They were all born in the USA. Embarassing, ain't it?

[fdt]

The Boss has spoken (and sung) against Bush. The great living pop-icon of the "True Americanism", herold of "Real American Values" (or just the guy who only has all his clothes, guitars and underware in stars and stripes) has made his choice. Rest of the gang (the guys of REM, Pearl Jam and few others) joining the anti-Bush campaign, didn't do anything, what couldn't be foreseen, but The Boss...?




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5600763/

The Associated Press
Updated: 4:09 p.m. ET Aug. 4, 2004NEW YORK

Members of the group "Vote for Change" will perform in a series of fund-raising concerts in nine swing states before the presidential election in an effort to unseat President Bush. From left are Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard: Boyd Tinsley of the Dave Matthews Band, Jackson Browne; Martie Maguire of the Dixie Chicks, Steven Van Zandt from Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Dave Matthews, Bruce Springsteen, Emily Robison of the Dixie Chicks, Patti Scialfa of Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam, Bonnie Raitt, Ben Gibbard of Death Cab for Cutie, John Mellencamp, Nick Harmer of Death Cab for Cutie and R.E.M's Mike Mills.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040804/040804_votechange_hlrg_7a.hlarge.jpg

A collection of more than 20 prominent musicians from John Fogerty to Bruce Springsteen to Pearl Jam joined forces Wednesday calling for President Bush’s ouster, announcing an unprecedented series of fund-raising concerts across nine swing states.

“I feel this is one of the most critical elections in my lifetime,” Springsteen told The Associated Press in the most overtly political statement of his career. “This wasn’t one that a concerned citizen felt comfortable sitting out.”

Springsteen was joined by a collection of performers that spanned generations and genres: country act the Dixie Chicks, hip-hoppers Jurassic 5, bluesman Keb’ Mo’ and classic rockers John Mellencamp and Jackson Browne. The artists, touring under the “Vote for Change” banner, will play 34 shows in 28 cities between Oct. 1-8.

Springsteen’s concerns and commitment were shared by other performers, including Dave Matthews and his band.

“It’s the first time Bruce and the E Street Band ever stood up and made a clear political statement,” Matthews told The AP. “This is the first time we’ve ever stood as a band, unified, and said we want a change.”





http://www.brucespringsteen.net/news/

CHORDS FOR CHANGE
By BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
published in The New York Times, August 5, 2004

A nation's artists and musicians have a particular place in its social and political life. Over the years I've tried to think long and hard about what it means to be American: about the distinctive identity and position we have in the world, and how that position is best carried. I've tried to write songs that speak to our pride and criticize our failures.

These questions are at the heart of this election: who we are, what we stand for, why we fight. Personally, for the last 25 years I have always stayed one step away from partisan politics. Instead, I have been partisan about a set of ideals: economic justice, civil rights, a humane foreign policy, freedom and a decent life for all of our citizens. This year, however, for many of us the stakes have risen too high to sit this election out.

Through my work, I've always tried to ask hard questions. Why is it that the wealthiest nation in the world finds it so hard to keep its promise and faith with its weakest citizens? Why do we continue to find it so difficult to see beyond the veil of race? How do we conduct ourselves during difficult times without killing the things we hold dear? Why does the fulfillment of our promise as a people always seem to be just within grasp yet forever out of reach?

I don't think John Kerry and John Edwards have all the answers. I do believe they are sincerely interested in asking the right questions and working their way toward honest solutions. They understand that we need an administration that places a priority on fairness, curiosity, openness, humility, concern for all America's citizens, courage and faith.

People have different notions of these values, and they live them out in different ways. I've tried to sing about some of them in my songs. But I have my own ideas about what they mean, too. That is why I plan to join with many fellow artists, including the Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, Jurassic 5, James Taylor and Jackson Browne, in touring the country this October. We will be performing under the umbrella of a new group called Vote for Change. Our goal is to change the direction of the government and change the current administration come November.

