Well, do you Hate the Germans too?

[Rantanplan]

Ok, you don't like France.

But, What is Your Relationship to us Sauerkraut-eating, ***-crazed, David Hasselhoff loving, Nazis? ;)

[Ryan94]

David Hasselhof loving... oh my god... please! ;)

[Ratamacue]

...which once again proves my theory: Germans love David Hasselhoff!

[Fargin]

I hate german people, because I have a small ....! (http://duckcentral.com/uploads/RTEmagicC_duck1_04.jpg.jpg)

[Seiyuuki]

Germans are cool!!!

Like Patton said, he rather have the Germans in front of him than the French behind him.

[Rantanplan]

He is soooooo Cool ;)

http://www.tv1.com.au/img/db/programs/knightrider.jpg

[Seiyuuki]

ARGGG!!! My eyes...my eyes!!! IT BURN...IT BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[California Joe]

Pet my monkey.

[Vance]

I like the German language. A very 'overpowering' language, so to speak....

[usa320]

I dont mind the Germans.Some things they do annoy me, but for the most part they do good work.

[txajas]

I dont mind the Germans.Some things they do annoy me, but for the most part they do good work.

Oh jeez, I am sure we just heard a collective sigh of relief from the whole Germany after they passed your approval.... ;)

[Seiyuuki]

I can see the trend...

Future thread:

"Y u hate (insert country here)?"

[mocking_loudly]

Germans are very cool people, I have met a few in my line of work and their serious lack of humour is fantastic.

I.e. "You laugh at my newspaper, I would have invaded Poland for less!" - my very amusing German friend. rofl

[SOG]

germans rock. its none of this BS that the left speels "oh, fox news made me not like the french". please, keep searching your left nut for any excuse to get you off.

the germans rock, they kick serious ass, i do not like the fact that our governments are currently playing negative polictics with each other, they were insane to take on the world twice and bounce back, thier food rocks (sauasage and beer) and well, actually thier women scare me a bit. i also have similar opinions about russia except thier run and gun tactics and thier food quality wise scares me a bit more than ours. dito for thier women. both are hard asses. would be nice to have germany on our side for once in a core war.

and no im not bias because im half german. never been to germany and prolly never will. certain people conotate a certain image. russia and germany have simiar yet different images and both are very far from frances.

[usa320]

Indeed, when all the politics are all said and done, Germany is always still there... I wouldnt be shocked nor surprised if we saw German peacekeepers in Baghdad over this year...they did a HELL OF A JOB in Kabul.

[warchild1/27scout]

Ok, you don't like France.

But, What is Your Relationship to us Sauerkraut-eating, ***-crazed, David Hasselhoff loving, Nazis? ;) i ldid'nt mind the germans until you dropped in the haselhoff thing. geez now you suck. :D

[StarvingStudent47]

Nobody thought is was bigoted or belligerent when Monty Python made fun of Frenchpeople for a couple decades straight. Everyone laughed, maybe even the French, when those poncy guys in The Holy Grail shouted "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!" Yet if Americans make a single about "freedom fries" and "patriot bread waffles," we're being xenophobic. I don't get it.

I've been making fun of France since an evil French teacher in high school set out to single-handedly destroy two years of my life. It has very little to do with the war in Iraq.

So no, I bear no particular animosity towards Germany. We didn't see eye-to-eye on Iraq. That's too bad. But if you're looking for an anti-continental-European conspiracy, sorry to disapoint you, but you won't find one.

I will admit that I might make an occasional German joke, but I don't do it any more than the Monty Python guys do, so whatever. They can deal. I'm sure Berliners joke about Yankees from time to time too, and nobody jumps in to protect OUR sensitive feelings.

[Tellmesomething]

I disagree with the above and I have decided I dislike Germans. Freaky language with obscure insults that don't translate and what's up with the sausages with the red and yellow sauce over it? And the fries with the mayonnaise, that just ain't right. Two World Wars and one World Cup, I say, and boo sucks to you if you don't like it, etc etc. Who said they hated Germans 'as well'?

What has liking or disliking Germans got to do with anything anyway?

[Fioraon]

David Hasselhof loving... oh my god... please! ;)

Didn't he do a little gig on the wall when it was going down?

[budanski]

Is SaurKRAUT really better there?

We used to get alot of white label vinyls from Germany. Very Hard House stuff. Always felt like I was conjuring up the demon ...

[seventy6er]

and well, actually thier women scare me a bit.

