shocking?

[UoUo]

I wanted to see your view about that pic...that posted on a french news paper..."Israeli soldier and palstinain young in jeruslem".


ישראלים..תהיו בשקט..נוכיח להם כמה פרופוגנדה היא דפוקה..ואיך שאף פעם הם לא יכולים לדעת את הסיפור שמאחורי התמונה.

http://img101.exs.cx/img101/1746/picpic1.jpg

[Upornik]

It certainly sends a very strong symbolic message.

[-Jack-]

Why is that guy shouting at his stick ? :|

he seems too far away to be hitting the poor lad with it.

:( feel sorry for him.

[UoUo]

It certainly sends a very strong symbolic message.

And in the first time you see the pic...don't you just think..damm..these soldier is a damm animal?

[Abolith]

And in the first time you see the pic...don't you just think..damm..these soldier is a damm animal?

No I thought Why is he yelling at his little bat? THEN I thought maybe he is yelling for help, that other kid looks pretty hurt.

[Upornik]

It certainly sends a very strong symbolic message.

And in the first time you see the pic...don't you just think..damm..these soldier is a damm animal?

Definitely. He's got a totally nazi-like expression and pose. The photographer surely caught him at the right time. :)

[Shrap]

It's cool to judge without knowing the facts.

[Bootneck]

Or perhaps the picture is not what it seems...

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=15&x_outlet=2&x_article=120



On September 30, as rioting continued in Israel and the Palestinian Authority territories, media reporting overwhelmingly cast events as involving frustrated Arabs equipped with mere stones facing heavily-armed Israelis. A vivid image that seemed to capture perfectly this story line ran in newspapers worldwide. In many it was printed in full color.

A grimacing Israeli policeman, baton raised, stood over a young man, brutally bloodied. A caption read: “An Israeli policeman and a Palestinian on the Temple Mount.”

But the victim here was not Palestinian and the angry Israeli had not beaten him. (Nor were they photographed on the Temple Mount – that too was an error.) The policeman was, in fact, protecting Tuvia Grossman, a Jewish-American student who had just been assaulted along with two friends while driving in Jerusalem in a taxi.

Arabs had stoned the vehicle and its occupants, dragging Tuvia out to beat and stab him. Another of the Americans was also severely attacked and hospitalized. Tuvia broke free from his assailants and, though he had lost his glasses and could not see well, fled toward the Israeli policeman. At that point a photographer snapped the picture.

[Laworkerbee]

Bootneck

Thanks for the link man

[UoUo]

Yep...exactly....that just show you how it easy to fraud people that don't know all the facts.


Any way like the article say, that wasn't even a palstiaian young..
And ofcoure that pic published all over the world....

[Bootneck]

I should have let it go a little longer. It might have been fun to watch some of the usual suspects spout off.


Yep...exactly....that just show you how it easy to fraud people that don't know all the facts.


Any way like the article say, that wasn't even a palstiaian young..
And ofcoure that pic published all over the world....

[Durandal]

Or perhaps the picture is not what it seems...


A beautiful post. Keep up the fight against misinformation!

[UoUo]

I should have let it go a little longer. It might have been fun to watch some of the usual suspects spout off.


Yep...exactly....that just show you how it easy to fraud people that don't know all the facts.


Any way like the article say, that wasn't even a palstiaian young..
And ofcoure that pic published all over the world....

Yeah...that what i wanted to do....never mind..i think people will still get the point. :|

[soma]

Interesting. Makes good point of not trusting media at first glance.

[Obergefreiter]

The guy is still upright. The soldier(?) is calling for for a bigger stick.

I don't care what happened the palistinian personaly. He probably deserved it. He should have been leading a productive life, like getting a job a working.

[Moledet]

WTF? is that 4 NIS per liter of diesel?

[GrimReaper]

WTF? is that 4 NIS per liter of diesel?
Found what to look at? :lol: there's a decimal point, it's probably .40 or .70 per liter.

[MEGR]

He' s yelling at a stick. Call the UN!

[ForgottenSoldier1942]

It certainly sends a very strong symbolic message.

And in the first time you see the pic...don't you just think..damm..these soldier is a damm animal?

HAHAHAHA! He saved that young ISRAELI's life! He has severely beaten by Palestinian savages on the first day of the intifada!

[rindeee]

I wanted to see your view about that pic...that posted on a french news paper..."Israeli soldier and palstinain young in jeruslem".


ישראלים..תהיו בשקט..נוכיח להם כמה פרופוגנדה היא דפוקה..ואיך שאף פעם הם לא יכולים לדעת את הסיפור שמאחורי התמונה.

http://img101.exs.cx/img101/1746/picpic1.jpg

Judging by the scale (the hand holding the baton is about the same size as the bloody fellow's nose) I'd say the guy in the background is at least 10 to 12 feet behind him...if not more.

