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FallenAngel
09-11-2003, 01:28 PM
Just heard on CNN that Israeli parliment has voted- IN PRINCIPAL- to expel Arafat.
Anyone think they'll follow through?
ArmoredDov_D9
09-11-2003, 01:50 PM
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
:roll:
He219
09-11-2003, 03:34 PM
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Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz was quoted as telling two people in his inner circle that expelling Arafat was the least Israel should do, and that killing the Palestinian leader should be considered.
The Yediot Ahronot newspaper did not provide quotations from Mofaz. The idea of killing Arafat was not on the security Cabinet's agenda, a security official said on condition of anonymity.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=716&e=3&u=/ap/20030911/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians
Ok, I'm sorry, but that had to be the dumbest move I've ever heard of. Let's spread the information that we're going to knock out/off the leader of the oppositition to everyone, so they can form a mass people ring around his headquarters so that you can't do a thing without hurting or killing a lot of innocents. yay.
A crowd gathers at Arafat's Ramallah compound to show support Thursday night.
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/09/11/mideast/story.crowd.cnni.jpg
ArmoredDov_D9
09-11-2003, 04:06 PM
The resolution of the cabinet regarding Arafat is for internal purpose, i.e. for the Israeli public opinion.
They won't touch Arafat without an agreement from Bush.
"We are in a situation in which (U.S.) approval for this, in case we asked for it, would be almost impossible to obtain," Shalom told Israel Army Radio. "I think there are some situations in which we have to make decisions ... that are completely cut off from outside influence."
This just keeps getting better...
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said exiling Arafat would cause a "very dangerous situation."
Remember that Arafat and his gang were kicked out of Egypt when they tried to overthrow the government all those years ago. I think it would be neat to see how much of a hot potato Arafat would be if any other Arab country was actually asked to take him. I doubt anyone would want to get anywhere near him.
StarvingStudent47
09-11-2003, 08:47 PM
Colin Powell has made several vague comments about exiling Arafat since the Jerusalem suicide bombing derailed the Roadmap. Arafat pushing Abbas out of power is only going to make him more inclined to do so.
hendrix33
09-11-2003, 08:53 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030911/capt.sge.eff56.110903210537.photo00.default-296x378.jpg
A Palestinian gunman stands in front of a portrait of Yasser Arafat during a demonstration in support of the Palestinian leader in Gaza City. In Ramallah, Arafat was hailed by thousands of supporters as he ventured out of his headquarters after the Israeli government had given the green light to his expulsion, an AFP correspondent witnessed.(AFP/Mohammed Abed)
See who wants arafat to stay.
By the way, I believe it would cause more damage to exile this terrorist, but since the current position in definatly in a dead-end without the light in the end of the tunnel... I just can't tell for sure it'd be a bad idea.
StarvingStudent47
09-11-2003, 09:21 PM
By the way, I believe it would cause more damage to exile this terrorist, but since the current position in definatly in a dead-end without the light in the end of the tunnel... I just can't tell for sure it'd be a bad idea.
I've thought about that. The worst thing would be to turn him into some sort of martyr. But so long has he's around, the peace process won't get anywhere. We all saw how he bullied Abbas and finally pushed him out of power.
Why can't the guy just die of an intestinal parasite or something? Seriously, that would just make the world a better place.
By the way, does anyone know how many terrorist attacks he's ordered since he received the Nobel Peace Prize?
He219
09-11-2003, 09:35 PM
Colin Powell has made several vague comments about exiling Arafat since the Jerusalem suicide bombing derailed the Roadmap. Arafat pushing Abbas out of power is only going to make him more inclined to do so.
I'm under the impression that Israel doesn't know where they are on the road.
The roadmap obliges Israel to freeze new settlement building, but the government invited tenders for new apartments in a Jewish settlements already on 7-31-2003 in the Gaza Strip, long before the Jerusalem bus bombing.
Israel's anti-settlement movement Peace Now (http://www.peacenow.org.il/Default.asp?Redirect=12) condemned the decision (http://www.peacenow.org.il/Articals/92144122.jpg) as "new proof that the government of Ariel Sharon is not meeting its commitments within the framework of the roadmap."
The derailing or success of the roadmap takes both parties.
As for Arafat, bringing him into the center of attention is counterproductive to efforts to sidline him in the political scene.
