Children in the line of fire

[hendrix33]

I've heard numerous accusations that Israel is just as bad as Hammas, mostly because children die in both sides.

These DO NOT come to contradict the fact the innocent casualties DO happen in the palestinian side as a result of Israeli targeted hittings against terror leaders and against persons defined as 'time-bombs' (people on their way to commit terrorist acts).

There ARE innocent palestinian casualties, HOWEVER, you will not see THIS kind of pictures with Israeli kids.

The kids you see on the photos, and most other kids in their age, go to special 'summer camps', where Hammas and Islamic Jihad Tutors instruct them on firing a gun, crawling, running, hand-to-hand combat and more. This is the age where the extremist-religeous posion is being dripped very intensely, as a preparation of becomming Shahid's (martyr), to perform the act of Shuhada - suicide in the name of Islam, as part of a Jihad, a war against infidels.

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2003-09-13T183517Z_01_GAZ05D_RTRIDSP_2_MIDEAST.jpg


A young Palestinian holds a gun in the streets of Gaza city during a rally supporting President Yasser Arafat in the Gaza Strip September 13, 2003. Thousands of people attended the demonstration after an Israeli Security Cabinet meeting decided 'in principle' to deport the Palestinian leader. *******/Eric Gaillard


http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2003-09-13T174816Z_01_BAG107D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ.jpg


A masked man holds a Kalashnikov rifle during a funeral held for eight of the ten policemen killed the previous night by U.S. forces in the restive Iraqi town of Falluja, September 13, 2003. Hundreds of Iraqis shooting in the air and chanting "America is the enemy of God" began burying on Saturday the ten, killed by U.S. troops who mistook them for anti-American rebels. *******/Akram Saleh

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2003-09-13T124257Z_01_GOT08D_RTRIDSP_2_MIDEAST.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030913/capt.1063487725.mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf101.jpg
(AP)


Source: *******
http://www.*******.com

[seventy6er]

I've heard numerous accusation that Israel is just as bad as Hammas, mostly because children die in both sides.


Does this site slowly turn into some Israeli-propaganda-site?? :roll:

No offense, and NOOO - I'm not anti-Israeli - but this is annoying.

[Herrmannek]

I've heard numerous accusation that Israel is just as bad as Hammas, mostly because children die in both sides.


Does this site slowly turn into some Israeli-propaganda-site?? :roll:

No offense, and NOOO - I'm not anti-Israeli - but this is annoying.

:::::yes indeed:::::

[hendrix33]

I've heard numerous accusation that Israel is just as bad as Hammas, mostly because children die in both sides.


Does this site slowly turn into some Israeli-propaganda-site?? :roll:

No offense, and NOOO - I'm not anti-Israeli - but this is annoying.

First of all, let me appologize, because I guess you have a point.

However, I need to emphasize I came across alot of these accussations recently over the forum, so when I came across these photos I thought this might be a good example to contradict some of the errorneous and untruthfull claims against IDF.

But again, I'll take what you said in mind, and will try to aviod this in the future.

[Saranof]

What would you do, if you had grown up in a prison camp, in a state with a worse aparteid system than south africa had?

[hendrix33]

Go and kill little children in busses by blasting nails and bolts through their internal organs, also inflicting them burn injuries and blast-related internal injuries. NOT.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

We seek only to stop the terrorists. It is not easy when they hide among civilian population and use them as "human-shield".

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030913_005805-2004_human-shield06.jpg
Notice the little child with the pistol. Palestinian terrorist hang around with children near them in order to prevent IDF to shoot on them.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030913_005948-2008_human-shield01.jpg
A rare picture documenting how Palestinian children are sent to the firelines for propoganda purposes. Notice the two children in front of the Palestinian gunmen, and not behind, as every normal child would be.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_190845-351_lynch-girl01.jpg
The infamous "lynch girl" who immitates and glorifies the manslaughter Palestinian mob and policmen commited at two Israeli reservist who accidently entered Rammalla.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_191331-371_suicide-bomber-baby01.jpg
The infamous "suicide bomber baby" picture found at an family album of Hamas terrorist.

[Fargin]

It takes two parts to stop the violence and it takes two parts to continue the cycle.

It's much easier to continue with the killing, apparently neither side is ready to lay down their arms. Eye for an eye, child for a child. Ofcause it's uneven, but palestinians try to keep up with their Israeli brothers. So be it, let them pound eachother some more. People learn to live with risks such as Trafic, cigaretts, stress and explosives every day.

At some point they'll negociate an agreeable peace, or they'll continue to accept death as a part of live, as we do.

[hendrix33]

child of a child.

That's why I posted the photos, Because of people who accusse Israel in targeting children.

[Saranof]

Go and kill little children in busses by blasting nails and bolts through their internal organs, also inflicting them burn injuries and blast-related internal injuries. NOT.

:roll:
You obviously don't get my point. Terrorism has a cause. What drives someone to do something like tat?
Well, if you have been a prisoner in your own land all your life, have had your house torn down by bulldozers, seen a good friend be shot by soldiers, then you do develope a slight hatred against the other side...

