UDT and SEAL photos Vietnam

[ocd90]

Here is a UDT 11 pic from Spring '66...not developed until September '66. Check that get-up.

http://209.101.170.226/vietnam/Mar_1966_op_jack_stay_small.JPG (alt+p)

[Ayura]

You know that 'boi is rocky just by his facial expression ;)

[ChuckThunder]

Here is a UDT 11 pic from Spring '66...not developed until September '66. Check that get-up.

http://209.101.170.226/vietnam/Mar_1966_op_jack_stay_small.JPG (alt+p)

Very cool picture.

[ocd90]

The uniform isn't standard military. It's a duck hunting outfit, bloused and tucked into the boots and the beret is just a duck hunting hat, formed into a beret. They didn't have regular uniforms.

The weapons are poached from the Marines, with whom they traded M-16s. The greasegun was chosen over the others (BAR in background or M-16) for lighter weight, small size, and rate of fire.

This was before UDT 11s first op in Vietnam, May '66, Operation Jack Stay. Before the SEALs existed...and before any of them arrived.

These guys broke-in those that followed.

[VAC]

They were still using the B.A.R. in Vietnam?? I'm asuming that it was a newer version than the one they used in WW2, right? Please excuse the newbie question, i'm still learning about weapons.

[stupify]

They were still using the B.A.R. in Vietnam?? I'm asuming that it was a newer version than the one they used in WW2, right? Please excuse the newbie question, i'm still learning about weapons.

no, same weapon. replaced later by a full auto M14 and the M60. Then even later after the forming of SEALs, the short lived Stoner mg.

[VAC]

They were still using the B.A.R. in Vietnam?? I'm asuming that it was a newer version than the one they used in WW2, right? Please excuse the newbie question, i'm still learning about weapons.

no, same weapon. replaced later by a full auto M14 and the M60. Then even later after the forming of SEALs, the short lived Stoner mg.

Thanks for clarifing that for me. I have read a couple books regarding Vietnam and a lot of the LRRP guys used the Stoner. What was it's flaws and why did they stop using it? Thanks again. Or if anyone knows a good site where I could find some information that would be great help. Oh yeah I've never seen a good picture of the Stoner, anyone got some? Thanks

[MEGR]

They were still using the B.A.R. in Vietnam?? I'm asuming that it was a newer version than the one they used in WW2, right? Please excuse the newbie question, i'm still learning about weapons.

no, same weapon. replaced later by a full auto M14 and the M60. Then even later after the forming of SEALs, the short lived Stoner mg.

Thanks for clarifing that for me. I have read a couple books regarding Vietnam and a lot of the LRRP guys used the Stoner. What was it's flaws and why did they stop using it? Thanks again. Or if anyone knows a good site where I could find some information that would be great help. Oh yeah I've never seen a good picture of the Stoner, anyone got some? Thanks

Hey! I've read many books about SEALs in the Vietnam War. The SEALs thought the world about the Stoner lmg. Ammo was lighter (5.56mm rather than M60 7.62), and it can spray alot of bullets in a short amount of time.. Remember now, SEALs weren't there to slug it out with the enemy. They fought guerilla style, and when they engaged an enemy target via ambush, or meeting, they wanted to lay down some serious firepower and then get the fudge out. Overwhelming firepower was a one of the SEALs main priorities.

Stoner did just that. Most SEAL teams carried maybe two stoners and two m60s on patrols or ambushes. From what I've read, the Stoner was ****e to dirt (like any other gun), but for some reason that didn't sit well with the Army. Of course maybe it was a supply issue thing also.

If you want more info on SEALs, PM me, and I'll get what I can to answer your questions!

As for a pic.......

http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/S053.jpg
Kinda reminds me of the m249 now for some reason.

[VAC]

Thanks for the info. I kinda thought that the Stoner didn't work to good in a jungle setting, the humidity maybe?
I'll keep you in mind Devgru77 when I haev more questions. I don't like jamming up someone else's posts with my noob questions.

[MEGR]

Thanks for the info. I kinda thought that the Stoner didn't work to good in a jungle setting, the humidity maybe?
I'll keep you in mind Devgru77 when I haev more questions. I don't like jamming up someone else's posts with my noob questions.

SEALs just said, as long as you clean it, and maintain it, then it'll run fine. Just like any other firearm.

[SATANAS]

:D nice classic pix of bad ass warriors :D

[Poontang_Dan]

Old skool. Everybit as badass as nowadays warriors.

[pretorian669]

The uniform isn't standard military. It's a duck hunting outfit, bloused and tucked into the boots and the beret is just a duck hunting hat, formed into a beret.



