French Headliners

[budanski]

“Did you know it only took Germany three days to conquer France in World War III? Thats because it was raining.” said John Xereas, manager of the DC Improv.

David Letterman: “France wants more evidence (of Iraqi violations). The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through France with a German flag.”

Dennis Miller: “The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq.”

Jay Leno: “I don’t know why people are surprised that France won’t help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France would’nt help us get the Germans out of France!”

Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.: “Do you know how many Frenchman it takes to defend Paris? It’s not known, it’s never been tried.”

Blunt again: “Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was being advertised on eBay the other day -- the description was: ‘Never shot. Dropped once.’”

And even! an unwitting French President Jacques Chirac: “As far as I’m concerned, war always means failure.”

[morlick]

budanski your first french lesson:
repeat after me!

Va te faire foutre=F u c k you!

[Kitsune]

Morlick... as a french you know that this jokes about the alleged incapability of the french military are bull****... Simply bear it with humor! ;)

[hood]

Well, the French will do what they want at this point. They're giving up fairly large economic gains after the invasion is over by not being part of the coalition. I just hope they don't try to pull a blame game after the fact and cry that they've been left out. The future Iraqi government will remember who was against helping them get rid of the current dictator. Unlike Afghanistan who needs all the help they can get, Iraq is sitting on a goldmine of oil. They won't have to scrounge for cash because the sanctions will be lifted.

[hood]

haha I just did a conversion in google.com's translator.

Va te faire foutre = Get stuffed

[FallenAngel]

rofl rofl rofl rofl

some good **** there man. I haven't laughed so hard in 3 days. :)

[hood]

you forgot one of the US congressmen calling them "cheese eating surrender monkies."

[morlick]

:D :D :D :D
It's fun because the somalian said the same thing about us army, but it was "hamburger heating surrender monkies"

[96B]

Somalia should be h-bombed repeatedly and turned into one giant putt-putt course. The lives lost during operation Gothic Searpant and other US operations in that area were disgraced by Clintons decision to pull out. Typical lack of testicular fortitude displayed by liberals...

[FallenAngel]

I agree with Semperfi. Liberals like wars when they win...but as soon as someone dies...oh no, can't loose public opinion! God forbid this country (which I have discovered is really ignorant about warfare in general) thinks we can win a war with no casualties.

Those Rangers, Delta and even the 10th mountain wanted to go back in there the same day they got pulled out. They wanted to level that entire section of the city and anyone in it. It's a crying shame that Clinton had no backbone what-so-****ing ever. (sorta like the French).

Same thing in Kosovo. For weeks on the news it was "US military hit this" "US military did that." "Oh ****...we lost a stealth fighter!....we must pull out!"

Of course...at least we have SOME backbone. Liberals are bad...but when was the last time we almost elected a facist? (Looks towards France)

[covert-one]

It's amazing the French even have a military, why??????????????????
To all you liberals take a look at this.Could you image if Gore/Lieberman were elected as President/Vice President - GOD help us all.
Remember,before Clinton's impeachment trial begin he drop a few bombs over Iraq w/ out UN permission,that was A-OK for the liberals, yet president Bush is rushing to war even though it's been over a year.

AMERICAN DISASTERS......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A little political review,
>>>>>>a time to think &remember...
>>>>>>From a Navy man...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and
>>>>>>injured 1,000;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>President Clinton promised that those responsible would be
>>>hunted
>>>>>>down and punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.
>>>>>>military personnel;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which
>>>>killed
>>>>>>19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which
>>>killed
>>>>>224
>>>>>>and injured 5,000;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible! would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and
>>>>injured
>>>>>>39 U.S. sailors;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000
>>>people
>>>>in
>>>>>>New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive
>>>>>>today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
>>>>>>This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are two men, both extremely wealthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That being the case, why was it that the Clinton Administration
>>>>>>spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the past eight
>>>>years
>>>>>>than Osama bin Laden?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>THINK ABOUT IT!
>>>>>>It is a strange turn of events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.
>>>>>>Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This from two people who have spent the past 8 years being
>>>unable
>>>>>to
>>>>>>recall anything about past events while under oath!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>Cmdr Hamilton McWhorter
>>>>>>USN(ret)

[fng]

Pointed commentary there covert-one. You're a sniper with that keyboard.
I read something in Newsweek the other day that made me laugh and I quote, "Going to war without France is like going deer-hunting without an accordion."
:P

[Apogee]

yeah, that was Secretary of Defence (aka War) Rumsfeld. Hes got a way with words.

