LAV-25

[goldman]

http://www.acemodel.com.ua/pages/models/72401/lav25.jpg
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav-25/001.jpg
http://www.army.lt/armor/btr/lav25_4.jpg
http://www.floridaradioactive.com/wallpaper/army/LAV-25_+_Hover_Craft.jpg
http://cplshaunwebb.com/LAV25.JPG
https://www.expeditionexchange.com/michelin/mortar.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/armeeamericaine/Image/lav.jpg
http://www.acemodel.com.ua/pages/models/72405/lav_at.jpg
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav-25/008.JPG
http://www.granddadshobbyshop.com/LAV_25.jpg
http://usuarios.lycos.es/numancia/strong/LAV25.JPG
http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/Images/aslavph_5.jpg
http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/Images/aslavph_17.jpg
http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/Images/aslavph_1.jpg

[pzheng]

Nice picures!! :D :D
btw...is lav-25 capable of floating on water?

[Ratamacue]

Nice picures!! :D :D
btw...is lav-25 capable of floating on water?
Yes. The US Marines use it for light armored recon for this reason.

[pzheng]

Nice picures!! :D :D
btw...is lav-25 capable of floating on water?
Yes. The US Marines use it for light armored recon for this reason.

cool and thx for answering.... does lav gen 2 and 3 capable of floating as well? or r they too heavy? and what about m113a3? or does it need a floting kit like the bradlys?

[Falco]

https://www.expeditionexchange.com/michelin/mortar.jpg




Wicked

[Ratamacue]

I don't know about the M113, but my assumption would be that all generations of the LAV are capable of amphibious travel. Of course, I wouldn't expect it to perform in water like an AAV or AAAV.

[Abolith]

https://www.expeditionexchange.com/michelin/mortar.jpg

OOOOOO Halo of fire... I want one!!

[[AFSOC]]

what are the major differences between the USMC LAV-25 and the CF's LAV-III

http://www.trackjam.com/photos/laviiiapc.jpg

[Viktorin]

Looks like a Grizzly... :bash:


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Norwegian-and-Swedish-military-forces/akx.jpg

[pzheng]

]what are the major differences between the USMC LAV-25 and the CF's LAV-III

http://www.trackjam.com/photos/laviiiapc.jpg

the LAV-III have increased armor protection which leads to increase in size....u can just tell by looking at the front of the two vehicles... LAV-III also has many other improvement in terms of electrons...not sur about if there is an inprovement in fire control system though... but i know there is an addition of a monitor which connect ot several infared sensers around the vehicle in the troop compartment to imcrease situational awareness of the troops sitting inside..

[markmiles77]

I notice some of the photos are of Australian LAV 25s which are known as ASLAV-25 because of slight differences.

On a different issue, why did the USMC buy the 120mm mortar that they did, rather than a turreted mortar like the Royal Ordnance 120mm AMS which provides armoured protection while firing and can also be used for direct fire support?

[username]

http://www.acemodel.com.ua/pages/models/72401/lav25.jpg

that looks like saddam in the drivers seat

[maundy]

I was at defence recruiting and they told me if I want Clearance Diver I'm gonna have to wait a long time as there are not many spots and many applicants. Same with infantry...

So anyway I've applied to be a crewman of the ASLAV.

http://www.defence.gov.au/army/equipment/aslav.htm

I want to go on the recon version. You start out as driver, then go to gunner, then commander. The commander uses the .50 cal on the versions that don't have the 25mm cannon.

[sergey31]

Please don't get this the wrong way. I'm not trying to start anything here but I still think that BTR series still look better; I think that is where they got inspiration for LAV series.
In terms of looks only, it's very ugly design.....Wheel designh especialy.
http://www.acemodel.com.ua/pages/models/72401/lav25.jpg
http://afvid.topcities.com/specs/A-D/btr80-3.jpg

[pzheng]

Please don't get this the wrong way. I'm not trying to start anything here but I still think that BTR series still look better; I think that is where they got inspiration for LAV series.
In terms of looks only, it's very ugly design - mainly overexposed wheel compartment.
http://www.acemodel.com.ua/pages/models/72401/lav25.jpg
http://afvid.topcities.com/specs/A-D/btr80-3.jpg

i have to agree... i don't think it's the wheel part though... it's the **** of the vehicle... hate the boat shape... luckly the LAV-III looks a lot better with the new front end...

[maundy]

I always thought the ASLAV looked really cool :| .

