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He219
09-09-2003, 10:52 AM
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South Korean soldiers take part in military exercises near the border with North Korea (news - web sites). North Korea's top leaders vowed to push ahead with nuclear weapons development in a defiant gesture at a massive parade celebrating the 55th anniversary of the Stalinist government.(AFP/Choi Jae-Ku)

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North Korean soldiers parade to mark the country's 55th birthday in Pyongyang, Sept. 9, 2003, as seen in this video grab. North Korean leader Kim Jong-il took the salute on Tuesday at a parade to mark the occasion but diplomats said the communist state did not display any new missiles or other military hardware. (******* - Handout)

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North Korean leader Kim Jong-il (2nd R) salutes during a parade to mark the country's 55th birthday in this video grab in Pyongyang, September 9, 2003. At right is Chairman of the Standing committee of the Suprem People's Assembly Kim Yong-nam. The embattled communist state repeated threats to build up its nuclear deterrent, but diplomats said there was no military hardware on display despite speculation that North Korea might showcase a new missile during the national day parade. NO ARCHIVE, NO SALES *******/KRT

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Australian soldiers from the 3rd Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment are seen floating in the air after parachuting from their C-130 Hercules airplanes as they take part in a parachute insertion during exercises in the Shoalwater Bay near Rockhampton in Queensland, September 9, 2003. About 10,000 troops from Australia and the United States are conducting a joint military exercise in the country's north called Operation Crocodile 2003. EDITORIAL USE ONLY *******/Australian Defence Force/Captain Matt Grant

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An Israeli army tanks shells a building during a military operation against suspected militants in the West Bank city of Hebron, September 9, 2003. A Palestinian boy was killed on Tuesday as he watched a shootout between Israeli soldiers and militants, holed-up in an apartment building in the West Bank city of Hebron, witnesses said *******/Nayef Hashlamoun

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Casualty. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030909/241/57tiu.html) Warning! Graphic Image.

A Palestinian man evacuates the body of Thaer al-Siouri to a hospital in the divided West Bank town of Hebron. The 13-year-old Palestinian boy was killed by shrapnel from an Israeli missile fired during an army operation in Hebron.(AFP/Hazem Bader)


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An Israeli border policeman searches a bus in Jerusalem following threats by the militant Islamic Hamas group to carry out suicide bombings, September 9, 2003. Laying down terms for accepting what many regard as a poisoned chalice, Ahmed Korei, nominated to be the next Palestinian prime minister, urged Israel to stop trying to isolate President Yasser Arafat and halt attacks on Islamic militants, the latest of which left an 11-year-old Palestinian boy dead. *******/Gil Cohen Magen

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JERUSALEM (*******) - An explosion caused at least 15 casualties outside an Israeli army base near Tel Aviv, the Magen David Adom ambulance service said.

It said the blast occurred at a soldier's hitchhiking station at an entrance to the Tzrifin camp, one of the largest in central Israel. Police described the explosion as a terrorist attack. The camp is adjacent to a major hospital.


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An Israeli army tank moves to a new position as it blocks the main road at Deir el-Balah refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites) near the Jewish settlement of Kfar Darom, Tuesday Sept. 9, 2003. Israel had temporarily closed down the main north-south road in the Gaza Strip , blocking Palestinian traffic, in a move to secure nearby Jewish settlements that have been targeted in attacks by militants. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

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Palestinian taxis stand still as Israeli army vehicles block the main road at Deir el-Balah refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites) near the Jewish settlement of Kfar Darom, Tuesday Sept. 9, 2003. Israel had temporarily closed down the main north-south road in the Gaza Strip , blocking Palestinian traffic, on a move to secure nearby Jewish settlements that have been targetted in attacks by militants. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

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Palestinians run to avoid the effects of tear gas thrown by Israeli forces to disperse motorists blocked by the forces on the main road at Deir el-Balah refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites) near the Jewish settlement of Kfar Darom, Tuesday Sept. 9, 2003.


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A Eurofighter jet will be on display at the Defence Systems/Equipment International (DSEi) show at the Royal Docks in east London.(AFP/File/Frederick Florin)

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Pilot skills : Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots display their skills during a show in Madras. The IAF along with the state government of Tamilnadu jointly organised the show to promote the IAF career opportunities. (AFP/Dibyangshu Sarkar)

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Afghanistan (news - web sites) President Hamid Karzai, right, greets German Lt. Gen. Gotz Gliemeroth, who commands the NATO (news - web sites) troops in Kabul, as he arrives at the ceremony to honor Afghanistan's hero Ahmad Shah Massood at the Afghan Stadium in Kabul, Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2003. Thousands gather to mark the anniversary of Massood who was killed on Sept. 9, 2001, by suicide bombers linked to al-Qaida terror network. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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Ahmad Massood, 14, son of Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s hero Ahmad Shah Massood, talks during the ceremony to honor his father at the Afghan Stadium in Kabul, Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2003. Thousands gather to mark the anniversary of Massood who was killed on Sept. 9, 2001, by suicide bombers linked to the al-Qaida terror network. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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Old Navy's, Oakley's, Bananna Republic issue Hummer.... Hmmm

A U.S. soldier guards atop a military vehicle as two Afghan women pass outside the Afghan Stadium where the ceremony to honor Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s hero Ahmad Shah Massood will take place in Kabul, Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2003. Thousands gather to mark the anniversary of Massood who was killed on Sept. 9, 2001 by suicide bombers linked to the al-Qaida terror network. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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A U.S. soldier guards on the roof on the Afghan Stadium during the ceremony in honor to Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s hero Ahmad Shah Massood in Kabul, Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2003. Thousands gather to mark the anniversary of Massood who was killed on Sept. 9, 2001 by suicide bombers linked to the al-Qaida terror network. Below is a large picture of Massood. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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Two Canadian soldiers of the international Security Assistance Force (ISAF) near the derelict old Afghan Palace in Kabul. Figures showed the US is allocating just 800 million dollars to Afghanistan (news - web sites) out of 87 billion dollars President George W.Bush is asking Congress for the reconstruction of Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan.(AFP/file/Shah Marai)


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U.S. soldiers take a position during a late night hunt for an Iraqi bomb-maker by the 1st Battalion (22nd regiment) of the fourth Division of the U.S. Army, on the outskirts of Tikrit, about 110 miles (180 kilometers) northwest of Baghdad, late September 8, 2003. The U.S. army went looking for the bomb-maker after they called off a major operation to nab a senior Saddam loyalist, due to insuffecient information about the location of the loyalist. *******/Arko Datta

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Soldiers from the Dominican Republic guard the entrance of their headquarters, controlled by the Spanish, in Diwaniya in central Iraq (news - web sites).(AFP/Thomas Coex)

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US soldiers guard a checkpoint in Iraq (news - web sites). A US soldier was killed when an explosion hit his convoy as it was travelling towards Mosul.(AFP/File/Thomas Coex)

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Curfew has been imposed in Kathmandu outskirts after string of bombings(AFP/Devendra M. Singh)

Trigger
09-09-2003, 12:01 PM
Nice!
I'm loving that IAF photo woot

He219
09-09-2003, 12:36 PM
I have NO IDEA what kind of IAF exhibition planes those are...

Some more pics...

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An Israeli army tank moves through a no-man's land between Deir el-Balah refugee camp and the Israeli settlement of Kfar Darom, enforcing a closure on the main road connecting northern and southern Gaza, Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2003. The Israeli Army closed the road during assembly of a new concrete checkpoint tower. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

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Ribbon Bridge : US army soldiers stand on Improved Ribbon Bridge(IRB) during river crossing training at Imjin river in Paju, near the border between South and North Korea (news - web sites). (AFP/Choi Jae-Ku)

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U.S. Admiral Gregory Johnson, commander in Chief of the NATO (news - web sites)-led forces in southern Europe, left, and U.S. Gen. William Ward, the commander of the NATO-led peacekeepers in Bosnia, right, during a press conference in Sarajevo, on Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2003. Admiral Johnson came to Bosnia as a part of his regular periodical visits of the troops deployed here. Some 12,000 peacekeepers from 30 countries have been serving in Bosnia since the end of the country's 1992-95 war trying to help in the implementationof the peace process here. (AP Photo/Hidajet Delic)

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A British serviceman demonstrates an attack helicopter simulator at the Defence Systems and Equipment International Conference in London.(AFP/Alessandro Abbonizio)

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A police dingy (L) patrols the water where military vessels are moored outside Europe's biggest arms show opened in London.(AFP/Odd Andersen)

hendrix33
09-09-2003, 01:26 PM
Great Job!
You're weekly pictures always get serious attention from where I stand.

I'll try giving some more from local press

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Source: http://www.walla.co.il / *******


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An Israeli army tanks shells a building during a military operation against suspected militants in the West Bank city of Hebron, September 9, 2003. A Palestinian boy was killed on Tuesday as he watched a shootout between Israeli soldiers and militants, holed-up in an apartment building in the West Bank city of Hebron, witnesses said *******/Nayef Hashlamoun



Well, later today the building has been destroyed because of IEDs threat. It seems the forces are implementing the lessons learnt (with blood) the past few weeks about entering buildings. This time the forces used Tank fire before they came in.


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A severe suicide bombing took place today near Tzrifin army base, located 10 minutes drive from Tel-Aviv. This is a large base of non-combatant troops, and the attack took place in a bus station intetionally at around 17:30, when the place is crowded with soldiers on their way home. Many of these soldiers do not carry a personal weapon, and the suicide bomber was appearantly disguised as a soldier. So far there are 6 dead and dozens of wounded.

Trigger
09-09-2003, 01:44 PM
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Aircraft/Specs/index.html
HAL Kiran Mk.I/IA/II

These might be the IAF fighters in their demo team.

He219
09-09-2003, 02:30 PM
Thanks, hendrix33: That first shot with the destruction of the building is impressive. I always enjoy seeing pictures from a different perspective and from various sources. Warning, graphic images.....

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residential building is detonated by the Israeli army in the divided West Bank City of Hebron. A Palestinian boy was killed by shrapnel from an Israeli missile while a local head of Hamas' armed wing and his aides were found dead in the building besieged by the army during the operation.(AFP/Hazem Bader)

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An Israeli soldier walks behind Palestinians carrying the body of one of the two unidentified militants killed during an Israeli forces' raid in a building in the southern West Bank city of Hebron, Tuesday Sept. 9, 2003. Israeli troops surrounded the seven-story apartment building early Tuesday, apparently searching for wanted militants and a 12-year-old Palestinian boy was also killed during the exchange of fire with Palestinian gunmen inside, hospital officials and witnesses said. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)


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The weapon and uniform of an Israeli soldier lays amid broken glass at the scene after an exlosion outside an army base near Tel Aviv September 9, 2003. A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up outside a major army camp near Tel Aviv on Tuesday, killing at least two people and wounding several, police and rescue workers said. *******/Nir Elias

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Israeli policemen search the scene after an explosion outside an army base near Tel Aviv September 9, 2003.