[morlick]

Hum! I think that the accordion are a dangerous weapon (for the ears). :)

[...]

In 1966 upon being told that Charles DeGaulle had taken France out of NATO and that all U.S. Troops must be evacuated off of French soil President Lyndon Johnson told Secretary of State Dean Rusk:

Ask him about the cemeteries Dean!

So at end of the meeting Dean did ask DeGaulle if his order to remove all U.S. troops from French soil also included the 60,000+ soldier buried in France from World War I and World War II.

DeGaulle never answered.

[Lskiv]

:cantbeli:

First Could i asked all of us who is or has been a LE or Soldier, Marines or Sailor ?

Second Who have already meet French People ? Or know what they think right now on Saddham ?

Third who has been in Ops in a foreign Country ?

Who got in real Ops in a Hostile Country ? and see a dead in combat, sheld or ethnic cleaning ?

Who believe that some people or LE or Military think same as their politician ?

Who remind the size of US ARMED FORCES in 1917, 1939 ? Way VN War work , Grenada Ops, Beyrouth 1983...

Who remind the combat report of France Blietzkrieg in 1940 ? and German Plan ? of German Military Industries and rest of the world one ?

Do you think that a politician take the right decision when buying MILITARY kit or ordering war, his who for most have not done one WAR or send a son to fight, easy to play with other guts or boll.cks ?

Do USA have an Hostile Army on their ground, or bombing their town, ruling the states ? Have to do underground war, guerilla in their own homeland a way that hostile forces called it terrorism and you freedom fighter ? And that the only hope of being liberated during 4 years was a voice on clandestine radio ?

Who remind the French ops on Indochina (you know the name that Vietnam, Laos, Cambodge and Thailand have before French decided to live for decolonisation) or in Algeria ?

During Bosnia War under Blue Helmet do you have heard about US TROOPS chasing the "evil" ? GOT YOU 93 DEAD AND 200 WOUNDED WITHOUT BEING ALLOWED TO SHOT ?

Do you have till at least 1993 Algerian Terrorist attack on their ground, blowing Shop, Subway or Mal as French ?

Why Mr Rumsfeld shake Saddahm hand in 1983 to sale US Weapons caused at this time Iran was a better target and all enemies of my enemies are my friend ?

AND SO AND SO ON,

Gentlemen,
all remind what freedom cost,
all know money rules,
all know that folks could disagree with their politicians and agree with old closed friend,
all who have seen or remind by their own eyes the disaster of a war could understand that you would try everything else, before pulling the trigger, that make you not always a pacifist, just a human who want to think before killing another,
so drop **** is less effective than focused on real target,
have a peacefull and together future,
of course and do the thing that need to be done,
even if it is not politicaly correct, **** has to be clean
and thanks for those who did it for us,
hope that the cost will not be too high,
as collateral dommage,


is like list of dead in combat, none like it specialy when you are part of !

[fng]

In fairness to the French, Rep. Blunt's joke about the French not defending Paris makes a good joke but is not true. In WWI the French stopped the Germans before they reached Paris. Also in WWI the French practically bled there country white in fighting against the Germans. The French commanders have to be faulted for their incredable failure in sending one suicidal frontal attack after another against the German trenches but the French soldiers can't be faulted for their courage in having carried out those charges. American bookstores are filled with books recounting the bravery of the American fightingman and the stupidity of American commanders in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. which has lead to one defeat or another in battle and in war.