Yeah but the difference is that Sharon has dismantled various settlement operations, and had pulled completely out of several occupied towns/villages. He may not have done everything that's in the road map yet, but there was tangible progress being made. The Palestinians on the other hand, did literally ZERO. They didn't do a single thing to slow down or stop the militants. They didn't get the security forces under a single command which was called for in the road map. All that matters, is that if the prime minister of the Palestinians, no matter who it is, is not willing to physically stop their own people from attacking Israel, nothing will ever progress here. Until that happens, it's all worthless.
hendrix33
09-11-2003, 10:30 PM
Israel's anti-settlement movement Peace Now (http://www.peacenow.org.il/Default.asp?Redirect=12) condemned the decision (http://www.peacenow.org.il/Articals/92144122.jpg) as "new proof that the government of Ariel Sharon is not meeting its commitments within the framework of the roadmap."
Just to set somehting straight. 'Peace now' in not an 'anti-settlement' movement, but an Israeli, pro-palestinian, small, extremist left-fraction. There are allegations the activists from this movement had helped the two terrorists who committed the suicide bombong in the Tel-Avivi Pub 'Mike's Place' to infiltrate Israel via Jordan.
I would not take anything this extrimist movement says 'as-is'. Don't be fooled by the name of the movement.
budanski
09-11-2003, 11:00 PM
Lets see. It just further proves Arafat was still running the show. I don't know what the State Dept. is really thinking with the "Roadmap to Pieces"
Instead of being seen as being equal partners to the Israelis and Palestinians, they should just take one side (Most likely the side of the Israelis). Peace ONLY comes after victory.
front
09-11-2003, 11:48 PM
Budanski?
The US government (through successive administrations) has always been firmly behind Israel in all of its decisions through the decades. More firmly than anyone else.
Take out of the above paragraph what you want. You might want to do a little research on that...
cheers
front
budanski
09-12-2003, 01:03 AM
I'm aware of that. I'm saying they should stop trying to play equal partners to both. Take a side, eliminate the other... instead of dragging this **** on. Appeasement is wishful thinking.
StarvingStudent47
09-12-2003, 01:47 AM
Budanski?
The US government (through successive administrations) has always been firmly behind Israel in all of its decisions through the decades. More firmly than anyone else.
Take out of the above paragraph what you want. You might want to do a little research on that...
That's not entirely accurate.
During the 1948 War, the United States offered no aid to the fledling state of Israel, even when it looked like it would be fully overrun by the Egyptians, Syrians, and Jordanians.
During the Suez War, Israel was allied with Britain and France against Egypt. The United States was officially neutral and if anything was giving moral support to Nasser.
The American arms trade to Israel began on the eve of the 1967 War, to counter massive Soviet military aid to the Arab states. This relationship continued until the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Since the fall of the USSR, America has increasingly courted Arab states (possibly for a valuable natural resource they control). Under Clinton, aid dollars to Israel were matched with aid dollars to Jordan and Egypt. During the First Gulf War, the United States ordered Israel to not respond to Iraqi SCUD attacks on Tel Aviv and Haifa because we did not want to offend the sensibilities of our Arab allies in that war. Those SCUD attacks killed roughly 75 civilians.
Israel receives the most foreign aid of the US foreign aid budget with $2,100 million in military aid and $600 million in social aid. However, #2 on the list of beneficiaries is Egypt, which receives $1,300 million in military aid and $615 million in social aid. Jordan receives a total of $450 million in aid. Other Arab states get smaller amounts of American aid, but when push comes to shove, I believe we give more money in aid to Arab states than to Israel. source (http://www.terrorismanswers.org/policy/foreignaid2.html).
Furthermore, US aid money to Israel is not as straight-forward as it seems. First off, not all dollars that go to Israel stay there. I have several Indian friends who have confirmed that many arms shipped to Israel are just sent on to India, to get around a "neutral broker" position we have put ourselves in regarding India and Pakistan. Also, Israel has been a significant military ally--they destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981, and their engineers substantially improved our Patriot Missile. I am not aware of a single thing the Egyptian military has ever done for the United States.
The United States has military bases in several Arab states, including Qatar and Kuwait. The United States does not have any military bases in Israel.
