New Canadian armor

[ChuckThunder]

http://www.exn.ca/news/video/exn2004/09/15/exn20040915-firepaste3.asx

Not yet in use but pretty cool stuff.

[Uncle Sam]

That is some amazing shnit !! I like hearing about people who invent stuff to help save troops lives in combat.

Hopefully the U.S. will take note.

[Mark Sman]

Hey may have an intersting material, but that bag is like 5 inches thick.

Possible it could have applications. It looks fairly light, which is good.

[scm77]

That's amazing. I loved when he was in the anti-bear suit and jumped in front of the speeding truck. :lol:

[-Jack-]

What are the militarys of the world waiting for ?!?!?!?!

Its more than obvious we need it.

especially with the style of fighting the insurgents in Iraq have adopted.

Great post !! woot

[TALOS]

Too cool, lets get that stuff on some actual vehicles

[soma]

The inventor though is a bit nutty ;)

[scm77]

The inventor though is a bit nutty ;)

Yeah, I've seen him on the show that video was taken from a couple of times. He needs a doctor. :lol:

Apparently he has no scientific background for making his inventions. He just tries out different stuff and experiments to see what works,

[East]

Brilliant! I hope they get this stuff into the military soon. Great stuff...and its Canadian. ;)

[American Patriot]

Damnit.. I was getting ready to see what would happen when he shot the 'bag' of ceramic and metal plates minus his special 'paste.' Surely the rifle bullet would have gone thru them like butta

[[AFSOC]]

real cool

[Rakki]

The video appears to have been shot in 2002...?

What needs to be looked at however is the bulk and mass of this armor package - there's no point sticking the cushions over windows - because it defeats the purpose of having windows altogether - but if it's not too heavy then it can be used as ballistic protection in panels and the under-carriage.

[Mongrel]

I saw this on TV also...I can't believe our troops aren't using it yet.
I'd wear a vest made of that stuff anyday.

Cheers!
M.

[scm77]

The video appears to have been shot in 2002...?


Nope, it made refrence to the two Canadians killed when their Iltis hit a mine in A-stan. That happened in October 2003.

[aartamen]

Did anyone see the program about him and his bear-suits? It was hilarious, I cracked up at least every 5 minutes. Do you know the reason he wants a bear suit? He wants to draw grizzly blood during the hybernation. I forgot why he neads it. But the fact that he spent years developing the suit but never got close to a bear suggests a whol lot of different unflattering ideas about him. How much kevlar does a IV suit have?

[aartamen]

I saw this on TV also...I can't believe our troops aren't using it yet.
I'd wear a vest made of that stuff anyday.

Cheers!
M.

That's a lot thicker than level IV. Level IV is practically impossible to wear other than for short periods. And it's not going to be a vest, it would like like a packing crate.

[Mark Sman]

The only thing I take exception with is:


no scientific background

Naw man. Scientific background isn't earned in a school.

Its earned by applying the scientific method. This guys builds stuff, tests it, breaks it. Then gives it another go with something else. That's scientific method. That's a scientist.

Albeit, possibly a slightly mad one,

Also, his materials may have applications, but that has to be engineered.

Engineering is even more hit and miss than science, Its a grey world in which the stupid is king. If it works. Even if, according to all science, it shouldn't.

[Mongrel]

I saw this on TV also...I can't believe our troops aren't using it yet.
I'd wear a vest made of that stuff anyday.

Cheers!
M.

That's a lot thicker than level IV. Level IV is practically impossible to wear other than for short periods. And it's not going to be a vest, it would like like a packing crate.

M:
No I'm not talking about the 'bear suit', I'm talking about the Armour..watch the vid. IMHO this person is a genius, and just goes to show that one doesn't need a degree to build something that works, and save lives.

Cheers!
M.

[RSK]

God Bless the Canadians!

[aartamen]

M:
No I'm not talking about the 'bear suit', I'm talking about the Armour..watch the vid. IMHO this person is a genius, and just goes to show that one doesn't need a degree to build something that works, and save lives.

Cheers!
M.

I am talking about the armor too. What do you think a vest made from those pillows would look like and weigh? How possible is it going to be move and shoot in it?

Another thing occured to me. There was no attempt to direct the explosions force. I think an inch of steel would have had the same effect. And his packet had some steel in it.

If I was in that mil. guy shoes, I'd say anything to get away from that nut and his guns and explosives.

[-Jack-]

God Bless the Canadians!

I wouldn't go THAT far :roll:

lol

[-Jack-]

M:
No I'm not talking about the 'bear suit', I'm talking about the Armour..watch the vid. IMHO this person is a genius, and just goes to show that one doesn't need a degree to build something that works, and save lives.

Cheers!
M.

I am talking about the armor too. What do you think a vest made from those pillows would look like and weigh? How possible is it going to be move and shoot in it?

Another thing occured to me. There was no attempt to direct the explosions force. I think an inch of steel would have had the same effect. And his packet had some steel in it.

