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J-10
10-21-2004, 03:14 AM
Amnesty, Australia ask Singapore to spare life of drug smuggler
Wed, Oct 20, 2004
39 minutes ago Asia - AFP (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1530&ncid=721&e=12&u=/afp/20041021/wl_asia_afp/singapore_australia)

SINGAPORE (AFP) - Human rights group Amnesty International and the Australian government have urged Singapore to spare the life of an Australian man sentenced to hang for heroin trafficking.

Amnesty, a strong critic of the death penalty system in Singapore, urged the city state -- said to have the world's highest number of executions relative to its population -- to grant clemency to Nguyen Tuong Van.

Singapore's highest court on Wednesday rejected Nguyen's appeal to set aside his conviction and sentence. Only a rare clemency from Singapore's President S. R. Nathan could spare him from the gallows, the only form of execution here.

The 24-year-old ethnic Vietnamese from Melbourne will be the first Australian citizen to be executed in Singapore if he fails to get his sentence commuted to a prison term.

"Clearly Amnesty International is dismayed that the appeal has been turned down," Tim Goodwin, spokesman for Amnesty International Australia, told AFP by telephone. "We are calling on the Singapore government to grant clemency."

In Australia, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said Thursday the government would appeal directly to Singapore's president to spare Nguyen's life.

Downer said while he accepted the court's decision that Nguyen was guilty, Australia opposed capital punishment.

"It's now just a question of the sentence, and we hope that, by appealing to the president of Singapore, that it will be possible to get clemency granted and, as a result, Mr Nguyen serve an appropriate custodial sentence in Singapore," Downer said in a radio interview.

"We think that to execute him would be simply too severe," Downer said.

Downer acknowledged that the request for presidential clemency was a long shot, as Singapore has granted only six appeals in the past 25 years.

"It is an outside chance ... but we'll just do what we can," he said.

Amnesty in a report last January singled out Singapore for executing more people than any country per capita and renewed calls for it to abolish the death penalty.

It said more than 400 convicts, many of them foreign migrant workers, were executed in Singapore, which has just over four million people, from 1991 to October 2003.

Nguyen was arrested at Singapore's Changi airport while in transit from Cambodia to Australia in December 2002 and convicted for smuggling almost 400 grams (14 ounces) of heroin.

Singapore made the death penalty mandatory for drug traffickers and murderers in 1975. Anyone caught with more than 15 grams of heroin in Singapore is assumed to be importing or trafficking the drug.

In its ruling Wednesday rejecting Nguyen's appeal to set aside his conviction, Singapore's Court of Appeal said the death penalty was constitutional and hanging did not amount to cruel and inhuman punishment.

"It was clear that he wanted to earn money by transporting drugs," the ruling said. "He flew to Phnom Penh, where members of a drug syndicate provided him with the heroin for transportation via Singapore."

Flagg
10-21-2004, 03:21 AM
My parents were living in Singapore when that American teenager was sentenced with a beating from a rattan cane for vandalizing a Honda Civic sometime back in the 90's.

There was a big uproar in the US over it, and many thought it was cruel and unusual treatment......but then again Singapore isn't the US, and Singapore doesn't have the same crime rates as the US either.....so they gave him a good bash.

I hate to say it, but their country, their rules.......he's probably going to swing.

digrar
10-21-2004, 05:31 AM
No drama's here. A little bit of capital and corporal punishment goes a long way IMO.

Phil642
10-21-2004, 05:33 AM
Everybody knows that Singapore's laws are severe, that trafficker should have known the risks he incured ...

GazB
10-21-2004, 06:16 AM
Hate to say it because it is a life involved, but you do the crime, then you should do the time.

This guy smuggles drugs that can kill and certainly do ruin many lives. It is hard to sympathise.

There was a NZ chick that was caught smuggling somewhere in Asia a decade or so ago... can't remember which country she got caught in but it always pissed me off that our government intervened and got her off. Why should local people face one sentence and foreigners face another. Especially in poor countries... they might have no choice but to deal in drugs, but foreigners choose to do what they do... I think they should be treated worse than the locals in such matters.

ogukuo72
10-21-2004, 06:44 AM
I'm from Singapore, and thank you guys for your understanding. :)

I really hate it when foreign groups like Amnesty International try to tell us how we should run our country.

ogukuo72
10-21-2004, 06:54 AM
My parents were living in Singapore when that American teenager was sentenced with a beating from a rattan cane for vandalizing a Honda Civic sometime back in the 90's.

