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Seraphim
09-14-2003, 08:39 AM
http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?vts=091420030525


JERUSALEM, Sept. 14 — Israel’s vice prime minister said Sunday that killing Yasser Arafat is an option being considered following a decision to “remove” the Palestinian leader.

“KILLING (ARAFAT) is definitely one of the options” open to the army after last week’s decision by Israel’s security Cabinet to “remove” Arafat, vice premier Ehud Olmert told Israel Radio.
The statement echoed threats by other Israeli leaders who have said they are keeping options open as to whether the decision means Arafat will be expelled, further isolated at his West Bank compound or dealt with more harshly. But Olmert, considered a likely future candidate for premier, is the official closest to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to state Arafat might be killed.

ARAFAT URGES RETURN TO PEACE TALKS
On the 10th anniversary of an ambitious peace accord whose goals were never achieved, Yasser Arafat on Saturday urged Israel to return to peace talks - days after Israeli leaders threatened to send him into exile in response to Palestinian suicide bombings.
As thousands of schoolchildren rallied outside his battered, sandbagged headquarters, Arafat told visiting foreign diplomats that the Palestinians were facing their most difficult moment since the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993, on the White House lawn.
“The problem is not just my problem and the threats that Israel has made to eliminate or remove me,” Arafat said. “The problem, the real danger, is the intent of the Israeli government to cancel the Palestinian partner and to eliminate the presence of the Palestinian Authority.”
Israel blames Arafat for the collapse of peace efforts, assigning him at least indirect responsibility for the relentless terror attacks against Israelis. In the wake of twin suicide bombings that killed 15 this week, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s security Cabinet decided in principle to “remove” him.



The vaguely worded decision seems to leave open the options of exiling, killing or arresting Arafat - or further isolating him in the office where he has been confined for a year-and-a-half by cutting phone lines and barring visitors. It allows Sharon the right to decide without further convening his ministers.

‘DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES’
Thousands of Palestinians have rallied in recent days to support Arafat, and Palestinian officials have warned that a move against the veteran Palestinian leader - still a national symbol to many, if not most, Palestinians - would carry disastrous consequences.
In a speech before about a dozen diplomats from European, Asian and Arab countries, Arafat urged pressure on Israel to end its killings of militant leaders and stop settlement-building in the West Bank and Gaza.




“The duty of all of us is ... to reach a peace that is just, that is permanent and that is comprehensive for the whole area, for the sake of our children,” Arafat said. Addressing Israel, he said: “Come to peace, come to make peace together.”
The Oslo Accords are named after the Norwegian capital that hosted months of secret talks preceding the festive signing in President Clinton’s presence on the White House lawn. The deal included mutual recognition between Israel and Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization and allowed for the creation of a Palestinian autonomy government in the West Bank and Gaza. Tough issues - the fate of Jerusalem, Jewish settlements, Palestinian refugees - were left for “final status” talks.
In 1994, Arafat returned from a quarter-century’s exile. He was elected in 1996 to lead a Palestinian Authority that ultimately ruled two-thirds of Gaza and almost half the West Bank - in disconnected islands of territory that included the vast majority of the Palestinian population.
But the final status talks fell apart about three years ago. Arafat did not accept then-premier Ehud Barak’s offers of a Palestinian state in Gaza and most of the West Bank, with a foothold in Jerusalem - and Israel rejected the demand for a “right of return” for refugees and descendants to Israel.

Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz, right, shakes hands with the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Dan Kurtzer, during a meeting Friday in Tel Aviv.

More than 800 Israelis and almost 2,500 Palestinians have since been killed in violence.
Israeli newspapers ran weekend retrospectives on the Oslo Accords, with most commentators blaming the Palestinians for rejecting a reasonable offer and turning to terrorism. But some noted Israel’s role in the failure to build trust - the Jewish settler population doubled in the past decade - and some pointed to the 1995 assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin by a Jewish ultranationalist opposed to the peacemaking as the turning point.
In a poll in the Maariv daily, only 31 percent said the Oslo Accords should have been signed, and 54 percent said it was a mistake. The poll of 597 Israelis had a 4 percent margin of error.
But in a rueful article entitled “Where we might have been,” the mass-circulation Yediot Ahronot daily compared the three years of prosperity that followed Oslo - Israel’s economy grew more than 25 percent - with the malaise, savage bloodletting and economic collapse of today.