[Ichhabe]

Seems like both Israeli and Palestinians are prisoners in their own country!?!

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Go and kill little children in busses by blasting nails and bolts through their internal organs, also inflicting them burn injuries and blast-related internal injuries. NOT.

:roll:
You obviously don't get my point. Terrorism has a cause. What drives someone to do something like tat?
Well, if you have been a prisoner in your own land all your life, have had your house torn down by bulldozers, seen a good friend be shot by soldiers, then you do develope a slight hatred against the other side...

Yeah. Even Bin-laden had a cause. Now go justifies him and his terror attacks.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Children Right Abused by Palestinian terrorists:
children and infants are pushed into terror

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_201141-591_suicide-bomber-child13.jpg
No doubt that child grows in a good company...

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_191534-377_suicide-bomber-child09.jpg
What a caring mother...

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_201358-604_terrorist-mob13.jpg
Kids train with Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_201659-615_suicide-bomber-child14.jpg
Armed children among Palestinian gunmen who terrorizes the streets.

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_201926-627_september11celebrations02.jpg
Palestinian keed shooting an AK47 to celebrate the terror attacks on the WTC in New York on 9-11.

[Golani68]

Thank you

Hendrix33 and ArmoredDov_d9

for show the world the truth
how sad it may be

[Christkiller]

Thank you my fellow Hebrews! We killed Jesus the Son of God, next we will kill Mohammed, and conquer the middle East. We must create Greater Israel. Even though we all look like the Arabs we slaughter every day, since we are both interrelated, we must murder them all, and show that we are God's chosen people. It is written in the Kabbalah, thus it is so. Trust not the heathen gentile! Circumcision for EVERYONE.

[Herrmannek]

Thank you my fellow Hebrews! We killed Jesus the Son of God, next we will kill Mohammed, and conquer the middle East. We must create Greater Israel. Even though we all look like the Arabs we slaughter every day, since we are both interrelated, we must murder them all, and show that we are God's chosen people. It is written in the Kabbalah, thus it is so. Trust not the heathen gentile! Circumcision for EVERYONE.

Don't see smile :) anywhere, if he is not joking, we have first hebrew siucide bomber :)

[Golani68]

Ok cool down

[UoUo]

He is a stupaid facker

[Herrmannek]

Me ?

[UoUo]

Christkiller

[Haiw]

now how many of those kids are airsofters? ;)

christkiller; how bout u go make ur bigger israël by commiting suicide somewhere far away so israël will be expanded with the ground the size of a grave?

[Christkiller]

And you call yourself a Jew! I wear my sideburns super long, and live in the farthest East settlement. where do you live? I bet it's either in New York, Beverly Hills, or MAYBE Tel Aviv. I'm fighting the good fight. Go Israel! If these Arabs didn't have kinky hair, and big noses like us, they'd be so easy to kill!!! I hate the fact that most suicide bombers are able to disguise themselves as Jews and are able to detonate their bombs this way. I think we should kill them all with nukes!!!

[hendrix33]

And you call yourself a Jew! I wear my sideburns super long, and live in the farthest East settlement. where do you live? I bet it's either in New York, Beverly Hills, or MAYBE Tel Aviv. I'm fighting the good fight. Go Israel! If these Arabs didn't have kinky hair, and big noses like us, they'd be so easy to kill!!! I hate the fact that most suicide bombers are able to disguise themselves as Jews and are able to detonate their bombs this way. I think we should kill them all with nukes!!!

This is someone pretending to be an Israeli in order to flame things up.
Do not pay any attention.

[Herrmannek]

Hood can check from what part of world cristkiller's IP is from.

[Haiw]

This is someone pretending to be an Israeli in order to flame things up.
Do not pay any attention.

don't worry lol, even if he IS an israeli we understand he must be the local loonatic :lol:

[Haiw]

And you call yourself a Jew! I wear my sideburns super long, and live in the farthest East settlement.
long sideburns are so incredibly 1999 :roll:

[UoUo]

And you call yourself a Jew! I wear my sideburns super long, and live in the farthest East settlement. where do you live? I bet it's either in New York, Beverly Hills, or MAYBE Tel Aviv. I'm fighting the good fight. Go Israel! If these Arabs didn't have kinky hair, and big noses like us, they'd be so easy to kill!!! I hate the fact that most suicide bombers are able to disguise themselves as Jews and are able to detonate their bombs this way. I think we should kill them all with nukes!!!

where are you come from ? what your name ? sprak some word's in hebrew please....

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Titalmu Mimenu
U stam ba le-sakhsekh velaasot meumot...

[Christkiller]

I'm not sure who is an arab and who isn't on this board. I am convinced that some on this board are actually Arabs disguised as Christians and Jews. For us to speak in Hebrew is to help teach them our language, and will allow them to pretend to be Jews, since they look like us racially, and sneak on buses and blow themselves up. We do not want this. Go Israel, death to all Arabs. Let's put the Arabs in death camps before it's too late!!

