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jdbjdb
09-16-2003, 06:01 PM
The United States vetoed an Arab-backed United Nations resolution Tuesday demanding that Israel halt threats to expel Yasser Arafat from the West Bank because it did not contain a condemnation of terrorist groups such as Hamas.

Eleven of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor of the resolution and three abstained: Britain, Germany and Bulgaria.

Earlier Tuesday US officials said that they were not satisfied with a revised draft resolution demanding that the UN ensure the safety of Arafat, making a quick vote unlikely.

Syria had intended to push for a vote after a daylong open meeting on the Middle East Monday, but was persuaded by other council members to amend it and delay the vote for a day.

But US deputy ambassador James Cunningham told reporters Tuesday after seeing the new text that more consultations were needed.

"I don't think the revised text is any different from the previous text. Draw your own conclusions," he said. "I'm not sure it's going to come to a vote - or when it's going to come to a vote."

The resolution, drafted by Palestinian representative Nasser al-Kidwa, and sponsored by Syria, demands "that Israel, the occupying power, desist from any act of deportation and cease any threat to the safety of the elected president of the Palestinian Authority."

On Monday, diplomats from more than 40 countries took to the floor to condemn Israel's decision to remove Arafat. However, US Ambassador John Negroponte said Washington would veto the resolution in its present form because it does not condemn Palestinian terrorism and was "heavily biased" against Israel.

Addressing the council, UN Middle East envoy Terje Roed Larsen said the Middle East peace process has ground to a standstill and that more bloodshed is inevitable unless the road map can be quickly pushed forward.

Larsen criticized the Palestinians for failing to take advantage of a recent ceasefire to carry out security reforms including consolidation of security forces. He also criticized the Israeli decision on removing Arafat, as well as ongoing settlement activity.

In advance of the meeting, Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations Dan Gillerman accused the Security Council of hypocrisy for considering the Palestinian resolution. Gillerman said the Security Council has met repeatedly to condemn Israeli actions, but ignores Palestinian suicide bombings and shooting attacks on Israelis.

As Gillerman was speaking, the Palestinian envoy to the UN Nasser al-Kidwa got up and left the discussion hall.

"High-minded rhetoric about the so-called legitimacy of Mr. Arafat's leadership and the illegitimacy of Israel's interference, are meaningless and hypocritical in the face of the hundreds of dead and injured innocent civilians killed with the direct approval or acquiescence of Mr. Arafat himself," Gillerman said.

"For how long will there be states among us who are willing to continue the charade of touting Mr. Arafat as a legitimate leader committed to the welfare of his people and peaceful relations with his neighbors. The ruin that Mr. Arafat has left behind in Jordan, in Lebanon, and in the West Bank testify that he has brought nothing but despair and devastation to his own people and to other people in the region."

"It would be a grave error if the Council were to come to the aid not of the victims of terrorism, but of their sponsor and perpetrator. The Council's focus should be directed first and foremost at terrorism and at its facilitators, and not at the response to terrorism. Pressure should be directed against the problem and not against those who are its victims, " he added.

The council began consultations on a resolution drafted by the Palestinians late Friday and then adjourned until today, despite Palestinian pressure for a quick vote.

Council ambassadors said they wanted to consult their capitals and wait for the outcome of Secretary-General Kofi Annan's meeting in Geneva on Saturday with the foreign ministers of the five permanent council nations - the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France.

Russia considers that any attempt by Israel to remove Arafat would be counterproductive and could lead to a serious global crisis in the Mideast, Deputy Foreign Minister Yuri Fedotov said.

An attempt to kill Arafat could lead to "an immense and wide scale growth in the threat of terrorism," he said.

So far, the council has only issued a press statement saying "the removal of chairman Arafat would be unhelpful and should not be implemented." The statement, read by the council president, British Ambassador Emyr Jones Parry, reflected the consensus among the 15 council members.

The government is trying to persuade the United States to veto the resolution, Gillerman said, but at the moment it seems more likely Washington will abstain, allowing the resolution to pass. The United States has in the past vetoed resolutions that it has felt are too hard on Israel.

Israel has intensified its hunt for militants since an Aug. 19 bus bombing in which 23 people, including six children, were killed. After twin suicide bombing attacks last Tuesday, in which 15 people were murdered, the security cabinet decided to "remove" Arafat, calling him the major obstacle to peace.