“There was hope. There was a euphoric feeling,” wrote Sima Kadmon. “We sat in cafes. We didn’t call our kids every five minutes ... We started to believe we’ll be a normal country one day.”
Over the past three years, Israeli salaries have dropped by more than 10 percent. Tourism has collapsed and hundreds of thousands are jobless. On the Palestinian side, about half the workforce is unemployed and Israeli travel restrictions - even between West Bank towns - make life a misery for millions.
Despite the despair of the situation, Palestinians continued rallying for Arafat on Saturday. Thousands turned out in the West Bank city of Hebron. An evening march was planned in Gaza.
One of the noisiest outpourings was right outside his sandbagged office, where thousands of children rallied in a courtyard, surging toward Arafat when he waved and blew kisses from a window.
“With our souls and our blood we defend Abu Ammar,” they said, using Arafat’s nom de guerre.
A spirited Arafat briefly came to the front steps to correct them: “With our souls and our blood we defend Palestine, Palestine, Palestine.”
Beaming, he saluted and went back inside. He later leaned from a window, blew kisses and flashed “V” victory signs at the crowd.
“I’m very happy because this is the first time I’ve seen President Arafat,” said Abdel Zakaria, 13.
The Israelis, he said, “know that he is strong and can push them out of Palestine, so they want to expel him.”
Earlier, in the West Bank city of Nablus, an 80-year-old man died from bullet wounds, said doctors at Rafidya Hospital. The man, Fathi Bolbol, apparently went to the window when he heard a gun battle between Israeli troops and Palestinian gunmen, and was shot, his son said.

ArmoredDov_D9
09-14-2003, 08:57 AM
Let the Palestinians and the world get into pressure. Let them be scared.
Israel will not kill Arafat, at least not soon.

I prefer to let the Grim Reaper do the job of terminating Arafat.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_155545-69_pro-israel01.gif

ShotOver
09-14-2003, 09:13 AM
Yay! Let's get a Middle East leader killed by a country the rest of the middle east hate, and see how much fun it will cause!

Fargin
09-14-2003, 09:14 AM
What kind of consequences would that have to Israely buses and cafés?

ShotOver
09-14-2003, 09:16 AM
Well, we would start calling isreal "The former Country of Isreal" Since every hamas militant and Suicide bomber will come down on it.

ArmoredDov_D9
09-14-2003, 09:29 AM
Come on, guys. If Israel would face as huge wave of suicide bombings following the death Arafat it can easly supressed it as it did in Operation Defensive Shield.

ShotOver
09-14-2003, 09:31 AM
No offence intended, but you guys didnt do a good job of stopping the last 50 suicide bombers :|

citizen-k
09-14-2003, 09:35 AM
Well, we would start calling isreal "The former Country of Isreal" Since every hamas militant and Suicide bomber will come down on it.

LOL

And what are they doing now?

worst case, we'll just wipe'm all out...

Bare in that little mind of yours that Israel is trying to leave SOME

Palestinians alive to have peace with.

As for (your?) question about caffe/buses - what is happening to them

while he is alive? blowing up because of him!

I heared on the radio one of the Palestinian leaders say that killing Arafet

will lead to chaos - armed militia groups will commint attacks on Israeli

cities etc... COME ON! what the hell is going on now?

They have a president, a Prime minister soon they will have a

King&Queen and still have chaos all over. (created by Arafat)

ShotOver
09-14-2003, 09:37 AM
Oh well, i'm glad i live in Australia.

You got a bomb shelter by any chance...mate? ;)

ogukuo72
09-14-2003, 09:47 AM
I don't think it'll work. The situation could very get worse in the short term, with the wave of bombing in 2002 being repeated. In the long term, it'll further poison the well, making it even harder to reach any kind of peace.

seventy6er
09-14-2003, 10:00 AM
Well, we would start calling isreal "The former Country of Isreal"

Perhaps not that. But Israel would isolate itself even more than it is today. There'll be the time, when even the USA can't no longer stick with them.