:lol: Please explain that to me. I've heard that some americans think that German women don't shave their armpits and legs, but that's not true. Well, perhaps some won't - but only old grannies perhaps

[stuntman]

I don't like the fact that Germany is responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions of people and now some how it took 2 world wars and a tug of cold war to make them pacifist? It definitely means the end is upon us!
So I like Germany but I miss the will that the nazis (unfortunately) gave them.!
Now there a bunch of coat holders with Kool ass weapons.
:backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand: :bash: :bash: :bash: SCREW THE RULES!

[StarvingStudent47]

Oh, Rantanplan, here's my full perspective on Germany:

Ten utterly fantastic things about Germany:

1) Tom Twyker and Franka Potente. Thank you for Tom Twyker and Franka Potente. Lola Rennt kicks major arse. No joke. And Der Kreiger und Die Kaiserin was righteously awesome.

2) Oktoberfest. 'Nuff said.

3) BMW cars and motorcycles. Not the most affordable, but way cool.

4) Industrial music. A Frontline Assembly album can turn any happy day into an HR Giger painting. Is this a good thing? I say so.

5) Playing a major role in helping Jews escape the Commonwealth of Independent States (the former Soviet Union). Anti-Semitism has become a powerful force in Russia since the fall of the USSR, and even Jews who out-lasted the Communists are now deciding it's time to flee. Germany has taken in these refugees with open arms. As a matter of fact, in 2002, Jewish immigration from the CIS to Germany was larger than Jewish immigration from the CIS to Israel.

6) Helping take down Slobo. Kosovo is better off because the Luftwaffe helped Clinton's campaign against the Butcher of Belgrade.

7) Birkenstocks. Effing awesome sandals. Indestructible and comfortable.

8) German insults. They sound so mean! And they really rattled my high school French teacher when I yelled them at her.

9) Wiener dogs. Because EVERYTHING is more fun when you add a few wiener dogs to the mix.

10) A national cuisine focused around red meat instead of leafy greens or peanuts. So now when a girl accuses me of being uncultured and only eating American food, I can say "that ain't true! German food is great. Lemme go shoot an elk and show you what I mean."

And now, the bad things about Germany. I only have four of 'em, and you'll notice that Iraq isn't on the list, cause that's water under the bridge already:

1) That whole WWII thing wasn't so hot. Now you can't just erase something like that, but Germany has done all sorts of things in the past 50 years to try and help wounds heal and to prevent it from happening again (see #5 on the "good" list), and the son shall not inherit the sins of the father, so I'm ready to say "let bygones be bygones."

2) The new VW Bug. It should be named the VW WTF. Seriously. We rebuild your society after Hitler, protect you from Communists for half a century, and this is what we get in return? A flower vase in the dashboard? Man, it's things like this that make me think we shoulda just let the Red Army steamroll through Berlin.

3) Those ****o videos where people poop on each other. Those are uncalled for. No joke. Stop it.

4) The Scorpions:
http://www.the-scorpions.com/images/gallery/Love%20At%20First%20Sting%20Tour%201984-86/loveatfirststingtour5.jpg

You know, I knew this Israeli kid who learned English by listening to the Scorpions album Crazy World over and over again. Some things just aren't right. An Israeli learning English by listening to a German hair metal band is one of them.

[StarvingStudent47]

So I like Germany but I miss the will that the nazis (unfortunately) gave them.!
Now there a bunch of coat holders with Kool ass weapons.

Read the news again. Those "coat holders" have been doing an absolutely righteous job kicking ass and taking names in Afghanistan recently.

[KaraBenNemsi]

Why can't we all just get along ?

/me hugs you all :hug:


regards

KBN

[stuntman]

So I like Germany but I miss the will that the nazis (unfortunately) gave them.!
Now there a bunch of coat holders with Kool ass weapons.

Read the news again. Those "coat holders" have been doing an absolutely righteous job kicking ass and taking names in Afghanistan recently.
You call peace keeping kicking ass and taking names?
And werent they taken off of security detail because they failed to protect the vice president of the country they are kicking ass in?
And to StarvingStudent47

Ten utterly fantastic things about Germany:

1) Tom Twyker and Franka Potente. Thank you for Tom Twyker and Franka Potente. Lola Rennt kicks major arse. No joke. And Der Kreiger und Die Kaiserin was righteously awesome.

2) Oktoberfest. 'Nuff said.

3) BMW cars and motorcycles. Not the most affordable, but way cool.

4) Industrial music. A Frontline Assembly album can turn any happy day into an HR Giger painting. Is this a good thing? I say so.

