View Full Version : where is bin laden and why can't we get him?
warchild1/27scout
08-31-2003, 10:31 AM
i don't know if anybody has done thread on this but i'd like to get some ideas from you guys because i know alot of guys here know thier ****.
Vance
08-31-2003, 10:36 AM
Is he even alive, that's the question. We haven't heard anything from him in awhile
warchild1/27scout
08-31-2003, 10:42 AM
i don't know but if he is hiding out in the northwest pakistan i don't care if the muslims would get mad or not i would search every goddamn hooch and every little crevice to get that sumbitch.
Trident-za
08-31-2003, 11:15 AM
Good question. And here's another one: where is Saddam?
I think it's safe to say that both these guys (if alive) cannot get up to as much "mischief" as before, but still....
NcDeuce
08-31-2003, 12:31 PM
Joint-operation groups such as TF-20, comprised of D-boys, SEALS, Rangers, some Air Force, and 160th SOAR are on the hunt. Even if we're not allowed to be in Pakistan...I'm sure our Spec Ops dudes have been going in and out of it quite frequently.
We will eventually find them.
I think it is a good bet that Bin Laden is near the Pakistani-Afghani border somewhere in the northern area. It is also a good bet that Pakistan is not being very persistent in finding him just yet because they are enjoying our economic and other aid in the meantime. Once we get rid of Al Qaeda/Taliban in that region we will likely not remain in country for too long thereafter. With that said, it will take a very long time to root out all of the remnants of the regime and the terrorists from the mountain hideouts and the various other locations.
hell with a underground network and friends in every surrounding country and with a severe home advantage and rsources built up over how many years id think bin laden has a chance? i dont think our ****ty electronic intelligence will cough up anything and our HUMINT might but is not well established and alot of it is 2nd hand or questionable. its like all those IRA that simply vanished or vanished and were caught years later out of pure luck or them finally getting sloppy. its simply a game of luck and ****. im sure the current administration would love to have thier heads on thier political platter but that may not be in the books. if i were binladen id have gotten the **** out right away and be chillin with saddam in the swiss alps right now.
Seiyuuki
08-31-2003, 02:26 PM
What I wonder is...Israelis' intelligence have always been so damn good at finding these terrorists' leaders and so forth, granted Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are much bigger than the area the Mossad work in regularly, do you think they've been helping us covertly in anyway?
Though the problem is if we go after bin Laden and Saddam and they somehow die in a firefight or something, the Middle East will have two more martyrs dying in a blaze of glory, not exactly good P.R. for us.
Argyll
08-31-2003, 02:45 PM
SOG,
These IRA guys din't vanish at all,they went into the republic,where they could not be extradited back to the North,again some went to the states where sympathetic Politicians refused the extradition to the UK also.
Back To OBL,if reports about him needing kidney dialysis are true,then the chances are he did indeed die,in the Tora Bora complex,as any Doctor will tell you that without such treatment the renal(?)organs will fail and death is almost a certainty,I ain't a Dr so I'll leave this one to the experts.
The easiest way to stick the fingers up to the huge US Operation to Kill/Capture him is to be photographed reading current newspaers,and that discredits a lot of things,and it also lets his lunatic followers know that he is still the Top dog within that orginisation!
The same goes for SH,how can we be certain he's not the guest of Mr Putin,or Mr Assad,or Mr Ghaddafi,and that it is his alleged body doubles that were forever being mentioned by Intelligence Agencies,that are still unable to be found inside Iraq.
perhaps the 2 of them are taking in the aromatic smells of Paris in the summer?
ilxAudrey
08-31-2003, 02:50 PM
It tooks us five years to find Eric Rudolph, and he was just a lone nut with very little support hiding in the wilderness.
Argyll
08-31-2003, 02:57 PM
And were still searching for the Arc of the Covenant
and the missing link
and the secret ingredient of Coca Cola
Seiyuuki
08-31-2003, 03:35 PM
and the secret ingredient of Coca Cola
Cocaine??? :lol: Well, that was the past.
Rambo
08-31-2003, 03:49 PM
We can find him, but we don`t want it. If he is alive we can still fight against "terrorists".
Argyll
08-31-2003, 03:50 PM
He He,it must be something else that sends my 4 year old daughter nuts then!!!!
spier
08-31-2003, 06:05 PM
A bit strange all this. The US goverment says it has got undisputable evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks, yet they won't show their evidence to anybody, not even their allies. Oh well, I guess the Goverment is trustworthy, just ask the Indians..
Seiyuuki
08-31-2003, 06:18 PM
Oh well, I guess the Swiss's Goverment is trustworthy, just ask the African slaves and Nazis.
Ratamacue
08-31-2003, 06:19 PM
Spier: remember that tape that was aired all over the news of Bin Laden and some of his top guys talking about how the effects of the attack were greater than they expected? No?