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An Israeli soldier guards the scene after an exlosion outside an army base near Tel Aviv September 9, 2003

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An Israeli policeman guards the scene after an exlosion outside an army base near Tel Aviv September 9, 2003

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An Israeli rescue team inspects a bus station near the army base of Tzrifin, west of Tel Aviv after a suicide attack which left six people dead and some 30 others injured.(AFP/Menahem Kahana)[quote]

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Trigger, I found this interesting pic from the site you linked:

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[quote]SU-30MKI 'SB 022' prepares for her demonstration flight at Aero India 2003. A HAL Dhruv (of the Indian Army) hovers in the background, with her complement of Army Para Commandos.

Chet Mystery
09-09-2003, 03:18 PM
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I had that many merit badges when I was in the Boy Scouts too :D

Chris196
09-09-2003, 03:35 PM
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Love to see those 82nd Abn M14/ACOG combos

Trigger
09-09-2003, 03:52 PM
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OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM -- An F-15E Strike Eagle from the 494th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron patrols the skies over Baghdad, Iraq, during a combat air support mission Aug. 28. The 494th deployed here from Royal Air Force Lakenheath, England, to support Operation Iraqi Freedom. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt Lee A. Osberry Jr.)
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Hi Res

hendrix33
09-09-2003, 04:09 PM
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An Israeli soldier guards the scene after an exlosion outside an army base near Tel Aviv September 9, 2003

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An Israeli policeman guards the scene after an exlosion outside an army base near Tel Aviv September 9, 2003


Well, it just occured to me I've been on this bridge for over a dozen times. :|

ArmoredDov_D9
09-09-2003, 04:57 PM
The two Hamas "militants" killed in Hebrom were Ahmed Bader and his henchman. They were the heads of Hamas in Hebron.


In Zrifin terror attack there are 7 dead and 3 fataly injured going through operation right now.

In Jerusalem - a terror attack in Bet Hillel Cafe. A lot of casualties, at least 5 are dead.

:(

Spine
09-09-2003, 06:38 PM
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The IDF sucks, plain and simple (to me).

hendrix33
09-09-2003, 06:43 PM
Think again, and rephrase.

Spine
09-09-2003, 06:52 PM
OK, the IDF are a bunch of goons, hope Israel isn't there in 2048.

hendrix33
09-09-2003, 07:00 PM
Well, hate to break the news for you then, because hope is all you've got on that, because we're here to stay.

Have a great day 'mate'.

Spine
09-09-2003, 08:12 PM
I guess it was harsh of me, but I just feel both sides are behaving in a way that has to be stopped, by outside forces maybe. It seems the UN would be good for that, aside from the Israelis and UN not getting along too well since 1948.

I have nothing against the people of Israel, but it seems that under the Sharon government, things have gotten very bad over there. The facts are that almost 900 Israelis are dead, and 2600 Palestinians are dead, and I guess arguing over this is a waste of energy.

Palestinians need their own country, with the pre-67 borders and East Jerusalem, 'rooting out terror' will fail in the mean time.

Back to the pictures....

hendrix33
09-09-2003, 08:37 PM
Spine:


Outside force is not a relevant solution. Especially not the UN who's lack of obectivity on this issue is enraging. Outside forces will never be a relevant solution. What would YOU think of an Israeli Armored division parked near your town?

Let's see: what's left?

Violence? Israel does not seek violence. The most commom word in the Hebrew language is SHALOM (Peace). We say it also as hello, also when picking up the phone, when we meet someone, when we say goodbye. It's in Israel's essence ever since it's establishment to achieve true peace. We've also succeded, in 76' with Egypt, and in 93' with Jordan.
So where is the violence comming from? Isael? Are WE targeting busses full of children?

What else? Peace prosses. Yeah. PM Ehud Barak offered arafat just about everything the palestinians want on Taba Talks, which was refused. We were up to a true dialouge with PM Abu Mazen, but arafat tripped him and made him resign.

Now say 'The IDF sucks', from your safe location, not having to serve 3 years of mandatory army service, not having to see funerals of friends before the got to be 20 years old.

I truly hope you'd never have to face sights like these:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3639

And that you NEVER EVER, not even in your worst nightmares, have to see how your friend's mother refuses to let go of her son's grave after his funeral was over.

May peace come to us all, and soon.

GLax
09-09-2003, 09:40 PM
i gotta take hendrix's side here. what would you like Israel to do? just sit back and get bombed everyday and not even try to eliminate the threats? the fact of the matter is that if the IDF didnt come down on these ppl then Israel would'nt even exist anymore. Palestine has been offered countless deals to have its own nation and have peace, but the fact of the matter is that they wont be satisfied until Israel doesnt exist anymore. everybod over there wants peace but if the Arabs/Palestinians dont stop bombing buses full of innocent people then the IDF wont stop coming down on them, and comin down hard. from way over here in America, i can say the IDF seems harsh, but they almost have to be if they care anything about their country, which they do...

Spine
09-09-2003, 09:43 PM
Alot of the people dying there are relatively recent immigrants from other parts of the world who don't get along with each other religiously, so really, it's not the same as where I live.

People in that part of the world seem to think they have been promised pieces of land by a god of some kind, and that is the truly rediculous foundation of these troubles. It's almost impossible to solve because of this, and as a non-religious guy, I feel it's truly stupid that so many people are ripped to shreds on both sides over such illogical thinking...

Israel wants the Arabs from 1948 to leave, and they push them around sometimes to suit the Jewish plans for Arab lands. The only way for a population with no military to fight back seems to be terrorism.

What would you do if you were a Palestinian told to stay in your house for 5 months? Treated like total crap in your own land by a culture that doesn't like you except for labour? I'm not saying Israel shouldn't fight terror, but as a state, they shouldn't try so hard to ask for it. Settlers are a HUGE part of the problem here I think.

Maybe you wouldnt' bomb a bus full of children, but if you didn't fight the occupiers somehow, you'd be a pussy.

Like I said, back to the pictures...

Interesting look, with the riot gear and t-shirts.

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GLax
09-09-2003, 11:15 PM
'I guess it was harsh of me, but I just feel both sides are behaving in a way that has to be stopped, by outside forces maybe. It seems the UN would be good for that, aside from the Israelis and UN not getting along too well since 1948.'


'Maybe you wouldnt' bomb a bus full of children, but if you didn't fight the occupiers somehow, you'd be a pussy.'


allrite man, first you said that the behavior (i'm assuming you mean fighting) should be stopped. maybe by the UN. and then you go and say that if the Palestinians dont fight back then theyre 'pussys'. whats it gonna be? do you want the fighting to stop or should the Palestinians continue to blow themselves up in fear of being called 'pussys'?

Spine
09-09-2003, 11:36 PM
I'm saying that standing up against an occupation that gives them less rights probably comes naturally, and that being angry with Israel is probably not too hard to imagine in their shoes.

If north american indians being killed off and driven into camps and reservations were to blow up a few civilian people when the north america was being settled, would you blame them? Would they be terrorists too? I know it's not the same, as many of the arabs as well as the jews weren't occupying 'Israel' before in the way the indians were, but on an ethnic level, it's similar. It's not as simple as "Israel good, terror bad".

I think the violence should be stopped, and some justice involved in the equation. Israel is not capable of giving equal justice to Palestinians at this point, so we need some REAL mediation. The UN probably won't do, but I don't know who is better for the job.

I don't have the solution, but I don't think either party involved there does either. Sharon and Arafat were both kicking around before Israel was a real country, and they are a huge part of the problem with solving this BS. You need younger and more moderate leaders on both sides for things to work, right now you have two psychopaths.

Chris196
09-10-2003, 05:16 AM
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Spainish troops arrived in Iraq to serve under Polish command alongside 1,200 troops from Central American states. (THOMAS COEX/AFP/***** Images)

hendrix33
09-10-2003, 07:24 AM
Israel wants the Arabs from 1948 to leave, and they push them around sometimes to suit the Jewish plans for Arab lands. The only way for a population with no military to fight back seems to be terrorism.

What would you do if you were a Palestinian told to stay in your house for 5 months? Treated like total crap in your own land by a culture that doesn't like you except for labour?


Well, that's the arab version, anyway.

Compairing the palestinian situation to the Indians is incredibly proposteus, so I won't even refer to that.

NO BODY want the Arabs to leave. There are hunderds of thousands of Israeli arab citizens, fully equal to Jewish citizens, with full parlamentry representation.

NO BODY likes to treat the palestinians like crap: If last week attempted assassination planner would've used MK-84 bombs instead of MK-82 bomb, the targets would've been out now. Why wasn't it used? Because no body wanted to inflict any collateral damage more than necessary. Even at the cost of not achieving the goal of the mission. Nobody likes curfews, nobody like checking posts. Give me a better way to stop busses from explodding which hasn't been tried.
One better way.

Another fundemental thing about the conflict you fail to grasp. I don't know how much they teach you about the Holocaust where you live. I'm not in the mood of giving history lessons on that either. My grandparents don't have any family, and not because of old age.
Bottom line: The reason for the Holocaust was the fact the jews had no country. That's the basis of the entire security and military doctrines: Israel cannot afford to loose a conflict.

Now the arabs, around half a billion of them, have vast resources, huge unoccupied lands, and finnance. Jews only have Israel.

Sharon and arafat? Objectively, arafat is the problem. Even white house says so. Don't go blaming Sharon for that.

One last thing: Settlements. I partly agree that some should be stopped. However, Israel IS a democratic nation, and as such it follows the will of majority. Can you say THAT on the other side of the conflict?

He219
09-10-2003, 10:49 AM
The Israel/Palestine topics are best left to the discussion forums. I'm interested, but bandwidth allocations are getting blurred..


And now, Today's Pictures....

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U.S. Marines plan to hand over responsibility for the Shiite holy city of Najaf by the end of the week to a Polish-led division now in place in south-central Iraq (news - web sites), a senior U.S. general said on September 9, 2003. Shi'ite Muslim protesters are shown chanting slogans in front of a line of U.S. troops during a demonstration in Najaf, July 20. Photo by Oleg Popov/*******

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USn soldier Lt. Col Steven Russell, commander of the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003, checks the location map with the onboard computer before a raid was conducted in the early hours of Wednesday morning. More than a dozen men were taken into custody and a large cache of weapons explosives and home made bomb detonators were found during the raid which 1/22 infantry regiment conducted after receiving reports from local sources and military intelligence.(AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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Two US soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003, stand guard during an early morning raid. More than a dozen men were taken into custody and a large cache of weapons explosives and home made bomb detonators were found during the raid which 1/22 infantry regiment conducted after receiving reports from local sources and military intelligence.(AP Photo/Sgt.1stClass Gilbert Nail)

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Detainees sit in the back of a military vehicle after US soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division, raided houses in the early hours of Wednesday morning in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Sept. 10, 2003. More than a dozen men were taken into custody during the raid that 1/22 infantry regiment conducted after receiving reports from local sources and military intelligence.(AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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US soldier Sgt. 1st Class Gilbert Nail of Clayton Oklahoma from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003, examines ordinance found after raids were conducted in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

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US soldiers from right, Sgt. 1st Class Gilbert Nail of Clayton Oklahoma, Sgt.Maj. Salvador Martinez, Sgt.Maj. Cesar Castro of New York, and Sgt.1st Class Milton Benson of Crystal Springs, Mississippi from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003, examines ordinance and Iraqi cash found after raids were conducted in the early hours of Wednesday morning. More than a dozen men were taken into custody and a large cache of weapons explosives and home made bomb detonators were found during the raid which 1/22 infantry regiment conducted after receiving reports from local sources and military intelligence.(AP Photo/Rob Griffith)


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US soldier Lt.Col Steven Russell left, commander of the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division and Unit executive officer Maj. Luke in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003, examine remote control bomb devices and other ordinance found during a the raid early Wednesday morning.