5) Playing a major role in helping Jews escape the Commonwealth of Independent States (the former Soviet Union). Anti-Semitism has become a powerful force in Russia since the fall of the USSR, and even Jews who out-lasted the Communists are now deciding it's time to flee. Germany has taken in these refugees with open arms. As a matter of fact, in 2002, Jewish immigration from the CIS to Germany was larger than Jewish immigration from the CIS to Israel.

6) Helping take down Slobo. Kosovo is better off because the Luftwaffe helped Clinton's campaign against the Butcher of Belgrade.

7) Birkenstocks. Effing awesome sandals. Indestructible and comfortable.

8) German insults. They sound so mean! And they really rattled my high school French teacher when I yelled them at her.

9) Wiener dogs. Because EVERYTHING is more fun when you add a few wiener dogs to the mix.

10) A national cuisine focused around red meat instead of leafy greens or peanuts. So now when a girl accuses me of being uncultured and only eating American food, I can say "that ain't true! German food is great. Lemme go shoot an elk and show you what I mean."

And now, the bad things about Germany. I only have four of 'em, and you'll notice that Iraq isn't on the list, cause that's water under the bridge already:

1) That whole WWII thing wasn't so hot. Now you can't just erase something like that, but Germany has done all sorts of things in the past 50 years to try and help wounds heal and to prevent it from happening again (see #5 on the "good" list), and the son shall not inherit the sins of the father, so I'm ready to say "let bygones be bygones."

2) The new VW Bug. It should be named the VW WTF. Seriously. We rebuild your society after Hitler, protect you from Communists for half a century, and this is what we get in return? A flower vase in the dashboard? Man, it's things like this that make me think we shoulda just let the Red Army steamroll through Berlin.

3) Those ****o videos where people poop on each other. Those are uncalled for. No joke. Stop it.

4) The Scorpions:


You know, I knew this Israeli kid who learned English by listening to the Scorpions album Crazy World over and over again. Some things just aren't right. An Israeli learning English by listening to a German hair metal band is one of them.
The bug first of all is cool!
1st who the hell is Tom Twyker and Franka Potente?
2nd Oktoberfest, OK?
3rd BMW cars and motorcycles. Not the most affordable, but way cool AGREE!
4th Industrial music. A Frontline Assembly album can turn any happy day into an HR Giger painting. Is this a good thing? I say so" What the F#ck are you talkiing about? Please excuse my ignorance!
5th Playing a major role in helping Jews" You better! You ow them...
6th Helping take down Slobo. Kosovo is better off because the Luftwaffe helped Clinton's campaign against the Butcher of Belgrade./ WOE! Since when are you guys really responsible for more then holding him before his court date?
7th Birkenstocks. Effing awesome sandals. Indestructible and comfortable, Sandals are gay! But yeah they are good!
8th German insults. They sound so mean, although true they german also sounds like pig latin! plus german sounds like arabic backwards...
9th Wiener dogs?/ how about rocket tech or atom bomb?
10th "A national cuisine focused around red meat instead of leafy greens or peanuts."/ Agreed good diet, but please stop calling us (USA) unhealthy.

[Rantanplan]

Two World Wars and one World Cup, I say, and boo sucks to you if you don't like it, etc etc.

Hey !!!! We won Three World Cups!!!!!!!!! :bash:

http://www.springhill7.freeserve.co.uk/beckenbauer.jpg

[UoUo]

I don't hate them...but there history...haaaa.....there history are bad...

[Fargin]

2) The new VW Bug. It should be named the VW WTF.

Werd!!!

If I wanted a vase I'd sure as hell by a cheaper vase.

[mocking_loudly]

4) Industrial music. A Frontline Assembly album can turn any happy day into an HR Giger painting. Is this a good thing? I say so.

Frontline Assembly are not German.

Innovators of German Industrial music are traced back to the GABBA scene - please research PCP / Kotzaak.

Thank you.

[Shadow]

I don't hate them...but there history...haaaa.....there history are bad...

Well, we have an ass full of history.

Megaherz and Rammstein are german Industrial bands.
German Metal (Blind Guardian) rocks, too!

[UoUo]

[quote=UoUo]I don't hate them...but there history...haaaa.....there history are bad...

Well, we have an ass full of history.

Megaherz and Rammstein are german Industrial bands.
German Metal (Blind Guardian) rocks, too![/quote
]

I talked about WW1 and WW2.