Like many others, in the aftermath of 9/11, I felt the country's unity. I don't remember anything quite like it. I supported the decision to enter Afghanistan and I hoped that the seriousness of the times would bring forth strength, humility and wisdom in our leaders. Instead, we dived headlong into an unnecessary war in Iraq, offering up the lives of our young men and women under circumstances that are now discredited. We ran record deficits, while simultaneously cutting and squeezing services like afterschool programs. We granted tax cuts to the richest 1 percent (corporate bigwigs, well-to-do guitar players), increasing the division of wealth that threatens to destroy our social contract with one another and render mute the promise of "one nation indivisible."

It is through the truthful exercising of the best of human qualities - respect for others, honesty about ourselves, faith in our ideals - that we come to life in God's eyes. It is how our soul, as a nation and as individuals, is revealed. Our American government has strayed too far from American values. It is time to pick up the pieces and move forward. The country we carry in our hearts is waiting.

[Phil642]

I agree witht that band of good cityzen, nice job! p-)

Bush and his friends made too much money with wars, it's time to stop them now. woot

[SeanAshi]

Just like Hollywood...they think they have all the right answers...

[BarkingSquirrel]

I agree witht that band of good cityzen, nice job! p-)

Bush and his friends made too much money with wars, it's time to stop them now. woothttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Parasaur/4_1_72.gif

[chauncy republicans]

Just like Hollywood...they think they have all the right answers...
The same also goes for Texans, and how coincidental the Texan we have in office can't even name three mistakes he's made as President. Talk about having all the answers... :cantbeli:

[BarkingSquirrel]

There's a difference between not being able to, and not wanting to p-)

[Flagg]

I've been a big fan of Springsteen for a LONG time......seeing him guest encore at the U2 Joshua Tree Tour at JFK in Philadelphia during 87 was amazing.

But i've got to tell ya.....teaming up with Pearl Jam is a mistake.

Has anyone ever heard Eddie Vetter speak on "issues" when seemingly high? It's quite embarrassing.

My opinion is that court jesters are paid to entertain us......not to sway me with their amateurish take on foreign policy

[Phil642]

I agree with you Flagg but Spingsteen has always been involved in politics ins't it?

[Flagg]

I agree with you Flagg but Spingsteen has always been involved in politics ins't it?

To the best of my knowledge, the only time Springsteen commented on politics was when during the mid 1980's his hit "Born in the USA" was used as a positive rally cry by then President Reagan.

Springsteen refuted the President's use of the song by never having given permission to use it for political purposes and stated to the effect it was not wirtte as a patriotic song, but as a song about the plight of forgotten Vietnam Veterans

[oldsoak]

Its just the mark of a democracy that some say yea and some say nay. The day there isnt someone being contrary will be the time to start wondering where a country is headed for.

[Ichhabe]

Just like Hollywood...they think they have all the right answers...

Arold Schwartzenegger anyone? (But since he imagine that he is a Republican I'll guess it is ok then, eh??

[maundy]

I heard Bush spent his first day or so of life in Australia, and that he was born here.

[BlackRain]

Bush and his friends made too much money with wars, it's time to stop them now. woot


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40163000/jpg/_40163712_protest_london_ap203.jpg

[achilles]

Its just the mark of a democracy that some say yea and some say nay. The day there isnt someone being contrary will be the time to start wondering where a country is headed for.

bullseye!

Now let me get back to my thoughts and try to isolated where and what exactly the 'shaming' part is...regarding Springsteen or anyone else for that matter...It wouldnt have been a shame had he been supporting bush huh?

Let the boss express himself for fuk's sake... p-)

[Durandal]

To the best of my knowledge, the only time Springsteen commented on politics was when during the mid 1980's his hit "Born in the USA" was used as a positive rally cry by then President Reagan.

Don't forget his AIDS research promotion...which was considered political at the time.

Personally I care little either way. I know not all musicians share my political beliefs, just like some of my friends do not.

Being citizens of this nation, they are allowed to speak their mind AND organize.

At the same time, if people want to organize against them, that is their right as well.

Arguing for or against is imply a waste of time.

[USMC8541]

Just because a person can play musical instruments and sing well does not mean his opinion is worth jack $hit more than anyone elses.

He entertains people for a living, where does he get off thinking that what he has to say is any more important than the rest of us.

