italian air force special forces

[easyand]

a new special forces group of italian air force,they're like USAF CCT's

http://www.rivista.aeronautica.difesa.it/204/3coscispring/images/2big.jpg

http://ssos.altervista.org/SSOS-1.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/UCSMA/Images/fn5517-4.jpg

[UoUo]

Very nice pics. :D

[moughoun]

Italian's alway's have badass sf unit's woot

[irra!]

the name of the unit is SSOS (squadre supporto operazioni speciali- special operations support teams, SOST)

their missions are : lrrp, combat sar, FAC/LTM woot woot

[irra!]

Italian's alway's have badass sf unit's woot

thanks ;) italy has just created also a joint special forces command woot

[Khabbi]

nice , thanks

[AROUETLJ]

It's good to see European countries adopting a common organisation for their special forces. We're just waiting for Germany.

[Andy]

:cantbeli:

KSK
SEK-M
GSG9
SEK
MEK
Fernspäher
Fallschirmjäger Spezialzüge


:roll:

Andy

[moughoun]

It's good to see European countries adopting a common organisation for their special forces. We're just waiting for Germany.

I thought that was what the DSO was for?

[moughoun]

:cantbeli:

KSK
SEK-M
GSG9
SEK
MEK
Fernspäher
Fallschirmjäger Spezialzüge


:roll:

Andy

That's just a list of sf and paramilitary unit's not an organised command structure ;)

[Andy]

KSK
SEK-M
Fernspäher
Fallschirmjäger Spezialzug

are oll in the DSO (Division Spezielle Operationen)

SEK
GSG9
MEK
...

are Police Units

Andy

[Damian]

Why they don't have M-4's ?

[easyand]

Why they don't have M-4's ?

good question....

[kutter]

Why they don't have M-4's ?

Maybe the AR70/90 is a good rifle.

[baker]

It's good to see European countries adopting a common organisation for their special forces. We're just waiting for Germany.

hold on, hold on.

we aren't that fast... ;)


btw: the US didn't let our guys engage in A-stan, quite a boring mission from what I heard. so what a SOCOM for if they don't do anything at all? :D

[baker]

It's good to see European countries adopting a common organisation for their special forces. We're just waiting for Germany.

I thought that was what the DSO was for?

Just for the Army SF, not for the hole spectrum (KS, SEK-M, CSAR, etc...)

[AROUETLJ]

Yes, er, what i wanted to say was that everybody seems to be converging towards the French model of a joint special operations command and special forces for each of the three services (army, navy, air force), with specialised "2nd tier" forces within the army (mountain warfare, pathfinders, etc.). Even the names "Fucilieri dell'Aria" (cf. Fusiliers de l'Air) and "Incursori dell'Aeronautica" (Commandos Parachutistes de l'Air) seem to be similar. Germany, as far as I know, does not have a unified tri-service special forces command. A real shame, since they have all the forces that are needed. (And someone was talking of forming an Air Force special forces unit). Incidentally, Britain does not seem to have any dedicated CSAR or FAC unit. It seems the SAS has to do everything.

[irra!]

Italian's alway's have badass sf unit's woot

thanks ;) italy has just created also a joint special forces command woot

and the battalion RANGER "Monte Cervino" is since 25/9/2004 a regiment woot

http://www.congedatifolgore.com/news/fotonews/maistrakdue.jpg

http://www.congedatifolgore.com/news/fotonews/ranger.jpg

[irra!]

Why they don't have M-4's ?

good question....

be quiet ;) probably m4 are coming soon... i hope :D

[CannibalSquirel]

Why they don't have M-4's ?

good question....

be quiet ;) probably m4 are coming soon... i hope :D

Why should they have M-4´s? The Berreta is an excellent weapon.
If they want any new one, well, my choice would be the G-36.

[tenda]

nice pic's....!!! ;)
..... :D

[He219]

Nice pic's ..

Thanks, easyand!
:D

[Damian]

Why should they have M-4´s? [/The Berreta is an excellent weapon].
If they want any new one, well, my choice would be the G-36.[/quote]

Are you kiddin' ?
Anyway very funny :lol: :lol: :lol:

[szr]

Nice pics and information! How often is it that there are large excercises and cross-training between US and Italian (and other European)SOF? From many of the pictures of the Italian SOF that I've seen, it looks like they'd have good interoperability with US forces, equipment wise.

[AROUETLJ]

They should have chosen an Italian word instead of "Ranger". Arditi alpini, or Ricognitori Alpini or Incursori Alpini (though other units might not like that...) or Cacciatori Alpini or Arditi Arrampicatori Guide Alpine Paracadutisti. ...

[irra!]

They should have chosen an Italian word instead of "Ranger". Arditi alpini, or Ricognitori Alpini or Incursori Alpini (though other units might not like that...) or Cacciatori Alpini or Arditi Arrampicatori Guide Alpine Paracadutisti. ...

the completed name is 4° reggimento alpini paracadutisti - ranger - "Monte Cervino"

[irra!]