[digrar]

http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/Images/aslavph_17.jpg

We've got about 6 varients of ASLAV and you post a pic of a trainer :( p-) :P
M113s can swim but they do it better with a heap of sandbags on the floor as they tend to bobble around a bit.
We tried to cross a flooded river in a M113 in East Timor, the crew told us to prepare to get out in a hurry if we looked like flipping over (they were serious and we were nervous :P ), we got half way in before the crew piked out and got the other carrier to tow us out.

[byrneing]

Australias ASLAV-25's are capable of 10kmh speed in water using their two rear propellers. So i would assume most LAV-25's can do the same thing.

[[AFSOC]]

LAV-III's and Coyotes own...

[goldman]

The LAV is way better looking than Patria AMV. Oh thats right!

http://www.defence.gov.au/army/equipment/images/ASLAV-PC.jpg
http://www.army.mil.nz/images/functions/photogallery/NZLAVIII/M113_LAV3web.jpg
http://www.ironsides.8m.com/cai/Lav3.jpg
http://myhome.naver.net/02shin/army/image/lav.jpg
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav3/006.JPG
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav3/008.JPG
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav3/007.JPG
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav3/001.jpg
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav3/003.JPG
http://www.military-wallpaper.com/-tanke/zhuangjiache/lav3/004.jpg

[ZaakM433]

i always thought the lav looked sexy

[aartamen]

Did they supply the "25" with DU ammo?

[RomanS]

Looks gorgeous

but I still like the original

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr-80-color.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/btr80/images/btr1.jpg

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

The LAVIII is not amphibious and I believe the Piranha IV isn't either. The 25mm Bushmaster cannon is identical to that on the Bradley series of AFVs and is capable of using the same ammunition natures.

sergey31 wrote,

Please don't get this the wrong way. I'm not trying to start anything here but I still think that BTR series still look better; I think that is where they got inspiration for LAV series.
In terms of looks only, it's very ugly design.....Wheel designh especialy.

An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance.........

permskiomon wrote,

but I still like the original

What, the original 6 or 8 wheeled AFVs armed with cannon?, well that would be the german Sdkfz 234/2 Puma, Sdkfz 232, Sdkfz 234/4 tank destroyer and Sdkfz 233 self-propelled howitzer etc, then wouldn't it....

[goldman]

Hey PermskiiOMON no offence mate but BTR-80 or 90 doesnt even come close to LAV. How many has Russia lost fighting in Chechnya? Its crap!

[Falco]

Hey PermskiiOMON no offence mate but BTR-80 or 90 doesnt even come close to LAV. How many has Russia lost fighting in Chechnya? Its crap!

They were exposed to much more powerful weapons then the LAVs

[sergey31]

Hey PermskiiOMON no offence mate but BTR-80 or 90 doesnt even come close to LAV. How many has Russia lost fighting in Chechnya? Its crap!

For how many BTR's Russia has it was less then 0.01%
And NO super modified LAV would have faired any better, but once hit more troops would become crispy critters then in BTR in a similar situation.
Russian's learn how to built them better with Afghan-war experience.....

[sergey31]

"What, the original 6 or 8 wheeled AFVs armed with cannon?, well that would be the german Sdkfz 234/2 Puma, Sdkfz 232, Sdkfz 234/4 tank destroyer and Sdkfz 233 self-propelled howitzer etc, then wouldn't it"....

Well, can you tell me what U.S had before Russians were mass producing BTR's ?
And what they had, Did it resemble BTR in any way?

In 1958 the Prokhorov automotive plant became the birthplace of the amphibious multi-wheeled (8x8 configuration) BTR-60P APC. The distinctive feature of this vehicle was the installation arrangements for its two 90hp engines. Each drives an individual transmission with the right engine operating the first and third axles and the left engine operating the second and fourth axles. On the BTR-60P there is independent level torsion suspensions for all wheels, enhanced friction cam differentials, wheel reducers allowing increased clearance up to 475mm, air-tight hull with smooth bottom and sections for installing all main parts and units. These features increase cross-country capacity in off-road conditions, making it possible to move alongside tanks across rugged terrain and negotiate ditches or trenches up to two metres wide. The BTR-70 APC went into production in 1974. Its main feature compared to previous versions was the installation of two more-powerful 115hp engines that increased speed and performance. The use of two engines required precise synchronisation of operations, otherwise overloading of one engine and failure of the other could result. Servicing and maintenance of the engines was very time consuming....... THERE is more but I'll end here.