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Seargent First Class Gilbert Nail from Clayton, Oklahoma, of the 1st Battalion (22nd regiment) of the fourth Division of the U.S. Army, shows an improvised explosive device built into a softdrink can, confiscated during a raid in Tikrit, about 110 miles (180 kms) northwest of Baghdad, September 10, 2003. U.S. troops captured arms and munitions, communciation devices and explosives during the early morning raid. *******/Arko Datta

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U.S. soldiers guard the area after an explosion Tuesday night Irbil, 350 km (200 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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U.S. soldiers check the area of Tuesday night's explosion in Irbil, 350 km (200 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)


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US soldiers on patrol near the Iraqi city of Arbil. A suicide bomber has killed a child and wounded more than 50 people in Arbil. Six US defence staff were also wounded in the blast which shattered the calm security situation in northern Iraq (news - web sites).(AFP/File/Joseph Barrak)

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British troops patrol the 'Five Mile' working class neighborhood in southern Iraq (news - web sites)'s capital Basra. Iraqis told the British soldiers that they found a timed bomb in a briefcase outside the Shiite Muslim mosque of Sayed al-Shuhadaa. The British forces cordoned off the area and brought in explosives experts to detonate the bomb.(AFP/Ahmad Al-Rubaye)


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Hungarian soldiers keep watch from a destroyed building near their base in the central Iraqi town of Al Hilla, September 10, 2003. Washington is seeking 15,000 more soldiers from other nations as well as reconstruction funds to back its own commitment of 130,000 soldiers and billions of dollars in Iraq (news - web sites). *******/Laszlo Balogh


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Polish Soldiers patrol a road on the outskirts of Najaf. The coalition forces have forbidden unauthorised Iraqis in the Shiite holy city from carrying weapons.(AFP/File/Karim Sahib)

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Iraqi boys follow behind a British soldier to playfully taunt him as he leaves a guard post at the end of his daily duty in downtown Basra, Iraq (news - web sites) Wednesday Sept. 10, 2003. (AP Photo/Nabeel Al-Jurani)

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Unidentified guards of honor and an Afghan soldier, center, have a rest before honoring late Northern Alliance commander Ahmed Shah Massood outside his tomb tomb in his hometown in Tapi Salar of the Panjshir Valley, 90 miles north of Kabul, Afghanistan (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. Suspected al-Qaida suicide bombers killed Massood just two days before launching the devastating Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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An Afghan soldier sits on a disused Russian tank near a portrait of late Northern Alliance commander Ahmed Shah Massood hanged at a side road in his hometown at Tapi Salar in the Panjshir Valley, 90 miles north of Kabul, Afghanistan (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. Suspected al-Qaida suicide bombers killed Massood just two days before launching their devastating Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. Many believe attacks against Massood and the U.S. were coordinated. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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Afghan soldiers carry flowers to the tomb of Ahmad Shah Masood, the legendary commander of the Northern Alliance, at Panjsher valley north of Kabul, September 10, 2003. Afghans gathered in Kabul on Tuesday to commemorate the second anniversary of the murder of Masood, slain by al Qaeda two days before the September 11 attacks on the United States. *******/Ahmad Masood

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Taliban Hunting in Eastern Afghanistan


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Cafe Suicide Bombing in Israel

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Mourners attend the funeral of Alon Mizrahi, an Israeli security guard who was killed in an explosion in a cafe, in Jerusalem, September 10, 2003. A bomber killed seven people in a cafe in Jerusalem on Tuesday, five hours after eight soldiers died in the bombing of a bus stop outside a military base near Tel Aviv. *******/Gil Cohen Magen

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Blood Lust - The Israeli Retaliatory Strike

Smoke rises after an Israeli missile strike on the home of a political leader of the militant Islamic movement Hamas, in the Gaza Strip September 10, 2003. The attack killed his adult son and a bodyguard, medics said. The Hamas official, Mahmoud al-Zahar, had been standing in the doorway of his two-storey house in Gaza City when it was attacked. He was thrown out by the blast and slightly wounded in the back of his head and his back, Hamas members said. *******/Eric Gaillard

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Palestinians search the remains of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar's house after an Israeli missile strike in Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Sept. 10, 2003. Al-Zahar survived the strike that killed his eldest son and a bodyguard, as a new wave of tit-for-tat violence drowned a dying U.S.-backed peace plan in blood. Photo by Suhaib Salem/*******

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Palestinians evacuate a wounded man after an Israeli missile strike against Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar in Gaza, September 10,2003. Israel killed two Palestinians in a missile strike on Wednesday on the home of a senior official from the militant Islamic movement Hamas, including one of his bodyguards, medics said. *******/Suhaib Salem


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Palestinians evacuate the body of a Palestinian woman killed in an Israeli missile strike on a senior Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar after an Israeli missile strike in Gaza city, Wednesday Sept. 10, 2003. Israeli warplanes on Wednesday bombed the home of a senior Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar, wounding him and killing his son and a bodyguard, witnesses and hospital officials said. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

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Palestinian medical workers and relatives wheel in a wounded woman to the treatment room at Shifa hospital in Gaza city, Wednesday Sept. 10, 2003. Israeli warplanes on Wednesday bombed the home of a senior Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar, wounding him and killing his son and a bodyguard, witnesses and hospital officials said. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)



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North Korean soldiers, carrying a banner of the late leader Kim Il-sung, parade to mark the country's 55th birthday, in Pyongyang September 9, 2003. North Korean leader Kim Jong-il took the salute on Tuesday at a parade to celebrate the country's birthday but diplomats said the communist state did not display any new missiles or other military hardware. Picture taken September 9. JAPAN OUT. NO ARCHIVE, NO SALES *******/Korea News Service

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Members of the United States Coast Guard's Maritime Safety and Security Team hold anti-terrorism response training off Liberty Island, in New York Harbor on September 9, 2003. The Coast Guard patrols the Hudson and East Rivers protecting landmarks like the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island and The United Nations as part of the restructured Homeland Security department of the US Government. *******/Chip East


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Australian troops, shown in this file picture in Iraq (news - web sites), are in New Zealand for an exercise rescuing citizens abducted by "Islamic militants" in a foreign country.(AFP/file/Joseph Barrak)


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Chilean policemen patrols the National Stadium prior to a World Cup qualifying match betweenPeru and Chile, September 9, 2003. 30 years ago, the same stadium turned into a detention center for thousands of people taken in for questioning following the September 11, 1973 coup by General Augusto Pinochet (news - web sites), who toppled Socialist President Salvador Allende's government. September 11 will mark the 30th anniversary of the military coup led by Pinochet. For many, the day is painful reminder of 17 years of repression and human rights abuses in which more than 3,000 died under Pinochet's military government. But for others, September 11 is the day the general saved Chile from Marxism. *******/Mariana Bazo

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A Chilean soldier stands guard over prisoners in the stands of Chile's National Stadium, turned into a detention center for thousands of people taken in for questioning, following the September 11, 1973 coup. General Augusto Pinochet, who led the coup, toppled Socialist President Salvador Allende's government and September 11 will mark the 30th anniversary of the military coup, overthrowing President Salvador Allende. For many, the day is painful reminder of 17 years of repression and human rights abuses in which more than 3,000 died under Pinochet's military government, but for others, September 11 is the day the general saved Chile from Marxism. *******/FILE

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File photo showing Chilean President Salvador Allende (R) alongside Cuban President Fidel Castro, during his visit to Chile in 1972. Some 3,000 to 4,000 people were killed or forcibly disappeared during former dictator Augusto Pinochet's anti-communist crackdown, after he toppled the Socialist leader Allende. The media's obsession with September 11, a date burned into the Chilean psyche long before the 2001 World Trade Center attacks turned the date into a symbol for Americans, has shocked people with spine-chilling testimony and fresh evidence on some of the shadier episodes of the dictatorship. *******/FILE

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A nuclear explosion from a hydrogen bomb. Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb, has died aged 95.(AFP/File)

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Edward Teller, a pioneer in molecular physics dubbed the 'father of the H-bomb' for his role in the early development of nuclear weapons, died on September 9, 2003, a Stanford University spokeswoman said. He was 95. Teller reportedly had suffered a stroke earlier this week and died at his home on the university campus on Tuesday. A naturalized U.S. citizen born in Hungary, Teller was a key member of a group of top scientists who fled Hitler's Germany and ended up working on the Manhattan Project, the secret program that developed the atomic bomb. He is seen at Stanford after receiving a medal from the Hungarian government in this August 14, 2001 file photo. Photo by *******

hendrix33
09-10-2003, 11:35 AM
Great set of photos, again.

Trigger
09-10-2003, 03:07 PM
A couple of these were posted by He-219 yesterday or the day before (I think). I found some Hi res versions, so here ya go!
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A soldier from 3/502nd Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) mans an M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) at a cordon and search of a gas station in Mosul, Iraq, during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Sept. 2, 2003. (U.S. Army photo by Pvt. Daniel D Meacham) (Released)
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He219
09-10-2003, 04:03 PM
Nice Hi-Res, Trigger!