[Ratamacue]

Troll.

[Vance]

Jackass....

[Christkiller]

Why am I a jackass and a troll? Many on this board, want Arafat "removed". How else are we to do that? Invite him to leave? he has bodyguards. We must shoot him to pieces.

Many on this board say Palestinians need a new leader, even though they democratically elected Arafat, and they are a different country. So the Palestinians will still bomb with or without a leader. Before Arafat, they attacked, and with Arafat they attack. The only solution is to remove the Palestinians, logically, like many Israelis on this board dictate. I'm trying to show that by saying things like "kill all arabs" I'm merely taking their opinions to the logical conclusion. If you talk like Germans talked about Jews, then I will talk as I have been talking. Arabs to death camps!

[Tom.G]

Why am I a jackass and a troll? Many on this board, want Arafat "removed". How else are we to do that? Invite him to leave? he has bodyguards. We must shoot him to pieces.

Many on this board say Palestinians need a new leader, even though they democratically elected Arafat, and they are a different country. So the Palestinians will still bomb with or without a leader. Before Arafat, they attacked, and with Arafat they attack. The only solution is to remove the Palestinians, logically, like many Israelis on this board dictate. I'm trying to show that by saying things like "kill all arabs" I'm merely taking their opinions to the logical conclusion. If you talk like Germans talked about Jews, then I will talk as I have been talking. Arabs to death camps!

I might have said some thigns that weren't apropriate om the other forum (my appolagies to Hendrix33), but this guy christkiller is really ****ing stupid!

[Andyman]

I read in the book "Shooting Under Fire" that since every Israeli male has to do a certain term of military service they usually have a lot of rookies on the scene when **** starts to get heavy. This cameraman who was in tight with the IDF said that the IDF are very professional and they have modern weapons with sights, so when they are ordered to kill they kill and when ordered to aim for a leg they generally hit a leg. Anyways he stated that since there are many of these "rookies" around in the IDF when the Palestinians start throwing rocks and what not these "rookies" who are thinking about their girlfriends or how they dont want to die get scared and just open fire when not ordered to do so. Therefore whenever the IDF kills some terrorists they always mention some unneccessary civilian casualties also. Just for reference I forgot the name of the Cameraman but this account is true and is in the book if anyone wants to discredit my story. Read the book yourself I highly recommend it.

[Andyman]

Christkiller is a bastard. The Jews did kill jesus because they did not want to hear the truth yet they claim he was a rebel and a conspiritor look a jewish history man I cant believe how similar they are now to how they were then and it still aint working out for them. Like when Jesus returned to Nazareth and all the townspeople were so happy to see him and were so happy that a local boy had become so well known but when jesus started telling them about how they were doing things that were wrong they get all pissed off and try to kill him. Like what the hell I mean first they're heppen cause he's famous (WELL HE'S FAMOUS CAUSE OF TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT GOD AND HOW TO PROPERLY WORSHIP HIM) but as soon as he does this to them they try to kill him WTF. Its too damn repetitive

[Seiyuuki]

I believe Hood have disable Christkiller's account.

[UoUo]

FFs is not a jew !!!!

[Argyll]

listen up guys,the PIRA and INLA have been killing women and children for decades too,even the US guy Timothy Mac Vey blew up women and children,name one terror orginisation that has not killed women and children,they are all scumbags,and some will support their causes and others do not.
GWB went on television last week and said they were winning the war against terrorism.....................where would that be exactly?
No country in the world has the resources to completey erradicate terrorism.
Have the Spanish ETA been eliminated
Has AOKA been eliminated
has the Hamas been eradicated
Has Hezbollah been eliminated
Has the IRA been eliminated
Has the UDA been eliminated
Has Al Qieda been eliminated
the war on terror is nowhere near been won,just another load of cobblers from a government reknown for talking Bull!!
There have been more terror attacks in Afghanistan in the last 6 weeks,than there have been in the last 4 months,some US terror expert criticised the Bush administration for making such claims,and counter claimed it by saying the war against terror will never be won,in 2000 years of civilaisation it has not been won,bit good old Dubya has it licked in less than 2 years.............yeah right!!

[hendrix33]

GWB went on television last week and said they were winning the war against terrorism.....................where would that be exactly?

Well, it's not a matter of victory as it is a matter of INITIATIVE.
That was perhaps the most valuable outcome of operation defensive shield. Let me elaborate:

When a terrorist has to worry about his survival, he has less time and resources to commit/organize acts of terror. Increase this pressure and all this dude will have to worry about is getting out of harm's way.

That's one of the basic features of anti-terror doctrine. Initiative.

No. This will not stop terror. But it will somehow degrade it's operational capabilities, and make it more difficult to execute plans.

From what you've said one might get the impression you think we shouldn't do anything about terror?
Do you have a better solution than what going on right now?
Criticism without proposing a better options is vauge and empty of content. Anyone can shout on anything.