[sergey31]

This is the original...... late 50's
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr-60pa-001.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr-60pb-003.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr-60pb-002.jpg


And this is the latest model.
http://warfare.ru/0702ey70/update/feb2001/btr90.jpg
BTR 90.
Configuration 8x8
Combat weight, kg 20,920
Crew, persons 10
Engine multi-fuel Diesel, turbo-charged, liquid-cooled
Turning radius, m: with front wheels control 14
with hydro-volume gear 6
Clearance, mm 510
Max speed, km/h: 100/9
Fuel endurance, km 800
Armament: 30-mm 2A42 automatic gun, 7.62-mm PKT machine-gun, 30-mm AG-17 grenade launcher, ATGMS, man-portable AD system
Aiming angles, deg: -5 ... +75, 360
Ammunition load, pcs:
for 2A42 gun 500
for PKT machine-gun 2,000
for AG-17 grenade launcher 400
anti-tank guided missiles 4
air defence missiles 2

The BTR-90 Armoured Personnel Carrier is a 21st century combat vehicle possessing high mobility, enhanced firepower and survivability due to innovations, implemented in design and armament.

The BTR-90 APC outperforms significantly both well-known Russian APCs and up-to-date foreign-made APCs, due to its superior technical characteristics, enhanced fire power, mobility, and survivability.

Both mechanised infantry and marines can employ this vehicle for fire support, personnel transportation, surveillance, reconnaissance, and patrolling tasks.

A wide variety of highly mobile vehicles with sufficient armour protection for combat, command, control, communication, technical and medical support missions can be developed on the basis of the BTR-90 chassis.

The BTR-90 APC has a closed hull made of welded armoured steel plates.

The hull layout is developed on the basis of the combat experience in various regions of the world and expertise assessments.

The power plant is located in the aft, combat compartment - in the front, assault team compartment - in the middle of the body. This provides the most adventurous distribution of payload on the tires and favourable conditions for aimed employment of the APC’s organic armament and assault team’s weapons on the move, as well as concentration of fire of all weapons in front hemisphere.

The commander and gunner are accommodated in the turret, and the driver and seven troopers - in the middle part of the vehicle. The commander is able to carry out all-round surveillance, target designation and, if necessary, take control over organic weapons.

The members of the crew and assault team can use top hatches of the turret and the hull, as well as middle side doors for dismounting/boarding, even on the move.

The organic weapon set is located in the rotating turret and stabilised in two planes. It comprises the 30-mm 2A42 automatic gun, 7.62-mm PKT coaxial machine-gun, and 30-mm AG-17 grenade launcher. The launcher of an up-to-date anti-tank guided missile system is installed on the turret to engage heavy armoured tank-type targets. A detachable launching unit allows launching anti-tank missiles from the ground also.

Stabilised
organic weaponry is capable of engaging targets on the move, while a fire control system ensures round-the-clock aimed shooting capability. The fire control system comprises the BPKZ-42 gunner’s combined day/night sight and 1P-13 commander’s optical sight. At customer’s request, the BPK-M gunner’s sight with a thermal imaging module produced by the SAT Company, France, can be installed.

While employing organic weaponry set to render fire support for the mechanised infantry unit, the crew is capable of engaging lightly armoured targets at the distance of up to 2,500 m, helicopters and fortified installations – at 2,000 … 2,500 m, manpower located in the open, on reverse hill slopes and in trenches– at 4,000 m, as well as small –size targets, i.e. ATGMS and anti-tank artillery crews.

The APC’s firepower is supplemented by assault rifles and light machine-gun of the assault team. Moreover, troopers have the “Igla” or “Strela” man-portable air defence system at their disposal. The assault team is capable to fire its weapons through the side portholes of the hull, open hatches, or from the ground while being dismounted.

The propulsion set with a powerful multi-fuel engine and hydro-mechanical transmission, 8x8 formula employed, independent torsion-bar wheel suspension unit with significant stroke of power-consuming telescopic hydro-absorbers, high road clearance, combat-endurable tires and tire pressure control system – all these features ensure high maximum speed of up to 100 km/h, average speed of more than 50 km/h, and high cross-country ability comparable to that of tracked vehicles.

The hydro-volume gear for manoeuvring in space-limited area provides reduction of turning radius down to 6 m, while implementing four-front-wheel turn.

The BTR-90 APC negotiates easily 2.1m trenches, 30% slopes, and 0.8m vertical walls. It is also capable of negotiating water barriers afloat at a speed of 9 km/h straight off without preparation.

The BTR-90 APC can be redeployed by truck/rail/water/air transportation means. It is also capable of landing from assault amphibious ships and entering into them from the water.

