B-1B Lancer Being Prepped for mission

[hendrix33]

I REALLY Recommend getting the HiRes of these :)

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/web_030905-F-8155K-017.jpg
Lancer's bomb bay containning JDAMs.
HiRes - http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030905-F-8155K-017.jpg


http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/web_030905-F-2021H-013.jpg
HiRes - http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030905-F-2021H-013.jpg


http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/web_030905-F-2021H-024.jpg
HiRes - http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030905-F-2021H-024.jpg



ELLSWORTH AIR FORCE BASE, S.D. -- Airmen from the 28th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron here unload munitions from one B-1 Lancer to install them on another. Ellsworth aircraft and airmen are deploying to support operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Joanna E. Hensley)


Source: http://www.af.mil/search/media_all.asp?storyID=123005582

More B-1B Lancer photos: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-1b_gallery.htm

[ArmoredDov_D9]

We need those B-1s, B-2, B-whatever over Gaza. Drop everything they've got.

[Rantanplan]

Well, I plead for Bombers over Palestina and Israel!!!

[He219]

We need those B-1s, B-2, B-whatever over Gaza. Drop everything they've got.

Is that how you really feel about the inhabitants of the occupied territories?

:roll:

[hendrix33]

You have to consider the state of mind we're no. NO, we do not want to harm any inncocent palestinians.
After the second suicide bombing Mu'azins (preists) gethered the mobs on the streets of Gaza and they started dancing and parading the deaths of the murdered Israelis. I bet CNN didn't play that, did they?

I don't think we should harm anyone who's not involved in terror, but the act of support demonstrations all over Gaza is enraging.

[Gordon]

We need those B-1s, B-2, B-whatever over Gaza. Drop everything they've got.

Yeh ... and i plead for a precision guided bomb to take you out mate.

[Mortimer]

We need those B-1s, B-2, B-whatever over Gaza. Drop everything they've got.

Yeh ... and i plead for a precision guided bomb to take you out mate.
i second that one

[txajas]

Speaking of B1's, wasn't that bomber programme the biggest waste of money ever or what? So far it seems that the 52's are doing most of the heavy bombing, so what is the deal with the B1's?

I am just asking because I seem to remember that during the1st GW the B1s had leaky fuel tanks or something or another, so the B52s did most of the damage, and I do not seem to read about them B1s being deployed as much as the 52's. Or am I mistaken?

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Well, I don't want to hurt innocent civilians - but how many Palestinians are like that?

Those who danced and celebrated in Gaza are no "innocent". We should drop heavy bomb on Hamas houses and let no terrorist escape alive.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Speaking of B1's, wasn't that bomber programme the biggest waste of money ever or what? So far it seems that the 52's are doing most of the heavy bombing, so what is the deal with the B1's?

I am just asking because I seem to remember that during the1st GW the B1s had leaky fuel tanks or something or another, so the B52s did most of the damage, and I do not seem to read about them B1s being deployed as much as the 52's. Or am I mistaken?

During the cold war the B-1b would have been a great interim investment, before the B2, in providing a recallable nuclear deterrent that would have been far more survivable than the BUF but Ragan and Gorbachev ended that mission.
Today the B-1b provides a unique ability to loiter for many hours near the battlefield and quickly deploy large and very accurate payloads on time critical targets. Having on demand JDAMS support in 5-15 min 24/7 is a big plus for any infantryman up to his ears in Islamo Fascist Jihad wannabe terror types or with an opportunity strike on command and control elements. I wouldn’t call the B-1b a waste but I would say that the B-52 could still perform the role trading response time for saved money.

The B-1B did in fact have a major fuel tank leakage problem during its development in the 80’s. That problem was resolved a long time ago yet US Democratic party political opposition hype continued for many years to make it sound as if that and many other issues were something new. One former left leaning Colorado representative’s attacks on the plane were so successful that, to this day, the plane can still light off huge fights between left and right.
I was an intern in Capitol Hill briefly then and remember thinking the halls absolutely reeked of Bulls*t.

[He219]

Obviously the B1B finds it's origins in the cold war. It is one fantastic piece of hardware. It carries far greater weight in ordinance than the B52. Not many were produced and in the 80's there were problems with birds getting into the engine ducts. The rotary dispensing cruise-missile bays were the greatest threat to the Soviets and were disabled with SALT II, I believe.

It was built to counter the Soviet build Tupolev BlackFire Tu-225 and BlackJack Tu-160 Bomber threat. Interestingly enough...

http://nuke.co.kr/energy/arms/bomb/images/tu160_12.jpg

http://nuke.co.kr/energy/arms/bomb/images/tu160_1.jpg

http://nuke.co.kr/energy/arms/bomb/images/tu160_7.jpg

http://nuke.co.kr/energy/arms/bomb/images/tu160_6.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/2.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/3.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/4.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/6.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/24.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/23.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/22.jpg

http://www.army.lv/Samoleti/Tupolev/Tu-160/19.jpg

Do you like the resemblances?