[andrew45c]

Two World Wars and one World Cup, I say, and boo sucks to you if you don't like it, etc etc.

Hey !!!! We won Three World Cups!!!!!!!!! :bash:

http://www.springhill7.freeserve.co.uk/beckenbauer.jpg

Maybe Germany did win three world cups but we still won 2 world wars and I must bring up 5-1, 5-1, fiiivvveee onnnee, fivee-ooonneeeee!!!!!.

To any amricans that are baffled I am talking about Football (soccer)I dont know why im getting into this but why did the americans feel the need to call football the biggest and best sport in the world soccer even though it has existed for hundreds of years before american football (rugby with pads) was even dreamed of that really pisses me off.

Somebody tell me please why why?????

[Miles Teg]

Yes this is sure that their history is bad. I think they liked too much our country... Hum,hum sorry.
But now we live often with german people and they are correct (bad word, sorry for my bad english). Sure their allways very few people still follow nazis, but it's a very little minority.

We are together worrying about the "the duty of memories" : Never forget all the dead in death camp and soldiers who free them and us.

US people, when you went to france have you seen the Caen Memorial?

[Rantanplan]

5:1? Pah! What dosen't realy matter, because we kicked your Asses at Wembley before!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Dmitri]

Hey, isn't Briana Banks also from Germany?? :lol:

[DeltaWhisky58]

Militarily speaking - which after all is what this site is about - the Germans are about as good as it gets.

There is too much emphasis on WW1 & WW11 where tens of millions of Germans were led by crazed leadership, and in most cases blindly followed their leader.

Today, Germany has a well equipped, well motivated and highly professional Army, Navy and Air Force. They are, or damned well should be respected by their allies in NATO and elsewhere, and their recent performance in the former Youoslavia, and in ISAF Afghanistan has shown the world just how good they are.

There are few other nations worldwide with this level of capability, used for the right reasons - don't knock them.

[oldsoak]

I'd go with that. Had they joined the allies in GWII, they would have been fascinating to watch. It would have been interesting to watch if there had been a German Brigade ( a new Afrika Korps ? ) fighting alongside the allies. One suspects that given the quality of German engineering and their proverbial thoroughness, they would have had little problems with their kit. I do like Germans, ( excellent lager and wurst, ) and its about time we forgave the present generation the sins of their fathers.
rgds

[Shadow]

and well, actually thier women scare me a bit

Does Heidi Klum scare you?

[budanski]

The Krauts even beat out the Japs in ****** perversions. I'm sorry, getting defacated on and having *** with barn yard animals aint my cup of tea. :|

[seventy6er]

i don't think that this is typical for germany. you will find those flics in the US of A, too.

[budanski]

Yeah, cause a majority of those films are imported from Germany. How do I know? My old roommate used to work at one (24 hour video store) back in our college days.

[Rantanplan]

Well, I think most of this Movies come from the Neverlands

[Aussie2093]

Adding on to what DeltaWhiskey was saying..
The German military is and has always been a huge part of their culture. They are natural warriors, and their culture supports and encourages this. Nowhere in the world is the armed forces so significant in their society than in Germany (spare the Gurkhas in Nepal). And regardless of their past actions a military-oriented board like this one should respect their culture for this reason alone.

[Jacko]

From what I've seen, this board isn't really about respecting much of anybody for anything. ;)

[Kampfhamster]

I really don't hate them. Okay, just the german politicians.
Some of my friends are german.
They're really nice. Great country, even though the politicians are A**HOLES.

Their beer is great.

But their language sounds a little bit "formal" to me.

[b00n]

I like the German language. A very 'overpowering' language, so to speak....

Yeah and we shout all the time :D

[Ryan94]

Our politicans are A-holes... thats true...

And whats "formal" in the german language?

[b00n]

The Krauts even beat out the Japs in ****** perversions. I'm sorry, getting defacated on and having *** with barn yard animals aint my cup of tea. :|

All the weird **** comes from the Netherlands, blame them! :bash:

/ryan i guess he means "beamtensprache" ;)

[Beowulf]

I recently saw a great movie called Das Experiment, based upon a UCLA study of prisoner/guard interaction...really cool. The movie was great....

Also:
the Scorpions Rock me like a hurricane....
I worked with German SOF in the stan and they were pretty cool, mostly b/c they have beer....
The new bug is a chick car....
German food kicks much ass....
Pooping on people does not rock like a hurricane, unless you're Triumph the insult comic dog....
All For now
-b

[Kampfhamster]

@Ryan: ihr sprecht so "grammatikalisch korrekt".
Es gibt keine wirklichen Rechtschreiberegeln im Schweizerdeutsch, dadurch kommt es uns das Hochdeutsch so hochgestochen vor. :roll:

[Tellmesomething]

Yikes! Schwitzer Dutsch!