If Israel will continue with action like that, it turns itself into a rogue state (well, some people would argue that Israel is a rogue state already).

ArmoredDov_D9
09-14-2003, 10:27 AM
In the long term, Europe got closer to Israel. Israel signed new trade-agreements with the EU, uncoditioned in the situation with Pals. Moreover, Israeli pressure made it and now the entier Hamas is included in the terror-organizations list of the EU.

And PT, on every suicide bombing that succeeds, Israel thwarts about 19 terrorist attacks. Only yesterday, Israeli Border Police (MAGAV) have captured 3 explosive-belts intended for suicide bombers.

budanski
09-14-2003, 10:55 AM
http://www.pipebombnews.com/readerimages/arafat.gif

citizen-k
09-14-2003, 11:27 AM
Oh well, i'm glad i live in Australia.

You got a bomb shelter by any chance...mate? ;)

Actually I do, that is because Arafat was shelling my city 25 years ago.

BUT, accept for a shelter I also have the strongest army in the area - so in case things will get out of hand...well, you should refer your bomb shelter question to someone from Lebanon/Gaza....

hendrix33
09-14-2003, 11:33 AM
worst case, we'll just wipe'm all out...

Bare in that little mind of yours that Israel is trying to leave SOME

Palestinians alive to have peace with.


All I have to say is THIS does NOT represent the majority opinion in Israel.

citizen-k
09-14-2003, 11:34 AM
Well, we would start calling isreal "The former Country of Isreal"

Perhaps not that. But Israel would isolate itself even more than it is today. There'll be the time, when even the USA can't no longer stick with them.

If Israel will continue with action like that, it turns itself into a rogue state (well, some people would argue that Israel is a rogue state already).

Rogue because?

A state which defends its citizens from terror is not a rogue state...

A state which helps countries like Iran/Iraq/Lybia/Syria is the

real rogue.

citizen-k
09-14-2003, 11:37 AM
worst case, we'll just wipe'm all out...

Bare in that little mind of yours that Israel is trying to leave SOME

Palestinians alive to have peace with.


All I have to say is THIS does NOT represent the majority opinion in Israel.

Most people in Israel want to have peace with the Palestinians - BUT in

case of a huge attack on Israel, people might change their mind.

What I wanted to say was that Israel should be afraid of a "huge attack"

since we have the power to stop it in case it will happen.

Will it happen? thats up to the Palestinians.

hendrix33
09-14-2003, 11:42 AM
Well mate, you most often express the views of the most extrimist right-wing fractions, and I'm concerned folks here might mistake that for being the general concensus in Israel.
Therefore I took the liberaty of clearing out the fact that it's not. I respect your opinion just as any other opinion, and I respect your right to express it, too. But you may want to consider that people in here might mistake that for the general opinion in Israel, and that may sometimes escalate people's view on the conflict and on the country.

citizen-k
09-14-2003, 12:07 PM
Well mate, you most often express the views of the most extrimist right-wing fractions, and I'm concerned folks here might mistake that for being the general concensus in Israel.
Therefore I took the liberaty of clearing out the fact that it's not. I respect your opinion just as any other opinion, and I respect your right to express it, too. But you may want to consider that people in here might mistake that for the general opinion in Israel, and that may sometimes escalate people's view on the conflict and on the country.

I am far from been a part of the right-wing fraction...

I want Palestinians to have their own state.

BUT I won't agree to have another Iran next door! knowing Arafats

history and background I have no doubt that he will die while this war is

going on. (i.e. we will not have peace while he is alive)

People here should hear the truth, even if it's shocking! So yes, Arafat is

nothing but a pedophile serial killer!!! (if you have friends who had green

berets while they were in Beirut you can ask them about his sexsual

preferences)

He is leading his poeple into chaos, getting many of them killed for what?

For his sick Jihad dreams!

The WORLD who decided Sharon is a killer because the christians

slaughtered the Muslims and the Jew didn't stop them - should wake up

and start realize what kind of a leader they are supporting.


I have no intention of telling people here what they already know and

expect to hear. (So they will love me)

I'm way over the attempts of making them love me so they will spare

me... 55 years over.

