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Seraphim
09-17-2003, 12:40 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030917/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_030903160873


By TAREK AL-ISSAWI, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The commander of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq (news - web sites) said in an interview published Wednesday that U.S. forces, already under pressure from a guerrilla-style resistance, now face revenge attacks from ordinary Iraqis angered by the occupation.



North of Baghdad, there were at least three separate attacks on U.S. forces with roadside bombs in less than 1 1/2 hours Wednesday morning. Witnesses reported injured soldiers, but details were unclear. The attacks hit U.S. Humvees about 12 miles north of Baghdad near al-Taji.


While U.S. forces increasingly patrol Iraqi hotspots with American-trained local militiamen, citizens voice growing anger with tactics that are seen as heavy-handed and insensitive to Iraqi social and religious customs.


"We have seen that when we have an incident in the conduct of our operations, when we killed an innocent civilian, based on their ethic, their values, their culture, they would seek revenge," Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez was quoted as telling The Times newspaper in London.


Coalition forces were seeking "to ensure that when a mistake has been made and when we have inadvertently wound up killing someone that we go and do the right thing culturally to take care of those families." The Times' report did not elaborate on those steps.


Sanchez's remarks came after the friendly fire killing late last week of eight Iraqi policemen by American soldiers near Fallujah, 30 miles west of Baghdad. The military and the U.S. administrator for Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, have apologized.


Six people claiming to be Americans and two who say they are British are in U.S. custody on suspicion of involvement in attacks on coalition forces, an American general said Tuesday. They would be the first Westerners reported held in the insurrection against the U.S.-led occupation.


Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who is in charge of coalition detention centers in Iraq, said they were considered security detainees, meaning they were suspected of involvement in guerrilla attacks. She did not identify them but said they were being interrogated by military intelligence in Baghdad.


"We actually do have six who are claiming to be Americans, two who are claiming to be from the U.K. We're continuing the interviewing process. The details become sketchy and their story changes," Karpinski said Tuesday.


She said there were "several ... hundred third-country nationals in custody."


She declined to give more details on those being held.


"We're not trying to withhold information from you. Some information remains classified for security reasons," Karpinski said during a tour of Abu Ghraib prison, where Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) once locked up his political opponents.


Asked about the detainees at a Pentagon (news - web sites) news conference, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said: "The truth is that the folks that we've scooped up have, on a number of occasions, multiple identifications from different countries. They're quite skilled at confusing people as to what their real nationality is or where they came from or what they're doing."


The British government said it was investigating the claims.


"We are urgently following up the reports," a Foreign Office spokeswoman said on condition of anonymity. She would not confirm whether the United States had informed British officials of the arrests.


If Westerners are actively involved in the resistance, it would deepen confusion about what groups are involved. Initially, the guerrilla fighters were thought to be Saddam loyalists, but in recent weeks U.S. officials have said they are being joined by foreign fighters, possibly al-Qaida members.


The revelation recalls the capture of John Walker Lindh in Afghanistan (news - web sites), where the American fought alongside Taliban and al-Qaida fighters following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.





Lindh was sentenced last year to 20 years in prison after pleading guilty to supplying services to the Taliban militia, which ruled Afghanistan and was ousted by a U.S.-led coalition.

In December 2001, British citizen Richard Reid, a member of al-Qaida, was arrested after trying to light explosives hidden in his shoes on a Paris-to-Miami flight. Reid pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in prison.

American troops in Afghanistan also captured Yaser Esam Hamdi, who was flown to the U.S. Navy (news - web sites) base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and held there for several months until it was discovered he was born in Baton Rouge, La. He was held in the naval brig in Norfolk, Va., then transferred in late July to a jail at the Charleston Naval Weapons Station in South Carolina.

At least nine Britons are being detained in Guantanamo, where some 660 men from 42 countries are being held on suspicion of links to the Taliban or al-Qaida. None of the men has been charged and some have been held for nearly two years without access to lawyers.

Lt. Col. Pamela Hart, a spokeswoman for the mission in Guantanamo, said Tuesday that none of the detainees being held there were captured in Iraq.

Argyll
09-17-2003, 02:49 PM
Surely not?................................how uncivil of them.!
This cannot be true are the iraqis who just want their land ,culture and heritage,back starting to turn into "Saddam Loyalists" or " Al Quida" types?
Like I said a few months ago its gonna get ugly.............I was slaughtered and branded anti US and all sorts............isn't it strange how a few of the things I mentioned after the major combat was decalred over,are now starting to happen?

Trident-za
09-17-2003, 03:19 PM
I don't find it strange at all, Argyll :(

I agreed with you at the time, and still do, unfortunately. This situation is going to get more messy before it comes right, if ever. Not because I'm anti-Us (I'm not!), or because its what I want.... I just don't see how it can go any other way.....

James
09-17-2003, 07:19 PM
I have a brother in law in Iraq right now, and a cousin who is going over for a year in the next month or so... :| Cross your fingers for them.

GazB
09-17-2003, 10:44 PM
"I have a brother in law in Iraq right now, and a cousin who is going over for a year in the next month or so... Cross your fingers for them."