Nice pics and information! How often is it that there are large excercises and cross-training between US and Italian (and other European)SOF? From many of the pictures of the Italian SOF that I've seen, it looks like they'd have good interoperability with US forces, equipment wise.

every year there is in italy a large training for testing interoperability (since 1970) with Col Moschin and US army's SOF (green berets)

GOI operators are permanently inserted in SEAL teams and 2 SEALs (one is always a officer) permanently inserted in GOI

GIS has cross-training with Delta

there are also other exercitations..... as an example every time that one US aircraft carriers is in italy , GOI operators mine it (with training explosives) and US NAvy can't stop them

there also ohter training with italian, us , and european sof

[irra!]

Why they don't have M-4's ?

good question....

be quiet ;) probably m4 are coming soon... i hope :D

Why should they have M-4´s? The Berreta is an excellent weapon.
If they want any new one, well, my choice would be the G-36.


yes, beretta is a good weapon but M-4 is lighter , and , i think, M-4 is more modular than g-36

we must not forget that M-4 is the same weapon used by other italian special units like GOI , Col Moschin, Monte Cervino, 185° RAO, Tuscania..

[Dominique]

Well first off it's good tp back and posting again. Second a few quick questions.

1) What's the unit's actual name ? Is it the one posted or is it "Sezione Supporto Operazioni Speciali ".

2) Is the SSOS part of the 15 Stormo?

3) Any other info on it?

[Glock]

Col Moschin doasnt use M4. They use Steyr AUG A1 and Beretta.

[-Max2-]

Col Moschin doasnt use M4. They use Steyr AUG A1 and Beretta.

They use M4s. I saw pics of Col Moschin members in Aghanistan and Iraq with M4s (fitted with ACOG and Aimpoint).

[MARINO]

GP really badass

[easyand]

Col Moschin doasnt use M4. They use Steyr AUG A1 and Beretta.

They use M4s. I saw pics of Col Moschin members in Aghanistan and Iraq with M4s (fitted with ACOG and Aimpoint).

AUG was used in the past, now they have M4

[Glock]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?

[moughoun]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?
There was a thread with pic's of them using the M4 in Afghanistan

[easyand]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?

Since 1999,they adopted it because M4 is more configurable, is the "standard" rifle for special operations forces and AUG have problems with sand

http://ssos.altervista.org/iraq/f2.jpg

[Glock]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?

Since 1999,they adopted it because M4 is more configurable, is the "standard" rifle for special operations forces and AUG have problems with sand

http://ssos.altervista.org/iraq/f2.jpg

The AUG have less Problams with sand than the M16 series!
And who says that the soldier is from COL MOSCHIN?

[moughoun]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?

Since 1999,they adopted it because M4 is more configurable, is the "standard" rifle for special operations forces and AUG have problems with sand

http://ssos.altervista.org/iraq/f2.jpg

The AUG have less Problams with sand than the M16 series!
And who says that the soldier is from COL MOSCHIN?

well it's in Italian, he's wearing Italian camo,in front ofa 9o inch landrover, the pic was posted by an Italian who might just know these thing's, they just chose the M4 over the AUG it's not the end of the World or Styer ;)

[MAGNUM]

Yes Glock, he's from 9° Regiment "Col Moschin"

[Glock]

Mhh, i know but i cant understand why M4. Because beretta is using same mags?
And what they did with the Steyr. They werent old and what i heard in good conditions.

[easyand]

col moschin's AUGs were transfered to Alpini paracadutisti (rangers) but in early 2003 they passed to M4

[irra!]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?

Since 1999,they adopted it because M4 is more configurable, is the "standard" rifle for special operations forces and AUG have problems with sand



since end of 2002 not 1999, first operation with m4 was TF Nibbio

[irra!]

Mhh, i know but i cant understand why M4. Because beretta is using same mags?
And what they did with the Steyr. They werent old and what i heard in good conditions.

because m4 is modular, logistical convenience (standard mags), more interoperability (because GOI, RAO, Monte cervino and nearly all international SOF are using M4) and because the fixed optical of AUG was not very good

[irra!]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?



http://ssos.altervista.org/iraq/f2.jpg


And who says that the soldier is from COL MOSCHIN?

RAIDS magazine

[easyand]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?

Since 1999,they adopted it because M4 is more configurable, is the "standard" rifle for special operations forces and AUG have problems with sand



since end of 2002 not 1999, first operation with m4 was TF Nibbio

The first operation was Nibbio but before they have it,it could be 2000 but i'm sure before 2002

[irra!]

Well first off it's good tp back and posting again. Second a few quick questions.

1) What's the unit's actual name ? Is it the one posted or is it "Sezione Supporto Operazioni Speciali ".

2) Is the SSOS part of the 15 Stormo?

3) Any other info on it?

1)the new name of the unit is RAIM ( reparto incursori aeronautica militare)

2) i think yes but now they are in RAIM

3)complete operativity in the first months of 2005 , about 100 men

[irra!]

Since when? And why they dropped AUG.
Source?