[Kitsune]

Yeah, there is truth to this !

[morlick]

Yeah, there is truth to this !

exact!

[...]

Seriously, though did you hear about how the new Frech Navy is buying glass bottom boats?

[hood]

ok, i'll bite, why are the french buying glass bottom boats? break glass in case war breaks out? I think it's fine that France doesn't want to participate in the Iraq superbowl. I just wish they'd be honest about their reasons for doing it and not come out with stuff like their grand imperial army of inspectors that everyone laughs at for it's rediculousness. It's been said time and again that the inspectors aren't there to be detectives, but to destroy what Iraq declares. Why exactly would more inspectors change the situation at all if they're not supposed to be detectives? Too many lies...

[...]

So they can see the old French Navy.

[96B]

LMAO rofl

[covert-one]

It's amazing how so many countries if not all , except Canada and England look down on the USA.Lets face it, who helped all these countries in their dire times?Who rebuilt France?Why is America looked upon as EVIL? How many irish people have been killed over the countless bloodshed in N.ireland due to the British being there?How many Vietnamese died in the Indochina war because of France wanting to rule there?France, your so liberal why don't you give back every country you have your paws in to who it really belongs to?
America rules America and Puerti Rico - compared to France, they actually beat us.But were terrorist,were evil.
Drink more wine,smoke more and continue hugging.I think we should boycott anything French,then when there economy tanks,they'll come crying to who, thats right, the great U.S.A. Like always.

[Ichhabe]

When I saw that picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, I thought to myself... "Dear God, I hoped he washed his hands afterwards...." Saddam I mean... That Rumsfeld dude... I dont trust him further than I can throw him.

[Kitsune]

Well, I suppose so. Saddam is known for his near-manic cleanliness.

[hood]

I can see Saddam in the shower, scrubbing his skin until it bleeds with soap while gently rocking back and forth saying "still not clean... still not clean... must get clean..."

[Kitsune]

@covert-one:
Why many nations regard the US as evil these days?
I think that is why:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Bet You wouldn't like it either if you weren't american. p-)

[hood]

Since this thread was started with attempted humor, I'll post another one, although this isn't aimed at the French...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80304,00.html

[Kitsune]

"Curse be upon your mustache!" rofl

[fng]

kitsune, your link wasn't to an official U.S. gov. document but to the wishful musings of a thinktank. I guess my point is don't assume this document represents U.S. policy. My personal thought on all this is we can either take the lead in the world and try to make it a better place or take an isolationist stance and let genocide reign. (By "take the lead" I don't mean "take over" the world.) I think we should stay out of other countries business unless it effects U.S. security interests. In the case of Iraq, Saddam is going to release a weapon of mass destruction on U.S. soil if we don't do something about him now. The UN won't/can't do anything to protect us and it never will.

[Kitsune]

Yeah...but the schoolof thought adhering to this think tanks ide (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney among others) is now in power. You could see the ideas of this think tank implemented for some time now.
In Europe (including G.Britain) the aggressiveness of these plans disturbed many people... not so much on the streets, but in government and military circles. Note also please, that this strategy includes US world dominance and the idea to prevent an rival from rising. This is directed not only against China but also against Europe. And since the driving forces behind the european unification process are France and Germany...
Well it may be just coincidence, but they are opposing the USA right now. Along with China and Russia (the ex- and future rival).

In fact this paper, its implementation and the perception of this abroad may very well be the answers to the questions: "What is really behind this Iraq-crisis ?" and "Why do France and Germany oppose us the way they do?"

[JiJoMacLE45]

If the US wanted world dominance we world have kept open our military bases in Panama and the Philippines, rolled our tanks through the streets of Baghdad in 1991, made Germany, Japan, and Italy US territories following World War II, left our soldiers in northern Africa and France and made them American colonies, invaded Haiti and Cuba, and so forth and so on. We have had our chances for world domination and never acted on them because that is not our goal. We want to feel safe. We want our threats, and the threats of our allies, eliminated. Period.