All of this...and Hollywood....actors who make a living pretending to be someone else for our entertainment...who the hell do they think they are??

[ElHombre]

I heard Bush spent his first day or so of life in Australia, and that he was born here.

no, it was the family home in connetticut. his father moved the family down to midland, texas when w. was a baby. sr. was getting into the oil bidness.

[Durandal]

...who the hell do they think they are??

American citizens that are no more or less equal than you.

[fdt]

...who the hell do they think they are??

American citizens that are no more or less equal than you.With small correction... if it would be as You say, they should rather simply go to the polling place and just VOTE. Nothing more nothing less.

[Cambridge Rabbit]

Bruce Springsteen and John Mellencamp have always irritated the **** out of me. Mark Knopfler did the likeable, hard-working, all-American rock n' roll boy routine much better than those two queens and Mark Knopfler is British.

Ben Gibbard, John Fogerty, and Jurassic 5 rule, though. I'll probably listen in just to hear them.

[penna]

i'm not a fan of celebrities shooting off their mouths like idiots. me and my friends almost rioted when ben assflack showed up here to campaign for kerry, even though he don't give a damn about my state.

arnold schwarzenegger shouldn't have been elected to office here anyhow either.

by the way, i like mark knopfler's music.

[GazB]

Ummm... wasn't Born in the USA a political song about the (poor) treatment of US vets returning from the vietnam war... they were treated on the most part like "baby killers". Listen to the Lyrics.

It is interesting that to be anti bush is to be unamerican, or undemocratic. Who exactly decides which are the good presidents and who are the bad ones? Silly me thinking everyone has a right to their own opinion. Forgot that is not how it works in a communist state... like the USA.

[Flagg]

Ummm... wasn't Born in the USA a political song about the (poor) treatment of US vets returning from the vietnam war... they were treated on the most part like "baby killers". Listen to the Lyrics.

Yup....mentioned on page 1


It is interesting that to be anti bush is to be unamerican, or undemocratic.

BS...just like you're a war-junkie imperialist if you support him


Who exactly decides which are the good presidents and who are the bad ones?

The history books.....generally the more time passes, the more accurate the portrait becomes



Silly me thinking everyone has a right to their own opinion. Forgot that is not how it works in a communist state... like the USA.

It's NOT a question of opinion.......it IS a question of influence

Is it appropriate for entertainers to use their celebrity to intentionally attempt to sway voters to a particular political cause?

Buying votes using celebrity as currency is just as morally reprehensible as buying them with real dollars.

[Sir Zach of R.]

I've got a song I'd like to sing about the French Chicks (they ain't country anymore, change yer damn name!)

They come off soundin' pretty pompous/each time they open their mouths/you can't believe it when you hear it/what they let come rollin' out/don't know why they're so super hateful/ain't like they've got it so bad/if they'd do more singin' and less talkin'/I think we'd all be glad

Chorus:
Say goodbye to Natalie/adios Marty and Emily/they think they're way to cool/the Chicks no longer rule/all country fans agree/now they're threatening to quit/like we really give a sh*t/they say they're going pop/last time it was a flop/but we won't soon forget/ Marty, Emily and Natalie.

Was it the lack of nominations/at this year's CMA's/that got 'em tradin' in their banjos/for a drum machine and DJ/next thing y'know they'll be on soul train /out on the road with Eminem/they'll put some bling-bling in their videos/and we'll all make fun of them (laughter)

Chorus:

Say goodbye to Natalie/adios Marty and Emily/the only folks in line/are holdin' picket signs/and burnin' Chicks CDs/wasn't it a sight to see/'em posin' nekked on a magazine/now everybody knows/ they're overexposed/if you know what I mean/Marty, Emily and Natilie/

So go load up yer tour bus and pull on out/'cause yer careers may soon be done/you bunch'a multi-platinum jackass millionaires/hey hey rock n' roll/here the come

Chorus:

Say goodbye to Natalie/adios Marty and Emily/we hate to see it end why can't we be friends/please don't be mad at me/Marty, Emily and Natalie.

rofl rofl rofl

[[SAB]Grey]

Yeah who cares about the 1st amendment anyway. :roll:

[Root]

There's a difference between not being able to, and not wanting to

Yes, and both are equally incompetent.