NASA sent a Saudi astronaut into space long before they sent an Israeli astronaut into space.
We are Kuwait's #1 import partner in foreign trade. We are Saudi Arabia's #1 import partner AND #1 export partner. (source: CIA world factbook, 2002)
In conclusion:
Do not confuse American distrust of Arafat with American hostility toward Arab states. Regardless of our motivation (and I suspect it has a lot to do with something that rhymes with "zoil"), the United States is very chummy-chummy with many Arab states. It is true that we remain close allies with Israel. But the relationship is not nearly as unilateral as many think it is. Why? I'll leave you with the words of Israel's ex-Prime Minister, Golda Meir:
"Let me tell you something we Israelis have against Moses. He took us forty years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!"
ArmoredDov_D9
09-12-2003, 02:40 AM
Israel's anti-settlement movement Peace Now (http://www.peacenow.org.il/Default.asp?Redirect=12) condemned the decision (http://www.peacenow.org.il/Articals/92144122.jpg) as "new proof that the government of Ariel Sharon is not meeting its commitments within the framework of the roadmap."
Just to set somehting straight. 'Peace now' in not an 'anti-settlement' movement, but an Israeli, pro-palestinian, small, extremist left-fraction. There are allegations the activists from this movement had helped the two terrorists who committed the suicide bombong in the Tel-Avivi Pub 'Mike's Place' to infiltrate Israel via Jordan.
I would not take anything this extrimist movement says 'as-is'. Don't be fooled by the name of the movement.
I think you are confused with the ISM.
"Peace Now" was considered to be the "mainstream" leftist peace movement and it is identified with Meretz. But because they refuse to relate to the terrorist bombing against Israelis (they don't bother visit the victims's families or denounce the terror publicly) they lost the support of the Israeli public. "Peace Now" has radicaled during the last 3 years and it is not a concenus anymore. It can bring more than 1000 people to its demonstrations - which don't call for peace anymore, but to Israel stop fighting. And stop fighting to our defence is unaccpetable in the Israeli public.
citizen-k
09-12-2003, 07:07 PM
They are arabs, a leader is not replaced while he is alive...(Do you have any example of a middle east arab state where it did happen?)
So the idea of making up a prime minister who will rule next to Arafat is a dumb, hopeless move made up by people who knows nothing about arabs and their colture.
In case he will die - he will be forgotten 2 minutes after that and they will adore, worship and love the 2nd strongest man around them. Same as they did in lebanon when the IDF got in (flowers and rice) and same as they did in Bagdhad - "We love Bush! We love Bush!!!" - it wasn't because they hated saddam or because they loved Bush, it's simply because Bush proved to be stronger. (They "loved" Saddam before that because he was the strongest dude around)
Israel and the world, together, must agree on a solution - either we all wait till he dies of old age - which means no peace at all, or we simply kill the basterd hoping for a more reasonable leader who will take over.
I believe that Israel (and the world) are waiting until the 2nd strongest man in the Palestinian leadership will be the kind of leader who will be willing to make peace with Israel - giving up Arafat's hopeless dreams.
Untill that day comes, Israelis and Palestinians will have to suffer - fighting for nothing.
ArmoredDov_D9
09-13-2003, 10:23 AM
In the Palestinian authority a power is measured by the number of armed gangsters who terrorize the popultion to enforce the will of the leader.
Arafat didn't prepared a successor and beside him, the PA is composed out of serveral militias. The main armed militias are:
* Al Aqsa Brigades - Marwan Barghouti and Tufik Tirawi
* Gaza "Security" Forces - Muhammed Dahalan
* West Bank "Security" Force - Jibril Rajoub
Not to mention outer-PA armed group such as the Libertion Fronts, the Islamic Jihad back by Iran and the terrorist group Hamas.
After Arafat is gone, I expect a civil war between the Palestinians over control or maybe a parting of the PA to serveral autonomies, each one controlled by another warlord and his gangs.
Saranof
09-13-2003, 11:19 AM
Yeah but the difference is that Sharon has dismantled various settlement operations, and had pulled completely out of several occupied towns/villages. He may not have done everything that's in the road map yet, but there was tangible progress being made. The Palestinians on the other hand, did literally ZERO. They didn't do a single thing to slow down or stop the militants. They didn't get the security forces under a single command which was called for in the road map. All that matters, is that if the prime minister of the Palestinians, no matter who it is, is not willing to physically stop their own people from attacking Israel, nothing will ever progress here. Until that happens, it's all worthless.