[budanski]

Did you hear this one?

Today, France banned the fireworks display at EuroDisney. When the EuroDisney park set off fireworks each night, a local French garrison and half of France surrendered!!

[Ichhabe]

Thought there had to be som balance. So here is an American joke : ) Enjoy!

George W. Bush is visiting a high school, and attend in a class so the pupils can ask him questions. As the good sport he his, he says "Ask any questions you want!". A guy named Bobby raises his hand, and says "Mr. President. I have three questions. 1) How could you win the elections when Al Gore had more votes than you? 2) Why wount you admit that the comming war against Iraq is about oil? And 3) Why havent the US Forces been able to capture Osama bin Laden? Suddenly the scool bell rings and all the pupils rush out for their break. 15 minutes later they return, and the President is still in the class room. Anybody can ask questions he says. One pupil raises his hand and says "Mr. President. I have five questions for you. 1) How could you win the elections when Al Gore had more votes than you? 2) Why wount you admit that the comming war against Iraq is about oil? 3) Why havent the US Forces been able to capture Osama bin Laden? 4)Why did the school bell ring 15 minutes premature, and 5) Where is Bobby?

[covert-one]

Lets see, who saved France in WWII?Who saved Germany in WWII?Don't you think if we wanted world dominance we would of made these countries the property of the USA?Like I stated earlier, how many countries does France rule compared to the USA, who wants world dominance?France tried to occupy Diego Garcia until a fight broke out & they lost again.France and Germany want to be world superpowers and w/ the threat of the US attacking Iraq and them having billions of trade going on, they will loose that.It's all fear of not being on par with the great USA.

Just think about the various claims of the war protesters:

"It's about oil." Makes no sense. If it were about oil, we'd have Robert Zoellick, the U.S. Trade Representative, in Baghdad right now negotiating a deal with Saddam Hussein. It would be far cheaper – in terms of money and lives – to bribe him to undermine the world oil market than to go to war with him for oil.


"It's about imperialism." Easily disproved. Just take a look at Kuwait, most of Europe (including France), South Korea, Grenada, Panama, and any number of other countries. As I recall, the U.S. was involved in battles for freedom in all of these places and they have all maintained their national sovereignty … precisely because of our involvement.


"It's about Israel." No chance, although it does point up the unfortunate nexus between the various Israel-haters and the anti-war movement. Never mind that Israel, alone among the states of the Middle East, embraces the democracy the anti-war protestors pretend to hold so dear. Never mind that Israel, which sustained missile attacks from Iraq in the Gulf War and probably will be bombed again, has more to lose than any country – even the United States and Iraq – should war break out.


Or that old standby, "It's about the United Nations and building multilateral support and the fact that inspections are working." They're working? Really? Then, where are the 25,000 liters of anthrax? The 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin? The 500 tons of mustard, sarin and VX nerve gas? The 30,000 medium- and long-range missiles? We know Iraq had these weapons capable of killing millions of people. We know Iraq was supposed account for them. We know this hasn't happened. The process the United Nations has imposed has failed us, and if our friends in France and Russia can't appreciate the life-or-death nature of this struggle, then we go without them.


Which leaves, "Going to war would compromise our moral position in the world." This is the line promoted by Not In Our Name, the anti-war group funded by some of our more politically minded movie stars, among others, and sketched out in the organization's "statements of conscience" manifestos published as ads in the New York Times.
Those manifestos equate the horror of the Sept. 11 attacks to the United States removing Manuel Noriega (who had turned Panama into a narcotics cartel that preyed on America's youth) to our standing up to communist imperialism in Vietnam and to our refusal to let Iraq conquer another sovereign nation – Kuwait – in 1991. We "earned" the enmity of Osama bin Laden and his foot soldiers with our arrogance, they say. We "deserved" what we got.