I've heard that Three World Cup thing, too. And I say again, Germans are all reprehensible bores with jackboots and no sense of humour. What, didn't you enjoy the 'Dirty Dozen'?

[StarvingStudent47]

Well, I think most of this Movies come from the Neverlands

We need a thread about whether or not "we" hate the Dutch!

(no, we really don't. Nobody start one of those, please... )

[DeltaWhisky58]

I love the Dutch...........

Budanski said


The Krauts even beat out the Japs in ****** perversions. I'm sorry, getting defacated on and having *** with barn yard animals aint my cup of tea.

Over twenty years as a Customs Officer and many ****o busts, I can tell you that virtually all the flicks of that type came from the LA area - OK, so the Cloggies make some too, but IMHO most of is in fact of US origin.

No doubt most of you guys get the ****o-related psams as well - also mostly US-origin.

Germany Rocks!

Roll on 12th October - holidays when I visit both Germany and Holland!

Militarily speaking, two of the best allies any nation can have or wish for - start a decent post..................

[Shadow]

@Ryan: ihr sprecht so "grammatikalisch korrekt".
Es gibt keine wirklichen Rechtschreiberegeln im Schweizerdeutsch, dadurch kommt es uns das Hochdeutsch so hochgestochen vor. :roll:

Pah komm mal zu uns in die Pfalz! Ich kenn keinen der richtig Hochdeutsch spricht außer vielleicht in Norddeutschland so Hannover aber die könne sich halt kein Dialekt oder so leisten.

[Trigger]

Sorry I'm late...long weekend.
I like the Germans. Anybody who can produce bands like Rammstein and Accept are OK by me! Oh, and their military is top notch.

@StarvingStuden47: You're going to smoke a turd for the Scorpions comment :D
J/K

[He219]

Leftwing Fruitcakes (http://www.davi****e.net/newsroom/europe/germany/112501d.html) like Joschka Fischer, Red Army Faction and Baader Meinhof Group supporter, with room-mates (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4136996,00.html) the likes of Hans-Joachim Klein (http://www.baader-meinhof.com/bbs4/_disc4/000003fd.htm) involved with the 1979 bombing of an OPEC meeting in Vienna, is the type of German I don't like....

http://www.davi****e.net/newsroom/europe/germany/pics/fischerpolice.jpghttp://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/2001/01/16/Vp/fischer.jpg
Frankfurt, Luisenplatz, April 7, 1973:
Joschka Fischer (in black helmet)
attacking a policeman.
(Photo: Lutz Kleinhans)

Interesting Story (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-pacepa021403.asp) here...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1250000/images/_1250944_fischerradical150.jpg


"we defined ourselves as revolutionaries."
Joschka Fischer



No wonder (http://www.selloutpictures.com/productions/baader/0,,1-47-371366,00.html) this is a sensitive subject, since many of those reformed radicals now run Germany. Not least Chancellor Schröder, himself a one-time Marxist whose past career as a lawyer involved representing Ulrike Meinhof’s close friend Host Mahler, a left-wing terrorist who later joined the far-right German Nationalist Party. Schröder’s Interior Minister, Otto Schily, also once defended Baader and Ensslin in court.

But most damning was the snapshot which resurfaced last year of Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer attacking a policeman at a violent 1973 demonstration. At the time, Fischer was already under pressure to resign after testifying at the trial of another ex-radical, Hans-Joachim Klein, for his part in a murderous raid on a 1975 Opec meeting in Vienna. In an intriguing twist, the source of the picture was Ulrike Meinhof’s daughter Bettina Röhl.

:cantbeli:

[Rantanplan]

And? That shows only that our Polititians Kick Ass p-)

[Kriz]

And? That shows only that our Polititians Kick Ass p-)

Did they also do drugs like George W. Bush ? :lol:

[Rantanplan]

Did they also do drugs like George W. Bush ?

Sure, But they are proud that they were (maybe, still are) Stoners!
Well, I think this is much cooler than the mendacious and dissembling American Politicians.

[He219]

They did a lot more than just that...


Bettina Roehl also disclosed that Fischer had been the main advocate of using petrol bombs in a 1976 demonstration in which a policeman almost died of terrible burns.