Of ocurse, the difference is that Israel has a massive military that OBEYS ORDERS.
Arafat on the other hand, has no control over most of the organisations.
You see? So there is a small group of palestinans who don't want the peace process. All they have to do is bomb something, and all the palestinians get the blame.
And btw, the Israelis keep on building more settlements...
ArmoredDov_D9
09-13-2003, 11:30 AM
A picture that captures the true escence of Yasser Arafat:
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030912/i/1063398528.3087196251.jpg
No wonder this child cry...
ArmoredDov_D9
09-13-2003, 11:35 AM
Arafat on the other hand, has no control over most of the organisations.
You see? So there is a small group of palestinans who don't want the peace process. All they have to do is bomb something, and all the palestinians get the blame.
That is, of course, wrong. Arafat has control over the majority of the armed forces in the territories. Only in the West Bank Arafat has about 23,000 armed gunmen ready for his commends.
Arafat is also the high-commander of the known terrorist organization Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, which responisble to many terrorist attacks, including suicide bombings.
Although Hamas is an independt group, the PA has the power to force it authority upon them. But as Sheik Ahmed Yassin told in a interview: Arafat and the PA helped them with the terror, rather then prevent it.
citizen-k
09-13-2003, 01:24 PM
Yeah but the difference is that Sharon has dismantled various settlement operations, and had pulled completely out of several occupied towns/villages. He may not have done everything that's in the road map yet, but there was tangible progress being made. The Palestinians on the other hand, did literally ZERO. They didn't do a single thing to slow down or stop the militants. They didn't get the security forces under a single command which was called for in the road map. All that matters, is that if the prime minister of the Palestinians, no matter who it is, is not willing to physically stop their own people from attacking Israel, nothing will ever progress here. Until that happens, it's all worthless.
Of ocurse, the difference is that Israel has a massive military that OBEYS ORDERS.
Arafat on the other hand, has no control over most of the organisations.
You see? So there is a small group of palestinans who don't want the peace process. All they have to do is bomb something, and all the palestinians get the blame.
And btw, the Israelis keep on building more settlements...
Oh really?!?!?!?
During the time the british were in Israel there were some groups who tried to hurt them - the Israeli leadership headed by Ben-Gurion hunted them down and gave them away to the british secret police! Thats called leadership! a nation can't have 2-3-4-5 leaders...
If Arafats would have wanted to stop terror he could do it in 2 seconds simply by ordering it!!!
unlike Israel and other DEMOCRATIC countries he can simply excute those who doesn't obay) - why isn't he? huh? The answer is simple: he doesn't want to!
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He219
09-13-2003, 01:55 PM
Peace ONLY comes after victory.
Peace can also be won away from the battlefield as best exhibited through vigilance against the Soviet Threat in the Cold War. The 'victory' was won with the destruction of the Soviet Communist system from within and not on the battlefield.
Subjugating the Palestinian Populace for the security of the Israeli State goes contrary to the beliefs in freedom and self-determination that we value as American citizens. Militant opposition to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is considered a direct threat to the Israeli State because validating Palestinian's rights could eventually alter the ethnic demographic composition of the Israeli State itself.
The moral argument to be questioned lies with imposing the political will of the Israeli State over the Palestininan populace in favor of racial domination as best displayed with the refusal for a 'right of return' and new laws barring Israeli citizens from marrying non-Israelis while simultaneously 'settling' an influx of Israeli immigrants.
I certainly favor an impartial and harsh response to terrorism that threatens the freedom of all individuals. To categorically deny the Palestinian populace their freedom because of the acts of terrorists is initself collective punishment. To me, a lasting investment in the security of Israeli citizens is to address and mitigate the plight of displaced and disposessed Palestinians.
As for Arafat, killing him will imortalize his resistance to the Israeli occupation. Deporting Arafat will be counterproductive to Israeli security. If clear evidence is given linking Arafat to Terrorism, then international courts should be implemented. As long as there is a determination to dominate an ethnic population by another, there will always be resistance to the action. In my mind there will be no Peace with the polarization of political wills spearheaded by both Arafat and Sharon.