"The fact that the Security Council remembers meet because of a decision to expel a person, who in everyone's opinion is a murderer and responsible for the wave of terrorism, and possibly for the worst terrorism in the 21st century, is a black mark," Gillerman said.

Tom.G
09-16-2003, 06:37 PM
If the Israelis kill Arafat, the **** will hit the fan.

JiJoMacLE45
09-16-2003, 07:41 PM
You reap what you sow.

hood
09-16-2003, 08:03 PM
What sounds more likely, is that they'll isolate him to such an extent that he becomes totally ineffective. No telephone, no electricity, no outside communications. Basically in jail.

JohnJohn
09-16-2003, 08:10 PM
then they'll bring in the nuke woot

:P

Ariel Sharon should have killed Arafat decades ago when he had the chance.

Did you guys know Arafat secretly married a Christian a long time ago? :oops:

JiJoMacLE45
09-16-2003, 08:24 PM
You can't beat an infidel in the sack.

jdbjdb
09-16-2003, 08:32 PM
I don't care how you look at it, Arafat is the chairman of the PA but more then anything he's a terrorist! He has to take responsability for his peoples actions, or pay the price!

Sean85
09-16-2003, 09:09 PM
Damn straight jdbjdb

He219
09-16-2003, 09:55 PM
jdbjdb wrote: (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3756)

How about giving guns and some C4 to the orthodox jews, and let get rid of that ugly gold dome and retake the temple mount?

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat 's guard escort ultra-Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Moshe Hirsch, center, before a meeting with Arafat in the West Bank town of Ramallah, Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2003.
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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat , right, shakes hands with ultra-Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Moshe Hirsch, left, after their meeting at Arafat's office in the West Bank town of Ramallah, Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2003. Hirsch, who was born in New York City, belongs to a branch of ultra-Orthodox Judaism called Neturei Karta which advocates Palestinian statehood. Hirsch also serves in Arafat's cabinet as Minister for Jewish Affairs. (AP Photo/Muhammed Nasser)

jdbjdb
09-16-2003, 11:59 PM
I doubt the Rabbi would agree with Arafat when it comes to Har Habyit

Saranof
09-17-2003, 09:04 AM
What sounds more likely, is that they'll isolate him to such an extent that he becomes totally ineffective. No telephone, no electricity, no outside communications. Basically in jail.


So that he gets even LESS control over the extremist groups...so MORE attacks occure...so MORE israelis die...
Hell, thats a real smart move by Sharon p-)

Adri
09-17-2003, 09:33 AM
if israel kills arafat then there will be warm as hell in israel and gaza.

if he dies; hamas and other terrorist groups will go absolut crazy....and gess what will happen then (hint: BOOOMMM, a man with tnt)

and offcours that will give israel the chanse to use the big A (you know the a-bomb)

but this is just my wild speculations.... ;)



ps. realy, I cant understand why so many people suports israel ?
okey there enemy are using terrorist, wich i bad but what are the supose to use? rocks vs m16 ? they (the palestinians) don`t have apache or F-16
they just don`t have any other think to use.....

I doesen`t suport they`re terrorist action but that is just because the attack civilians; but I can understand why.
the palestinians have lived there for decages, and now the israelis have come and "conquerd" there "holy land" but offcourse the israelis didnt deside where to place there country...the britons did (or the UN...don`t remember)

that is why the conflict is so dificult to solve (offcourse there are a lot more) :(


I live i norway, and don`t have see any terrorist or war in my life, so this is my point of view (I have watched the news)
I am just trying to see it from bouth sides...

oh, sorry about my bad english :oops: got a 3 (grade) i english :lol:

steel bonnet
09-17-2003, 11:05 AM
Well Alas for Israel,they get (BOOOOOOM man & TNT) no matter what happens.

The IDF,would rather be elsewhere than against Civilians & the COWARDLY TERROISTS amongst them.

Though when you have that,well you can only take one option (after all it`s PROVEN you cannot deal with HAMAS/PALISTINE) whilst Arafat is either in Palistine/alive.

He won`t even let there Prime Minister try & make peace via ammicable arrangements.

As for it being there HOLY land,well MOST if not ALL of these Fictitious Books they hold so dear,seem to claim it`s the Holy land,in one form or another.
Take the religion away,well maybe they could live together,whilst the religion lives,so does the HATRED.