I've got a song I'd like to sing about the French Chicks (they ain't country anymore, change yer damn name!)
That's probably the one of the saddest things I've ever heard a fellow american say.

Not to mention most of the music you people refer to as country today is **** compared to Hank Williams (Jr, III) and the late, great Johnny Cash, which makes that comment even more ridiculous.

[mi35d]

The whole "mistake" question has been a political trick for years.

The man was in a no win situation. If he says nothing, he's accused of being stubborn.

If he admits a mistake, within twenty minutes the DNC has a new commercial.

<<Cue Ominous Music>>

Narrator: (Deep, dark, pissed voice:) George Bush admitted he made a mistake - We don't need a president who makes mistakes. Vote for John Kerry - he won't make mistakes and he can also make the crippled walk!

[Cambridge Rabbit]

That's probably the one of the saddest things I've ever heard a fellow american say.

Not to mention most of the music you people refer to as country today is **** compared to Hank Williams (Jr, III) and the late, great Johnny Cash, which makes that comment even more ridiculous.

I don't know who you are, but I love you.

[vryhpyammoadded]

It is interesting that to be anti bush is to be unamerican, or undemocratic.
Silly me thinking everyone has a right to their own opinion. Forgot that is not how it works in a communist state... like the USA.

And like so many propagandists are happy to quote, a lie can become as believable as the truth if you tell it often enough.

I’m vocally anti Bush and anti Kerry and I don’t have neighbors pressing me to stop or see hordes of rightwing death squads outside my door nor is the FBI or homeland defense harassing me about documents, discussions and debates concerning how the Constitution is being used to wipe certain political interest arsess but, there were some leftwing university loonies who egged my car, sh*t on my door step, threatened further property damage, made harassing phone calls and frightened my daughter because I politely disagreed with them and there candidate at a local Democrat party meeting.
When I went to the local Republican Party meeting to try my “fix the government pitch”, conservatives provided a short lively debate, fed me a great meal and invited me back later for another round and all I did was accuse them of lying to the public and being corrupt.
One party has gone completely insane and the other doesn’t care. Whatever…

As for the musicians for Kerry, they can do whatever they please to support him as long as they don’t break any campaign laws. It’s a free country you know...
;)

[James]

Just like Hollywood...they think they have all the right answers...

That's the pot calling the kettle black... Most users of this forum mistakenly believe they have all the answers too...

[California Joe]

They can voice their opinions as they see fit. Anyone that votes because P Diddy told them to is an imbecile but still an American with that right. I don't know what's worse, ill informed voters doing what their favorite stars tell them or jag offs that only listen to people that push an agenda that squares with their own single issue political view point and "consider" themselves well informed voting.

[mr.x]

chauncy republican wrote

The same also goes for Texans, and how coincidental the Texan we have in office can't even name three mistakes he's made as President. Talk about having all the answers...

That is one of the most patently stupid observations I have seen on this board.

So what are African Americans like?
or homo******s?
or North Easteners?

bias is bias and stereotypes are just as ridiculous.

I live in Texas but am not a Texan, i am originally from Illinois.

[Sir Zach of R.]

There's a difference between not being able to, and not wanting to

Yes, and both are equally incompetent.


I've got a song I'd like to sing about the French Chicks (they ain't country anymore, change yer damn name!)
That's probably the one of the saddest things I've ever heard a fellow american say.

Not to mention most of the music you people refer to as country today is **** compared to Hank Williams (Jr, III) and the late, great Johnny Cash, which makes that comment even more ridiculous.

You're actually right about the second part. Johnny Cash will always be remembered as one of the greats of country. I don't understand how my comment is so ridiculous, the Dixie Chicks were against literally everything that country music stands for. I haven't hated the Dixie Chicks since early '03, I've hated em since they came out against the Angry American. You obviously sound like a country music fan, so you know which song I'm talking about.