The incident involving Mr Weber took place the day after Ulrike Meinhof, the co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof Gang, hanged herself in prison. Her death sparked violent demonstrations by the radical Left in Frankfurt. Mr Fischer was involved in the protests, but claims not to have been near the incident when the Molotov cocktail was thrown at the car in which Mr Weber was sitting. After the attack he was arrested with 13 other people.

Almost killing policeman Juergen Weber and associating yourself with the Red Army Faction, Carlos the Jackal and being a militant leftist is a far cry from GW's fraternity days....

You probably did'nt vote for Edmund Stoiber (http://www.stoiber.de/)

[DeltaWhisky58]

HE219

When you have lived with the threat or terrorism hanging over your head for 30+ years as we have in Europe - especially the UK and Germany - instead of the sheltered world of Uncle Sam - perhaps you would think a bit more before tarring an entire nation like Germany with the so-called Bader-Meinhoff/RAF brush.

Until World Trade Centre #1 and 9/11 you guys over there hadn't experienced the wrath of World Terror on your home territory - we have for a long, long time. Don't knock Germany just because of a few politically extreme nutters.

Grow up and stop being such a bigot!

[He219]

Actually, I lived in Germany throughout the 70's.....

I am familiar with Terrorism, perhaps not the likes of Northern Ireland. I experienced RAF planted explosives on the transmission lines at Kernkraftwerk Gundremmingen and events like the RAF abduction and killing of Hans Martin Schleier where German Police pointed Submachine Pistols in my face. Don't pretend you know me and don't stereotype Americans. Some of my closest friends experienced the WTC attacks.

Unfortunately it is your 'politically extreme nutters' that are in power in Germany right now.

;)

[Rantanplan]

Dear HE219,

Germany was still ruled by old Nazis in the late sixties and early seventies, and thats why I support the leftist movement. Of course was the RAF's and Bader-Mainhof's way of terrorism the wrong way, but the german Gouvermant and the right Wing startet this War. They killed Benno Ohnesorg and the tried to kill Rudi Dutschke. And I'm proud that in Germany, wich has such a shameful History, Young People tried to fight against this Ineqity. And that this Policeman was wounded doesn't matters me at oll. The policeman were the real Extremists at this Time. Nobody count's the peaceful Demostrants wich were beaten up by the Police.

Joschka is a good Man and a good Politician. Yes, he was am Extemist,
but he changed his Position. And the most Important about Joschka and other Politicians of his Generation is that they do this Job because of their Convictions and that they are prepared to Fight for this.
Not like G.W. Buch who protected America from the Vietcong somewere in Arizona and wasted his Time with Alcohol and fast Cars because he was to rich and to bored.

MfG Rantanplan

P.S. Of Course I didn't voted for Stoiber! I would rather had voted for Bush than for Stoiber p-)

[budanski]

HE219
Until World Trade Centre #1 and 9/11 you guys over there hadn't experienced the wrath of World Terror on your home territory - we have for a long, long time. Don't knock Germany just because of a few politically extreme nutters.

Grow up and stop being such a bigot!

Wow what a NEW concept!! Will us yanks really understand what the rest of the world already knows? :roll:

Heres are some samples that will never ever match up to european brand terrorism:

November 4, 1979 Teran, Iran
U.S. Embassy Taken Over
A group of Iranian students who were angry at the United States attacked and seized its embassy in Tehran, Iran. They were supported by the countriesleader, Ayatollah Khomeini.


1982 - 1991 Lebanon
18 Americans Kidnapped
David Dodge was the president of the American University in Beirut. He was kidnapped the first time while he was on his way home from work. He was released, but he was kidnapped again. This time he was killed. His murder was called the most gruesome abduction, torture, and killing of a United States citizen. The terrorists videotaped his torture and murder. A group called the Organization of the Oppressed on Earth claimed responsibility, but the real suspects are the Hezbollah guerillas.


April 18, 1983 Beirut, Lebanon
Truck Bombing of U.S. Embassy
A large vehicle packed with explosives is driven quickly into the U.S. Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes it kills 63 people. A group of terrorists called the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.


October 23, 1983 Beirut, Lebanon
Truck Bombing of U.S. Marine Barracks
A large truck bomb with 2,500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the U.S. Marine headquarters in Beirut. 241 U.S. servicement are killed when it expoldes. A French paratrooper base is blown up just a few minutes later and 58 French soldiers are killed. A terrorist group called the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.