[hood]

First off, Christkiller's IP was coming from what appeared to be southern California, so as I mentioned before, just disregard.. account's been disabled.

Concerning children terrorists, even if you take a positive view of it, that they're freedom fighters, being trained from an early age to fight for their cause, they're going to have a lot of problems when they're done. This is exactly what happened with Al Qaeda. They got together all these fanatics from lots of countries to fight the Soviets. Yay, down with communism. The problem is shutting it off when the immediate problem has been taken care of. So what happens when the Israeli/Palestinian problem is finished? Where will all these children who've been taught from birth to kill kill kill, go? What will they do? They have no schooling other than shooting and blowing up people.

[hendrix33]

Well Hood, I have one objection to your scenario, because past taught us that islamic terrorism cannot put down it's weapons and make peace, like was done with IRA for example. So there cannot be a time when Hammas ceases to fight, because it's goal is not a palestinian state - but the destruction of the state of Israel. Hammas can only be treated with a barrel, since it's ideology is destruction of a state by means of violence.

Let's view the Hezbollah case: Israel withdrew from southern Lebannon, in full accordance with the UN resolution, and in compliance to the demands of the hezbollah.

What happened next? Did they set their arms aside? Hell no.
What they did was a massive trainning and aquiring means of Surface-to-Surface rockets ('katyousha') that cover all of the North of Israel including Haifa. Money, weapons, trainning and rockets come from Iran, by the way.

What hezbollah did next was declaring a little piece of land on the border (Shabaa farms) was theirs as well and that IDF should've withdrew from there as well, hence the struggle should continue.

To conclude: islamic terror does not recognize a cease fire or peace, so there could not be a time when 'older terrorists lay their weapons down and the young continue'. Terror must be cut from it's root with swift and decisive moves.

[Mortimer]

The Israelis and Palestinians are as bad as each other. Tell you what, instead of building a wall around palestine build one around the whole of Israel and palestine cut them off from the rest of the world...so we never have to hear about this stupid crap ever again.

stupid idiots will never learn

http://www.palestinercs.org/images/story.boy.father.jpg
http://aaiil.org/text/poem/others/photos/palestineboy4.jpg
http://www.palestinercs.org/images/conflict%20scenes/Israelisoldiershot051002WBRR2.jpg
http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/images/busbomb.jpg

[ArmoredDov_D9]

http://www.palestinercs.org/images/story.boy.father.jpg

This is Mohammed Al-Dura, caught in a gunfight in Netzraim junction and killed by Palestinian fire.

That's are the sad results of sending children to the line of fire.
That's why this dreadful Palestinian practice should be stopped and condemned by the civilizied world.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/340581.html


Palestinian youth arrested trying to break into settlement

By Haaretz Staff

A 16-year-old Palestinian detained by police
earlier this week after he tried to enter the
settlement of Shani south of Hebron, said during
his interrogation he intended to kill Shani's
security officer, steal his car and set it on fire.

The army is investigating the fatal shooting of a Palestinian
child on Sunday evening near the Atarot airport north of
Jerusalem. Dozens of Palestinians infiltrated the airport area after cutting a security fence. Soldiers attempting to disperse the
demonstrators opened fire at the legs of one of them, and Ahmed Abu Latifa, aged 10 [14 according to *******] , was killed by the gunfire. The army expressed regret over his death.

In the Shani incident,the detained youth from Kafr Samoa said he was recruited to kill the security officer with a blunt instrument by two
brothers from Kafr Yata. Shani's security officer caught him trying to cut through the settlement's fence.

In another incident, the residents of the West Bank village of Kablan near Nablus, shot at and wounded a Palestinian when the found out he was entertaining an Israeli girlfriend.

Police arrested the Palestinan police doctor in the West Bank city of Tul Karm after he was caught driving a stolen car. The doctor, an
officer with the rank of colonel, was driving a Mazda Lantis stolen in Israel two and a half years ago. He said that during one of the bombings of the government compound in Tul Karm, he found the car abandoned and fixed it up.

(I bold some parts of the text, itaic is a coment I added)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030915/capt.sge.fdh45.150903094940.photo00.default-384x272.jpg


Israeli soldiers on patrol near the Kissufim crossing between Gaza and Israel. Two Palestinian children were arrested by the Israeli army after being used as guinea pigs to break through a security fence bordering the Gaza Strip (news - web sites).(AFP/File/Mohammed Saber)


So what do we have here? Palestinian sends children to the front lines - they risk their lives by sending them to break security fences, they send them as "human shield" to protect violent protestors and terrorists, they lynch every Iaraeli they see. Palestinian and his Israeli girlfriend entered a Palestinian village and almost got killed.