Golani68
09-14-2003, 12:48 PM
Why its seem to the world its ok for the US to kill who they want
go to anyones land in the name of world piece

If the same was happening in the U.S Palestinian
bombers in bars and cafe I am sure the west bank would be on fire right now

Let Israel defend it self


Long live Israel

Golani68
09-14-2003, 12:50 PM
Why its seem to the world its ok for the US to kill who they want
go to anyones land in the name of world piece

If the same was happening in the U.S Palestinian
bombers in bars and cafe I am sure the west bank would be on fire right now

Let Israel defend it self


Long live Israel

ArmoredDov_D9
09-14-2003, 12:59 PM
Hypocracy, man. Hypocracy.

There are a lot worse conflicts in the world and nobody, including hardcore "peaceniks", gives a damn.

Take for exaple - Ruwanda. Millions have been slaughtered there, with the great help of Cofi Annan who withdraw the troops and let the massacre rage. Annna is a Nobel Peace Prize winner and the General Secrtary of the United Nation.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_195851-542_untishemim03.jpg

Oh, and did I mention the Lybia is the head of Human Rights commission in the UN?

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_195651-533_saddam-amnesty01.gif

citizen-k
09-14-2003, 01:06 PM
Hypocracy, man. Hypocracy.
Oh, and did I mention the Lybia is the head of Human Rights commission in the UN?


Do you know who is running the security council now days?

(Same country which provides shelter to some of the most wanted world terrorists)

Golani68
09-14-2003, 01:22 PM
Just trying to say to much anti-Israeli posts
on this site


Not many people out side Israel know Arafat
He does not want piece he likes it as it is this very rich man who does not care about he people
People learn about Israeli and the IDF from CNN and BBC news
were we kill poor palestinian for no reason at all

I see some people on this site showing the truth about palestinian
that the world does not see

and on the palestinian kids with gun pictures
what are they learning to grow up loving jewish people I think not

Any one outside Israel heard about the summer camps for school kids
in Gaza where they learn to shoot AKs

He219
09-14-2003, 02:49 PM
http://www.pipebombnews.com/readerimages/arafat.gif

rofl

Haiw
09-14-2003, 03:43 PM
hasn't killing arafat been tried before a few times?

Sundowner
09-14-2003, 04:04 PM
hasn't killing arafat been tried before a few times?
yup... just like CIA, was trying to "eliminate" Castro - both were failure :)

StarvingStudent47
09-14-2003, 05:43 PM
Hypocracy, man. Hypocracy.

There are a lot worse conflicts in the world and nobody, including hardcore "peaceniks", gives a damn.

Take for exaple - Ruwanda. Millions have been slaughtered there, with the great help of Cofi Annan who withdraw the troops and let the massacre rage. Annna is a Nobel Peace Prize winner and the General Secrtary of the United Nation.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_195851-542_untishemim03.jpg

Oh, and did I mention the Lybia is the head of Human Rights commission in the UN?

Very accurate. People forget that the General Secretary of the United Nations who presided over the "Zionism is Racism" declaration was an officer in Hitler's Wehrmacht in WWII. He killed in the name of the Fuhrer. So when Kurt Waldheim says "Zionism is racism," I roll my eyes. People who continue to quote that declaration also forget that the United Nations has since repealed it.

Christkiller
09-14-2003, 06:14 PM
And put his head on a stick and parade it through the streets of Palestine. Then, next we should kill all the Arabs. We can set up "camps" in Jordan, and load them all on trains, and dump them off there. I'm tired of these suicide bombers. We need to kill all the Palestinians so they won't attack us anymore! I remember this country in the 1930s had a problem with their minority groups, and they killed them all, we should do it too!!!

citizen-k
09-15-2003, 12:12 AM
hasn't killing arafat been tried before a few times?

During the siege on Beirut the IDF had a sniper aiming at him, but Sharon didn't order to shoot... (I guess it's one of the things he is sorry for today)

Maciek
09-15-2003, 04:30 AM
I think Arafat is doing it to become martyr. He will die in few years. I think to be killed by Israelis will be a great end to his fight in eyes of other arabs.