December 12, 1983 Kuwait City, Kuwait
U.S. Embassy Annex Attacked
A truck loaded with explosives crashed into the U.S. Embassy anex in Kuwait. Four people were killed and at least 62 were injured. A terrorist group called the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.


September 20, 1984 Beirut, Lebanon
U.S. Embassy Compound Attacked
A van filled with explosives sped through several barriers and groups of U.S. soldiers and stopped about 30 feet in front of the embassy annex. The driver of the van and 12 soldiers and visitors to the annex were killed. A terrorist group called the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.


April 12, 1985 Madrid, Spain
Restaurant Bombing
A bomb exploded in a restaurant where U.S. soldiers liked to eat. The explosion killed 18 Spaniard citizens and injured 82 other people. Only 15 of the Americans were injured, but none were killed.


June 13, 1985 Beirut, Lebanon/Algiers, Algeria
TWA Flight 847
This airliner took off in Rome, Italy, but was hijacked and forced to fly to Beirut, Lebanon. Mohammed Hamadei from the terrorist group Hezbollah, Hassan Izz-al-Din from Lebanon, and Ali Atwa another terrorist hijacked the plane.


August 8, 1985 Frankfurt, Germany
Rhein-Main Airbase Bombing
Two Americans and 20 others are injured when a Volkswagon car loaded with explosives blew up at the U.S. Rhein-Main air base in Frankfurt, Germany. Two terrorist groups, West German Red Army faction and the French Direct Action, claimed responsibility for the bombing.


October 7, 1985 Port Said, Egypt
The Ship Achille Lauro is Hijacked
Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacked by four Palistinian men who are members of the Palestine Liberation Organization. They murder a handicapped man from New York and throw his body overboard.


November 23, 1985 Valeta, Malta
Egyptair Flight 648 Hijacked
Three Arab men from the terrorist group Abu Nidal Organization hijacked this plane and forced it to land in Valletta, Malta. There was a 30 hour standoff between the hijackers and the Egyptian comandos.


December 27, 1985 Rome, Italy and Vienna, Austria
Grenades and Guns are used to Massacre Passengers at Rome and Vienna Airport
At the same time two groups of terrorists, one in Rome and one in Vienna, charge up to the counters of Israel's El Air airline. They throw grenades at the tourists getting ready to fly on the airline.


April 02, 1986 Athens, Greece
TWA Flight 840 Bombed
As the plane was beginning to land in Athens a plastic explosive bomb exploded under the seat of the passenger sitting in seat 10F. Four people were killed and nine others were wounded. The terrorist group called Ezzedine Kassam Unit of the Arab Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility.


April 05, 1986 West Berlin
La Belle Disco in Berlin Bombed
The La Belle is a nightclub that was popular with the United States servicemen. Two United States soldiers and one Turkish woman were killed in the explosion


December 21, 1988 Lockerbie, Scotland
Pan Am Flight 103 Bombing
The bomb that blew up this flight was packed in a small radio case. It was left on the plane by a terrorist that got off of the plane at an earlier stop. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorist group claimed responsibility. The bombing was carried out so that they could take revenge on America when one of its warships accidentally mistook a Palestinian passenger plane as a war plane and shot it down.


January 25, 1993 Langley, Virginia
CIA Employees in Langley, VA are Shot
A Pakisini man, Mir Aimal Kasi, who lived in Virginia drove up to the CIA building in Langley, Virginia and shot two CIA agents. He was angry because he believed that the United States were mistreating Muslims who lived in the Middle East.


February 26, 1993 New York, New York
1993 World Trade Center in New York Bombed
A group of Muslim terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives and driven into the World Trade Center's underground parking garage. Six people were killed and more than 1,000 are injured in this terrorist attack.


November 13, 1995 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
U.S. Military Complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is Bombed
Seven people are killed when a powerful car bomb explodes in front of a military center run by the United States military. Three terrorist groups: Islamic Movement for Change, the Tigers of the Gulf, and the Combatant Partisans of God claim responsibility for the bombing of this military center.


June 25, 1996 Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia are Bombed
A fuel truck was parked 35 yards away from a United States military compound. When the truck blew up 19 American soldiers were killed and 500 more people were wounded. The Movement for Islamic Change claimed responsibility for the bombing.


August 07, 1998 Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
U.S. Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania are BombedThese terrorist attacks happened almost at the same time. More than 5,000 people were injured and 224 were killed when the buildings that they were working in collapsed during the explosions.