[Adam Wilhelm]

The guy is still upright. The soldier(?) is calling for for a bigger stick.

I don't care what happened the palistinian personaly. He probably deserved it. He should have been leading a productive life, like getting a job a working.

He´s not a palestinian, he´s a jewish-american student.

[GrimmyRX]

The guy is still upright. The soldier(?) is calling for for a bigger stick.

I don't care what happened the palistinian personaly. He probably deserved it. He should have been leading a productive life, like getting a job a working.

Yes, because there are LOTS of jobs in palestine that are just WAITING to be taken.

[iflu]

it is useless to discuss on this photo, what was the story, who was on sight? nobody can judge a pic without any information. i saw 10 civilians dead on the road side and a bunch of solidiers laughed aside. r u going to tell me a story of massacre? no the story was they just dealt with a suicide attack...

[scrybe]

Good save with the caption, Bootneck.

[sp2c]

He' s yelling at a stick. Call the UN!
Actually I think he's about to eat it

anyways the fact that they printed the wrong photo doesn't really mean that you shouldn't trust the media (which by all means you shouldn't) it was just an illustration to add to the story to show what happened.

Palestinion rioters got killed by Israeli's or what not, except for the horrible cation I don't really care much about it either way

[Sulph8]

First of all, can't you see that he's using the stick as a makebelieve microphone, and i'm sure he has the voice of an angel :lol:

No but seriously, ive been bitter about the international media for years now. Boy would i like to beat me some BBC scum. :fork:

[mi35d]

It's basically a lesson in perception. The media can twist a picture to make you believe a certain position.

I have a video from Bosnia by a reporter who challenged a BBC reporter who won several awards of her pics from a "concentration camp" and its "horrors". The still photos certainly make it look horrific until you see the video footage and realize that there's no camp, there's no slaughter, it's a group of people standing behind a cattle fence.

Photographer David Douglas Duncan wrote that several times his photographs of Palestine in 46 & 47 were twisted to make a political statement by the editors of Life. Same with Eddie Adams and the famous Tet offensive execution shot.

I remember during the Senate race in New York, Hillary Clinton was trying to paint her challenger Rick Lazio as some anit-Israeli, Arafat lover by showing a picture of the congresman standing next to Arafat. Only problem was that the next day Lazio's team showed the UNCROPPED picture - here was Arafat, then Lazio, then...HILLARY AND BILL all standing outside the White House. Duh.

[Beloved Shiv]

The guy is still upright. The soldier(?) is calling for for a bigger stick.

I don't care what happened the palistinian personaly. He probably deserved it. He should have been leading a productive life, like getting a job a working.

He's not Palestinian, Dumpfbacke - lese der faden.

[big80a2]

PS there isn't even a gasstation on the temple mount!!!

[S'13]

anyways the fact that they printed the wrong photo doesn't really mean that you shouldn't trust the media (which by all means you shouldn't) it was just an illustration to add to the story to show what happened.


Illustration?! :roll:

Looks more like disinformation to me (or to any logical person).

The newspaper even wrote that this photo is from the Temple Mount (since when are there gas stations on the Temple Mount? :slap: ), not to mention that the person who was beaten was the Jewish victim of an Arab mob and the police officer in the backround saved his life by chasing them away...

Illustration my ass :cantbeli:

[Mr. Nielsen]

The story on this photo came out years ago. And there must be loads of such pictures used out of context by either side in the conflict, intentional or not

[UoUo]

The story on this photo came out years ago. And there must be loads of such pictures used out of context by either side in the conflict, intentional or not

No.

[S'13]

And there must be loads of such pictures used out of context by either side in the conflict, intentional or not

If so then you are welcomed to bring forth examples...

[Javehn]

Nielsen again .. I thought we allready agreed about you , no ? Check this out , S13 , he once said Dane is going to help Iraqies (sence it is not occupying it) and breed pig farms there , for the Iraqies . How stupid can one person be ? rofl rofl rofl :cantbeli:

On other subject , I love the gasoline prizes . :(

[S'13]

he once said Dane is going to help Iraqies (sence it is not occupying it) and breed pig farms there , for the Iraqies .


You have got to be kidding me! rofl

[Javehn]

he once said Dane is going to help Iraqies (sence it is not occupying it) and breed pig farms there , for the Iraqies .


You have got to be kidding me! rofl

I **** you not , man !!
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24497&highlight=pig+farm

:cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:




So Im sure that they will also be welcoming, the thousands of danish farmers that will shortly arrive with their families. We will of course have to to take over some of their fields in order make room for our pig farms. You know Denmarks has the worlds most efficient pig industry, and I know the iraqis will thank us for making Iraq and advanced modern pig exporting nation.