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An Iraqi child looks at a soldier from the 1st Battalion (22nd regiment) of the 4th infantry division, standing guard during a search operation in Tikrit, about 110 miles (180 kms) northwest of Baghdad, September 10, 2003. Security in Tikrit, the hometown of the ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, has been tightened on the eve of the second anniversary of the Septmeber 11 attacks. *******/Arko Datta

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Members of Britain's 1st Battalion, Royal Green Jackets prepare for their departure to Iraq (news - web sites) at Weeton Barracks in Lancashire, northern England, September 10, 2003. Some 600 troops from the Royal Green Jackets are due to leave the UK for the city of Basra in southern Iraq on September 11, 2003 to add to the 10,000 British troops that are currently deployed in Iraq. - NO ARCHIVE - *******/Chris Sunderland

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A Palestinian runs with a Palestinian flag, flanked by gunmen during the funeral of two men, including Khaled Zahar, killed a few hours earlier when Israeli warplanes attacked and leveled the home of his father, senior Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar, wounding him in Gaza City, Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. Zahar's bodyguard was also killed in the attack. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)


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A Palestinian militant holds a rocket propelled grenade, during clashes with Israeli troops near to the border of Egypt in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 11, 2003. At least five Palestinians were wounded in the clashes, according to medical sources in the area. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)


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A Palestinian man shoots toward Israeli forces (unseen in photo) during clashes with Israeli troops, near to the border with Egypt in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 11, 2003. At least five Palestinians were wounded in the clashes, according to medical sources. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)


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Armed Palestinian men clash with Israeli troops near to the border with Egypt, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Wednesday, Sept. 11, 2003. At least five Palestinians were wounded in the clashes according to medical sources. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)


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Palestinian gunmen attend the funeral for two men, including Khaled Zahar, who was killed a few hours earlier when Israeli warplanes attacked and leveled the home of his father, senior Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar, who was himself lightly wounded, at a morgue in Gaza City, Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. Zahar's bodyguard was also killed in the attack. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)


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Senior Hamas figure Mahmud al-Zahar (C) arriving in Gaza City in June. Zahar was wounded and his son and bodyguard were killed in a botched Israeli air strike which targeted his home in the Rimal neighborhood of Gaza City. Twenty-five people were wounded, including Zahar's wife and a daughter. In all, three women and five children were hurt. (AFP/File/Mohammed Abed)


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Croatian President Stjepan Mesic, left, reviews a guard of honor with his Serbia-Montenegro counterpart Svetozar Marovic Wednesday Sept. 10 2003 in Belgrade. Mesic in on one-day official visit to Serbia-Montenegro. Both apologized Wednesday for the pain they caused each other during Yugoslavia's bloody breakup, marking a new spirit of reconciliation and willingness to overcome troubles that have lingered since the war. (AP Photo / Srdjan Ilic)

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Two helicopters fly as police officers arrive at San Juanito, 25 miles southeast of Bogota, Colombia, Wednesday, Sept.10. 2003. Some 60 police officers are part oft he 5.200 new police officers that were sworn in throughout the country. All of these officers will be deployed in remote municipalities that were abandoned by the police in recent years after rebel attacks or where there's never been police posts. In the last year President Alvaro Uribe's governmet has beefed up the military and police forces and thegovernment is planning to deploy police in all the 1098 municipalities in the country. (AP Photo/ Juan Herrera)

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Local residents applause as police officers arrive to San Juanito, 25 miles southeast of Bogota, Colombia, Wednesday, Sept.10.2003. Some 60 police officers will be part of 5.200 police officers that were sworn in throughout the country. All of these officers will be deployed in remote municipalities that were abandoned by the police in recent years after rebel attacks or where there's never been police posts. In the last year President Alvaro Uribe's governmet has beefed up the military and police forces and the government is planning to deploy police in all the 1098 municipalities in the country. (AP Photo/ Juan Herrera)

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Imam Samudra (C) shouts "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great) while being escorted by police after his trial in Denpasar. Samudra was sentenced to death by firing squad after an Indonesian court found him guilty of an "extraordinary crime against humanity"(AFP/Indah Winarso)

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Police seal off the area in a ladies shop at the shopping mall NK in central Stockholm where Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh was stabbed in the stomach, chest and arm September 10, 2003. Police said her wounds were not life-threatening and she was conscious when carried into an ambulance on a stretcher. But almost two hours after the attack she was still on the operating table at Stockholm's Karolinska hospital, her spokesman said. (SWEDEN, DENMARK, NORWAY OUT) *******/SCANPIX/Stefan Bladh

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030910-N-7542D-254 Amite, La. (Sept. 10, 2003) -- Workers from the Amite foundry pour molten steel recycled from the World Trade Center, into the mold of the bow stem of the Amphibious Transport Dock ship USS New York (LPD 21). About 24 tons of steel was salvaged from the World Trade Center, which was destroyed in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Approximately 10-percent of the steel was lost when the foundry superheated the 48,780 pounds of steel to 2,850 degrees Fahrenheit. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Dean Dunwody. (RELEASED)

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HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah -- A B-2 Spirit drops 32 inert Joint Direct Attack Munitions Aug. 27 at the Utah Testing and Training Range here.


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FILE PHOTO -- Two A-10 Thunderbolt IIs from the 52nd Fighter Wing, 81st Fighter Squadron, Spangdhalem Air Base, Germany, drop away from a refueling tanker during a NATO Operation Allied Force combat mission. The "Warthogs," deployed to Aviano Air Base, Italy, are specially designed for close air support of ground forces. (U.S. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Greg L. Davis)


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ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE, Md. -- Erika Harold, Miss America 2003, shakes hands with airmen here during a visit Sept. 5. Harold and 51 Miss America contestants visited the base as part of their tribute to America's armed forces. (U.S. Air Force photo by Bobby Jones)


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CAPE CANAVERAL AIR FORCE STATION, Fla. -- A Delta IV rocket lifts off from here Aug. 29. A Defense Satellite Communication System was placed into orbit by the rocket. It was the last of the system to be launched. (U.S. Air Force photo by Carleton Bailie)


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CAPE CANAVERAL AIR FORCE STATION, Fla. -- A Titan IV B rocket takes off from here Sept. 9. The rocket carried a National Reconnaissance Office payload into orbit. The classified payload will help enhance national security for the United States and support deployed forces. (U.S. Air Force photo by Carleton Bailie)


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Cosmonauts Pedro Duque (L) of Spain, Alexander Kaleri (C) of Russia and Mike Foale of the U.S. give a thumbs-up as they stand in gas masks, after an onboard fire training session in Star City outside Moscow, September 10, 2003. The cosmonauts are due to take off for the International Space Station in October from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, as the crew of expedition eight. *******/Sergei Remezov

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Family and friends of victims of the September 11 attacks make their way down a ramp past a line of British police officers to lay flowers at ground zero of the World Trade Center site Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003 in New York. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)


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Family members and friends of those killed gather during the commemoration ceremony of the Sept. 11 attacks at the World Trade Center site in New York Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)

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President Bush and first lady Laura Bush take part in a moment of silence, Thursday, Sept 11, 2003, on the South Lawn of the White House. The stand with other White House employees in remembrance of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)


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Two unidentified armed police officers from London's Metropolitain Royal and Diplomatic Protection squad stand gaurd on the corner of Grosvenor Square in London, Thursday Sept. 11, 2003, where Britain's Princess Royal, Princess Anne, will open a memorial garden dedicated to the memory of the British victims of the terrorist attacks on the US on Sept. 11, 2001. The US embassy is situated in Grosvenor Square. (AP Photo/Richard Lewis)


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Sgt. Rhonda Gwynn of 230 Finance of the Fourth Division of the U.S. army prays during a memorial service to mark the second anniversary of the attacks on New York and Washington, at one of the palaces of ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in Tikrit, about 110 miles northwest of Baghdad Sept. 11, 2003. Security in Tikrit has been tightened for the second anniversary of Sept. 11. (Arko Datta/*******)

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American soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003, hold the unit color flags during a memorial service. More than 150 soldiers from the 4th infantry division attended the memorial service in memory of those who lost their lives from the terrorist attacks in America on September 11, 2001.(AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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Coalition soldiers and staff members stand for a moment of silence for the anniversary of the September 11 attacks under a giant bust of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) at the grounds of the former Rupublican Palace in Baghdad Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)



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U.S. soldier guards a street during a search operation in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites) September 10, 2003. A top U.S. commander said on September 11 that U.S. forces were winning the war against guerrilla opponents in Iraq and closing in on the elusive Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). 'I do believe he (Saddam) is in our area and every day we get closer to him,' Major General Ray Odierno told *******. Photo by Arko Datta/*******

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A wounded US soldier opens the door of a vehicle after a grenade attack in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.(AFP/File)

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An Iraqi boy stands with U.S. Army Sgt Luis Arroyo of the 101st airborne division during patroling a street in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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Soldiers from the Dominican Republic guard the entrance to the main bank in the central Iraqi city of Diwaniyaber 2003. US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) has given an upbeat assessment of Washington's diplomatic efforts to get other countries to share the security burden and help rebuild Iraq (news - web sites)(AFP/File/Thomas Coex)

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US soldiers set up wire at a check point in Baghdad. Fresh violence has surged in Iraq (news - web sites) with 22 attacks on US soldiers in 24 hours, including one killed Wednesday when a crude bomb he was trying to defuse went off.(AFP/Thomas Coex)

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A U.S. soldier of the 1st Battalion (22nd regiment) of the 4th infantry division compares an Iraqi youth's face with a photo of a wanted person during a search operation in Tikrit, September 10, 2003. Security in Tikrit, the hometown of the ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), has been tightened on the eve of the second anniversary of September 11. Photo by Arko Datta/*******

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Israeli soldiers occupy a building close to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s compound in the West Bank city of Ramallah. The US and the EU have warned Israel off moves to expel Arafat from the Palestinian territories.(AFP/File/Jamal Aruri)


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Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, right, listens to the Northern Fleet chief Adm. Gennady Suchkov aboard the Boronezh, one of Russia's largest and most advanced nuclear submarines, the same type as the Kursk, which exploded and sank during naval maneuvers in August 2000, in the arctic naval base of Vidyayevo in this Saturday, July 26, 2003 file photo, with the Voronezh sub captain, no name given, at center. Putin has suspended the chief of Russia's Northern Fleet, under fire after the sinking of a mothballed nuclear submarine which was blamed on official negligence, the Kremlin said Thursday. (AP Photo/ Str, File)

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German President Johannes Rau (R), accompanied by Chinese President Hu Jintao, reviews honor guards during a welcoming ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, September 11, 2003. Rau is on a seven-day visit to China for talks with Chinese leaders on improving bilateral ties. *******/Guang Niu

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Spine
09-11-2003, 11:23 AM
Lookin good Osama.