[Argyll]

Hendrix,
I spent 8 years in the British Army dealing with terrorism day in day out,having done several Op tours in NI ,so don't think I'm not familiar with the resulst and effects,what compounded our efforts in NI was the Law,and our ROE's,we had to operate with tied hands my friend,unlike current ops ongoing!.
All I said was and pointed out that there are literally 100's of terror groups worldwide who still have the finances anf the tools foe doing the job,you do not need **** loads of money to make culvert bombs,all you need is one clever bas*ard who knows how to make it,you kill one terrost out of that grow ten more..........you do the maths!
Want it sorted..............take out Arafat,along with all the other Middle East leaders who sponsor terrorism...................ooops you can t do that...because they all think the same way,cut off the snakes head and the bodys useless,look at Gerry adams and Martin MacGuiness,terrorists turned Poiticians,and nothing can be done about it!!

[Haiw]

http://www.palestinercs.org/images/story.boy.father.jpg

This is Mohammed Al-Dura, caught in a gunfight in Netzraim junction and killed by Palestinian fire.

That's are the sad results of sending children to the line of fire.
That's why this dreadful Palestinian practice should be stopped and condemned by the civilizied world.

huh? i know that picture and it's been all over the world (and even admitted by the israelis) that he was killed by israeli fire...

and besides, they don't looked like theyve been sent in the line of fire, they look more like they were just in the wrong place in the wrong time

[Tom.G]

The Israelis and Palestinians are as bad as each other. Tell you what, instead of building a wall around palestine build one around the whole of Israel and palestine cut them off from the rest of the world...so we never have to hear about this stupid crap ever again.

stupid idiots will never learn

http://www.palestinercs.org/images/story.boy.father.jpg
http://aaiil.org/text/poem/others/photos/palestineboy4.jpg
http://www.palestinercs.org/images/conflict%20scenes/Israelisoldiershot051002WBRR2.jpg
http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/images/busbomb.jpg

I`m with you!

[ArmoredDov_D9]

http://www.palestinercs.org/images/story.boy.father.jpg

This is Mohammed Al-Dura, caught in a gunfight in Netzraim junction and killed by Palestinian fire.

That's are the sad results of sending children to the line of fire.
That's why this dreadful Palestinian practice should be stopped and condemned by the civilizied world.

huh? i know that picture and it's been all over the world (and even admitted by the israelis) that he was killed by israeli fire...

and besides, they don't looked like theyve been sent in the line of fire, they look more like they were just in the wrong place in the wrong time

After reseaching the incident it was determined that from the angle between were the soldiers were and Al-Dura was : they could not have shot him. When anayzing the bullets' holes on the wall, it is clearly seen they they came DIRECTLY into him and not diagnoaly from the IDF outpost.

Here is a link to the IDF investigaation:
http://www.idf.il/english/announcements/2000/november/english_investigation.files/frame.htm

Another independent investigation reached the same conclusions.

[Rantanplan]

:roll:

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Rantanplan, answer me this: are these child sent to the line of fire (before they reached adulthood)?

And here is one cartoon - if it wasn't sad & true it was funny...

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030916_195619-135_terror05.gif

[Seiyuuki]

I would hardly consider West Point graduates and students as "kids."

[hendrix33]

Hendrix,
I spent 8 years in the British Army dealing with terrorism day in day out,having done several Op tours in NI ,so don't think I'm not familiar with the resulst and effects,what compounded our efforts in NI was the Law,and our ROE's,we had to operate with tied hands my friend,unlike current ops ongoing!.
All I said was and pointed out that there are literally 100's of terror groups worldwide who still have the finances anf the tools foe doing the job,you do not need **** loads of money to make culvert bombs,all you need is one clever bas*ard who knows how to make it,you kill one terrost out of that grow ten more..........you do the maths!
Want it sorted..............take out Arafat,along with all the other Middle East leaders who sponsor terrorism...................ooops you can t do that...because they all think the same way,cut off the snakes head and the bodys useless,look at Gerry adams and Martin MacGuiness,terrorists turned Poiticians,and nothing can be done about it!!

Well my friend, you've said alot, but actually you didn't say much. What do you propose?

[He219]

Big differences regarding military discipline, education, appearances and encouraging child combat.



http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030823/capt.sge.syd10.230803224254.photo01.default-389x269.jpg
Child Soldier (Pawn and Victim used to do somebody's dirty work)

A child soldier wearing a teddy bear backpack points his gun at a photographer in a street of Monrovia.(AFP/File/Georges Gobet)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030913/capt.1063471036.iraq_bag111.jpg
Child used for Propoganda (Pawn and Victim of a culture of revenge)

Mourners lift a child holding a knife into the air during funerals in Fallujah Saturday Sept. 13, 2003 for some of the eight police officers killed Friday in a friendly fire incident involving U.S. forces. (AP Photo/Samir Mezban)

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/photos/p44/p3/p44394.gif
Youth used for Propaganda (Pawns used for raising nationalistic self-esteem)

http://dsc.discovery.com/anthology/unsolvedhistory/hitler/photogallery/gallery/bunkergallery1_hzoom.jpg
Youth abused as Child Soldiers (Victims/Pawns as in Liberia)
(Hitler is awarding decorations for combat against Russians outside Berlin)

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/photos/p49/p5/p49512.gif
Japanese children 'dressed-up', promoting militarism (Pawns)


One can not classify school uniforms or a military education as promoting militancy. The Palestinian Children shown are Victims of Occupation, Pawns in a Culture of Violence and Revence and dressed up for Propaganda purposes for promoting continued violence.