Maybe that was sarcasm .

[UoUo]

:lol: :lol:

[GrimReaper]

ג'אוון, בן-אדם, קראת טוב את כל מה שהוא אמר? זה היה משל סרקסטי,לא דוגמא..

[Javehn]

רבאק יצאתי מפגר :oops: :(

[Bokwa]

Great propoganda?!

[ZeroPositive]

looks like a bunch of BS to me....
freedom of press my ass...

[OldRecon]

I wanted to see your view about that pic...that posted on a french news paper..."Israeli soldier and palstinain young in jeruslem".


ישראלים..תהיו בשקט..נוכיח להם כמה פרופוגנדה היא דפוקה..ואיך שאף פעם הם לא יכולים לדעת את הסיפור שמאחורי התמונה.

http://img101.exs.cx/img101/1746/picpic1.jpg
It's what that guy with the stick do off camera that matters.
The Palestinian has obviously taken a battering, and the "battman" in the background is obviously under influence of a lot of adrenaline.

[EffJi]

Have you even read the replies?
The bleeding boy is Israeli.
He was beaten by Palistinians.
The man with the stick "who is under the influence of a lot of adrenaline" saved his life by chasing the palistinians, that beat the boy, away.

Off camera the "battman" probably helped the kid some more.

[-=P=-]

There isnt anything shocking, thats life... **** happens.

[S'13]

There isnt anything shocking, thats life... **** happens.

True but there are elements in the world press (like the newspaper that distorted the story behind the photo) that like to stir the ****...

[OldRecon]

Have you even read the replies?
The bleeding boy is Israeli.
He was beaten by Palistinians.
The man with the stick "who is under the influence of a lot of adrenaline" saved his life by chasing the palistinians, that beat the boy, away.

Off camera the "battman" probably helped the kid some more.

Nope I just read the first posting under this thread and answered to that.
Not knowing the story around the picture I just responded to it as I saw it there and then. Wether the civvy guy was a Palestinian or not (though I designated him as such in my first reply) is more or less irrelevant to me at least. He has taken a battering, and the policeman is under influence of adrenaline, period! And how he acts of camera, not neccessarily linked to this depicted incident, still do count :|.
If you haven't got it allready my general opinion on the Arab-Israeli conflict is "let the strongest and most clever win in the long run". Whichever way things go there will be plenty of uggliness along the way.
To me it's just a case of two dogs, who have a different approach to "their belief in Santa", fighting for the same meagre bone.
That journalists have misinterpreted news-photos or not given the correct story behind them isn't exactly a new phenomenon. It's happenend in the Nam war and in coverage of the NI conflict also for that matter.

[chomstein]

Wether the civvy guy was a Palestinian or not is more or less irrelevant to me at least.

:roll: Yeah buddy, it's all relative.

[S'13]

That journalists have misinterpreted news-photos or not given the correct story behind them isn't exactly a new phenomenon. It's happenend in the Nam war and in coverage of the NI conflict also for that matter.

And lets agree that today such a phenomenon should not exist, especially not in this day and age.

[OldRecon]

That journalists have misinterpreted news-photos or not given the correct story behind them isn't exactly a new phenomenon. It's happenend in the Nam war and in coverage of the NI conflict also for that matter.

And lets agree that today such a phenomenon should not exist, especially not in this day and age.

The world ain't perfect (and will never be probably :roll:), not much to do with that.

[S'13]

That journalists have misinterpreted news-photos or not given the correct story behind them isn't exactly a new phenomenon. It's happenend in the Nam war and in coverage of the NI conflict also for that matter.

And lets agree that today such a phenomenon should not exist, especially not in this day and age.

The world ain't perfect (and will never be probably :roll:), not much to do with that.

True but you can always try and improve...
Don't be such a pessimist mate ;)

[TALOS]

That journalists have misinterpreted news-photos or not given the correct story behind them isn't exactly a new phenomenon. It's happenend in the Nam war and in coverage of the NI conflict also for that matter.

And lets agree that today such a phenomenon should not exist, especially not in this day and age.

The world ain't perfect (and will never be probably :roll:), not much to do with that.
WOW, lets all just give up then eh?
is that your attitude in your community also? I am involved in my community even when I feel like it wont matter, but you know what, it does matter.
We all as one large world community owe it to ourselves and others to try and do our best to apply principle of honesty and decency wherever we can, and no, we wont always succeed, but we still gotta try.

[LeMat]

My point of view:
I can`t say anything. I don`t know who are these people and what had they done? I can see a soldier with stick and young man with blood on his face. But why is he wounded? What did he do?

[Raistlin]

If you haven't got it allready my general opinion on the Arab-Israeli conflict is "let the strongest and most clever win in the long run".
God I wish it was so easy.