Gringo
09-11-2003, 12:00 PM
He'd look even better with a bullet in his head.

steel bonnet
09-11-2003, 12:03 PM
Bin Laden Looks good as Pakistan are taking Great care of him ;) ;)


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09-11-2003, 02:10 PM
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A Marine from the survellance and target acquisition platoon of 3rd Battalion, 23rd Marines, uses the scope of an M40-A3 sniper rifle to ensure that a passing Iraqi is not carrying a surface to air ground missile.
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09-11-2003, 05:22 PM
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An armed police officer guards the House of Parliament in London, Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. Earlier a memorial service was held in Grosvenor Square, opposite the U.S. Embassy, to honor those who lost their lives in the terror attacks two years ago. St. Stephens Tower, more commonly known as Big Ben, is seen at rear. (AP Photo/John D McHugh)


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L. Paul Bremer, U.S. civil administrator in Iraq, center, is accompanied by Jalal Talabani,left, leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan and a member of the Iraqi Governing Council, left, as he walks to a helicopter during his departure from the northern Iraqi city of Suleimaniya, Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. Bremer is on a two-day tour in the Kurdish dominated Northern Iraq to meet leading Kurdish leaders. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)

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American soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry division fire a mortar in Tikrit, Iraq, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003, Every evening the battalion mortar crew do a registration firing run as a show of force to any possible Saddam loyalists. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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U.S. soldiers salute during a memorial service at Bagram Air Base north of Kabul on September 11, 2003. U.S. and allied troops in Afghanistan held a memorial service on the second anniversary of the September 11 attacks on Thursday,

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Afghan Police guards on the road leading to the German base housing international peacekeepers after it came under rocket attack in Kabul, Afghanistan (news - web sites), Thursday night, Sept.11, 2003 (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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Esmad Ullah, an Afghan teenager now a soldier with Afghanistans national Army and former Northern Alliance fighter, holds his AK47 assault rifle over his shoulder as he leads Canadian soldiers up to their observation post outside Kabul Afghanistan Thursday Sept 11, 2003.(AP PHOTO/Tom Hanson)

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Canadian 3RCR Battlegroup Lieut. Jay Feyko (left) from Parry Sound, Ont. chats with an elder from a small village outside Kabul, Afghanistan, Thursday Sept 11, 2003. The Canadians are part of the International Security Assistance Force patrolling Kabul.(AP PHOTO/Tom Hanson)


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Italian troops patrol in the outskirts of Kabul Afghanistan Thursday, Sept.11, 2003. The Italian troops are part of the NATO led International Security Force patrolling around the Afghan capital Kabul. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)


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A group of alleged members of an outlawed paramilitary group are shown to the press at a police station in Medellin, Colombia, 150 miles northwest of Bogota, where they were captured Thursday, Sept. 11,2003. During the raids that took place in various Medellin neighborhoods 20 people were captured, police said.(AP Photo/ Luis Benavides)


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Chilean President Ricardo Lagos enters a side door at the Presidential Palace of La Moneda in Santiago, Chile, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. Lagos reopened the door known as Morande 80, 30 years later after it was blocked during the 1973-90 dictatorship of Gen. Augusto Pinochet. The body of Marxist President Salvador Allende was removed through that door after the coup that ended his presidency on Sept. 11, 1973. (AP Photo/Felix Alonso)

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Cuban soldiers stand guard by a statue of former President of Chile, Salvador Allende on the President Avenue, in Havana, Cuba on Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. The 30th anniversary of Allende's death was commemorated Thursday.. (AP Photo/Cristobal Herrera)

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Chilean former dictator Gen. Augusto Pinochet attends a ceremony in wich he donated his first presidential sash, while his grandchildren look on, outside his residence in Santiago, Chile, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. Pinochet led the military coup against the late President Salvador Allende Sept. 11, 1973. Today is the 30th anniversary. (AP Photo/Martin Thomas)

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Chilean police officers march in front of La Moneda Presidential Palace during the tradidional change of guard, in Santiago, Chile, Thursday, Sep. 11, 2003. The palace was partially destroyed by fire after the heavy air and ground attack in the Sep. 11, 1973 military coup led by Gen. Augusto Pinochet against leftist President Salvador Allende. (AP Photo/Roberto Candia)


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Sgt. First Class William Stephens holds an Ameican flag as he and fellow U.S. soldiers attend an evening vigil at the Al-Salam palace in Baghdad Thursday Sept. 11, 2003 to remember the victims of the September 11 attacks in the United States. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)

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A riot police officer is set on fire after protesting miners attacked police with burning objects during a 7,000-strong demonstration in Warsaw Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. Miners from the southern region of Silesia marched through downtown Warsaw to protest against the government's plans to close four coal mines. (AP Photo/Alik Keplicz)

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The Swedish flag flies at half staff at City Hall in Malmo, Sweden Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh was stabbed at a store on Wednesday and died Thursday morning. (AP Photo/John McConnico)

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, right, escorts Swedish Foreign Affairs Minister and then European Union representative Anna Lindh to his headquarters prior to their meeting in Gaza City in this March 12, 2001 file photo. Lindh died in a hospital early Thursday morning, Sept. 11, 2003, after being stabbed several times in the arms, chest and stomach at a department store in Stockholm the day before. (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours, file)

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Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, right, shakes hands with Swedish Foreign Affairs Minister and then European Union representative Anna Lindh, before their meeting at the prime minister's office in Jerusalem in this Tuesday, March 13, 2001 file photo. Anna Lindh died in hospital early Thursday morning, Sept. 11, 2003, after being stabbed several times in the arms, chest and stomach at a department store in Stockholm the day before. (AP Photo/Eyal Warshavsky, file)


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Wreckage is seen in front of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's compound, background, in the West Bank town of Ramallah Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. Overnight, Israeli troops took over two buildings _ the Palestinian Culture Ministry and an uninhabited structure _ overlooking Arafat's headquarters in Ramallah. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) speaks to thousands of supporters outside his battered office in the West Bank City of Ramallah. Arafat was hailed by thousands of supporters as he ventured out of his headquarters after the Israeli government had given the green light to his expulsion.(AFP/Jamal Aruri)

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Pakistani police officers stand guard in front of the U. S. Consulate Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003 in Karachi, Pakistan. Authorities increased up security around U.S. facilities on the day of terrorist attacks on the United States two years ago. (AP Photo/Shakil Adil)

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Indian army soldiers cover the body of suspected militants killed in an encounter at an army camp in Poonch sector, 210 kilometers (131 miles) west of Jammu, India, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. The militants were killed on Sept. 10 night near the Line of Control between India and Pakistan. (AP Photo/Channi Anand)

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A local Kashmiri man helps a wounded person after a grenade attack in Srinagar India, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. At least two people were killed and 12 other injured when suspected Islamic militants hurled a grenade at a paramilitary post in a crowded shopping area in the Indian portion of Kashmir. (AP Photo/Mukhtar Khan)

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French President Jacques Chirac, left, makes a point during a press conference with Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar upon his arrival at the Quintos de Mora state ranch 120 kilometers south of Madrid Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. Chirac is on a one-day visit to Spain. (AP Photo/Denis Doyle)


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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak listens to questions after talks in Rome's Villa Madama residence, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. Mubarak is in Italy for a three-day official visit. (AP Photo/Corrado Giambalvo)

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Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi, left, and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak shake hands prior to official talks in Rome's Villa Madama residence, Thursday Sept. 11, 2003. Mubarak is in Italy for a three-day official visit. (AP Photo/Massimo Sambucetti)

Seraphim
09-12-2003, 03:26 AM
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US soldiers bow their heads in tribute to the victims of the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US at a ceremony at Bagram Airbase some 50 kms north of Kabul. Some 10,000 US troops serving in Afghanistan (news - web sites) commemorated the second anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks which led to the fall of the Taliban. Hundreds of US, Italian and Thai soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines gathered for a brief but solemn open air ceremony to remember the victims of the terrorist atrocities in New York and Washington(AFP/Shah Marai)


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President Bush (news - web sites) shakes hands with Staff Sgt. Ethan Craig of Chester, Mass., after awarding him The Purple Heart at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003. Visiting with patients who were injured while serving in Operation Iraqi Freedom, President Bush awarded 11 Purple Hearts. (AP Photo/The White House, Paul Morse)

He219
09-12-2003, 10:12 AM
Today's Pic's...

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Armed Slovak special police forces are on guard on a roof top as pope John Paul II passes through the main square of the town of Banska Bystrica, central Slovakia, on Friday, Sept.12, 2003, on the second day of his four-day-visit to Slovakia. (AP Photo/Diether Endlicher)


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Albania's President Alfred Moisiu, second left and the U.S. Ambassador to Albania James F. Jeffrey, second right, meet Albanian special commando troops at Zallherr military base, 15 kilometers (10 miles) from Tirana, Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003 at a ceremony to commemorate the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in America. The special army troops are engaged with U.S. Army soldiers in joint military exercises. (AP Photo/Hektor Pustina)


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Two Mujahedeen e-Khalq (MEK) militants man a checkpoint near the Iranian border. The US military denied reports that it was allowing the MEK to mount attacks from Iraq (news - web sites).(AFP/File/Roberto Schmidt)

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A British soldier on patrol in the southern Iraqi city of Basra.(AFP/Ahmad Al-Rubaye)


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A British soldier checks a man in the southern Iraqi city of Basra. Britain will send at least another 1,200 troops to Iraq (news - web sites) in the coming weeks, Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon said 08 September 2003, boosting its military presence in the country to over 11,000.(AFP/Ahmad Al-Rubaye)

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A US military convoy moves past the palace of ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in Tikrit, 175 kilometers (110 miles) north of Baghdad. Tikrit was the last major Iraqi town to fall to US forces in the war.(AFP/Robert Sullivan)

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United States Army soldiers stand in front of the Stars and Stripes flag during a commemoration for the victims of attacks on New York's World Trade Center and Washington's Pentagon (news - web sites) two years ago, at a former palace in Baghdad of toppled Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) September 11, 2003. *******/Laszlo Balogh

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This is a July 2003 handout photo of U.S. Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nev., second from right, with an unidentified soldier in Iraq (news - web sites). Gibbons says the United States is safer than it was two years ago and progress is being made in Iraq. The Nevada Republican issued an eight-page report Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003, entitled 'Protecting America - Progress in Action.' In it, he outlines general accomplishments in homeland security and the war on terrorism as well as specific military operations in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq. (AP Photo/HouseSelect Intelligence Committee)

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An Iraqi worker hauls a sack of rice donated by the United States at an open black market in the Sadr City locality of Baghdad. The goods, stolen from various international relief agencies, are in turn being sold in a thriving black market(AFP/Thomas Coex)

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As flames shoot out of the end of the barrel, American soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division take cover as they fire a mortar during the early hours of the morning in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Thursday, Sept. 11, 2003, Every evening the 1/22 Battalion mortar crew do a registration firing run as a show of force to any possible Saddam loyalists. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Joseph Robsky Jr., 31, of Elizaville, N.Y., in this undated photo, was killed Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), when a when a bomb exploded as he tried to deactivate it. Robsky was assigned to the 759th Ordnance Company out of Fort Irwin, Calif. Robsky, a 1990 graduate of Hudson High School, served in the Marines and Marine reserves before deciding to enlist in the Army. (AP Photo/U.S. Army)

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Iraqi men jubilate, shouting God is great , in this image from television after a US army convoy was attacked in Khaldia, 30 km (18 miles) west of Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites) Thursday Sept 11 2003. Witnesses claim that Iraqi 'mujahedeen' ambushed the convoy with rocket propelled grenades, destroying at least three vehicles before US reinforcements arrived. At least one US soldier was wounded. (AP Photo/APTN)

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A tank speeds past a burning transporter vehicle in this image from television after a US army convoy was attacked in Khaldia, 30 km (18 miles) west of Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites) Thursday Sept 11 2003. Witnesses claim that Iraqi 'mujahedeen' ambushed the convoy with rocket propelled grenades, destroying at least three vehicles before US reinforcements arrived. At least one US soldier was wounded. (AP Photo/APTN)