October 12, 2000 Aden, Yemen
USS Cole Bombed
The USS Cole was docked in Aden Yemen for refueling. A small craft pulled alongside the ship and two terrorists set off the bomb. The two terrorists were killed and so were 17 U.S. Navy seamen when the explosion blew a 20 by 40 foot hole in the side of the ship.


THE AGE OF MODERN TERRORISM FOR AMERICANS ONLY


September 11, 2001 New York City, Washington, D.C.
World Trade Center is Destroyed and the Pentagon is Attacked
Terrorists hijack 4 domestic flights from Boston airport. Two of the planes slam in to the two World Trade Center towers, causing them to collapse. A third flight crashes into the Pentagon, and a fourth crashes in Pennsylvania.

[He219]

Germany was still ruled by old Nazis in the late sixties and early seventies, and thats why I support the leftist movement. Of course was the RAF's and Bader-Mainhof's way of terrorism the wrong way, but the german Gouvermant and the right Wing startet this War.

What war? Leftists against the establishment??

As you wrote, Germany was rebuilt by the people who actually experienced the war. To label that entire generation as 'old Nazis' is a discredit to your countrymen who strived over 50 years for what the leftist populus now want's on the spot. As that generation of battlehardened people (many whom were youth and saw the world along with everything they believed in get toppled upside down with the truths of Nazi-ism) now retires and disappears, we see the face of the left reer itself in the mainstream politik and to the detriment of the ethic that brought Germany out of the ruins of WWII and into Europe's driver's seat.

Killing civil servants is not a form of leftist activism I condone.

The truth of Benno Ohnesorg (http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/meinhof/3.html?sect=22) and Rudolf (Rudi) Dutschke (http://www.nrw2000.de/koepfe/dutschke.htm)

[seventy6er]

To label that entire generation as 'old Nazis' is a discredit to your countrymen ...

I fully agree with you :hug:

[DeltaWhisky58]

Rantanplan

Perhaps this thread wasn't such a good idea, but I continue to support Germany - no doubt our American freinds will single out Britain - or even Scotland next.............who knows?

Budanski

What I said was.....


HE219
Until World Trade Centre #1 and 9/11 you guys over there hadn't experienced the wrath of World Terror on your home territory

Being a citizen of the world I was aware of these attacks too! As previously stated, none of them was in the USA (excepting Oklahoma City/Langley - both of which were carried out by individuals), rather they were made on US assetts/citizens abroad - somewhat different than on your home turf?

HE219


Actually, I lived in Germany throughout the 70's.....

Surely that should have given you a broader outlook on life than that apparent from the sweeping statements you have made about a very small minority applying to a large and advanced nation such as Germany. You might as well say that all British are Irish Republican sympathisers or something equally ridiculous.

Try removing your xenophobic blinkers and having a look at the real world instead of typing such narrow-minded crap!

I used to be proud of having 25% American blood - if you guys represent the USA, I'm having second thoughts. How many Americans are of German descent - don't try and tell me that neither of you have any German blood in your veins.

At the end of the day, this is a Military-oriented Forum - not one for racially motivated and narrow-minded attacks.

I may not have lived in Germany in the 70s, but I have visited the nation many times and on the whole find its people charming and accomodating. Perhaps you treated them with the same attitude in the 70s as you do now...............I rest my case..............

[Rantanplan]

1. I used "started the War" as a rhetorical Phrase

2. Your so-called truth of Benno Ohnesorg and Rudi Dutschke proof my Point. thank you.

3. Germany wasn't rebuilded by the Politicians. Even the German constitution wasn't made by Germans. Contradicting, People like Franz Josef Strauss sabotated the young Demacrty at this Time.

[He219]

Try removing your xenophobic blinkers and having a look at the real world instead of typing such narrow-minded crap!

Sweeping statements; DeltaWhisky58, what got cought up your arse? Try reading my posts again.

I specifically wrote " Leftwing fruitcakes like Joschka Fischer is the type of German I don't like"

Yes, I have Austrian, Swiss and German blood. My relatives experienced the Firestorms in Hamburg and mass bombing raids by six mile long formations of B17's over the Ruhr, then by the British at night. Don't try to smudge my disaffections for the Socialist Left as an attack on all Germans. I'm proud of my heritage. We are all 'citiizens of the world', not just you.


Thanks, seventy6er! woot

Rantanplan, at least you are honest to being a Socialist sympathizer, but don't try to say that the Right has no convictions! Fischer and Schroeder are the establishment now. Excluding the evils of the Nazi-ism, you should be proud of your German history.