And now? "We won't stand by and let our government commit horrendous acts around the world," said oh-so-sanctimonious Not In Our Name spokesman Miles Solay on "The O'Reilly Factor" TV program recently. "We're holding responsible our government for perpetrating violence." Well, by his "logic," you can hold me responsible for the assassination of JFK. I was 2 years old and nowhere near Dallas that day, but such details don't seem to matter when Solay and his ilk are doling out blame. And I seem to remember the Kuwaitis celebrating and thanking us profusely when we liberated them in 1991.

It's not that there are no meaningful arguments against going to war. And it's not that there are no principled people in the anti-war movement. A few seem genuinely distressed about the unarguable fact that if war begins, innocent people on both sides will die. However, the vast majority of the vocal "anti-war" protestors (i.e., Mike Farrell, Janeane Garafalo, Martin Sheen) use arguments that are less rooted in principle and more rooted in finding a reason to rip President Bush and make themselves look smart.

In general, I hate war. But I hate more the fact that there is a madman in power who tortures children, cuts out the tongues of those who speak against him, commits mass-murder against ethnic groups, uses his own people as guinea pigs in chemical weapons trials, violates peace treaties, condones the torture of Olympians who don't do well, brutalizes and murders family members, and stockpiles enough chemical and biological weapons to obliterate millions of innocent people.

No, it's not about oil, it's not about imperialism, et al. It's about saving lives, freeing an oppressed people and ridding the world of another Hitler.

[morlick]

Hey Budansky you know that in Somalia fireworks are also banned. It's frightened us "elite" troops.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Somalia is also a friggin war zone Morlick.

[FallenAngel]

You can by an AK for less than $50 USD in Somalia I hear. RPGs, Machine guns, grenades, technicals, etc etc. .... fireworks aren't the problem in Somalia. ;)

[Smoothie104]

The french sent 6 Mirage Fighters to help bomb Taliban and Al Qaeda forcers in Afghanistan after 9-11. They don't think the Attack on Iraq is justified, but that doesnt mean they are complete wussies... Wussies yes, but not complete.

[budanski]

yet more headliners:

"I* just love the French. They taste like chicken!" :Hannibal Lecter

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." :General George S. Patton

An old saying:

Raise your right hand if you like the French....
Raise both hands if you are French.

http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/pubimage.gif

http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/France.jpg

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Q: Why are there so many tree-lined boulevards in France?

A: Germans like to march in the shade.

Q: Then why are the French chopping down the trees now?

A: The Arabs like to march in the sun.

[morlick]

Rigolo Inside

http://perso.club-internet.fr/borgies/fakes/fake_internat/images/Bush&Blaireau.jpg

http://perso.club-internet.fr/borgies/fakes/fake_internat/images/Sad-Wars_episode_II_2.jpg

http://perso.club-internet.fr/borgies/fakes/fake_internat/images/hussein_is_spock.jpg

http://perso.club-internet.fr/borgies/fakes/fake_internat/images/peine_men.jpg

[budanski]

http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/french_knife.gif


http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/SaddamChirac2.JPG
more than just friends


http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/MrHand.jpg


http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/Retriever.jpg


http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/frdiplomacy590.jpg


http://www.victoryvillage.com/STINKS/irankissparis.jpg

[morlick]

Hum, i like this rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
(real pictures)
http://www.colvir.net/prof/guy.falardeau/index/bushbook.jpg
http://www.colvir.net/prof/guy.falardeau/index/bush_lunette.jpg

[...]

http://braden.weblogs.com/2003/02/11


The History of Majestic French Military Victories
So the French still aren't on board with us spanking Iraq. Oh boo hoo. Let's take a look at the mighty French military prowess, shall we?
Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare: "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians. Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War - Tied

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.

Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare: "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France surrenders?"

[David]

in response to that picture of bush with the binoculars that have the lens caps still on, my brothers a marine and he said that they actually have tiny holes in the caps so that not as much light will be able to get in and so they will be able to see longer distances. i had never heard of that but it sounds like it could be true, so i guess everyone that makes fun of bush for that is an ignorant bastard.