More info Here (http://pub137.ezboard.com/ffighterplanespictures.showMessage?topicID=320.topic) and Here (http://www.shadowsource.org/dragon/blackfire.html)



ArmoredDov_D9: use the discussion forum for your arguments. ;)

[perdurabo]

hi i'm new here:)
Tu160 is much bigger than B1B about 30% bigger and it's eingines are about 80% more powerfull
the B1B is a low speed(it can fly with 1,2Mah but not long) and attitude bomber and the tu160 is high speed super fast bomber:) (max speed 2,0Mah)
in tu 160 above pilots head is a pulpit(hmm i don't know name for that thing in english -bord with instruments and lights:)) is named Carlucci's pulpit (?? again)because Frank C. Carlucci(US minystry of defense in 1988) bumped his head in it:)

B1 was buildet first before tu160so it couldn't be a counter for threat of tu160:) a counter for B1A was MiG25(super fast fighter) and for B1B was MiG31 (fly high, look down, shoot down fighter)

ps. Israelis and Palestinians please it's militaryPHOTOS site it's not an political site please don't fight here:)ps2 sorry for my english i don't use it often

[He219]

Nice post, perdurabo. Welcome!

Thanks for the information; the Carlucci but was funny. Some of the stats are in the liks I posted.

I was under the impression that the B1 was deployed in response. So the US was acutally first. Either way, the similaries are noticeable!

An interesting fact is that the Tu-160 max Takeoff weight is 274,000#'s less than the B1. This is critical in the conventional role cost benefit ratio. The Tu's are in a poor state of repair right now....

p-)

[Trigger]

Nice find He-219!
Those are some great shots.
It looks like the Blackjack has terrible forward visibility.

[vryhpyammoadded]

In 1976 I had the pleasure of having a guided tour of Edwards with my Uncle and I was allowed an up close look at the first three B-1’s which where much different beasts than the B-1b. The B-1 was designed for a mission profile very similar to the Tupolev; high altitude mach 2 dash. If you look real hard at close photos of the B-1 and compare them to the B-1b, you’ll notice differences between air inlets and the wing roots that are similar to the 160. As far as the B-1 and Tu-160 sharing resemblances, there is a very simple reason. Aerodynamics and the technology of the time, based on the similar performance parameters set for the planes dictated they resemble each other.
The B-1b is a very different animal being redesigned to be somewhat stealthy and approach targets using low altitude transonic dash. There was a lot of talk of giving the B-1 both attack options but the expense and payload/range performance decreases were considered prohibitive.
A few years back I had another unique pleasure to see Russia’s finest aircraft and I’ll tell you this, the Tu-160 is one dam fine impressive machine.

Also, the Mig-25 was created to take down the B-70 Valkyrie. Now there’s a hell of a plane, both of them!

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b5/b5-63.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-25.htm

[Herrmannek]

Joke about similarity of both planes.

-Who found electrical shaving machine?
-Russians
-Where?
-In recycle bin of USA embassy

[perdurabo]

vryhpyammoadded is right:) (sorry for that info about MIG25 but MIG31 was deasignated for destroying B1B:) my memory sometimes got jamed:)) it was a plan that Polish airforce should buy MIG25 in both fighter and recon wersion but that was in80' when we were comunist country:) now we buy f16c/d:)
there was an article about tu160 in Nowa Technika Wojskowa (Polish magazine about military) and there was a section about difrences and similaritis beatwin those two types:)

[Smoothie104]

Had A B-1 fly into Hunter AFF here in Savannah a few years back. I was in rush hour traffic next to the base, I could see a group of people parked on perimeter road standing around thier cars and such, so I figured something cool was coming in. I heard it coming, opened the sunroof, looked up, and directly overhead about 200 feet it just streaked over me. It was so utterly badass. I heard later that he did a couple of touch and goes before settling down. Damn thing looks like a Klingon warship, It may have been overbudget and underperforming, but I think It is the most intimidating looking airplane we have.

http://www.b1b.wpafb.af.mil/pages/photos.html

[He219]

Definately, Smoothie104!

I've seen two B1B's buzz Fort Lauderdale Beach at the Air and Sea Show at aproximately 500 feet in full sweep and afterburner!!!

It was the most awesome exhibition I have ever seen for a plane.

Later I met the Pilot and crew of one of the B1B's while having a brew on the town. 'She' went on to fly out of Diego Garcia in Enduring Freedom.

Definately the loudest plane I have experienced.