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A burning transporter vehicle is seen in this image from television after a US army convoy was attacked in Khaldia, 30 km (18 miles) west of Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites) Thursday Sept 11 2003. Witnesses claim that Iraqi 'mujahedeen' ambushed the convoy with rocket propelled grenades, destroying at least three vehicles before US reinforcements arrived. At least one US soldier was wounded. (AP Photo/APTN)


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Iraqis celebrate by stepping on a burning U.S. Army Humvee vehicle folling an attack near the restive Iraqi town of Falluja, September 12, 2003. A roadside bomb destroyed a U.S. military Humvee west of Baghdad on Friday, wounding three Americans, witnesses said. They said the Humvee was driving in a convoy on a road outside the town of Falluja, 50 km (32 miles) west of the Iraqi capital, when the bomb exploded. *******/Akram Saleh


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An Iraqi policeman lies injured in a hospital in the restive Iraqi town of Falluja September 12, 2003 after being wounded by U.S. troops in a friendly fire incident. American troops killed eight members of a local U.S.-backed security force and three thieves in an ambush west of Baghdad early Friday after mistaking them for guerrillas, witnesses said. *******/Akram Saleh


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An Iraqi policeman lies injured in a hospital in the restive Iraqi town of Falluja September 12, 2003 after being wounded by U.S. troops in a friendly fire incident. American troops killed eight members of a local U.S.-backed security force and three thieves in an ambush west of Baghdad early Friday after mistaking them for guerillas, witnesses said. *******/Akram Saleh


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Two U.S. soldiers were killed and another seven wounded during a pre-dawn raid in the heartland of anti-American resistance to the occupation of Iraq (news - web sites), the U.S. military said on September 12, 2003. The latest casualties came during an exchange of gunfire in Ramadi, a town 60 miles west of Baghdad in the so- called 'Sunni Triangle', where support for deposed dictator Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) is strongest. (******* Graphic)


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US soldiers man a checkpoint on a highway near Fallujah(AFP/File/Luke Hunt)

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A United States F/A18 Hornet pilot receives directions after landing his jet fighter at an airbase at Townsville in northern Queensland, September 11, 2003. The jet and pilot, from the United States Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 224, also known as the "Fighting Bengals," based in Beaufort, South Carolina and are part of joint military exercises between the U.S. and Australia in the country's north for the month of September. About 10,000 Australian troops and their United States counterparts from Navy and Marine forces from the U.S. Pacific Command are taking part in the month-long exercise called "Operation Crocodile 2003" designed to exercise and train Australian and U.S. forces in the planning and conduct of an Australian-led and US-supported combined operation. Picture taken September 11, 2003. EDITORIAL USE ONLY *******/Australian Defence Force/Corporal Mark Eaton

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Armed members of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s mainstream Fatah (news - web sites) movement guard one of the entrances of the refugee camp of Ain el-Helweh in southern Lebanon during demonstrations in support of Arafat(AFP/Anwar Amro)

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat attends Friday prayers at a mosque adjacent to his headquarters in the West Bank town of Ramallah, September 12, 2003. Israel faced an international outcry Friday over its decision to "remove" Arafat, a threat that drew tens of thousands of supporters into the streets to rally to his defense. *******/Goran Tomasevic

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Jewish worshippers run for safety at Judaism's Western Wall after Palestinians hurled rocks at them from the holy site Muslims call al-Haram al-Sharif (Noble Sanctuary) and Jews revere as Temple Mount above in Jerusalem's Old City, September 12, 2003. Israeli police stormed the compound outside Jerusalem's al-Aqsa mosque on Friday after Palestinians angered by Israel's threats against Yasser Arafat hurled rocks at worshippers at Judaism's Western Wall below. *******/Gil Cohen Magen

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French President Jacques Chirac, right, and Denis Sassou Nguesso, President of the Republic of Congo, are framed by two Republican Guards as they chat following their meeting at the Elysee Palace in Paris, Friday, Sept. 12, 2003. (AP Photo/Francois Mori)


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U.S. and Indian army personnel climb down a mountain during an Indo-U.S. joint military exercise in Leh, 434 kilometers (270 miles) northeast of Srinagar, September 11, 2003. A 31-member U.S. Army team is participating in a three-week mountain warfare exercise with their Indian counterparts in Indian Kashmir (news - web sites), 4,390 meters (14402 feet) above sea level near the Chinese border. *******/Fayaz Kabli

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U.S. army personnel inspect a cliff during an Indo-U.S. joint military exercise in Leh, 434 kilometers (270 miles) northeast of Srinagar, September 11, 2003. A 31-member team from the U.S. army is participating in a three-week mountain warfare exercise with their Indian counterparts in Indian Kashmir (news - web sites), 4390 meters (14402 feet) above sea level near the Chinese border. *******/Fayaz Kabli

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Japanese experts handle a bomb containing toxic gas in Shijiazhuang, central Hebei Province, Septemeber 12, 2003. The Japanese experts arrived on September 6 to dispose of 52 bombs which were found in 1991. One person died last month in Northeast China from mustard gas that leaked from canisters left behind from World War II by the Japanese Army and recently unearthed accidentally. *******/China Photo

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Chechen rebel President Aslan Maskhadov, shouts 'Allah Akbar" during anti-Russian rally in Grozny(AFP/Alexander Nemenov)

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Chechen police officer stands in front of an election poster of Akhmad Kadyrov, Chechnya (news - web sites)'s acting president, during an election campaign in support of Kadyrov in Grozny, Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003. Kadyrov, head of the Moscow-appointed administration in Chechnya, is one of 10 people running in the Oct. 5 election. He considers himself the only real candidate and denied he has the backing of the Kremlin. (AP Photo/Musa Sadulayev)


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A Russian soldier gestures, as he guards the entrance to the central Electoral Commission in Grozny, with a poster calling on citizens to take part in the presidential elections in Chechnya (news - web sites) campaigning for which started Friday(AFP/File/Alexander Nemenov)

Saranof
09-12-2003, 11:09 AM
i gotta take hendrix's side here. what would you like Israel to do? just sit back and get bombed everyday and not even try to eliminate the threats? the fact of the matter is that if the IDF didnt come down on these ppl then Israel would'nt even exist anymore. Palestine has been offered countless deals to have its own nation and have peace, but the fact of the matter is that they wont be satisfied until Israel doesnt exist anymore. everybod over there wants peace but if the Arabs/Palestinians dont stop bombing buses full of innocent people then the IDF wont stop coming down on them, and comin down hard. from way over here in America, i can say the IDF seems harsh, but they almost have to be if they care anything about their country, which they do...


I hate to remind you of the fact that is ISRAEL who stated. THEY started taking more land. THEY put the palestinians into camps. THEY bulldoze palestinan houses, and build settlemsnts over them.

ArmoredDov_D9
09-12-2003, 11:25 AM
i gotta take hendrix's side here. what would you like Israel to do? just sit back and get bombed everyday and not even try to eliminate the threats? the fact of the matter is that if the IDF didnt come down on these ppl then Israel would'nt even exist anymore. Palestine has been offered countless deals to have its own nation and have peace, but the fact of the matter is that they wont be satisfied until Israel doesnt exist anymore. everybod over there wants peace but if the Arabs/Palestinians dont stop bombing buses full of innocent people then the IDF wont stop coming down on them, and comin down hard. from way over here in America, i can say the IDF seems harsh, but they almost have to be if they care anything about their country, which they do...


I hate to remind you of the fact that is ISRAEL who stated. THEY started taking more land. THEY put the palestinians into camps. THEY bulldoze palestinan houses, and build settlemsnts over them.

WRONG. The refugees camp were built to Palestinian by the Jordans. In 1994, Arafat got billions of dollar from US and Europe to put his people out of the camp into decent settlements. The money went for bombs against Jews and not for sewer-systems or anything constructive.

Not to mention that Palestinian refugees camps are exist all over the Arab world - including Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt. Did Israel built them too?

He219
09-12-2003, 12:29 PM
I hate to remind you of the fact that is ISRAEL who stated. THEY started taking more land. THEY put the palestinians into camps. THEY bulldoze palestinan houses, and build settlemsnts over them.


WRONG. The refugees camp were built to Palestinian by the Jordans. In 1994, Arafat got billions of dollar from US and Europe to put his people out of the camp into decent settlements. The money went for bombs against Jews and not for sewer-systems or anything constructive.

Not to mention that Palestinian refugees camps are exist all over the Arab world - including Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt. Did Israel built them too?

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More than three million Palestinian refugees live in the 59 UN-operated refugee camps and surrounding areas. The largest number of refugees is in Jordan, with nearly 240,000 reported to be in camps and another 1.3 million living outside of the camps.

The UN also operates refugee camps in these regions (with their refugee populations):

Syria (383,000)
Gaza Strip (363,000)
Lebanon (376,500)
Saudi Arabia (275,000)
West Bank (132,000)
Iraq (90,000)
Egypt (40,500)
Libya (8,500)
Algeria (4,000)
Tunisia (300)

According to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), Palestinian refugees "are persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1949 Arab-Israeli conflict." UNRWA estimates the number of registered Palestinian refugees has grown from 914,000 in 1950 to more than 3.8 million in 2001, and keeps rising.

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Israeli police officers secure the Lions' Gate, one of the entrances to east Jerusalem's Old City and the grounds of the disputed Al Aqsa Mosque compound, Friday Sept. 12, 2003. Israeli police entered the compound and secured the area after Palestinians started throwing stones folowing Friday Muslim noon prayers. The compound, known to Muslims as Haram as-Sharif, or Noble Sanctuary, and to Jews as the Temple Mount, site of their biblical temples, is the most sensitive spot in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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Israeli police officers secure the grounds of the disputed Al Aqsa Mosque compound in east Jerusalem's Old City Friday Sept. 12, 2003. Israeli riot police entered the compound and secured the area after Palestinians started throwing stones folowing Friday Muslim noon prayers. The compound, known to Muslims as Haram as-Sharif, or Noble Sanctuary, and to Jews as the Temple Mount, site of their biblical temples, is the most sensitive spot in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)

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Palestinians pray under Hamas grafitti reading "revenge is coming" at a mosque in the Nuseirat Refugee Camp in the southern Gaza Strip Friday, Sept. 12, 2003. In dozens of cities in the West Bank and Gaza pro-Arafat rallies were held protesting the Israeli Government's announcement that it decided "in principle" to deport the Palestinian leader. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

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A Jordanian army soldier is positioned atop the heavily damaged Jordanian Red Cescent Hosiptal in Fallujah. US troops killed 10 Iraqi security men and a Jordanian bodyguard in Fallujah early Friday.(AFP/Karim Sahib)

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Iraqi police stand guard near the Baghdad hotel after a shootout in Baghdad, Iraq, Friday Sept. 12, 2003. A gun fight broke out on the east bank of the Tigris River in central Baghdad as police chased a suspected carjacking gang and captured three men. There were no injuries. The Baghdad Hotel is believed to house many American security officials. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)


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A plainclothes American security personel, left, and an Iraqi policeman take cover during a shootout near the Baghdad hotel in Baghdad, Iraq, Friday Sept. 12, 2003. A gun fight broke out on the east bank of the Tigris River in central Baghdad as police chased a suspected carjacking gang and captured three men. There were no injuries. The Baghdad Hotel is believed to house many American security officials. (AP Photo/Samir Mezban)


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A U.S. Army soldier takes cover as an Iraqi man runs away during a shootout in Baghdad, Iraq, Friday Sept. 12, 2003. A gun fight broke out on the east bank of the Tigris River in central Baghdad as police chased a suspected carjacking gang and captured three men. There were no injuries. The hotel is believed to house many American security officials. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)

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An Iraqi woman seeks shelter at the entrance of the Imam Ali mosque in Najaf, 165 kilometers south of Baghdad, behind an armed member of the Shiite Badr brigade, Friday, Sept 12, 2003 after shots were fired by unknown gunmen near the mosque just before Friday prayers.(AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)

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A U.S. Army soldier searches an Iraqi man at a checkpoint near the Baghdad Hotel during a shootout in Baghdad, Iraq, Friday Sept. 12, 2003. A gun fight broke out on the east bank of the Tigris River in central Baghdad as police chased a suspected carjacking gang and captured three men. The hotel is believed to house many American security officials. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)

FallenAngel
09-12-2003, 06:50 PM
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Hmm....any guesses? CIA? DynCorp?

