marine mess ups

[jlanni]

dows any one know any operations that the marines have screwed up and failed the missions? i have a first hour teacher that gives me crap casue im in the army and he was a marine.. i need to get back at him :lol:

[Ratamacue]

Wake Island. Their CO surrendered while they were still kicking the **** out of the Japanese. :P

[James]

At the first battle of Bull Run in 1861, the Marines fighting for the Union were driven from the field. It was a rout.

Like Ratamacue said, they lost at Wake Island. They were also among the Americans defeated on Corregidor in the Philippines in1942. That wasn't really due to a mistake - they were just overwhelmed.

Tell your teacher that another Marine said Semper Fi.

[fng]

Here are four come-backs you can use, preferably on different days.

1) "Remember Desert One."
2) "'MARINE' stands for My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment."
3) "Beirut."
4) "The only good marine is a submarine."

[Spine]

I don't know if #3 would be taken as good natured joking though, wasn't really a battle, and kinda tragic too.

[Ratamacue]

It's not the Marines' faults that they weren't allowed to carry loaded weapons. Beiruit can't be considered a failure on the part of the Corps.

[FallenAngel]

at Wake and Corregidor were only lost when the Navy and the Army respectively, didn't pull through in bringing in reinforcements. The 400 Marines on Wake held out pretty long. The only reason why the Marine commander there surrendered was because he had lost contact with his men and thought the vast majority of them were already dead. On Corregidor, the 4th Marines were under the command of an Army general and it was HE who surrendered his entire force, including the Marines.

Same thing with Beruit...not the fault of the Marines.

Bull Run I wouldn't really consider a defeat. Why? Because in 1861 the Marines were small (read: nearly non-existant) and their sole mission and training was focused on Marine operations, that is, operations at sea aboard man-o-wars. Their secondary duty was the protection of Navy bases. They were not trained for operations like the army was in open-field battles.

Same thing with Desert One. Marines asked to do something they weren't really trained for. They tried their best, but there are risks in every mission, and this time disaster struck.

Looks like you'll just have to take it :D

[steel bonnet]

Wan`t Desert One though Just USMC Aviators? ( l could be wrong,though l was led to believe that was the part played only by the USMC then)
Cannot hold the whole of the USMC on that one & as said at the time were NOT trianed for the task at hand.

Where was Gunny Highway "You have to adapt,to overcome" ;)

Ja
Steel Bonnet

[Deuterium]

Ah so now I now where all those revisionist History teachers come from, they are all Marines!! The Marines like all the branches have lost their share of battles. It’s just the nature of war. And if your on the losing side of the battle you can bet the house that you'd consider it a major F*ck-up. Getting into an argument with a Marine over this, I would argue, is just a waste of O2. Just swallow your pride and remember which branch was founded first, The United States Army. Apparently our founding fathers knew which would be more valuable to the nation.

[Schuster]

This May be a long shot. but what about Operation Pegasus. Where the Air Cav came in and "Rescued"(Some Say Relieved) The Marines Under Seige at Khe Sanh.

[Trigger]

Just point out to him that the Marine Corps symbol is a seagull sitting on a beachball, with an anchor shoved up its ass shouting 'Go Navy!'
....Then run really, really fast :D

[BMF]

USMC: uncle sams' misguided childen
MARINE: Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential

also for another screwup, the marines in the 1st gulf war screwed the battle plan by charging in too early, allowing a lot of the iraqi forces in kuwait city to make a getaway because the army forces who'd been driving east across the desert kicking ass on the way weren't in position yet. Luckily for the marines they all decided to use one particular set of highways, and the AF and other air assets blew them to hell, covering the jarheads' asses

drive on

[Deuterium]

Oh and FallenAngel is it true that the Marine Corps won't station the 4th and the 9th on US soil because they lost their colors in battle? And what about the "bloodtripe" on the NCO Marine uniform. Loosing 90% of your troops fighting against a bunch on 12 and 13 year-olds during the Mexican American war.

[James]

USMC: uncle sams' misguided childen
MARINE: Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential

also for another screwup, the marines in the 1st gulf war screwed the battle plan by charging in too early, allowing a lot of the iraqi forces in kuwait city to make a getaway because the army forces who'd been driving east across the desert kicking ass on the way weren't in position yet. Luckily for the marines they all decided to use one particular set of highways, and the AF and other air assets blew them to hell, covering the jarheads' asses

drive on

The Marines didn't go too early - they advanced much faster than Schwarzkopf thought they would, and the heavy Army units staged to do the left hook had to advance h-hour by 24 hours. Perhaps the Army didn't move quickly enough... :P

[James]

Oh and FallenAngel is it true that the Marine Corps won't station the 4th and the 9th on US soil because they lost their colors in battle? And what about the "bloodtripe" on the NCO Marine uniform. Loosing 90% of your troops fighting against a bunch on 12 and 13 year-olds during the Mexican American war.

The 9th Marines no longer exists. It was deactivated in (I think) 1996.

HQ for the 4th Marine Regiment is in Okinawa, Japan. The infantry battalions assigned it are rotated from the States - Camp Lejeune, Camp Pendelton, and 29 Palms. The infantry battalions of the 4th are assigned to Camp Pendelton, where they augment the 1st, 5th, and 7th Marine Regiments. HQ of the 4th is in Okinawa because (as rumor has it) their colors were burned at Corregidor in 1942.

Marine officers and NCOs where the bloodstripe on their dress blue trousers in honor of the officers and NCOs who were killed at Chapultapec, a fortress outside of Mexico City, in September 1847... The Halls of Montezuma... I don't know where you heard about 12 and 13 year old kids... Mexican General Santa Anna had an army of 30,000 men in the area. The Marines and the U.S. Army fought side by side as well.

[James]

This May be a long shot. but what about Operation Pegasus. Where the Air Cav came in and "Rescued"(Some Say Relieved) The Marines Under Seige at Khe Sanh.

One can blame the White House for making the decision to put the Marines there. In any case, the siege was more or less over by the time the Air Cav arrived, thanks largely to assistance from the U.S. Air Force. B-52s carpet bombing infantry positions can be helpful... :o

[James]

Eh, enough with my historical counterpoints. I don't want this to turn into a Marines vs. Army contest. They were formed for different reasons, and they have different missions today. There are a few fundamental differences in the way they operate, and each works well.

[Deuterium]

I was making a joke about revisionist history but now I don't know. Like I said before, never argue with a Marine, it's a hopeless endeavor. Drive on Marines, we owe our freedom to your sacrifices.

[...]

Khe Sahn was first a army special forces base before the Marines came in and relieved them.

[jlanni]

jeeze i didnt think this would get this many replys lol... yea your right marines are hopeless to argue wiht..

[James]

Yup. :lol:

[GLax]

i dont get the whole we're better than you thing, seems to be unique in American forces. anyway, if all else fails, just tell him we're all on the same team here. :hug:

[BMF]

the point i was trying to make is that if the marines had stuck to the plan, the iraqi forces in the city would have been stuck between the marines (2 divisions if i remember right) and the army units coming in behind/to their west (1st armor, an ID, and an ACR). and 2nd, of course the marines are going to move faster. with the exception of the ACR, those 2 army units are about twice as big as a marine division in terms of equipment, logistics, etc. the marines moving in early could well have allowed the iraqi units in the area (remains of 3 armor divisions, several tens of thousands of troops) to escape back into iraq. it was just luck that the air force and navy aviation could cover their asses

drive on