ScopeScene
08-31-2003, 06:29 PM
The New Yorker ran an excellent piece last month on the hunt and some alarming details of how the Iraqi war drew away certain resources from the pursuit notably AWACS and intel aircraft made famous by "Killing Pablo" by Mark Bowden and the Army's Centra Spike. Undoubtedley we still have assets in the area, but the article made u really examine priorities -- how much was Hussein worth? Pale in comparison to Al Qaeda's chief wizard, right? I'm sure this will stir debate, but we can't forget our original goals in the war on terror one of which was Bin Laden!
usa320
08-31-2003, 08:00 PM
AWACS is usless when it comes to finding individuals on the ground... AWACS is used for detecting and tracking airborne targets.
JSTARS, UAV's and MC-130's are more useful at finding ground units.
We will find the son of a bitch...and hopefully we dont capture him. Hopefully we lock him in a building on drop a JDAM on it. :bash:
Of course, he may be dead... Again, if he wanted to prove to his insane followers he was still alive, all that would be needed is a photo of him holding today's paper.
As for their not being enough evidence, what more is needed. There is a money trail, a trail of support, the names, the letters, the videos, the whitnesses at Gitmo, the statements. He ADMITTED himself he did it... not once did he deny it... What more evidence is needed...a photo of Bin Laden himself at the controls of AA77? Oh no, wait, that would be photoshopped bull**** made by the evil CIA.
:roll:
People who still think Bin Laden wasnt responsible for 9-11 either havent read the news in 3 years, or are just complete and utter ignoramuses.
usa320
08-31-2003, 08:02 PM
We can find him, but we don`t want it. If he is alive we can still fight against "terrorists
Because they arent terrorists right?
:roll:
And dont say we, because 99%, if not 100% of Americans want that bastard found, dead or alive. Its more like "I dont want it so i can push my leftist bull**** on everyone".
:roll:
SOG,
These IRA guys din't vanish at all,they went into the republic,where they could not be extradited back to the North,again some went to the states where sympathetic Politicians refused the extradition to the UK also.
actually MANY vanished and im not talking ireland wanting them im talking british intelligence wanting them dead on arival. if any IRA on the brits list popped up over night they would be "popped" the next night. casing petty crime ira that ireland wants i couldnt give a **** about. terrorist is a terrorist anywhere anytime, just ask the gsg9. they make a list and if your on it your ass is grass.
extradition. lol, to the afterlife.
StarvingStudent47
09-01-2003, 03:29 AM
A bit strange all this. The US goverment says it has got undisputable evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks, yet they won't show their evidence to anybody, not even their allies. Oh well, I guess the Goverment is trustworthy, just ask the Indians..
1) Osama Bin Laden has made statements that clearly imply his guilt in the 9/11 attacks in several of the tapes he has publicly released. I mean, if Bush said "StarvingStudent47 was the mastermind of 9/11," I'd say something like "No I wasn't!" instead of hiding in a cave and saying "Haha! I will strike again and again and bring down the American-Imperialist-Zionist machine!" I mean, when innocent people are framed, they generally try denying their guilt...
2) If al-Qaeda didn't do it, who did? Are you like Mel Gibson's father, who believes that Jews used remote-controlled aircraft to bring down the WTC? Or maybe it was Columbians, protesting American purchasing of non-fair-trade coffee beans!
StarvingStudent47
09-01-2003, 03:32 AM
SOG,
These IRA guys din't vanish at all,they went into the republic,where they could not be extradited back to the North,again some went to the states where sympathetic Politicians refused the extradition to the UK also.
actually MANY vanished and im not talking ireland wanting them im talking british intelligence wanting them dead on arival. if any IRA on the brits list popped up over night they would be "popped" the next night. casing petty crime ira that ireland wants i couldnt give a **** about. terrorist is a terrorist anywhere anytime, just ask the gsg9. they make a list and if your on it your ass is grass.
extradition. lol, to the afterlife.
I'll bet a bunch snuck themselves over to Boston and assumed new identities. I spent the past 4 years living in a blue-collar Irish neighborhood of Boston. And lemme tell you, I loved the people there and Boston-Irish culture (note my sig), but many of them were waaaaay too sympathetic to IRA terrorism...
Mortimer
09-01-2003, 04:09 AM
Has anyone tried GWB's Texas Ranch?
just a thought.....
well in case u remembered bin laden's vide's and his 'testimony' only came AFTER the US wanted to go to war with afghanistan to go get him...i mean, if u'r sure some1 is gonna start a war over something, wudnt u take credit for something u hadnt done but loved to have done?!
and, we're indeed still waiting for our evidence...cus we haven't seen ****
andrew45c
09-01-2003, 10:09 AM
There was an article in the Times that said a group of SBS soldiers had actually seen Osama bin laden and had him targeted and where ready to move in but had to wait for the americans to give them authority to engage and by the time they had finished faffing about bin had slipped away. Just something I read dont bite my head off.
spier
09-01-2003, 10:17 AM
A bit strange all this. The US goverment says it has got undisputable evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks, yet they won't show their evidence to anybody, not even their allies. Oh well, I guess the Goverment is trustworthy, just ask the Indians..