;)

[hendrix33]

One can not classify school uniforms or a military education as promoting militancy. The Palestinian Children shown are Victims of Occupation, Pawns of a Culture of Violence and Revence and dressed up for Propaganda purposes for promoting continued violence.

Well, one should first blame the palestinians, then the occupation.

They right to 'fight an occupation' is not a right to put a child in a line of fire. That's a basic.

Yes, even kids out of the line of fire are unfortunatly killed. These uncommon events are regretted by IDF, just as any innocent palestinian death is condemmed by IDF, and investigaed when it's needed.

An armed conflict is not a place for a child to be on the street holding an AK, he should be home under his bed. I believe there's much more blame in the man who put the child where he is and armed, than in the one who caused his death or injury during combat. Don't you agree?

[He219]

An armed conflict is not a place for a child to be on the street holding an AK, he should be home under his bed. I believe there's much more blame in the man who put the child where he is and armed, than in the one who caused his death or injury during combat. Don't you agree?

Certainly, hendrix33.


Well, one should first blame the palestinians, then the occupation.

Hehehe. Did the Chicken come before the Egg?

:P

[hendrix33]

Certainly, hendrix33.


Well, one should first blame the palestinians, then the occupation.

Hehehe. Did the Chicken come before the Egg?


Well, you just agreed that PA is the one to blame with (most of) children casualties. So yeah, the egg ;)

[He219]

Hehe, and you just admitted to being the occupier!

The violence is a result of it. Cause and effect.

:P

[hendrix33]

OF COURSE I am the occupier!

There is no arguement Israel occuppies the territorries. It's even called 'Shtachim' in Hebrew, which means: territorries.

No one wants to occupy the palestinians. It's bad for BOTH sides.

But occupation just can't stop before someone in PA tries to fight terror. Israel have a huge interest in creating a palestinian state, and there's almost a wall-to-wall consensus about that (remarkably enough). We have to have someone fighting terror on their side, so we can give them back the cities, and then take further steps towards creating a palestinian state.

That's the obstacle, as I've repeatedly stated: No one in the PA has the guts to take guns from Hammas and Islamic Jihad. arafat is supported by these groups, who first came to protect him when Israel threatenned him. arafat IS Hammas, and arafat IS Islamic Jihad, and arafat will not stop them, will not take their arms, and will not fight terror in any way except for the cameras. afarat will also let no one take his place in leadership.

Israel wants no violence, and no occupation. We've had enough of that, thanks you very much. Just make them try to fight terror.

[He219]

But occupation just can't stop before someone in PA tries to fight terror.
What you are saying is that you desire a remedy (relief) from the effects of occupation (cause) itself.

Scientifically, one cures an ailment by treating it's cause. Relief from the symptoms of an ailment does not cure the cause and it's duration is momentary. Address the cause for the violence and you will find the cure.

p-)

[hendrix33]

Your comparison is somehow innaccurate, because you fail to realize that terror is a fatal desease, and not a sympthom.

Anyway, I've got a plane to catch to NY in few more hours, So I'll be away for a month or so.

Take care all, and have fun.
Peace, Out.

[He219]

Indeed, terrorism is fatal to those who are the victims and to those who practice it. Safe journeys, henrix33.
Shalom!

p-)

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Your comparison is somehow innaccurate, because you fail to realize that terror is a fatal desease, and not a sympthom.

Anyway, I've got a plane to catch to NY in few more hours, So I'll be away for a month or so.

Take care all, and have fun.
Peace, Out.

Have a nice vacation...

(beware to not be drafted to the local SWAT) ;)

[ISF]

great pics...!!!

[Andyman]

"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

[ArmoredDov_D9]

"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

And one man so-called moto is no more than a pure bull****...

[Tom.G]

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_191331-371_suicide-bomber-baby01.jpg
The infamous "suicide bomber baby" picture found at an family album of Hamas terrorist.

Give me a ****ing break! You don`t actually believe that do you?

[Tom.G]

"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

And one man so-called moto is no more than a pure bull****...

His moto makes sense. ****ing moron. Are all Israelis this single minded.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

http://hydepark.co.il/hydepark/upload01/030914_191331-371_suicide-bomber-baby01.jpg
The infamous "suicide bomber baby" picture found at an family album of Hamas terrorist.

Give me a f*** break! You don`t actually believe that do you?

Well, the family claimed that it was a joke for a custom party. No one think he had real explosives on him, but people here have been shocked from the brainwashing to terror from the cradle.
And as you saw during the whole topic - Palestinian infants dressed as suicide bomber are not a rare vision.