If I was in that mil. guy shoes, I'd say anything to get away from that nut and his guns and explosives.

Its fairly light.

But he didn't intend it for personel use.
It was built in-mind for IED's and Convoy attacks etc. I think these pads (if they were larger) would be ideal for M113's, RPG rounds tend to go through them like butter. Also if it was used on the under carriage of ANY vehicles it would be a MASSIVE life saver.
Quite frankly everyday the military ponder the idea of using this the more troops are paying the price, guys (and women) are dying everyday, it needs to stop !

[scm77]

He seemed to be carrying them with one hand pretty easily. It can't be too heavy.

[Bitterman]

I think they said they were only 4 pounds.

[Mongrel]

aartamen wrote:


I am talking about the armor too. What do you think a vest made from those pillows would look like and weigh? How possible is it going to be move and shoot in it?

MH: The test material was door VS RPG, one for small arms wouldn't need to be this bulky. Nothing short of a horseshoe up ones ass (Divine LUCK) will save them against RPG vs trooper.


Another thing occured to me. There was no attempt to direct the explosions force. I think an inch of steel would have had the same effect. And his packet had some steel in it.

MH: The last thing he did is run the same test without the packets, and the steel was blown to bits, so it was a clear demo that steel alone is not good enogh against that type of force. A 1" steel plate is NOTHING against an RPG, and not to mention many Russian built small arms also.


If I was in that mil. guy shoes, I'd say anything to get away from that nut and his guns and explosives.

MH: Well some day when I am walking a DMZ wearing body armour made from this stuff I'll be happy you had no say in this matter.

Bad enogh our gov' is wasting money buying crappy US strykers. Time for Canada to start thinking on it's own, and stop buying crappy surplus. We have allot of good home grown talent and ideas in our own country.

Cheers!
M.

[Uncle Sam]

I look at this stuff as a starting point.

From the video, it worked very well, and I'm sure some "smart guys" can figure out how to make it better.

This so called "nut" has stumbled upon something that works, and can save lives.

I don't see much coming from our Govt's these days, do you?

Oh wait, "up-armored" Hummers that are just beefed up sardine cans...Riiiigghhht !

[Ghostwolf]

They should have tested that thing at the army firing range, I have not seen it tested with
C6 GPMG(M240), C9 LMG(M249), AT-4(or M72 LAW) if the army has a few to spare, so I still
have doubt about its effectiveness. Besides it's too bulky for a soldier to wear them, it needs
to be compressed down into plate size so it will not affect a soldier's mobility and the aiming
of weapon.

[scm77]

He did say he wanted it to be on jeeps.

[Mongrel]

Yes Jeep armour is his goal, but IMHO it is a good step all the way up the armour food chain.

Remember how bulky, and heavy the old "Combat vests" used to be just 20 years ago?

Not sure where this is going to go as so far it seems that anything that makes sense is avoided by our military...his product might be "too good".
:cantbeli:

Cheers!
M.

[Rantanplan]

I like this guy. :D

[Yes Man]

If it is lighter than sand bags, I'm all for it...I can think of many places where I could put it.

[VorpalDoom]

sounds good to me. imagine a tank with a few layers of that and then some reactive armor just to boot. :D

[Ghostwolf]

I remembered seeing this guy on "Ripley's believe it or not" show wearing his armor suit,
and whacked by a wrecking ball against a brick wall. He survived the stunt with only a
small dent on his armor suit.

[ctcboy]

There is a fine line between genius and insanity and this guy clearly straddles it. That being said it does seem like he has come up with some really good stuff. It just needs someone to apply it correctly.

[aartamen]

His packet included 60 layers of kevlar and some steel. I think level IV vest would have the same effect. There's already wearable armor that stops AP .50BMG rounds. There's glass that does the same.

And the explosion vs "steel" was directed at a car door. The thing you can dent with your fist. I am talking about an inch of HRA.

[Viktor_s]

Cool, but like most inventors - crazy.
The guy is spastic.

[platform389]

The primary threats are IED's, RPG's, and true land mines. Give this guy a couple of actual Canadian Army military vehicles and test his invention against those.

His demo was interesting, but he should get a chance to test against the actual threat. An anti tank mine or RPG is going to be tough to beat.

[oldsoak]

Behind most of the great inventions stands a nutter. :)
B*gger it - if its saves lives, lets hope it gets developed quickly.

[aartamen]

His bear suit will see practical implementation first.

[JasonH]

Did anyone see the program about him and his bear-suits? It was hilarious, I cracked up at least every 5 minutes. Do you know the reason he wants a bear suit? He wants to draw grizzly blood during the hybernation. I forgot why he neads it. But the fact that he spent years developing the suit but never got close to a bear suggests a whol lot of different unflattering ideas about him. How much kevlar does a IV suit have?

He took the suit up against a Cougar, I think that about does it

[Avary]

Christ, that guy is LOCO. But his invention works.

[Mikey]

I am truely impressed... it's beautiful work!