[morlick]

Many of this particular text that you can read on "Braden files" are bull**** mister ...

hood make a google translation of this on a old post "Bush's anti-terror crap"

Tout d’abord la guerre de cent ans n’a JAMAIS été perdue par la France, les français via Charles VII récupère la Normandie en 1450, puis la Guyenne en 1453, après la victoire de Castillon.
http://www.bnf.fr/enluminures/texte/tx2_02.htm

-« Italian War : Lost » (ha ha ha ! False, FAUX!!!!) Quelle guerre d’Italie ?
http://www.renaissance-amboise.com/dossier_renaissance/ses_evenements/guerres/guerre_italie.htm

« Le 10 juillet 1499, Louis XII arrive à Lyon. De là, une avant-garde rejoint l'Italie le 18 juillet. En août, les villes détenues par Ludovic Sforza tombent une à une (…) avril 1509, Louis XII attaque la ville lacustre. Les vénitiens sont battus à Agnadel par Bayard et ses soldats. (…)11 avril 1512 à Ravenne l’armée française bat la coalition regroupant Venise, l'Espagne,le Saint-Siège, Henry VIII et les suisses (…)François 1er arrive à Lyon avec une armée de quarante mille hommes. Il franchit les Alpes et prend Turin ainsi que Novare. Il bat les suisses à Marignan le 14 septembre 1515 (…) »


A cette époque la France se bat contre Charle Quint, l’Italie, La suisse, le Vatican, l’Espagne…, Je termine pour dire que la Savoie était Italienne, elle est désormais Française.

-« Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots” Et oui mais ici c’est en partie des huguenots de Nouvelle France (Protestants Français) qui s’allie avec les anglais et certains iront même plus loin ;« Le huguenot le plus connu en l'occurrence, Jean-Louis Ligonier, allait devenir commandant général de l'Armée britannique durant la guerre de Sept ans »

-« * Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded” (ha ha ha False, Faux, Fauxxxx!!!”

Les Français repoussent d’abord les Espagnoles en 1636, Condé mit par ailleurs en déroute l'armée espagnole à Rocroi, le 18 mai 1643, Le 3 août 1645, les généraux français remportèrent la bataille de Nördlingen sur l'armée austro-bavaroise, Puis commencent le siege de Munich.

http://perso.club-internet.fr/dazio/Histoire/Histoire_Guerre-de-Trente-Ans.htm

-« War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.” ha ha ha !!
L’armée de Louis XIV occupe Lille et les Pays-Bas Espagnole, l’armée française annexe Lille, Tournai, Douai, Armentières et quelques dépendances.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/herodote/histoire05022.htm

- * American Revolution : Contrairement à ce que tu croit, ce n’est pas les américains qui ont aidé les français a prendre leur indépendance mais l’inverse !

-*War in Indochina - Lost. Yes ! like Americans few years later in same country.

- * Algerian Rebellion – Lost. Pas tout a fait, l’algerie a été abandonnée par les politique. Durant la bataille d’Alger les Parachutiste Français on fait prisonnier la plupart des cadres rebelles algériens (FLN) Ceci en quelque jours.

- *The key word in the French Foreign Legion is 'Foreign'. Sure about a third of its members are French who join as Belgians, Swiss, etc, but the idea behind it was to recruit Foreign soldiers to fight for the French flag. ; Oui mais ces hommes sont formés par des français.

-*As far as Napolean, even though he led the French, he was Corsican, not French. La Corse est Française. C’est aussi idiot de dire ;It’s like SAM HUSTON, he was TEXAN not American.! (d’ailleurs, si mes souvenirs sont bons Sam s’est fait battre par les mexicains, non ?).

[FallenAngel]

The french sent 6 Mirage Fighters to help bomb Taliban and Al Qaeda forcers in Afghanistan after 9-11. They don't think the Attack on Iraq is justified, but that doesnt mean they are complete wussies... Wussies yes, but not complete.

