US Withdrawal from the UN

[priccobe]

Interesting read titled "The United States of America Should Withdraw From the United Nations"


This is the same United Nations that did nothing when Red China invaded and occupied Tibet.

This is the same United Nations that stood by while Rwanda went about the business of slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

This is the same United Nations that has been unable to stop the Sudan from conducting genocide against more than a million of its Christian citizens. And Sudan is a member of the UN Human Rights Commission!

This is the same United Nations that has been unable to persuade Syria to withdraw its occupation troops from Lebanon.

This is the same United Nations that has stood by for years as the Palestinians waged a terrorist campaign against the Israelis and then chided the Israelis for building a fence as a means to defend themselves.

This is the same United Nations that needed a coalition led by the United States to force Iraq to withdraw from its invasion of Kuwait and then spent twelve years passing one useless resolution after another to get Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to disarm.


...the United Nations has been largely sustained by the twenty-five percent of its annual budget paid by the United States, plus the $1.4 billion the US gives to United Nations’ programs and agencies. US taxpayers fund more of the UN’s activities than all of the other 177 member nations. At the same time, the vast majority of the recipients of US foreign aid routinely vote against the wishes of the United States. Most of those opposing US initiatives come from Africa and the Middle East.

Since the founding of the United Nations in 1948, there have been 291 wars resulting in 22 million deaths. The US Department of State lists 36 terrorist organizations operating with impunity in at least 60 UN member nations. Some 47 member nations are dictatorships and the UN roster includes six terrorist states.

Please, let us not even discuss its human rights record. At one point, it ejected the United States from membership in its Human Rights Commission and installed Libya to chair its meetings. Libya!

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3453

[wholagun]

Im in a UN course here at Queens and my prof was telling us how the US pays the most but get a **** load back. Keep in mind the UN HQ is in the US (New York). UN doesn't also cost that much, honestly, he gave us statistics how Dokota has more money to run its burocracy then the UN anually. Now UN has more $ in terms of programs and peacekeeping but not in terms of cost for running the burocracy. Every US state has more funding for burocracy. Iv always supported taking the UN away from NY and moving it to Europe, no problem with that, Im sure many European cities would love to have the extra cash infjection anually.
US also holds off paying its fees till the last possible minute, it pays eventually but its creates alot of stress for alot of people.

Remember the UN is not a seperate entity that is autonomous. UN is run by states, most importatly the US. The US has and other 4 permanent sec council members have created alot of problems. Also, Americans are not happy with the UN, but they the British and the Russians wrote the UN charter practically at Yalta. No, San Francisco was not really to write the charter but more to ask the other states to see if they liked what the others had written. Many states didn't like this, and they debated the issues. Thus, the UN is a lame duck becasue of its structure and the states in the UN especially the perament 5 who have alot of power.

[Geezah]

Interesting read titled "The United States of America Should Withdraw From the United Nations"


This is the same United Nations that did nothing when Red China invaded and occupied Tibet.

This is the same United Nations that stood by while Rwanda went about the business of slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

This is the same United Nations that has been unable to stop the Sudan from conducting genocide against more than a million of its Christian citizens. And Sudan is a member of the UN Human Rights Commission!

This is the same United Nations that has been unable to persuade Syria to withdraw its occupation troops from Lebanon.

This is the same United Nations that has stood by for years as the Palestinians waged a terrorist campaign against the Israelis and then chided the Israelis for building a fence as a means to defend themselves.

This is the same United Nations that needed a coalition led by the United States to force Iraq to withdraw from its invasion of Kuwait and then spent twelve years passing one useless resolution after another to get Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to disarm.


...the United Nations has been largely sustained by the twenty-five percent of its annual budget paid by the United States, plus the $1.4 billion the US gives to United Nations’ programs and agencies. US taxpayers fund more of the UN’s activities than all of the other 177 member nations. At the same time, the vast majority of the recipients of US foreign aid routinely vote against the wishes of the United States. Most of those opposing US initiatives come from Africa and the Middle East.

Since the founding of the United Nations in 1948, there have been 291 wars resulting in 22 million deaths. The US Department of State lists 36 terrorist organizations operating with impunity in at least 60 UN member nations. Some 47 member nations are dictatorships and the UN roster includes six terrorist states.

Please, let us not even discuss its human rights record. At one point, it ejected the United States from membership in its Human Rights Commission and installed Libya to chair its meetings. Libya!

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3453

I'd love to pullout of the UN ;)

[wholagun]

This is the same United Nations that did nothing when Red China invaded and occupied Tibet.

This is the same United Nations that stood by while Rwanda went about the business of slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

This is the same United Nations that has been unable to stop the Sudan from conducting genocide against more than a million of its Christian citizens. And Sudan is a member of the UN Human Rights Commission!

This is the same United Nations that has been unable to persuade Syria to withdraw its occupation troops from Lebanon.

This is the same United Nations that has stood by for years as the Palestinians waged a terrorist campaign against the Israelis and then chided the Israelis for building a fence as a means to defend themselves.

