Bush Seeking $87B to Fight Terror Abroad

[Seraphim]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030908/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq&cid=544&ncid=716

http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/2003/09/07/bush030907

[Mortimer]

you guys STILL believe this tripe?

[hood]

what's not to believe? iraq needs rebuilding, he's asking money for rebuilding and looking to enlist the help of other countries... your problem is with which part of this?

[mocking_loudly]

Can some one fund my rogue state?.

I plan on calling it Beertasia.

[StarvingStudent47]

I'm all for funding both the war on terror and rebuilding Iraq.

HOWEVER...

Anyone with basic fiscal common sense knows that you can't spend more than your income. If we're going to be pumping plenty of money into national defense and related sectors, we need to strengthen our tax base enough to support those expenditures. That means NO MORE TAX CUTS for Dubya. Maybe even repealing some of the ones he has already passed. With an election coming up, though, it will be interesting to see whether Bush chooses fiscal responsibility or immediate gratification (ie, lots of federal spending but few taxes).

[Mortimer]

what's not to believe? iraq needs rebuilding, he's asking money for rebuilding and looking to enlist the help of other countries... your problem is with which part of this?

hey its your country....

don't you think that that 87 billion would be better spent on healthcare, medical research, education, helping create jobs?

plus the 1.5 billion a week they are spending in iraq ......sounds like you guys are getting a raw deal....

in one year theUSG is spending lets see...

$80 billion for the invasion
$1.5 billion a week x 52is about $78 billion
$87 billion this month
lets say he asks for about 70 billion in another 4 months and asks for another 60 billion in say 5 months.

grand total of....$374+ billion in ONE year.....

this isn't including the estimated was it 50 or 150 billion to rebuild the infrastructure....?

lol i'd say by this time next year iraq would have costed the US ALONE 1/2 a trillion dollars.....or 500 billion US dollars


whats not to laugh about? but hey...theres no price on freedom right?

lololol

[Mortimer]

LOL

rofl rofl rofl

[Argyll]

Morty,
$1.5 billion x 52 weeks( not 365!!)=$78 billion
Sorry bud you need to revise your figures!!

A lot of money for sure,and with Bush saying that Iraq IS now the war on terror,I find incredible ......there are more terrorist groups in Israel and the occupied territories.....so I've an idea.........invade it and smash these terrorist orginisations!
What about the terrorist groups in Kashmir?
What about the terrorist groups in the Far East
What about the terrorist groups in Europe?
To single out Iraq as the Hub of world terrorism is way beyond dillousional,look closer to Syria and Iran,and now to a lesser extent Libya.
It sounded like GWB was trying to justify the War with Iraq more on the terrorist front,than the innefective searches so far for the WMD,I noted during his speach he used the phrase ,about the evil dictator who"Had" these weapons,using past tense,not the" has",meaning present.

[Mortimer]

:oops:

sorry i was distracted.....

[Beowulf]

Can some one fund my rogue state?.

I plan on calling it Beertasia.

Can I be minister of defense...call me general Beowulf...get me some Bdu's with shoulder boards and oversized gold rimmed aviators glasses with a few dozen medals and a cigar....lookout.....and the Twins ;)

[mocking_loudly]

Can I be minister of defense

rofl

Now all we need is a minister of funny walks.... any Germans here want to fill this exclusive cabinet position?.

[hood]

I give it 3 months before we see the Iraqi Information Minister as the host of a new reality tv show similar to Banzai.

[front]

"and with Bush saying that Iraq IS now the war on terror,I find incredible"

I agree with Argyll. President Bush called Iraq the "frontline in the war on terror".

What? There is no evidence that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had anything to do with Al Queda.

"Greg Thielmann, the director of the strategic, proliferation, and military affairs division in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research until last September, was charged by Bush officials with determining where Al Qaeda might acquire expertise and materials for weapons of mass destruction.

''Based on the terrorism experts I met with during my period of government, I never heard anyone make the claim there was a significant tie between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein,'' he said. The Bush administration, he added, was ''misleading the public in implying there was a close connection.''"

www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/215/nation/Questions_grow_over_Iraq_links_to_Qaeda%2B.shtml+iraq+links+with+al+queda&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8]Boston (http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:-hkGIxs5u4sJ:

"European experts say they haven't seen U.S. proof or been able to confirm the accusations independently. The Europeans say the premise is flawed because Hussein embodies the kind of secular Arab dictators whom Bin Laden has sworn to bring down.

Talk of an Iraq-Al Qaeda connection is "nonsense," said a high-ranking source in the German intelligence community. "Not even the Americans believe it anymore."

http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-noqaeda4nov04,0,4538810.story


No mention was made last night in the September 7th address to the nation about the search for Iraqs WMD. None. When before... references to WMD, and the immediate ability of Saddam Hussein to deploy them, were at an all time high. The catchword was not "WMD" last night...

No... the catchword last night was again "terror"... wheel out that word "terror" and hope that everyone falls into line.

Address to the nation transcript:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0309/S00094.htm

cheers

front

[Kriz]

Front it's not about terror, it's just about the frigging oil !

[Argyll]

You mean there's oil in Iraq.........I never knew that!!!! ;)

[Saranof]

Morty,
$1.5 billion x 52 weeks( not 365!!)=$78 billion
Sorry bud you need to revise your figures!!

A lot of money for sure,and with Bush saying that Iraq IS now the war on terror,I find incredible ......there are more terrorist groups in Israel and the occupied territories.....so I've an idea.........invade it and smash these terrorist orginisations!
What about the terrorist groups in Kashmir?
What about the terrorist groups in the Far East
What about the terrorist groups in Europe?
To single out Iraq as the Hub of world terrorism is way beyond dillousional,look closer to Syria and Iran,and now to a lesser extent Libya.
It sounded like GWB was trying to justify the War with Iraq more on the terrorist front,than the innefective searches so far for the WMD,I noted during his speach he used the phrase ,about the evil dictator who"Had" these weapons,using past tense,not the" has",meaning present.

An while he's at it, why not get rid of some more opressive states?
Like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Quatar, Oman, China and..oh sorry, they are our ALLIES...silly me, I forgot :)

[ibstolidude]

questioning the US motives for involvement in Iraq is good...
questioning the fiscal endeavors of such is good....
questioning the lack of evidence shown to the world is good...

using the argument of "well why attack Iraq and not North Korea, Iran, Libya, China, blah blah blah is ****ing inane/insane...
it is a horrid case of circular logic... - if you attacked any other the above the same question would remain...
it is the same logic that would say
- why arrest one murder when another got away?
- why enforce anything that cannot be enforced 100% across the board (think of any law in any country, somepeople get busted some do not)
- hell for that matter - why purchase that car when there are many others like it just as nice and suit your needs?
- "they do it too!" is no excuse to sit idle for anything..in that cause why make murder illegal, people do it anyway

if the I had to pick a country for the US to remove a dictator from , IT would be one that the US has a major strategic interest and atleast oil and location provides that in Iraq -
Having even a basic study of world economic system one could see the potential threats of having large reserves of oil under the hands of non-western supporting countries - pick your terrorist/oppressive (insert what ever word you want) state and then list all the benefits/pitfalls you may recieve by removing them, I think that you would see Iraq towards to top..


- certainly I am not an supporter of the policies that brought us to this point BUT that does not mean any arguement against action in Iraq is a good arguement.