Gordon
09-12-2003, 07:28 PM
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is that cigarette in his mouth ... ;) .

Ratamacue
09-12-2003, 07:35 PM
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I didn't realize the Airborne guys still used those logos on their helmets (different card sets for different regiments). Don't remember seeing that in 'Stan or even elsewhere in Iraq.

He219
09-14-2003, 03:05 AM
FallenAngel: South Africans, for hire. Really. They are part of the ex-NYC Police Guy's CPD. See the Close Protection Section.

Today's pic's:

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US soldiers pull out of the parking lot of the Jordanian Hospital, seen behind them charred and full of bullet holes, as they patrol the area Saturday Sept. 13, 2003 in Fallujah. U.S. soldiers mistakenly opened fire on a group of Iraqi policemen killing eight Iraqis and wounding seven others including a guard at the Jordanian Hospita Friday. It was the deadliest friendly fire incident since the end of major fighting. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)


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Family members of Farhad Hameed Al-Jaffe and Iraqi police officer, cry next to his casket during his funeral in Fallujah Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Al-Jaffe, along with seven others, were killed early Friday when U.S. soldiers mistakenly opened fire on a group of Iraqi police officers. (AP Photo/Samir Mezban)

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An Iraqi policeman stand over the coffin of a slain Iraqi policeman in Fallujah Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Eight people were killed when U.S. soldiers mistakenly opened fire on a group of Iraqi policemen in the deadliest friendly fire incident since the end of major fighting in Iraq. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)

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Family members of Farhad Hameed Al-Jaffe, cry next to his casket during his funeral in Fallujah Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Al-Jaffe, along with seven others, were killed when U.S. soldiers mistakenly opened fire on a group of Iraqi policemen in the deadliest friendly fire incident since the end of major fighting in Iraq. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)


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Iraqis scream as they fire into the air during the funeral of slain police officers in Fallujah, Iraq Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Eight iraqi police and one Jordanian national were killed when U.S. soldiers mistakenly opened fire on a group of Iraqi police. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)

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A Palestinian man chants anti-Israeli slogans as he and other mourners carry the body of Fathi Bolbol during his funeral procession in the northern West Bank town of Nablus Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Israeli troops chased Palestinian militants through the narrow alleys of Nablus' Old City early Saturday, setting off intense gunbattles that killed Bolbol, 80, apparently when he went to a window to see what was happening. His son Bashar, 35, said the elderly man was found dead struck by gunfire on the floor next to his bed and his room was riddled with bullets. (AP Photo/Majdi Mohammed)

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Palestinian students chant anti-Israeli slogans as they protest in support of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat at the university of the northern West Bank town of Nablus Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. (AP Photo/Majdi Mohammed)

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, center, smiles as Israeli peace activists Latif Dori, left, Uri Averny, right, flash the "V"sign to hundreds of school children and supporters who packed into Arafat's compound to support him in the West Bank town of Ramallah Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. The two Israeli activists came to Ramallah to support Palestinian leader as Israel threatens to send him into exile or further isolate him. (AP Photo/Muhammed Nasser)

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat salutes hundreds of school children and supporters gathered in front of his headquarters in the West Bank town of Ramallah, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. On the 10th anniversary of the signing of the Oslo peace accords, Arafat on Saturday urged Israel to return to peace talks, days after Israeli leaders threatened to send him into exile. (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)

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School children and a woman chant slogans supporting Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat during a pro-Arafat rally in the West Bank town of Ramallah Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. On the 10th anniversary of the signing of the Oslo peace accords, Arafat on Saturday urged Israel to return to peace talks, days after Israeli leaders threatened to send him into exile. Arafat's office with bullet proof shutters is seen in the background. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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A Palestinian bystander, backdropped by an Israeli forces jeep, runs to find cover during clashes between the forces and Palestinian demonstrators protesting in support of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in the southern West Bank town of Halhul, adjacent to the city of Hebron, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Some 100 youths broke away from the protest throwing stones at Israeli soldiers manning a checkpoint on the outskirts of the town. The soldiers responded by firing rubber-coated steel bullets and tear gas. There were no reports of injuries. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

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Palestinian schoolgirls run to find cover during clashes between Israeli forces and Palestinian demonstrators protesting in support of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in the southern West Bank town of Halhul, adjacent to the city of Hebron, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Some 100 youths broke away from the protest, throwing stones at Israeli soldiers manning a checkpoint on the outskirts of the town. The soldiers responded by firing rubber-coated steel bullets and tear gas. There were no reports of injuries. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)


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Palestinians try to find cover during clashes between Israeli forces and Palestinian demonstrators protesting in support of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in the southern West Bank town of Halhul, adjacent to the city of Hebron, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003.




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Sgt. Charles Darrah, 29, of University Heights, Ohio from the 362 Psychological Operations company in Tikrit, Iraq, Sept. 13, 2003, distributes information leaflets explaining the change of the Iraqi currency. Due to the lack of local communication such as television, psychological operations is entrusted with communicating the humanitarian message to Iraq and is a direct liaison between the military and the people. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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Pfc. Richards Thompson, 21, of Houston Texas from the 362 Psychological Operations company in Tikrit, Iraq, Sept. 13, 2003, hands out information leaflets explaining about the change of the Iraqi currency. Due to the lack of local communication such as television, Psychological operations is entrusted with with communicating the humanitarian message to Iraq and is a direct liaison between the military and the people. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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Pfc. Guillermo Rodriguez, 24, of Elipaso Texas, from the 362 Psychological Operations company in Tikrit, Iraq, Sept. 13, 2003, rides one of the local children's bikes during a village visit. Due to the lack of local communication such as television, Psychological operations is entrusted with with communicating the humanitarian message to Iraq and is a direct liaison between the military and the people. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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Pfc. Malcolm Mosely, 30, of Cleveland, Ohio from the 362 Psychological Operations company in Tikrit, Iraq, Sept. 13, 2003, checks out an Iraqi souvenir being sold by children in a small local village. Due to the lack of local communication such as television, psychological operations is entrusted with with communicating the humanitarian message to Iraq and is a direct liaison between the military and the people. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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US Secretary of State Colin Powell, U.N. General Secretary Kofi Annan, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanonv, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, from right, listen to questions from journalists after a meeting between Annan and the Foreign Ministers of the permanent members of the Security Council in Geneva, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. The meeting was about the situation in Iraq. (AP Photo/Michael Probst)


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U.S. Army 1st Sgt. Ben Jones of the 101st Airborne Division patrols the streets in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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U.S. Army Pvt. 2nd Class Jimmy Robinson of the 101st airborne division patrol a street in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)


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U.S. Army's 101st Airborne division officers, soldiers with Iraqi police officers patrol an outdoor market in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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U.S. Army soldiers of the 101st Airborne Aivision patrol a street in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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U.S. Army Spc Daniel Costner of the 101st Airborne Division patrols a street market in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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Surrounded by bodyguards, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat tries to reach for the hand of a supporter while hundreds are gathered to support him outside his office in the West Bank town of Ramallah Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)

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Palestinian gunmen loyal to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement crowd the steps of the Palestinian legislature during a rally in Gaza City, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Hundreds of people including gunmen took to the streets to support the Palestinian leader. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

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A young boy carries an automatic rifle that was put around his neck at a pro-Yasser Arafat rally in Gaza City, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Hundreds of people including gunmen took to the streets to support the Palestinian leader. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

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Palestinian gunmen loyal to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement chant during a pro-Arafat rally, in Gaza City, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. Separate Fatah marches converged on the Palestinian Legislative Council to express support for Arafat, in the wake of the recent announcement by Israel that it had decided "in principle" to expel the Palestinian leader. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

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Palestinian gunmen loyal to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement chant and make the "victory" sign, some carrying home-made rockets, during a pro-Arafat march and procession in Gaza City, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. Separate Fatah marches converged on the Palestinian Legislative Council to express support for Arafat, in the wake of the recent announcement by Israel that it had decided "in principle" to expel the Palestinian leader. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)


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Venezuelan engineer and sports enthusiast Jose Manuel Raga swam from Punta Garcia in the Paria Peninsula as a goodwill gesture between Venezuela and Trininad to the Coast Guard headquarters in at Staubles Bay in Chaguaramas, Trinidad on Friday Sept. 12, 2003.

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School students watch as a former Mujahedeen fighter dances around, for money, as he balances himself only on his crutches in Kabul, Afghanistan Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003.(AP Photo/Tom Hanson)

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A bare foot pupil Aziza, 7, reads from a textbook in her classroom on Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003 in Kabul, Afghanistan. (AP Photo/Amir Shah)

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ECOMIL soldiers from Benin receive instructions from their commanders as they prepare for deployment, in Harbel, Liberia, Saturday, Sept. 13, 2003. West African peacekeepers pushed deeper into unsecured countryside Saturday. (AP Photo/Pewee Flomoku)

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Ecomil soldiers from Benin receive instructions from their commanders as they prepare for deployment, in Harbel, Liberia, Saturday Sept. 13, 2003. West African peacekeepers pushed deeper into unsecured countryside Saturday. (AP Photo/Pewee Flomoku)

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Indian police officers inspect gelatin sticks recovered from a car after Naseer, the prime suspect in the Aug. 25 car bombings, and another man were shot dead by police in a gunfight in Bombay, India, Friday, Sept. 12, 2003. (AP Photo/Rajesh Nirgude)

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A soldier on horseback jumps over other soldiers during a cavalry show in Warsaw Saturday Sept.13, 2003. (AP Photo/Alik Keplicz)

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There is nothing like the Polish Light Cavalry! woot

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American soldier Sgt. 1st Class Gilbert Nail of Clayton Okla. from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division enjoys a light moment with a puppy on the roadside during a night patrol in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Friday, Sept. 12, 2003. Patrols are an ongoing exercise in Iraq as a show of force to attempt to reduce the activities of possible Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) loyalists. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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US soldiers from the 720 Military Police battalion after a raid on a village near the Jabal Hambin ridge, 30 kilometers north-east of Tikrit, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003.