Do you really believe that the Israeli State can be militarily defeated by aknowleging Palestinian rights? Enforcing ethnic demographic domination is initself a threat to democratic principles.
As Tane Angle says, just some thoughts...
;)
ArmoredDov_D9
09-13-2003, 04:54 PM
Peace can also be won away from the battlefield as best exhibited through vigilance against the Soviet Threat in the Cold War. The 'victory' was won with the destruction of the Soviet Communist system from within and not on the battlefield.
The USSR was outworn by the USA and fell apart.
Subjugating the Palestinian Populace for the security of the Israeli State goes contrary to the beliefs in freedom and self-determination that we value as American citizens. Militant opposition to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is considered a direct threat to the Israeli State because validating Palestinian's rights could eventually alter the ethnic demographic composition of the Israeli State itself.
That's why, the solution we offer is a state for the Palestinian, there they can take care of themselves. The Palestinian today are subjected to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and they have the right to vote to the Palestinian paralaiment and chairman office (Arafat deny them that right and since 1996 there were no elections in the PA).
The moral argument to be questioned lies with imposing the political will of the Israeli State over the Palestininan populace in favor of racial domination as best displayed with the refusal for a 'right of return' and new laws barring Israeli citizens from marrying non-Israelis while simultaneously 'settling' an influx of Israeli immigrants.
For Israeli, 'right of return' equals the destruction of Israel. And the Israelis got that right. The explaination is listed down.
Do you really believe that the Israeli State can be militarily defeated by aknowleging Palestinian rights? Enforcing ethnic demographic domination is initself a threat to democratic principles.
Not military, but demographicly, yes. Imagine million of Palestinian settling in Israel, having the majority in the parlaiment ("it is not human to deny them voting right") and pass a law that disbanding the state of Iarael and turn it into a part of an Arab Palestine. After that, the Arab majority will pass a law to disband the IDF and then a law that exile all Jews and letting slaughter those who remain. Yes, we affraid that the Nazi taking-over Germany will repeat itself in Israel swarmed by Palestinian. Palestinian are not Nazis, but they hold very semiliar opinions about the way Jews should be handled (if you don't believe me, I have some proofs. As a start - I suggest you will do a background check on the Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin El Hussainy - the leader of the Palestinians during the 1930's and 1940's).
Good day\night (whatever it is in your place)...
Maciek
09-14-2003, 05:00 AM
Not military, but demographicly, yes. Imagine million of Palestinian settling in Israel, having the majority in the parlaiment ("it is not human to deny them voting right") and pass a law that disbanding the state of Iarael and turn it into a part of an Arab Palestine. After that, the Arab majority will pass a law to disband the IDF and then a law that exile all Jews and letting slaughter those who remain. Yes, we affraid that the Nazi taking-over Germany will repeat itself in Israel swarmed by Palestinian. Palestinian are not Nazis, but they hold very semiliar opinions about the way Jews should be handled (if you don't believe me, I have some proofs. As a start - I suggest you will do a background check on the Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin El Hussainy - the leader of the Palestinians during the 1930's and 1940's).
The same will hapend to palestinians if the israelis will win this war. The settelers will push out palestinians.
Maciek
09-14-2003, 05:08 AM
If the Israelis expel Arafat they wont be able to bomb his HQ.:D
Did they think of that?
I think that this wont reduce Arafat power to torpedo peace proces
He219
09-14-2003, 07:36 AM
Not military, but demographicly, yes. Imagine million of Palestinian settling in Israel, having the majority in the parlaiment ("it is not human to deny them voting right") and pass a law that disbanding the state of Iarael and turn it into a part of an Arab Palestine. After that, the Arab majority will pass a law to disband the IDF and then a law that exile all Jews and letting slaughter those who remain. Yes, we affraid that the Nazi taking-over Germany will repeat itself in Israel swarmed by Palestinian. Palestinian are not Nazis, but they hold very semiliar opinions about the way Jews should be handled (if you don't believe me, I have some proofs. As a start - I suggest you will do a background check on the Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin El Hussainy - the leader of the Palestinians during the 1930's and 1940's).
ArmoredDov_D9, I appreciate the pleasant tone of your arguments in this last post as contrasted with that of previous. Thank you.