The way Natalie Maines came out against Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue just sickens me. Saying it was arrogant, and TK was an ignorant redneck. Not only did she insult TK, she also insulted a very large portion of the country music community. The Angry American was ofcourse written and recorded after 9/11, and was sang only to the troops serving in Afghanistan. It wasn't until James Stroud convinced TK to release the song, that it really caught on. I believe that Natalie had a problem with the song implying that we would put a boot up al Qaeda's ass. I don't have a problem with that. Do you? I sure as hell hope not.

[Pooga]

Bush and his friends made too much money with wars, it's time to stop them now.


Yeah like -$200 billion guzillion.

[Pooga]

It is interesting that to be anti bush is to be unamerican, or undemocratic.
Nobody's saying it's undemocratic. Durrrrrr.


Silly me thinking everyone has a right to their own opinion. Forgot that is not how it works in a communist state... like the USA.
Wait, so people disapproving of these people don't have "a right to voice their own opinion," because that's like the Soviets and other totalitarian regimes? Maybe if President Bush sent out the Secret Service to kidnap these peeps and put them in gulags, but not general disapproval. That's a contradiction in itself.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

HAHA, other than Death Cab for Cutie, the rest of these BUMS are washed up and don't attract the new "young" crowd. BTW the only half decent artist in the pic is Jackson Browne, but I was already aware he was in the far left. It doesn't take long to lose your "hipness," and all of these folks haven't made good music in yrs and in my personal opinion, haven't ever made good music...once some actual good bands start doing this all I'll do is laugh at these idiots! HAHA!

[Knutsen]

I think these artists are expressing their political opinion as US citizens. MAny people here do the same (mostly in favour on Bush ) and nobody complains. So whay shouldn't they?
The point is what California Joe said, if you're gonna vote just for what these artists say then you are an idiot. ( the same goes for the other 'side')

[Porta_jon]

If you dont liek springsteen you all can suck it

[Knutsen]

I like Pearl Jam.

[walford]

http://utopia-unmasked.us/ronstadt-whoopi.html
Hollywood Backlash Continues July 20, 2004

Certain entertainment industry figures are having a tough time going beyond their qualifications by engaging in political discourse. 1970s diva Linda Ronstadt was recently booed off the stage for casting filmmaker Michael Moore as a truth-spreading “patriot” and encouraging the audience to see Fahrenheit 9/11.

Las Vegas’ Aladdin Hotel president Bill Timmins reportedly had Ronstadt summarily ejected from her quarters for having “spoiled a lovely evening for our guests” by needlessly causing “all bedlam” to break loose. [Note: there were no fires, looting, brawling, etc. – these were not anti-globalization protesters, after all. Some posters were torn down, but the majority of the outrage was confined to catcalls and patrons storming from the venue.] The Left is already in an uproar over this. The Internet forum Democratic Underground is encouraging members to deluge the hotel with protest calls, e-mails and letters.

We have already seen Whoopi Goldberg’s martyrdom for being champion of free speech and controversial ideas. Last week on Fox News’ O’Reilly Factor, Newsday columnist Ellis Henican and legal analyst Lis Wiehl lamented how Slim Fast cravenly acquiesced to ‘right-wing pressure groups’ by dropping Goldberg as their advertising spokesperson.

-- All this for a scantly quoted off-the-cuff assertion that a certain part of her body is more qualified to be President of the United States than is the incumbent.

Henican and Wiehl further alluded to an apparent double-standard in allowing Vice-President Cheney a pass for dropping the F-bomb on the Senate floor. There is a slight difference, of course. Cheney’s remarks were muttered in a private exchange between himself and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.). They were made public via anonymous Senate staffers.

In contrast, Goldberg’s diatribe spewed into a microphone at a $7.5 million Democratic fundraiser at New York City’s Radio City Music Hall. To these were added such comments as Jessica Lange characterizing the Bush administration as a “self-serving regime of deceit, hypocrisy and belligerence.” Chevy Chase went on to describe the President as a man who is as “bright as an egg-timer.”

In attendance was Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. John F. Kerry, who praised these and similar comments by the ‘star-studded’ troupe of Hollywood luminaries as the ‘heart and soul of America’ given voice.