This is the same United Nations that needed a coalition led by the United States to force Iraq to withdraw from its invasion of Kuwait and then spent twelve years passing one useless resolution after another to get Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to disarm.


is this failure of the UN or the sec council? All decisions are approched by this idea in mind "how will the P5 vote"? If the general assembly voted things would be passed with a simple majority, its only when P5 veto, or fail to act that things get bogged down.

There are things I would love to reform about the UN, i would change alot of things, so don't get the idea that i love the UN as it is and i want to keep it as is. However, i do believe that Amerians that blame the UN for everything are not being fair to the UN, and deflecting alot of critisism from the US and other sec council members, that is not to say that others are not at fault but a big problem is the sec council.

[Knutsen]

The same UN who didn't impose sanctions on the US for invading another country, the same UN who doesn't sanction Israel when Israel don't give a **** about resolutions.

[BarkingSquirrel]

The same UN that frauded it's own so called humanitarian programs.

[wholagun]

The same UN that frauded it's own so called humanitarian programs.

yeah thats what i mean about reforming the UN. But again many Americans, not all try and deflect any blame away from them and back onto the system itself. Although the americans in my class are pretty good about the UN and are fair in thier criticism of both the US and the UN itself.

Another example which came to my mind. You guys remember Dafur not long ago. The sec council decided to take up the issue, and it was the sec council that failed to put sanctions on the Sudanese government. It was not the general assembly, and to say that the sec council is the UN is not fair to say the least.

[Geezah]

I may be ignorant to this, but is it possible to show me where sanctions have worked?

[priccobe]

The same UN who didn't impose sanctions on the US for invading another country, the same UN who doesn't sanction Israel when Israel don't give a f*** about resolutions.
What country are you talking about??? The one where we had 17 Security Council resolutions backing us up? The one where the majority of the UN Security Council members who signed resolution after resolution against Saddam and Iraq and then when it came time to put up.... THEY BACKED DOWN? You mean that one?

Is this thesame UN that doesn't sanction or even condemn the Palestinians after they initiate suicide bombing attacks against Israeli civilians?

[wholagun]

The same UN who didn't impose sanctions on the US for invading another country, the same UN who doesn't sanction Israel when Israel don't give a f*** about resolutions.
What country are you talking about??? The one where we had 17 Security Council resolutions backing us up? The one where the majority of the UN Security Council members who signed resolution after resolution against Saddam and Iraq and then when it came time to put up.... THEY BACKED DOWN? You mean that one?

Is this thesame UN that doesn't sanction or even condemn the Palestinians after they initiate suicide bombing attacks against Israeli civilians?

ok so your blaming the states for not acting, not the idea of the UN itself is that right? If so i aggree with you that that states are to blame not the idea behind the UN.

as for UN sanctions that have worked, there are some i can't recall any off the top of my head unforunetly. When i remember then i will post them, i know there were some.

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the UN is the best thing since sliced bread :D

[wholagun]

the UN is the best thing since sliced bread :D

i thought you said it was farmgirl. :)

[aartamen]

UN as a peacemaking and keeping organisation is nearly worthless. There are other aspects that it might be useful in. Overall it's crap.

[wholagun]

UN as a peacemaking and keeping organisation is nearly worthless. There are other aspects that it might be useful in. Overall it's crap.

ok yeah I have problems with it was well, i wouldn't say its over crap but i would say its amazing as well.
Peacekeeping operations are very political and alot of countries have to agree on peacekeepinga nd who get to do what and when and who pays for what. There needs to be reform.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Sliced bread sucks. It gets moldy far too quickly.

[scm77]

I hate when you make a sandwich and you leave it out for 15 minutes and the bread gets all hard and stale.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Yeah, and then it crumbles from the slightest pressure...

[wholagun]

one summer i worked at a Canada bread factory we made Dempsters bread, guys just a heads up. Jean Parker Equality brand is the same **** as dempsters white bread. Dont waste your money. Also, don't buy white Demspters bread its ****, go for mulit grain. They actually care how that is made, the other **** is crap.

Or just buy European bread. If you hate the French or other Europeans then go over to your local Polish backery and get some Polish bread, your taste buds will thank you for it.

[Pandy]

What the ****... This fourm has the worst case of ADD I've ever seen. Going from how the US should withdrawl from the UN to how the UN ****ing sucks with it's defense, to how sliced bread sucks... ok.

[Sir Zach of R.]

I don't like sliced bread either. I just make hogies, or make my own bread and then make Texas Toast. :D

[szr]

he gave us statistics how Dokota has more money to run its burocracy then the UN anually.Which Dakota?