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A US soldier from the 720 Military Police battalion kicks in a door during a raid on a village near the Jabal Hambin ridge, 30 kilometers north-east of Tikrit, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003.

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A US soldier center, from the 720 Military Police battalion places weapons on the ground for the Iraqi police to inspect during a raid on a village near the Jabal Hambin ridge, 30 kilometers north-east of Tikrit, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. The dawn raid which yielded 7 arrests, was launched to catch known highway thieves and car jackers was a joint operation between the Iraqi and U.S. military police. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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US soldiers Master Sgt. Generali, left, Sgt. Laws right, from the 720 Military Police battalion and an Iraqi police officer all look at a of a photo of a suspect during a raid on a village near the Jabal Hambin ridge, 30 kilometers north-east of Tikrit, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. The dawn raid which yielded 7 arrests, was launched to catch known highway thieves and car jackers was a joint operation between the Iraqi and U.S. military police (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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An Iraqi police officer opens a door to search a dwelling during a raid on a village near the Jabal Hambin ridge, 30 kilometers north-east of Tikrit, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. The dawn raid which yielded 7 arrests, was launched to catch known highway thieves and car jackers was a joint operation between the Iraqi and U.S. military police. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)


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A Bedouin tribesmen moves his flock to new grazing grounds near Tikrit, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003, past an American armored vehicle keeping watch in the desert. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)



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U.S. Navy ship USS Essex, at back, arrives at the former U.S. naval base in Subic, northern Philippines, on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. About 1,500 U.S. Marines, participating in a week-long military exercise with their Philippine counterparts, arrived on board three Navy ships. (AP Photo/Jun Dumaguing)


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U.S. Marines line up as they disembark at the former U.S. Naval base in Subic, northern Philippines on Sunday Sept. 14, 2003. About 1,500 U.S. Marines, participating in a week-long military exercise with their Philippine counterparts, arrived on board three Navy ships. (AP Photo/Aaron Favila)


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A U.S. Marine, second from left, stands beside Philippine troops at the former U.S. naval base in Subic, northern Philippines, on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. About 1,500 U.S. Marines, participating in a week-long military exercise with their Philippine counterparts, arrived on board three Navy ships. (AP Photo/Aaron Favila)



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Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon laughs with his Vice Prime Minister Ehud Olmert at the start of his weekly cabinet meeting at the Prime Minister's office, in Jerusalem, Aug. 10, 2003. Olmert told Israeli radio on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003, that killing Yasser Arafat is an option open to Israel following a decision to remove the Palestinian leader. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

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Thousands of Palestinians who packed into Yasser Arafat's compound to support him, dance as a band plays traditional music in the West Bank town of Ramallah, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. Israel's vice prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said Sunday that killing Yasser Arafat is an option being considered following a decision to "remove" the Palestinian leader. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's security guard stands on the rubble of the partly destroyed compound as he watches thousands of supporters who packed into Arafat headquarters in the West Bank town of Ramallah Sunday Sept. 14, 2003.

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A Palestinian youth uses a sling to launch a stone at an Israeli military position during clashes as part of a pro-Yasser Arafat demonstration near Kfar Darom in central Gaza Strip Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003.

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Palestinian youth Mohammed El Baz, 18, lies in a hospital bed as he is visited by his mother after being shot in the leg during clashes with Israeli troops as part of a pro-Yasser Arafat demonstration near Kfar Darom in central Gaza Strip Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. Palestinian witnesses reported that seven youths were wounded when Israeli soldiers used live rounds. (AP Photo/Hatam Moussa)


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Russian President Vladimir Putin, center, speaks with former President George Bush, right, shortly upon Bush's arrival in the Black Sea resort city of Sochi, Russia, Sunday, Sept. 14 , 2003. Others are unidentified. Bush, on a private visit to Russia less than two weeks ahead of his son's summit with Putin, arrived Sunday in Sochi and was greeted warmly at the airport by the Russian leader. (AP Photo/Mikhail Metzel, Pool)



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United States Army troops investigate the scene of a fatal blast as a destroyed Humvee vehicle is towed away near the restive central Iraq town of Fallujah September 14. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell confronted the cost of the U.S.-led occupation head-on when he flew into Iraq on Sunday just an hour after a bomb attack killed another U.S. soldier. *******/Akram Saleh


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US Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites), center, walks with L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. civilian administrator for Iraq (news - web sites) during his arrival at a US air base in Baghdad, Iraq in this image from television Sunday Sept. 14, 2003. (AP Photo/Pool)

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*Smootch...

US Secretary of State Colin Powell, left, looks on as L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. civilian administrator for Iraq, greets with a freeedom-kiss Saeed Hussein Al-Sadr, a senior Iraqi Shiite cleric before private talks in Baghdad, Iraq Sunday Sept. 14, 2003. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)


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U.S. Army soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division ready to break into a house during a raid in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003.

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U.S. Army soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division search a house during a raid in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003.

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U.S. Army soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division search a house during a raid in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. Two persons were arrested during the raid. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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U.S. Army Ssg Stephen Tofanea of the 101st Airborne Division guards coniscated arms during a raid in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. Two persons were arrested during the raid. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)

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U.S. Army soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division guard two Iraqi men arrested during a raid in Mosul, 400 kms (250 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. (AP Photo/Misha Japaridze)



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Uruguay's President Jorge Batlle, center, is escorted by US Army Puerto Rico National Guard, General Roque Nido, during the official welcome protocol in his first visit to to Puerto Rico at the Puerto Rico National Guard Muniz Base in San Juan on Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. Batlle arrived to Puerto Rico in an three day official visit in hopes of boosting trade with this U.S. Caribbean territory. (AP Photo/ HERMINIO J. RODRIGUEZ)


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The popemobile carrying pope John Paul II is backdropped against the Bratislava Castle as the papal motorcade crosses a bridge over the Danube River on its way to a Mass in the suburbs of Bratislava, western Slovakia, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. The mass marked the last lap of the pontiff's four-day-visit to Slovakia. (AP Photo/Petr David Josek)

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Afghanistan

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030909-N-9907G-501 An F/A-18C from VFA-15 Valion Pride squadron makes it final appoach for landing aboard USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT (CVN 71), Sept. 9, 2003. The nuclear powered aircraft carrier is currently conducting trainig in the Atlantic Ocean. (US Navy photo by PH2 Floyd Grimm) (Released)

Injured Crew Members Medevaced After F/A-18 Hornet Mishap (http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=9492)
Five crew members have been medically evacuated with injuries from USS George Washington (CVN 73) following a mishap during an arrested landing by an F/A-18 Hornet on the flight deck Sept. 11.

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Two British soldiers, from the 1 Kings Own Scottish Borderers, joke with Iraqi children during a routine patrol north of the Southern Iraqi city of Basra September 14, 2003. Hoshiyar Zebari, recently appointed foreign minister of Iraq (news - web sites), said security would have a major bearing on when Iraqis could take full control of the country, where more than 150,000 foreign soldiers are trying to establish law and order. *******/Aladin Abdel Naby

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Major Stuart Irvine, from the 1 Kings Own Scottish Borderers, inspects live ordinance found about 150 km (90 miles) north of the southern Iraqi city of Basra September 14, 2003. Irvine said live ordinance is dangerous because Iraqis injure or kill themselves trying to steal copper from the shells or the explosives in them are reused in attacks against them. *******/Aladin Abdel Naby

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A US army helicopter patrols the area above the flashpoint Sunni area of Fallujah. A US soldier was killed and three wounded today in a new roadside attack in Fallujah, seething over the deaths of nine Iraqi security men and a Jordanian killed by US gunfire.(AFP/Ramzi Haidar)

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A US military convoy rumbles down an exit ramp near the flashpoint Sunni area of Fallujah, 50 kms west of Baghdad. A US soldier was killed and three wounded today in a new roadside attack in Fallujah, seething over the deaths of nine Iraqi security men and a Jordanian killed by US gunfire.(AFP/Ramzi Haidar)

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American soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Monday, Sept. 15, 2003, go over the fence at a suspected Saddam loyalist houses during a raid in the early hours of the morning. Five men were taken into custody and a large cache of weapons and money were found during the raid. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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American soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 22nd infantry regiment, 4th Infantry division in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), Monday, Sept. 15, 2003, question a suspected Saddam loyalist during a raid in the early hours of the morning. Five men were taken into custody and a large cache of weapons and money were found during the raid. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)


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President Bush (news - web sites) waves at a fundraiser for the Republican candidate for the Mississippi governorship, Haley Barbour, at the Mississippi Coliseum in Jackson, Sept. 12, 2003. With Bush's poll numbers dropping, many fellow Republicans are uneasy about the state of the U.S. economy, rising budget deficits, and the U.S. military operation in Iraq (news - web sites). (Larry Downing/*******)

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Soldiers of Guinea-Bissau stand in a military camp in Bissau, 22 July 2003. The Guinea-Bissau military staged an apparently bloodless coup as President Kumba Yala was reported in the custody of soldiers.(AFP/File/Seyllou)

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Sheriff's SWAT members depart after determining that suspects in a fatal shooting had fled the house before they arrrived, September 14, 2003 in Compton, California. 31-year-old Yetunde Price was fatally shot early on Sunday in the tree-lined community about 20 miles (32 km) south of Los Angeles, police said. The suspected homicide occurred outside a single-family home that witnesses described as abandoned, after a confrontation between neighborhood residents and Price, who was the eldest sister of tennis stars Venus and Serena Williams . *******/Jim Ruymen

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Anti-WTO protesters enjoy the warm waters of the Caribbean Sea, as Mexican warships anchor off the coast to provide security for the World Trade Organization meeting in Cancun, Mexico Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003. (AP Photo/Victor Ruiz)

Andyman
09-15-2003, 12:45 AM
Israel took the Palestinians land in the first place. How would you feel. I can't comprehend the anger that must burn inside the Palestinians and then look at Israel determined to stay and take over and the killing continues and it will never stop and this site looks like a jewish propaghanda page and im getting sick of it so so more Israel and Palestine they're are all children unwilling to swallow their pride Jews think they are GODS people and Muslims think they have the only true god what the hell is wrong with the world I bet any person on the planet 100 billion dollars that peace in that area will never occur unless one side is utterly erradicated and what are the possibilities of that. I hate the world it offers no sollace for mans stupidity

Seiyuuki
09-15-2003, 04:33 AM
Well...I guess it can be safely said that people are becoming more disillusion with this conflict.

Spine
09-15-2003, 03:49 PM
Hill-billy children in Iraq?
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