Not exactly. This pattern was used by US marines and army in WWII and after the war it was commercially used by hunters...
http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/usmccamo1.jpg

http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/usmccamo2.jpg

http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/usmccamo3.jpg

http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/_poc_images/full/usa1a.jpghttp://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/_poc_images/full/usa1b.jpg

The US Army and Marine Corps were issued full camo uniforms during the later part of WWII. The patterns were slightly different in color from each other, but I think identical in pattern. Various uniform pieces, like shelter halfs, were made out of this material. Most of the units that received this pattern served in the Pacific Theater, though there is a story about some Rangers getting shot up by friendly fire in Normandy while wearing the Army version (from a distance they would look like Waffen SS troops). Needless to say, these Rangers would have ditched their uniforms pretty quickly! After the war the pattern was used in Korea but was dropped going into the early 1960s (perhaps late 50s). Not many countries have based their uniforms on this pattern (Australia comes to mind as one), but it has been widely adopted as a commercial "duck hunter" camo.

http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/poc_americas.html

http://gi.grolier.com/wwii/photos/USWW0035.JPEG
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/restore/museum/usa/usmc-wwii-camo.jpg
The usmc uniforms represent all three basic vaiations of camoflage from very earliest to late war. Complete with many different types of combat gear and accessories.
http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/american/wwii_camo_pants.html

[pretorian669]

http://community.webshots.com/s/image17/8/94/33/192789433eUIuTn_ph.jpg

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[MEGR]

http://community.webshots.com/s/image17/8/99/53/192789953TDrRjj_ph.jpg

This is Darryl Young. He wrote an awesome SEAL book called element of suprise. Here he is with blue jeans, and Stoner LMG.

[ocd90]

The Stoner also had a bad habit of not handling stress too well...smack it too hard and it would go off at full auto...like a firehose...no stopping it.

That camo get-up was ditched after the first op, as when it got wet, it ripped and tore easily. It also bleached immediately, so it didn't do a whole lot of camoflaging...

[ocd90]

Here's another pic, same guy, two tours later '68, after transition from UDT to SEAL. Just about every type of grenade represented...typically the hat would get replaced with the camo scarf around the neck.

http://209.101.170.226/vietnam/small_decked.JPG

[ocd90]

What they carried in the field varied widely depending upon mission, but the "standard" SEAL group had 6-7 individuals. If it was prisoner snatch or assassination, some of them would have silenced weapons...but normally, the carried as follows: (Point M-16, shotgun or M-79 with flechette round), (second guy M-60 or M-16), (3rd guy Stoner), (4th/radio guy M-16 or M-79), (final 1-2 had M-16s)...BUT...they also used Swedish Ks, grease guns, shotguns and CARs (and some "French piece of **** that broke a lot". It depended on mission personal preference and location. Also, each carried a pistol, and grenades (2 smoke, 2 frag and white phosphorous)...again, depending on mission. Pic above a good representation of the grenades and gear for the early Vietnam SEALs.





They were still using the B.A.R. in Vietnam?? I'm asuming that it was a newer version than the one they used in WW2, right? Please excuse the newbie question, i'm still learning about weapons.

no, same weapon. replaced later by a full auto M14 and the M60. Then even later after the forming of SEALs, the short lived Stoner mg.

Thanks for clarifing that for me. I have read a couple books regarding Vietnam and a lot of the LRRP guys used the Stoner. What was it's flaws and why did they stop using it? Thanks again. Or if anyone knows a good site where I could find some information that would be great help. Oh yeah I've never seen a good picture of the Stoner, anyone got some? Thanks

Hey! I've read many books about SEALs in the Vietnam War. The SEALs thought the world about the Stoner lmg. Ammo was lighter (5.56mm rather than M60 7.62), and it can spray alot of bullets in a short amount of time.. Remember now, SEALs weren't there to slug it out with the enemy. They fought guerilla style, and when they engaged an enemy target via ambush, or meeting, they wanted to lay down some serious firepower and then get the fudge out. Overwhelming firepower was a one of the SEALs main priorities.

Stoner did just that. Most SEAL teams carried maybe two stoners and two m60s on patrols or ambushes. From what I've read, the Stoner was ****e to dirt (like any other gun), but for some reason that didn't sit well with the Army. Of course maybe it was a supply issue thing also.

If you want more info on SEALs, PM me, and I'll get what I can to answer your questions!

As for a pic.......

http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/S053.jpg
Kinda reminds me of the m249 now for some reason.