[walford]

http://utopia-unmasked.us/unilateralism.html
...The United Nations has abjectly failed in its mission to keep the peace and foster prosperity. Some wars have been prevented, but people still have died in the limited conflicts that have erupted since the Second World War. A far greater number of people have been killed by their own governments during that same period:
• The People’s Republic of China – 35 million
• Post WWII Soviet Union over 20 million [more than 40 million pre-war]
• Khmer Rouge – 2.5 million
• Viet Nam – 1.7 million
• Poland – 1.6 million
• North Korea – 1.7 million
• Pakistan – 1.5 million (Rummel)

The UN has had little to say about this wholesale slaughter – before, during or since. Instead the government that the UN has condemned the most is the state of Israel, with 65 formal Security Council resolutions passed against the Jewish state from 1955-92 [30 of which having been vetoed by the United States] (Findley 192-194). [This figure is often cited a prima facie proof of Israel’s fundamental illegitimacy – and American unfairness [as it is in Findley's book] -- rather than the UN’s absurd hypocrisy.] Thus, while governments killed their own by the millions, Israel became the UN’s number one Pariah State.

We see then that charges of the Bush administration being ‘unilateralist’ are to be taken with considerable skepticism. The main accusers -- the Continental Europeans and their sychophants in the United States, Great Britain and elsewhere -- have an agenda that is not altogether benevolent. The internationalists/multilateralists see that they have no military teeth – individually or collectively. They are not willing to spend what is necessary to exert military power for influence/security without American help, so they expect the U.S. to make up the difference as a subordinate entity...

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2257.html
...The existence of independent and sovereign nation-states in a Hobbesian ‘state of nature’ is widely believed by UN supporters to be the principal cause of war. Additionally, a small overlapping cadre also holds that the optimal means to implement a Master Plan for society is via a singular global regime. Competition simply cannot be tolerated. The pervasive control and economic degradation that typifies Utopian government is far more difficult for the lumpenproletariat to accept if others are enjoying freedom and prosperity elsewhere.

This partially explains why any assertion of national policy that is not subordinate to the UN is greeted with such hysteria. Additionally, while the UN has on occasion been able to grudgingly acquiesce to defending against aggression, removing the offending dictatorship has always been beyond consideration. Having a government held into place by force replaced with one subject to popular mandate would set a frightening precedent for most member states, especially those in the Middle East.

The 1971 ejection of democratic Taiwan in favor of Mao’s China serves as a good benchmark illustrating the UN’s long-standing irrelevance. An international body comprised of illegitimate regimes cannot credibly claim legitimate authority. Moreover, such an organization can never serve the cause of peace, because it is dictatorship, not nationhood that makes war inevitable. History has repeatedly shown that tyranny cannot be peacefully appeased or ‘contained’ for long.

For several generations, much of humanity has been locked in a deadly conflict between the world’s various despotic regimes (and their appeasers) and those that demonstrably support the cause of freedom. It is a zero-sum game; the dictators have always known that. It’s time we in the Free World understand this also and act accordingly. Passivity has never brought security. We must have at least as much resolve to defend liberty as do those who are determined to destroy it...

[BarkingSquirrel]

What the f***... This fourm has the worst case of ADD I've ever seen. Going from how the US should withdrawl from the UN to how the UN f*** sucks with it's defense, to how sliced bread sucks... ok.Glad to see there's atleast one idiot too stupid to see the comparisons as they happened.

[Kilgor]

The 1971 ejection of democratic Taiwan in favor of Mao’s China serves as a good benchmark illustrating the UN’s long-standing irrelevance. An international body comprised of illegitimate regimes cannot credibly claim legitimate authority

it says alot....

[username]

The same UN who didn't impose sanctions on the US for invading another country, the same UN who doesn't sanction Israel when Israel don't give a f*** about resolutions.

thats because any attempt made by the UN to do this the US uses it's veto to stop it, check the UN website and all of it's resolution attempts, it's a joke how many the US has vetoed.

[penna]

The same UN who didn't impose sanctions on the US for invading another country, the same UN who doesn't sanction Israel when Israel don't give a f*** about resolutions.

thats because any attempt made by the UN to do this the US uses it's veto to stop it, check the UN website and all of it's resolution attempts, it's a joke how many the US has vetoed.

yeah and all the vetoes russia and france pull

[walford]

thats because any attempt made by the UN to do this the US uses it's veto to stop it, check the UN website and all of it's resolution attempts, it's a joke how many the US has vetoed.
Yes, how terrible it is that the United States vetoed a baker's dozen resolutions against Israel -- by far the most sanctioned nation on this planet. All the while other governments have killed literally hundreds of millions of people and the UN didn't say spit about that.

Tell you what, why don't we have the United States withdraw from the UN. Then you can pass all the friggin' resolutions you want. Now try and enforce them.

You already have Libya monitoring human rights, why not invite Syria, Cuba and The Sudan to repopulate the Security Council. You can have your own little Third World Anti-America/Israel club over there in Geneva. Don't expect us to subsidize it anymore. The UN is a putrifying canker sore on a good day.

Guess what? AMERICA DOESN'T NEED THE UN! Get over it.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Don't ya know Walford? These "people"(and I use the term loosely) don't care how many people die, as long as they can still blame the US every chance they get.