AIM Report editor Cliff Kincaid has already noted how the media is less than eager to press for the tapes’ public release. Kerry and his handlers are too politically astute to allow the untrustworthy general public access to dialogue meant for internal consumption only – especially on video.

Lis Wiehl also hinted at boycotting Slim Fast for depriving Goldberg of future advertising income. Ellis Henican added that such corporate punishment for political speech is an outrage, pointing out that conservatives would not take kindly to similar treatment.

First of all, the idea that a corporation -- employing thousands of people -- should be financially penalized because it will not subsidize someone who abuses her name recognition by taking sides in a political contest is ‘socially retrogressive,’ is it not? Having some experience with marketing, my guess is Slim Fast’s position likely hinges upon the fact that product promotion has no expected benefit [and much to lose] in being associated with unnecessary stands on controversial issues – one way or the other.

Further, the few conservatives who are in the entertainment industry may occasionally encourage all Americans to ‘support the troops,’ but are not making insulting and vulgar references to the Democratic candidate. Nor are they using the occasion of a live performance to promote an openly partisan propaganda film [the likes of which simply does not exist on the opposing side, by the way]. The Left and Right are not mirror images of each other -- there is an ESSENTIAL difference.

There are certain elitists in the entertainment industry who seem to believe that their visibility anoints them with some Special Wisdom that goes beyond their life experience, education and/or training. In reality, the ability to sell records or make faces in front of a camera qualifies them for nothing beyond those narrow pursuits. Until and unless they can debate the issues with the likes of William F. Buckley, entertainers should consider confining themselves to their professions.

If not, these para-pundits should stifle their shock when the ‘uneducated masses’ choose to conspicuously reject their ill-advised and ill-informed attempts at political pedagogy.

[aartamen]

If you dont liek springsteen you all can suck it

What's a liek?

[moughoun]

If you dont liek springsteen you all can suck it

What's a liek?
your giving grammar lesson's now rofl, fixed to hide my shame

[walford]

duplicate

[walford]

your giving gramm[a]r lesson's now
...and spelling, my friend.

BTW you avatars are very...distracting. Is that your 'sneezing' lady from behind? I've always been fond of the 'diamond' formation. :P

[moughoun]

your giving gramm[a]r lesson's now
...and spelling, my friend.

BTW you avatars are very...distracting. I've always been fond of the 'diamond' formation. :P
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :oops: :cantbeli:

[Haiw]

It's lessons...not lesson's. p-)

[California Joe]

Careful, Haiw will give you "lesions"

James Taylor is a motherf*cking genius.

[MARINO]

:bash:

[GazB]

It's NOT a question of opinion.......it IS a question of influence

Is it appropriate for entertainers to use their celebrity to intentionally attempt to sway voters to a particular political cause?

Buying votes using celebrity as currency is just as morally reprehensible as buying them with real dollars.

WTF are you on about? Are you saying that anyone famous can't make their views public because it might influence voters?

I guess RUNNING AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN might influence voters too.. shoudl that be banned?

Anyone stupid enough to vote for someone because superman votes for him, or spiderman is watchin his ass for him was probably one of those Florida voters that didn't understand "use a pen to punch a hole in the card next to the name of the person you wish to vote for" and had their votes disqualified anyway.


I believe that Natalie had a problem with the song implying that we would put a boot up al Qaeda's ass.

Weelll the US created him, so I guess it is olny right you put him down when he turns on yaa.


James Taylor is a motherf*cking genius.

I certainly agree on that... real talent.

[Flagg]

It's NOT a question of opinion.......it IS a question of influence

Is it appropriate for entertainers to use their celebrity to intentionally attempt to sway voters to a particular political cause?

Buying votes using celebrity as currency is just as morally reprehensible as buying them with real dollars.



WTF are you on about?

Exactly what I've stated...maybe read it again.


Are you saying that anyone famous can't make their views public because it might influence voters?

NO, I implied that it's as inapproriate and stated it's as morally reprehensible as someone who buys votes with CASH......exactly where did I say "can't"?

Legal and appropriate are not always found working in tandem.


I guess RUNNING AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN might influence voters too.. shoudl that be banned?