Due to combat-endurable tires, the mobility is retained even after explosions of anti-personnel mines under the wheels or small arms shots.

The front armour provides reliable protection against small-calibre automatic guns, while side armour protects against large-calibre machine-gun fire and artillery round fragments. Additional armour can be installed to enhance protective capability.

The BTR-90 APC is equipped with collective NBC protection facilities, automatic fire fighting system, and a system for remote laying of smoke screen. Duplicated electrical and compressed air engine start systems ensure high combat readiness of the vehicle. While the vehicle is damaged being afloat, the incoming water is removed by a drainage facility. Optional air conditioning system and cooling unit ensure sufficient habitability of the vehicle and high combat readiness of the crew.

The onboard information control system (OICS) facilitates effective automatic control over a transmission, an engine and diagnosis of the other main vehicle units.

Communication is maintained by the R-163-50U radio set, R-163UP receiver, and R-174 intercom device.





The change of the world's geopolitical situation and frequent local military conflicts aggravated by a considerable reduction of army personnel strength call for the creation of highly mobile, agile and well-protected vehicles with armament capable of accomplishing modern combat mission with high effectiveness.

Wheeled armored vehicles are most suitable for the accomplishment of such missions. It is not accidental that a number of leading countries intensively develop wheeled armored personnel carriers. By the beginning of the 21st century they are expected to constitute a considerable part of the vehicle pool for ground forces.

Designers of the GAZ Motor Vehicle Plant have developed a new BTR-90 wheeled armored personnel carrier (APC) which considerably outperforms world-renowned Russian BTR-60PB, BTR-70 and BTR-80 carriers as well as similar foreign armored personnel carriers manufactured at present. The advantage of the BTR-90 is especially noticeable in terms of the three main parameters:

- firepower;

- mobility, cross-country ability and agility;

- protection.

As is known, the APC armament comprises, as a rule, a 12.7 or 14.5mm large caliber machine gun and a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun. Of late, 25 or 30mm small caliber guns are installed instead of large caliber machine guns.

The fighting compartment of the BTR-90 mounts four types of weapons. These include the 30mm 2A42 automatic gun, the 7.62mm PKT machine gun, the 30mm AG-17 grenade launcher and the Konkurs antitank guided missile (ATGM) system.

The fighting compartment is stabilized in two planes. It allows stationary and mobile fire, both day and night, at various targets (including tanks) at ranges in excess of 4,000 m; infantry combat vehicles, helicopters and engineer works at ranges of 2,000 to 2,500 m; hostile manpower, either unsheltered, entrenched or located on reverse hill slopes, at a range of 4,000 m; as well as pinpoint targets such as ATGM crews and antitank guns.

A comfortable fighting compartment accommodates the gunner and the vehicle commander. To enhance the APC's firing capabilities, the vehicle commander is provided with an all-round view of the situation, which allows him to override the weapon control and engage the target, should the gunner fail to see it.

The fighting compartment also houses the BPKZ-42 day/night sight for the gunner and the 1P-13 day vision device and the radio set for the commander. At customer's request, the fighting compartment can be outfitted with a gunner's sight (type BPK-M) with a thermal module manufactured by SAT of France.

In addition, a high load-carrying capacity (7 t) and a considerable inner volume (13 m3) of the BTR-90 allow the installation of heavier weapon systems such as a fighting compartment of the BMP-3 ICV, an antitank gun, a 120mm cannon, air defense and antitank missile systems, etc
http://membres.lycos.fr/abpw/19-Tanks&vehicles/images/BTR-90-3_by_Frodo.jpg

[Seiyuuki]

Another pissing contest in the making...

[aartamen]

Underway is more like it.

[sergey31]

Trying to help people with some knowledge....maybe some common sense too. ;)
Information is good.....opinions only is bad.

[aartamen]

Any deviation from the posted Topic is bad.

[sergey31]

Any deviation from the posted Topic is bad.

Agree...... but if you really think about it, it's connected.

[aartamen]

May or may not. Open a topic BTR-90 and go for it. Anyone who will stick in a post about LAV series will be wrong to do that.

[sergey31]

May or may not. Open a topic BTR-90 and go for it. Anyone who will stick in a post about LAV series will be wrong to do that.

Actually, If I did and someone did what you just stated...... Well, I'll welcome it...
I think that it's VERY similar and difference and variations of something similar is what's cool.
There will always be comparison, that is what drives people to create better and newer things.

[aartamen]

Not all are as understanding. And it does not work in majority of the cases. See above.