However, to say that you are 'offering a State' for the Palestinians is the personification of the prejudiced Israeli policy towards the inhabitants of lands occupied by military might. To deny any people the right to live free and without opression in their own homeland is an affront to all democratic principles. Selectively discriminating against a Palestinian 'right of return' in favor of a racially 'pure' state leads to semblances of a racism.
Racially manipulated demographics represent ethnocentric paranoya. In the United States, the racial compositon along with rotating immigration quota forms a dynamic demographic distribution. Ethnic groups previously in the majority now find themselved increasingly becomming a minority. This is a cyclical process that creates a demographic homogeneity that ensures the health of democracy itself.
So who gave Israel the right to be a racist state and deny a 'right of return' to its indigenous peoples? Who gave Israel the right to bar citizenship to Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens? Who says that Israel does not descriminate against Palestinians forced to flee or leave due to fighting in 1948?
If the Israeli state feels threatened by racial diversification, should we all follow suit and develop our our racially pure states? I wonder if we would be better off that way.....
Thanks again for being cordial.
;)
ArmoredDov_D9
09-14-2003, 07:58 AM
He219,
Every state in the world have the right to set is own immegration criteria. In Canada, only people rich enough can immegrate, in Israel - you have to be Jews. Since even Arabs can turm himself to a Jew (there was a TV story about a young Palestinian who escaped from the atrocities commited by his fellowmen to Israel and converted willingly to Judism) there is no place to accuse us in racism in that aspect. Moreover, we the right to deny the enemy from entering our cities when he decalres on every hilltop loud and clear that they shall not rest until all the Jews will be expelled. I believe we have the right to defend ourselves, both of our lives and both of our freedom as a Jewish independet state. Almost all the Israeli are willing to fight for those rights.
The Palstinian Al-Awda (the right for millions of refugees to return into Israel) means the destruction of Israel. We cannot agree to that. The right to Jews to live and the right for self-defence gives us the right to bar Palestinians entry to Israel.
The Palstinian Al-Awda (the right for millions of refugees to return into Israel) means the destruction of Israel.
The reason why it's so rediculous, is that they're not the original number of people that that left in the first place, but it's been many years so there's many times the original number. The only way this could happen, is if Israel goes away and the Palestinians take all of Israel's land.. no place to put them otherwise.
ArmoredDov_D9
09-14-2003, 10:45 AM
The only way this could happen, is if Israel goes away and the Palestinians take all of Israel's land.. no place to put them otherwise.
That's exactly why Palestinians aren't ready to give up of the "right of return".
As Faruk Kadmi, a senior in the PA told an interview: "the right of return is more important than Palestinian state."
Christkiller
09-14-2003, 07:17 PM
Armored, I'm glad we agree on many issues. I too think Arafat should be set on fire, or perhaps he and his fat wife could be poisoned or something. I take it you are a jew, and not an Arab. This is good. I am jewish too. Hopefully we can kill Arafat before the holy day on Friday, I want to be able to rest, with a clear head, you know? He's so ugly, and with that wierd hat on his head. Good thing we Jews don't wear wierd hats on our heads. Ugh. I hear Arabs don't use toilet paper, you won't see me shaking Arafat's hand!!! Death to Arabs, GO Israel!!! Let's put these Arabs in camps, they breed like flies!!!
Christkiller's account has been disabled.
hendrix33
09-14-2003, 08:52 PM
Christkiller's account has been disabled.
I hope it's obvious to everyone this guy was not Israeli or Jewish in anyway, but tried to make us look like fanatics.
He219
09-14-2003, 10:54 PM
Tried? Arguments favoring racial intollerance/dominance seem to make that assesment inescapable, especially while championing the continuing cycle of violence.
;)
Granted that Christkiller's facetious remarks 'crossed the line' of acceptible civilized behavior with his/her vocal promotion of homicidal ethnocentrism. Not good - period.
:backhand:
I prefer rational discussion.
Well, it was the 'which smells more, jews or arabs" poll that really did it. :)
ArmoredDov_D9
09-15-2003, 02:46 AM
Christkiller was an anti-Jewish scum who tried to made Israeli look bad by frauding. Even his nickname is very antisemite ("The Jews kill Jesus, now slaughter them all").
It is good that he was banned and ignored.
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