At a Van Nuys airshow I stood underneath one. It's HUGE. The pivot piont for the rotary cruise missile dispensers are still there. 48 hours to convert 'em and break SALT/START II, or whatever the treatie with the Russkies is..

woot

[Stormtrooper]

hi i'm new here:)
Tu160 is much bigger than B1B about 30% bigger and it's eingines are about 80% more powerfull
the B1B is a low speed(it can fly with 1,2Mah but not long) and attitude bomber and the tu160 is high speed super fast bomber:) (max speed 2,0Mah)
in tu 160 above pilots head is a pulpit(hmm i don't know name for that thing in english -bord with instruments and lights:)) is named Carlucci's pulpit (?? again)because Frank C. Carlucci(US minystry of defense in 1988) bumped his head in it:)

B1 was buildet first before tu160so it couldn't be a counter for threat of tu160:) a counter for B1A was MiG25(super fast fighter) and for B1B was MiG31 (fly high, look down, shoot down fighter)


The Blackjack was built straight off as a strategic bomber unlike the B1. Only recently have the russians looked at modding Blackjack for conventional missions.

? ? According to what i know, the MIG25 and 31 were built because the Soviets were worried about Blackbird and Valkyrie. Having a mach 3 recon plane/bomber flying around should make you worried too. MIG25 existed long before B1 was even on the drawing board.

Not sure whether the console that Carlucci knocked his head on is now universally called Carlucci's console, or just on the particular Blackjack he inspected

[perdurabo]

about 25 yes i had made a mistake and said that for 31 i'm almoust sure that was builded to fight with b1b it's equpment and misails were specialized to aim targets that fly low MIG31 fly high and fast but his radar looks down and misails shoot down;-)

about carluccis pulpit it's a pilot cold it on all tu160 (with small amount of Tu160 and one Engels base where they stay every pilot that fly it knows other

[Stormtrooper]

You dont need a MIG-31 to shoot down an B1B. With a top speed of Mach 1.2, an MIG-29 would be enough. Hell, even a MIG-23 or a late model 21.

Still, the americans have far more B1's than the Russians have Blackjacks. And they also train much more than the Russians.
Training.... the deciding factor~

[Herrmannek]

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7304974%255E1702,00.html


Russian bomber crashes
From correspondents in Moscow
September 18, 2003

A SUPERSONIC Russian Tu-160 strategic bomber has crashed in the southern Saratov region with four crew members aboard, said officials at the defense ministry.

The plane was conducting a test flight after having had a motor replaced and military officials told the Interfax news agency that it was not carrying any weapons.

"There was neither strategic nor ordinary weapons aboard," the news agency quoted military officials as saying.

"The Tu-160 recently had a new motor installed. The plane was doing a test flight with the new motor. Suddenly, it crashed to the ground," Interfax quoted a military official as saying.

"The crew reported that the motor was on fire at 10:30 (am), before the accident," a military spokesman told Interfax.






The plane crashed at 11 am local time (0700 GMT), officials said.

"All the crew members died as a result of the accident," the agency quoted a military spokesman as saying. "The pilots remains have been found."

The defense ministry has launched an investigation into the incident, officials told the Russian news agencies.

The Tu-160, often referred to as Tu-160 Blackjack, was made in the 1980s in response to the US B-1 bomber. It is a supersonic plane that can carry up to 12 missiles, including nuclear warheads, and can fly up to an altitude of 16,000 metres.

Russia is believed to have 15 such planes and last year said it would update the fleet to be able to carry new types of missiles.

Agence France-Presse

[He219]

******* has some nice photos (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?ei=UTF-8&p=Tu%20160&c=news_photos) of the Tu-160.


May the crew rest in peace......

[He219]

http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/Front_Page_Photos/September/09_16_03.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/Front_Page_Photos/September/09_16_03_hires.jpg)

Staff Sgt. Dean Schmitt (right) and Airman First Class Zach Wilbourn (left), both from the 28th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, 28th Bomb Wing Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota, uses a 196 trailer to unload munitions from one B-1b Bomber aircraft to install in another in preparation for deployment, Sept. 5, 2003. Ellsworth is deploying people and assets to the Central Command Area of Responsibility in support of Operations Enduring and Iraqi Freedom and the President's Global War on Terrorism. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Joanna E. Hensley)

http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/Front_Page_Photos/September/09_18_03.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/Front_Page_Photos/September/09_18_03_hires.jpg)

One of the first B-1s to arrive here lands at a forward operating location. The B-1s are replacing the B-52s here. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jocelyn Rich)

[DID]

Hello, I know this is old thread, but somebody have pictures of ejection capsule of the B1 please? My google research was unsuccesfull.

[Dispatcher]

Oh no you didnt.

[DID]

There is any problem?

[2495]

Hello, I know this is old thread, but somebody have pictures of ejection capsule of the B1 please? My google research was unsuccesfull.
LOL - wtf is it with the damn necro mania going on?


Oh no you didnt.


Oh yes he did.

[DID]

Would you expect me to open new thread every time I'm searching for a specific picture?

[Dispatcher]

We expect you not to bloody revive a 7year old post to find a specific picture.

[DID]

I truly apologize so.

[Dispatcher]

Dont apologize here.

Find the apology thread (last used in december of 03) and apologize there.


;)

[Andreas]

Are you writing like Yoda speaks on purpose?

[DID]

Are you writing like Yoda speaks on purpose?
lol, no english is not my mother tongue.