Way to go off on a tangent....exactly how did you jump to that conclusion?


Anyone stupid enough to vote for someone because superman votes for him, or spiderman is watchin his ass for him was probably one of those Florida voters that didn't understand "use a pen to punch a hole in the card next to the name of the person you wish to vote for" and had their votes disqualified anyway.

Ehhh? What are YOU on about?

So I guess celebrity endorsements are ineffective? All those multimillion deals are just smoke and mirrors?

If you claim to have NEVER been influenced by celebrity endorsements you would be a telling a porky and I would call you a liar.

How does that make you any better than a person influenced to vote a particular way by a celebrity they admire?

And to the original point I made......how does that differ from an unknown millionaire handing out thousand dollar bills to vote a particular way at the polling station?

[Sir Zach of R.]

[quote] I believe that Natalie had a problem with the song implying that we would put a boot up al Qaeda's ass.

Weelll the US created him, so I guess it is olny right you put him down when he turns on yaa.


That is the biggest pile of bull**** I've seen in days. How did we create him? We helped him and his compadres defeat the Soviets before there even was an al Qaeda. I don't even know why bin Laden decided to create al Qaeda, whether it was the US involvement in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, I have no idea, other than what the historians tell me.

I do believe that the Clinton administration let the al Qaeda infection spread. So, in some ways, I suppose you could say that we did nothing about it for a number of years (8 1/2 to be exact,) but the US certainly did not create him. The Clinton administration was offered bin Laden's head on a pallet, yet we did nothing about. In 1998, we had credible intelligence as to the exact location of UBL. Even after US SOF had formulated a plan, Bill Clinton still would not give the go ahead.

The same can be said about Imad Fayiz Mughniyah, the leader of the terrorists who hijacked TWA Flight 847. Devgru was following a small cargo ship, which was carrying Mughniyah. Yet, the Clinton administration did nothing.

Reagan did not create UBL, neither did Bush senior. UBL created himself. Clinton didn't create him either, but he certainly did nothing to counter-act UBL's growing threat.

[sethen]

Just like Hollywood...they think they have all the right answers...

Just like the Texans/Israelis, am I correct meine jude? p-)

[Phil642]

Bush has also his band: p-)

http://j.wahl.free.fr/photos/philarmo.jpg

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Ah, the Hollywood left. People who every day lower themselves to do things that most of us would find unacceptably degrading or embarrassing - all in exchange for the almighty dollar. Yes, these are the folks who I consider to be the very salt of the earth - truly the backbone of the nation.

The very clowns who bring the world the reeking tidal wave of American media - that the world is using to judge American culture. The American media empire of violence and **** that the Islamic world is lashing out against in an attempt to protect itself from being engulfed. It's kind of funny to watch - it's as if they realize what they’ve done is horribly wrong - and that rather than stop it - they choose to just fight against the enemy of their enemy. Do they think the Islamists will make nice? Nah - the Boss's head would be lopped off in short order anyhow.

But the important thing is that by doing this, they make themselves feel better. And isn't that what the culture they've created is really all about anyhow?

[Dennis G]

Well, Bruce Springstein ought to send his tax cut to some organziations that helps the poor if he feels that the tax cut was the wrong thing to do since the poor in this country need so much help. Better still, GIVE IT BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT!

I'll bet good money that didn't happen.


And Europe had its idiot

Bush has also his band: p-)

[Saranof]

Well, Bruce Springstein ought to send his tax cut to some organziations that helps the poor if he feels that the tax cut was the wrong thing to do since the poor in this country need so much help. Better still, GIVE IT BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT!

I'll bet good money that didn't happen.





Got nothing to do with the question, Springsteen isn't the government.
Whatever he can give moneywise wouldn't matter in the big scale. I've always hated hat "well, if you care so much how come you don't give a load of money!!1" Because it really wouldn't matter in the long run.

[usa320]

FUKC YOU ALL. IM VOTING NADER!

[ROY H]

green peace wacko that wants to out law my SUV **** him

[basket of soft kittens]

green peace wacko that wants to out law my SUV f*** him

nader 2016 ..im realisistic