Mine are crossed.

Shame US, and British and other soldiers have to die because of politicians.

They are admitting now that Saddam had no ties to Al Qada, so basically they only went in for what they thought were WMDs. Now with Saddams track record, you'd think if he was the biggest threat to the region that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwaite, and the other countries there would be the "Coalition" demanding an invasion and regime change. IF his closest neighbours weren't afraid, why the heck was the largest, most powerful military force on the planet?

James
09-17-2003, 10:49 PM
They are admitting now that Saddam had no ties to Al Qada, so basically they only went in for what they thought were WMDs. Now with Saddams track record, you'd think if he was the biggest threat to the region that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwaite, and the other countries there would be the "Coalition" demanding an invasion and regime change. IF his closest neighbours weren't afraid, why the heck was the largest, most powerful military force on the planet?

That is a very, very good question.

cut
09-17-2003, 10:54 PM
They are admitting now that Saddam had no ties to Al Qada, so basically they only went in for what they thought were WMDs. Now with Saddams track record, you'd think if he was the biggest threat to the region that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwaite, and the other countries there would be the "Coalition" demanding an invasion and regime change. IF his closest neighbours weren't afraid, why the heck was the largest, most powerful military force on the planet?

I think the threat would more likely be against israel if anyone
and they supported it, or didnt they?

Seiyuuki
09-17-2003, 11:34 PM
Shame US, and British and other soldiers have to die because of politicians.

I believe most soldiers since a long long long time back die because of decisions made by politicians, may it be good or bad.


They are admitting now that Saddam had no ties to Al Qada, so basically they only went in for what they thought were WMDs. Now with Saddams track record, you'd think if he was the biggest threat to the region that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwaite, and the other countries there would be the "Coalition" demanding an invasion and regime change. IF his closest neighbours weren't afraid, why the heck was the largest, most powerful military force on the planet?

Kuwait, his closest neighbours certainly weren't afraid. The Kurds were an irritants to the Turks and the Turks are certainly greatful for Saddam's treatment of the Kurds in North of Iraq. Saudi Arabia consider Iraq as a necessary evil or pestilent for it is the only buffer between the fundamentalists in Iran from Mecca.

Ichhabe
09-18-2003, 03:51 AM
Seiyuuki said:

Saudi Arabia consider Iraq as a necessary evil or pestilent for it is the only buffer between the fundamentalists in Iran and Mecca.

Eeeh? How could Iraq be a buffer between the fundamentalists in Mecca and Saudi Arabia?

Seiyuuki
09-18-2003, 04:21 AM
Oops...I see the mistake in my wordings.

There's two divisions within Islam (Shi'ite and Sunni, fundamentalism and secularism). Iran is prominently one of those division, the fundamentalist (or some other euphamism). Saudi Arabia and Iraq is, I think (perhaps for lack of better word), seccularize. Mecca is the holiest city of Islam and Iran would love to have control of it (then again, so would any country in the Middle East). Iraq, being seccularize under Saddam, have no love for the fundamentalist Iranian and that's obvious by the fact they fought a major war against each other. So, as long as a secular Iraq is there, it remain a buffer to the fundamentalist from Iran.

Ugh...I hope that explanation make sense.

Argyll
09-19-2003, 06:42 AM
Trident ZA,
I was being sarcastic mate,this has been on the cards since day one!!
My home pc is gone ti*s up on me .so this id the 1st chance to reply!!

This whole episode is slowly unravelling to be a complete sham,with it all pointing to GWB wanting to be better than Pop!!,and finish the job!.
Not a single objective has been complete yet.
1.The Iraqia are not free,they are still being "occupied"
2.Saddam is still at large
3.The war has not been won!!

Maciek
09-19-2003, 06:54 AM
How about attacking Syria to draw people attention from Iraq? :D

Saranof
09-19-2003, 08:29 AM
"I have a brother in law in Iraq right now, and a cousin who is going over for a year in the next month or so... Cross your fingers for them."

Mine are crossed.

Shame US, and British and other soldiers have to die because of politicians.

They are admitting now that Saddam had no ties to Al Qada, so basically they only went in for what they thought were WMDs. Now with Saddams track record, you'd think if he was the biggest threat to the region that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwaite, and the other countries there would be the "Coalition" demanding an invasion and regime change. IF his closest neighbours weren't afraid, why the heck was the largest, most powerful military force on the planet?


The other reason was that he was a vile dictator.
Well, he was!
But if the war now was about getting rid of dictators, why arn't bombs raining over the most opressive regime in the regon, Saudi Arabia?

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09-19-2003, 11:19 AM
Seiyuuki wrote:

"Saudi Arabia and Iraq is, I think (perhaps for lack of better word), seccularize."

Saudi Arabia is consider the most radical fundamentalist Islamic state in the world. There is nothing at all secular about Wahhabism. PBS has a good summary page here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

Just a couple of quotes from that page:

""The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia."

"[question] : So the state religion in Saudi Arabia is this pure, stricter form of Islam?

[answer] : Yes. ..."

cheers

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