His moto makes sense. f*** moron. Are all Israelis this single minded.
1. There is no place for such expressions.
2. With this kind of moto you can justify every atrocity there is. Hey, Bin-Laden sees himself as a "freedom fighter" - does it mean he has the right to murder 3000 people and knock off two large towers? Hitler saw himself as the leader of the pure superior race - does it means he had the right to slaughter 6 millions Jews?

[Tom.G]

It`s all about perspective. To the Arabs, they are "Freedom Fighters". To you, they are terrorists. Don`t get me rong, I don`t like Bin Laden. But I try to put myself in other peoples shoes.

They don`t blow them selves up for kicks dude.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

But there is right perspective and wrong persspective. The Arab perspective in this case is wrong. I don't see what liberation terror have brought them. Because of their cruel terror the IDF was force to re-capture the entier West Bank and lone time (since April 2002) there were IDF forces in Palestinian cities. The only city without IDF troops in it was Jericho - also the only major city without major terrorist cells inside. Jericho was the most quiet city and therefore IDF forces didn't captured it.

[Tom.G]

Right and rong perspective? What aare you talking about? Perspective is perspective. I admire the Palistinians, at least they have the guts to fight for their freedom. I have a National Geographic at home that has in Article about all the injustice done to them. Tonight i`m, going to host a dicussion about this. But now, I have a Biology test I`ll so talk to you later.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Right and rong perspective? What aare you talking about? Perspective is perspective

And what about the Nazi perspective? Do you siding it and believe the Jews are some kind of bacteria?


I admire the Palistinians, at least they have the guts to fight for their freedom.

Woreship the child killers. Shooting an 8-months old baby right between the eyes... that takes guts, no doubt.
Only the brave can fight against 4-years old unarmed children and their mother in Kibbutz Mezer.

Man, you make me sick...

[citizen-k]

What would you do, if you had grown up in a prison camp, in a state with a worse aparteid system than south africa had?

Having troubles communicating with reality?

99% of Palestinians were under Palestinian-Authority government when the last wat started! GET THAT INTO THAT LITTLE BRAIN OF YOURS!

Black people in Africa were persecuted just for been black (like Jews in Europe been persecuted just for been Jews) Palestininas are been attacked for their terror actions - and no Palestinian civilians are been attacked just for been Palestinians.

[citizen-k]

Go and kill little children in busses by blasting nails and bolts through their internal organs, also inflicting them burn injuries and blast-related internal injuries. NOT.

:roll:
You obviously don't get my point. Terrorism has a cause. What drives someone to do something like tat?
Well, if you have been a prisoner in your own land all your life, have had your house torn down by bulldozers, seen a good friend be shot by soldiers, then you do develope a slight hatred against the other side...

1940's - Did Jews blow up buses in London? NO!

[IDFM203]

To my fellow Israelis.........I think it is pointless arguing with this dumb moose head for as he claims, he knows what’s really going on because he read some national geographic magazine, never mind that you guys live there and you saw and experience the realities of what’s really going. But nooooooooooo, this chuck who is sitting on his fat ass back in Toronto, knows much more because he read this national geographic magazine.what a true POS. rofl rofl

[Bootneck]

Desert Sloth is either a troll or a sad individual who lacks any moral discremination whatsoever.

Kiddo - here's an example of right and wrong. Israel arrests and prosecutes terrorists, even if they're Jewish.

http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ArticlePage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El2788&enZone=Security&enVersion=0&

The PA incites, funds and shelters terrorists.

(I believe they are terrorists but I won't argue that point with such an 'admirer'.)

[perdurabo]

one question why Jews allways dig out Nazi? and Holocaust? it was PAST no one of you were in camps (trips don't count) so please have some respect to the dead ppl not only Jews but Poles Roms and meany others! draging them out is sick! we should reamember them and respect them not using as an argument in some falme wars!!!

[Fargin]

one question why Jews allways dig out Nazi? and Holocaust? it was PAST no one of you were in camps (trips don't count) so please have some respect to the dead ppl not only Jews but Poles Roms and meany others! draging them out is sick! we should reamember them and respect them not using as an argument in some falme wars!!!

Not to worry, it's all natural. Supressed people usually become supressors. Using ones history to legitimice ones curent actions.

[Andyman]

one thing that i think is great is the fact that you'll never hear a jew talk about any of the other people who died in the holocaust. Its always 6 million jews and thats it what about the thousands of other people who died. Poles, Jehovah's Witnesses, Russians, the list continues. Jews are so narrow minded about that whole issue. The nazis in their efforts did not destroy the jewish race, in contrast they were turned into martyrs for the future world. This is a backing that the jews have and will continue to resurface in all arguments. Rather annoying I think.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Jews and Gypsies where the only on the Holocaust to be genocided because of racism and dehumanization. Jews were among the only ethnic group who was conssidered to be sub-human race, "bacteria" and the Jew-hatred took a special place in the Nazi idealogoy.

Poles, Russian and such were slughtered on a war basis, not because of racial reasons (although the Slavs were considered to be the "Servants Race" by the Nazis).

Homo******s and handicapped were persecuted and murdered because they were considered to be a "flaw" in the purity of the Arian race.