Since 1999,they adopted it because M4 is more configurable, is the "standard" rifle for special operations forces and AUG have problems with sand



since end of 2002 not 1999, first operation with m4 was TF Nibbio

The first operation was Nibbio but before they have it,it could be 2000 but i'm sure before 2002

the EI decided to buy the m4 when it was determined to invest more in the SF acquiring also Defender VAV and the Gill-Spike, it was 2000 or 2001, the deliveries happened in the second half of 2002 but for bureaucratic errors little weeks before nibbio were delivered to the unit ;)

[AROUETLJ]

Another unit tasked with airfield defence has also been formed: Fucilieri dell'Aeronautica. They wear a light blue beret. The Incursori wear a sand-coloured beret.

[Glock]

And what happened to the AUG's are they still in the unit?

[easyand]

col moschin's AUGs were transfered to Alpini paracadutisti (rangers) but in early 2003 they passed to M4

[irra!]

Well first off it's good tp back and posting again. Second a few quick questions.

1) What's the unit's actual name ? Is it the one posted or is it "Sezione Supporto Operazioni Speciali ".

2) Is the SSOS part of the 15 Stormo?

3) Any other info on it?

1)the new name of the unit is RAIM ( reparto incursori aeronautica militare)

2) i think yes but now they are in RAIM

3)complete operativity in the first months of 2005 , about 100 men

i must correct myself the name is not RAIM but RIAM :oops:

[Glock]

col moschin's AUGs were transfered to Alpini paracadutisti (rangers) but in early 2003 they passed to M4
And now where are the AUG's?

[ronin2172]

The AUG have less Problams with sand than the M16 series!
And who says that the soldier is from COL MOSCHIN?

That is the most blown out of proportion flaw of the M16/M4 series. If you clean your rifle routinely then M16/M4's work perfectly in dusty conditions...if they didn't spec ops form a lot of countries would be using something else....and u r taking this a lil too personal methinks...

[FB]

They should have chosen an Italian word instead of "Ranger". Arditi alpini, or Ricognitori Alpini or Incursori Alpini (though other units might not like that...) or Cacciatori Alpini or Arditi Arrampicatori Guide Alpine Paracadutisti. ...

the completed name is 4° reggimento alpini paracadutisti - ranger - "Monte Cervino"

There is NO "ranger" in the official name of the Unit. Nor in the Regiment' name, nor in its operative sub-unit, the Monte Cervino Btg.

The Regiment bears the following official name:

4° Reggimento Alpini Paracadutisti

The Monte Cervino name is reserved to the Btg, as happens in all the Alpini Units, where no Regiment bears a name, only numbers, and where, on the other hand, no Btg. bears a number, only names.

Best regards

[Stalky-Italy]

[, as happens in all the Alpini Units, where no Regiment bears a name,

2° reggimento artiglieria alpina "Vicenza" ?????

[fantassin]

I remember seeing "Col Moschin" troops using HK G3 (normal version, not SG1s) in an Italian magazine in the 80s; they were still using the "mimetica" (spelling ?) old syle camouflage at the time.

Anybody knows if G3s are still on the inventory for IT SF ?

[FB]

[, as happens in all the Alpini Units, where no Regiment bears a name,

2° reggimento artiglieria alpina "Vicenza" ?????

:D

I was expecting the objection.

This unit is rather an exception, even at the times of the old (and beloved) 4th Alpine Army Corps.

Its correct name, today, is as follows:

2° Reggimento Artiglieria Terrestre (pesante campale alpina) "Vicenza".

In 1996 it had the name that you wrote, a VERY strange thing as Artiglieria Alpina existed, with that name, for instance during WWII. Otherwise it was Artiglieria da Montagna.

Today the artillery in Alpine Brigades is called Artiglieria Terrestre (Montagna).

2nd Arty Regiment, today, is part of the Artillery Brigade and not of the Comando Truppe Alpine nor of an Alpini Brigade.

It is the heir of a unit that was an Army Corp asset (hence I believe the very strange "pesante campale alpina"), as happens for all the other ubit of the Artillery Brigade.

On the other hand, if you take for example the Turinense Brigade, you will find in it the 1° Reggimento Artiglieria Terrestre (montagna). It's Gruppo is the Aosta. And as you can see the Regiment does not bear the name.

So the unit that you picked up is really the exception to the rule. :)

Also historically, during WWII for insyance, no Alpini or Alpini Arty had a name. Those were reserved to their subunits (Btlns and Gruppi).

Ciao

[Dominique]

Do you guys happen to have anymore info on the SF or Airbase defense units?

[Dominique]

Any new info or pics on either unit?

[easyand]

Any new info or pics on either unit?

only this photo:

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/SitoAM/Images/fn11759-4.jpg

[Dominique]

Anyone have any up to date info on these guys? Preferably in English. If it's in Italian, would someone mind giving me a hand?

[easyand]

Take a look here:

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/SitoAM/Default.asp?idnot=14320&idsez=2&idarg=&idente=1398

[Frens]

And now where are the AUG's?

I'm sorry but...

http://www.ultimokilometro.com/FOTO/tecnica/manomano/bidone.jpg



J/K ;-)

[Irish]

They use M4s. I saw pics of Col Moschin members in Aghanistan and Iraq with M4s (fitted with ACOG and Aimpoint).
i agree..read an article about col moschin and they had M4s.it was in was in a-stan.