Ja
Steel Bonnet

hood
09-17-2003, 12:35 PM
So that he gets even LESS control over the extremist groups

??? Arafat and the terrorist groups are one and the same. Seized documents and tapped communications have shown that Arafat has personally ordered many of the bombings. He has no intention of stopping any of it, unless it helps him politically, but then he starts them up again. To think that he's not continuously directly involved with the actions of these groups is being naive and goes against all the evidence that's been discovered up until now.

He219
09-17-2003, 01:06 PM
Just curious, but if there is overwhealming evidence of direct terrorist complicity, why would'nt the International Courts indict him? There seems to be an effort to indict Sharon for complicity in the massacre of 800 Palestinians at the Chatilla and Sabra Refugee Camps in west Beirut by pro-Israeli militias (SLA?) during Israel's invasion of Lebanon.

Just a thought...

hood
09-17-2003, 01:43 PM
Because countries like France aren't calling it terrorism, although France is obviously hardly alone in that opinion. They think it's A-OK to blow up jews whenever and wherever possible. A very large part of the world hates or has a severe dislike for the jews and it's one of the reasons why the United States has acted the role of the big tough brother, otherwise Israel might not exist in it's current form.

Adri
09-17-2003, 03:34 PM
coulden`t the world just arrest Sharon AND Arafat !!!
just let the International Court take care of them.... they are bouth terrorists !

jdbjdb
09-17-2003, 04:53 PM
Arafat's wife and daughter are living pretty nice in Paris France, they are sucking millions from the PA bank accounts.

citizen-k
09-17-2003, 05:00 PM
Just curious, but if there is overwhealming evidence of direct terrorist complicity, why would'nt the International Courts indict him? There seems to be an effort to indict Sharon for complicity in the massacre of 800 Palestinians at the Chatilla and Sabra Refugee Camps in west Beirut by pro-Israeli militias (SLA?) during Israel's invasion of Lebanon.

Just a thought...

It wasn't the SLA since the SLA wasn't born yet. These were Christians which supported the Israeli invasion because they were fed up with the terror Arafat’s man used against them.

In case people have forgotten (and when it comes to Israel they usually do)
Arafat created what was called FatahLand (PLO-LAND) in south Lebanon. This led to the Israeli invasion after the asesination attempt against the Israeli ambassador in Britian.

As for the massacre, it was done by those Christians, against the Palestinians as an act of revenge - the attempt to accuse Sharon for not stoping them while his army is in war against the PLO and the Syrian army is absurd.
Sharon never ordered them to kill each other, it was an internal issue during the time when Israel or the IDF DIDNT control the area (they were still fighting and had no responsibility for the locals - especially not the local enemies)

citizen-k
09-17-2003, 05:05 PM
Because countries like France aren't calling it terrorism, although France is obviously hardly alone in that opinion. They think it's A-OK to blow up jews whenever and wherever possible. A very large part of the world hates or has a severe dislike for the jews and it's one of the reasons why the United States has acted the role of the big tough brother, otherwise Israel might not exist in it's current form.

Franch people thought it's ok to kill Jews 60 years ago and they have the same opinion today...
The world thought Franch people stink 60 years ago and they still do today...


In case the USA wouldn't adopt Israel and the Soviets wouldn't adopt the arabs - who would have test their weapons?

SOG
09-17-2003, 05:34 PM
What sounds more likely, is that they'll isolate him to such an extent that he becomes totally ineffective. No telephone, no electricity, no outside communications. Basically in jail.


So that he gets even LESS control over the extremist groups...so MORE attacks occure...so MORE israelis die...
Hell, thats a real smart move by Sharon p-)

yup it is. surround the objective head, draw out his followers, cut off his communication and finance flow, disrupt the organization, and ultimately put a severe dent in there planned ops and kill many members in exchange for the few israelis that would have died anyway if they did nothing except spar as usual. israelis would die as usual from bombings, might as well stop ****ing around and go for the much respected head of the snake. the ****er lives out there like hes untouchable. hes about to get a wake up call.

jdbjdb
09-17-2003, 06:23 PM
Seized documents and tapped communications have shown that Arafat has personally ordered many of the bombings
The PA claim those are "forged" documents, but we know they are not forged, and they are legit. And I seen on the news Jordan unfroze Hamas bank accounts, guess america will just have to pull on their chain and force king abdullah to refreze them.