1) Osama Bin Laden has made statements that clearly imply his guilt in the 9/11 attacks in several of the tapes he has publicly released. I mean, if Bush said "StarvingStudent47 was the mastermind of 9/11," I'd say something like "No I wasn't!" instead of hiding in a cave and saying "Haha! I will strike again and again and bring down the American-Imperialist-Zionist machine!" I mean, when innocent people are framed, they generally try denying their guilt...
2) If al-Qaeda didn't do it, who did? Are you like Mel Gibson's father, who believes that Jews used remote-controlled aircraft to bring down the WTC? Or maybe it was Columbians, protesting American purchasing of non-fair-trade coffee beans!If you had been paying attention then you might have noticed that he denied being involved and went on about it being an act of "Allah".
As for who did it, then I do not know. All I know is that the US haven't presented any solid evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks. Which leads me to my next question: Does "innocent until proven guilty" still mean anything over there? :roll:
warchild1/27scout
09-01-2003, 12:20 PM
did you guys not see the freakin list of nationalities of the hijackers! who else led a group of psycho saudi muslims to fly jets into freakin buildings. i dont think it was the fukin dali lama. that's kinda a no brainer. some of you guys need to get your head out of your asses. some of these guys on here are so anti-american they they let a blanket be thrown over thier heads. they think america and george bush are dumb and they have a guy out thier that does'nt just want to kill americans but if they were standing in front of bin laden he'd cut thier freakin balls off and shove them down thier nieve infidel throats. have a nice day :D
Chet Mystery
09-01-2003, 12:28 PM
AWACS is usless when it comes to finding individuals on the ground... AWACS is used for detecting and tracking airborne targets.
The Combat Controlers on the ground utilized AWACS to track and manipulate many aircraft at once doing bomb runs on enemy positions on the ground. You can read all about it in the last 2 SOF magazines :P
spier
09-01-2003, 12:43 PM
did you guys not see the freakin list of nationalities of the hijackers! who else led a group of psycho saudi muslims to fly jets into freakin buildings. i dont think it was the fukin dali lama. that's kinda a no brainer. some of you guys need to get your head out of your asses. some of these guys on here are so anti-american they they let a blanket be thrown over thier heads. they think america and george bush are dumb and they have a guy out thier that does'nt just want to kill americans but if they were standing in front of bin laden he'd cut thier freakin balls off and shove them down thier nieve infidel throats. have a nice day :DI hate repeating myself. If you want to reply then answer my questions instead of trying to dance around them like the idiot you are.
All I know is that the US haven't presented any solid evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks. Which leads me to my next question: Does "innocent until proven guilty" still mean anything over there?
warchild1/27scout
09-01-2003, 12:50 PM
did you guys not see the freakin list of nationalities of the hijackers! who else led a group of psycho saudi muslims to fly jets into freakin buildings. i dont think it was the fukin dali lama. that's kinda a no brainer. some of you guys need to get your head out of your asses. some of these guys on here are so anti-american they they let a blanket be thrown over thier heads. they think america and george bush are dumb and they have a guy out thier that does'nt just want to kill americans but if they were standing in front of bin laden he'd cut thier freakin balls off and shove them down thier nieve infidel throats. have a nice day :DI hate repeating myself. If you want to reply then answer my questions instead of trying to dance around them like the idiot you are.
All I know is that the US haven't presented any solid evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks. Which leads me to my next question: Does "innocent until proven guilty" still mean anything over there? will he be guilty when you and your family are lying in a gutter blown to pieces and they take a shop vac to vacuum your nieve infidel guts up off the road.have a nice day and wake up loser. :D
Chet Mystery
09-01-2003, 12:54 PM
Does "innocent until proven guilty" still mean anything over there?
Last I checked, Osama isn't an American, or in America, so for him, the rule need not apply p-) [/quote]
spier
09-01-2003, 01:01 PM
will he be guilty when you and your family are lying in a gutter blown to pieces and they take a shop vac to vacuum your nieve infidel guts up off the road.have a nice day and wake up loser. :DStop wasting my time, either answer my questions or go away.
US of "F"ing A and if you don't like it you can kiss my bassYour right to call anyone a "loser" have been revoked due to the severe mental retardation, as the above quote prove, you suffer by.
usa320
09-01-2003, 04:17 PM
:roll:
did you guys not see the freakin list of nationalities of the hijackers! who else led a group of psycho saudi muslims to fly jets into freakin buildings. i dont think it was the fukin dali lama. that's kinda a no brainer. some of you guys need to get your head out of your asses. some of these guys on here are so anti-american they they let a blanket be thrown over thier heads. they think america and george bush are dumb and they have a guy out thier that does'nt just want to kill americans but if they were standing in front of bin laden he'd cut thier freakin balls off and shove them down thier nieve infidel throats. have a nice day :D
actually the fbi has rather recently admitted that they still arent sure of the identities of the hijackers...yes, there were hijackers for sure, but they still aren't 100% sure whether the 'assumed' hijackers were really the hijackers!
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