In the Vanza protocols, the Nazi explicitly talked about a program to exterminate the entier Jewish people in Europe and they held accounts of Jewish population in different countries.

The Nazis are a symbol of antisemitism and Jew-hatred that turned into senseless motive to a large scale mass murder and genocide. The obsession of the Nazis with Jewish hatred and the unprescedent number of 6 millions Jewish being killed made the Holocaust be indentified with the Jews as its main victims.

A lot of Jews are still fear today that the rising Jew-hatred in Europe and the Arab world will ignite another Holocaust toward the Jews.

[Andyman]

what about jehovah's witnesses, do you know why they were persecuted.

[Andyman]

http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1998/7/8/article_01.htm

http://www.watchtower.org/images/g/1998/7/8/men.jpg

[mocking_loudly]

20 odd million Russians died in ww2, but they arent fashionable and no one gives a ****.

If you learnt history from hollywood movies it would read like this:

ww2 started when the yanks arrived and the German war was just about destroying the jewish race.

My arse.

[Trigger]

Wrong on both counts.

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks10.gif

[Vance]

ww2 started when the yanks arrived and the German war was just about destroying the jewish race.


Ignorance is bliss.

[mocking_loudly]

Blah blah.

You all suck big monkey nuts.

I couldn't be arsed debating any one.

[perdurabo]

to D9 try to read books i know it's hard and painfull to open your mind and stop thinking only about your ass
i'm not saying this because i hate jews, but because YOU don't respect others! war casulties? for 6 028 000 Poles died CIVILIANS were 5 708 000 !! that are war casulties?!? BTW Russian 20 300 000 in that number 6 700 000... (i don't have numbers from asia but prabobly in china casulties were wery high)
Can You try to open your eyes? can you have for their deaths some respect?and don't use it in falme wars!

[ArmoredDov_D9]

You ignoring all what I'm saying. The German never had a plan to exterminate the Polish nation or the entire Russian nation.
The German slaughtered a lot of Russians and a lot Poles (I think your figures also include Jewish Poles and Jewish Russians) but they did from cruelity and not from indoctorined idealogy.

Poles and Russian weren't locked in Ghettos and forced to wear a yellow bedge to be indentified as Jews. German children never been taught the Poles are jerms.

Do you get the picture? It is not just the numbers, it also what stand behind them. An unprescendent effort to exterminate an entire race\nation from the face of the earth.

[Herrmannek]

On August 22, 1939, a few days before the official start of World War II, Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need".

Heinrich Himmler echoed Hitler's decree:

"All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."

Poles were sentenced to be victims of holocaust before Jews were. You ******.
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/poland.htm

[Tom.G]

Go and kill little children in busses by blasting nails and bolts through their internal organs, also inflicting them burn injuries and blast-related internal injuries. NOT.

:roll:
You obviously don't get my point. Terrorism has a cause. What drives someone to do something like tat?
Well, if you have been a prisoner in your own land all your life, have had your house torn down by bulldozers, seen a good friend be shot by soldiers, then you do develope a slight hatred against the other side...

1940's - Did Jews blow up buses in London? NO!

They didn't live in Refugee camps and England wasn't their land for hundreds of years.

[Tom.G]

Blah blah.

You all suck big monkey nuts.

I couldn't be arsed debating any one.

I know man. It's impossible to talk about this with Jews. I'm not anti-semetic, but its true.

[Tom.G]

To my fellow Israelis.........I think it is pointless arguing with this dumb moose head for as he claims, he knows what’s really going on because he read some national geographic magazine, never mind that you guys live there and you saw and experience the realities of what’s really going. But nooooooooooo, this chuck who is sitting on his fat ass back in Toronto, knows much more because he read this national geographic magazine.what a true POS. rofl rofl

You really are an asshole dude.

[IDFM203]

To my fellow Israelis.........I think it is pointless arguing with this dumb moose head for as he claims, he knows what’s really going on because he read some national geographic magazine, never mind that you guys live there and you saw and experience the realities of what’s really going. But nooooooooooo, this chuck who is sitting on his fat ass back in Toronto, knows much more because he read this national geographic magazine.what a true POS. rofl rofl

You really are an asshole dude.No, asshole you look yourself in the mirror before you start calling other people that.

Heck your comments here haven’t been the most respectful either. I am just responding to your outrages tones and insinuations.




oooohhh I see it coming now........you jews blah blah blah........same lame reponse blah blah blah..........

[Andyman]

defending israel one hippocritcal viewpoint at a time. :bash: :slap: :fork: :backhand: :cantbeli:

[Andyman]

by the way did anyone look at the Jehovah's Witnesses article I posted. Did you know that when they were in the concentration camps they had the option of denouncing there religious beliefs for freedom, yet many still refused to do so. I think thats pretty respectful, to ove God so much that they would endure all that, quite a show of faith if you ask me.

Hey I have a question for some of the israelis

Are there any Jehovah's Witnesses in Israel? if so how many, and have they ever came ad knowcked on your door?