Oh..of course not. How could you be a complete wussie if you send your entire airforce to a help destroy another country like that? :D

[covert-one]

Foiling Franco-German Folly
March 6, 2003 | |

According to French President Jacques Chirac, the United States is little more than a bully on the world stage, determined to intimidate all who fail to see the need to disarm Saddam Hussein. But we have nothing on Chirac, who can bully with the best of them when things don’t go his way.

Consider how he’s using the pro-American sentiments voiced by certain European nations as an excuse to oppose their entry into the European Union. Bulgaria, Romania, Estonia and Albania, among others, are being “childish” and “dangerous,” Chirac has said, warning that they had “missed a great opportunity to shut up” and had jeopardized their chances of entering Europe’s richest club.

The result has been a huge backlash across Europe against French arrogance, and increasing isolation for the position of Paris and Berlin on the Iraq question. They are being outflanked by the “New Europe” led by Britain, Italy, Spain and Poland, whose determination to end decades of French-German domination prompted them to submit an op-ed to The Wall Street Journal on Jan. 30, signed by five other European nations, praising U.S. “bravery, generosity and farsightedness” and warning that the transatlantic relationship “must not become a casualty of the current Iraqi regime’s persistent attempts to threaten world security.”

So far, France and Germany aren’t budging. Indeed, they are expected to present their own long-term plan for Iraqi disarmament to the U.N. Security Council: triple the number of weapons inspectors in Iraq, establish a no-fly zone over the whole country, and deploy thousands of U.N. peacekeepers.

While the United States and Great Britain are certain to reject this proposal, Baghdad would welcome it with open arms. Iraq knows full well that a force of European peacekeepers sent into Iraq while hundreds of thousands of Allied troops mass on its borders would become the military equivalent of the hapless human shields currently making their way from London to Baghdad by red double-decker bus to show “solidarity” with the Iraqi regime.

So why make such a proposal? Perhaps because both France and Germany would be greatly embarrassed by the contents of the Iraqi regime’s voluminous archives, should they be opened after Iraq’s liberation. More than 80 German companies (which Baghdad named in its weapons report to the United Nations) helped build Iraq’s weapons program. And French arms sales and military expertise have played a critical role in developing Iraq’s military machine over the past 20 years.

The prospect of such a revelation may be the reason the Franco-German proposal is riddled with hypocrisy. For years both nations have refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Northern and Southern no-fly zones. Yet now they call for these zones to cover the whole of Iraq. Paris and Berlin have long condemned the idea of a post-war U.S.-led occupation force in Iraq as an imperial adventure, yet now call for a neo-colonial French-led “peacekeeping” operation.

The fact that French and German strategists would even consider advancing such a proposal reveals the extent to which the leaders of these two nations have lost touch with reality. Both nations have shamelessly appeased the Iraqi regime for decades, barely breathing a whiff of criticism of the medieval barbarity of Saddam’s rule.

To a large extent, their proposal is a knee-jerk reaction to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s observation that France and Germany represent “Old Europe.” The French and the Germans were incensed by Rumsfeld’s remarks, not so much because they were insulting, but because they’re true. Rumsfeld uttered a simple fact: Paris and Berlin no longer carry the weight they once did in international affairs -- that they’re fading powers on the world stage with little real influence.

So France and Germany are reduced to denying the obvious: That the people of Iraq will be liberated by a large, broad-based international coalition. The concept of America having to “go it alone” in Iraq is an illusion conjured by the shrinking number of opponents to military action. At least 18 European allies will actively support the United States. The tide is beginning to turn against “Old Europe,” and a new Europe, pro-American in outlook and led by Great Britain, is starting to emerge.

Paris and Berlin face a stark choice in the weeks ahead. They can either oppose military action against Iraq, consigning the U.N. Security Council to a position of total irrelevance on the international stage, or they can join in what will be one of the biggest alliances ever assembled to remove a brutal dictatorship from power.


Nile Gardiner is Visiting Fellow in Anglo-American Security Policy at The Heritage Foundation (www.heritage.org).