There was a big uproar in the US over it, and many thought it was cruel and unusual treatment......but then again Singapore isn't the US, and Singapore doesn't have the same crime rates as the US either.....so they gave him a good bash.

I hate to say it, but their country, their rules.......he's probably going to swing.

It goes beyond a Honda Civic actually. Public properties, such as a telephone booth, were spray painted and destroyed.

But I think what really pissed Singaporeans off was the fact that these were a bunch of privileged expatriate kids with absolutely no respect for the laws and property of their host country. We may be a small nation, but we aren't going to someone come into our country and s**t all over our front lawn. We've to stand up for ourselves as a nation - particularly when the Clinton administration tried to bully us into going easy on the vandals.

Flagg
10-21-2004, 07:38 AM
It goes beyond a Honda Civic actually. Public properties, such as a telephone booth, were spray painted and destroyed.

But I think what really pissed Singaporeans off was the fact that these were a bunch of privileged expatriate kids with absolutely no respect for the laws and property of their host country. We may be a small nation, but we aren't going to someone come into our country and s**t all over our front lawn. We've to stand up for ourselves as a nation - particularly when the Clinton administration tried to bully us into going easy on the vandals.

As I understand it....in this particular case it involved just the car...a white mid-90's 4 door Civic.

The US perspective was that it was no big deal......my parents conveyed to me that it was, because it was the punishment dealth under the law, and because ownership of a car in Singapore is an entire level of magnitude greater in cost to own(car, import duty, required parking space, etc. all MUCH more expensive than their equivalent in the US).

oldsoak
10-21-2004, 08:59 AM
At one time , If my memory serves me correctly, the Singaporeans used to operate a sort of "last chance" system where the trafficker could drop off their drugs in a special booth ( if they were carrying ti on their person ) and nothing more would be said. I vaguely remember seeing this at the "old" airport. Do they still do this ? I personally dont like the idea of the death penalty for traffickers as these are always "small fry" and the big names never get their hands dirty, but thems the rules and the Singaporeans do make it very obvious so one cant really say one did not know what the consequences are.

Geezah
10-21-2004, 09:48 AM
My parents were living in Singapore when that American teenager was sentenced with a beating from a rattan cane for vandalizing a Honda Civic sometime back in the 90's.

There was a big uproar in the US over it, and many thought it was cruel and unusual treatment......but then again Singapore isn't the US, and Singapore doesn't have the same crime rates as the US either.....so they gave him a good bash.

I hate to say it, but their country, their rules.......he's probably going to swing.

My In-Law and me were talking about that the other day, the kid was from Ohio, and as far as I'm concerned he got what he deserved.

Ze
10-21-2004, 10:23 AM
i heard on the news the guy was smuggling drugs to sell so that his brothers gambling debts would be paid off b4 anything else happened.

Bluezoo
10-21-2004, 01:05 PM
I'm from Singapore, and thank you guys for your understanding. :)

I really hate it when foreign groups like Amnesty International try to tell us how we should run our country.

You are right.

Dura Lex Sed Lex ---the law is hard but it is the law. Let it stand as it is and they have to respect that.

Death to drug pushers!

M65
10-21-2004, 02:00 PM
He was convicted and sentenced to death in a Court of Law. Enuf said.

mr.x
10-22-2004, 03:06 AM
Yep, there were probably more Americans that said "give the the little bastard the cane" than there were those who were wringing their hands.

When in Rome...don't piss off the Romans!


Do they still have the urine detectors in elevators?

Kilgor
10-22-2004, 06:20 AM
he knew the risks, he did the crime, he got caught. Just because hes a Australian shouldnt make him any different.

BarkingSquirrel
10-22-2004, 06:26 AM
While I think it is a tad excessive, I do agree that it's their country and their laws.