What John Kerry did was not hunting - it was killing

[Geezah]

by Larry S. Moore

Of all the flip-flops Kerry has done, this was certainly one big FLOP!

The real problem is that John Kerry is still an elitist with his hunting.

Most of us struggle somewhat to get quality private habitat to hunt. It takes sometimes years to have a relationship with a land owner for hunting access. Because of his status as a Senator and Presidential pretender he comes into a state where he knows very few people and probably no hunters or rural landowners prior to the campaign and get premium land to hunt.

John Kerry did no homework for his hunting trip - no landowner contacts - no scouting trips - no dog training. He probably did not even buy his own camo jacket. He probably could not recite the laws governing his hunt - which means he has not read his Ohio Hunting Guide or the federal migratory bird rules.

John Kerry is portraying the exact problems with hunting that Humane Society of the Unites States and PETA protest. He is a poster boy for their objections that hunters just walk out into the fields and shoot things.

What John Kerry did is not hunting - it was killing. John Kerry did not develop landowner relations. Where were the photos of Kerry thanking the family for permitting him the opportunity to hunt on their land? Where were the photos of John Kerry asking the farmer if he needs help with any chores or offering to share some of the rewards of the hunt? Then he says he is too lazy to carry his own game!

As a hunter, I have great respect and honor for the game I take as a reward of the hunt. To me part of that is taking care of what I have killed. That means carrying out my game, it means properly cleaning and preserving (freezing) the meat for later dining pleasure. Beyond hunting there is always reverence for the game - otherwise you don't hunt with me. There is always a special place for the dogs (in my case beagles) as my hunting partners.

John Kerry was out of sight of the photographers and kept that way until he returned. Did he shoot his geese? To me it is unethical for someone else to shoot part of your bag limit. Depending on circumstances, it could be illegal. Did John Kerry display the respect for the land by picking up his empty shotgun shells?

John Kerry is making every photo opportunity to convenience us that he is one of the regular guys and loves to hunt. John Kerry is missing his mark with true sportsmen and women of Ohio who understand that hunting is about a lot more than waltzing into a state and killing a couple of animals in sacrifice for your political ambitions.

For me hunting is about family and friends. I hunt with my children. I am a volunteer Ohio Hunter Education instructor. I have worked hard to teach proper respect and ethics for our young people as they go out and being hunting. My daughter is featured on the front cover of the Ohio Hunter Education Manual. I have a photo when I was bout 7 years old with my cousin and his beagle. He taught me about beagles and passed down a family tradition. We gather around a table of venison, rabbit or pheasant and praise God for the bounties of this land and the opportunities we have to share our hunting experiences as family. That is what true sportsmen understand.

Far from showing he is a regular guy, Kerry is showing Ohioans he just does not understand these things. His trips afield for photo opportunities are as staged and fake as when he threw someone else's medals away! John Kerry is not connecting with true sportsmen.

Larry Moore is the Ohioans For Concealed Carry Senate District 10 Coordinator, and a frequently-published outdoors writer in Ohio.


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[Trigger]

Where the f*** was PETA when John boy was doing his re-enactment of a North Vietnamese AA battery on their fine feathered friends? :bash:

[BarkingSquirrel]

He probably did not even buy his own camo jacket.Nope, borrowed it from the farmer who's land he was hunting on.

[HooyahCQB]

Good article. I actually didn't know a lot of that ethical stuff about hunting, either.

[Phil642]

Hunting is not killing???

;)

[Geezah]

Hunting is not killing???

;)

I guess the article went well over your head rofl

[Phil642]

Hunting is not killing???

;)

I guess the article went well over your head rofl

I spoke about the title of this topic ... ;)

[Hot Lips]

I would rather read an article with facts about what Kerry did and didn't do. Not a bunch of speculation. "Probably" this "probably" that. In the end the author really says nothing substantial about Kerry at all other than he didn't carry his own game out. Not really a vote swaying observation.

Cheney knocked Kerry for buying a new jacket for the hunt. Kerry didn't have one packed with him and he has more than enough money to afford a new one so he bought one. So what.

I still don't see why the gun issue is such a big topic since both candidates support the AWB that seems to be worrying folks. I guess we are just supposed to forget that Bush said he supports the AWB? I realize that gun issues are near and dear to some of your hearts, but the issue seems like a moot point if both candidates are for banning assualt weapons and both say they won't mess with the 2nd Amendment.

Is Bush a hunter? I've never heard anything about him personally owning or using guns.

[Geezah]

I would rather read an article with facts about what Kerry did and didn't do. Not a bunch of speculation. "Probably" this "probably" that. In the end the author really says nothing substantial about Kerry at all other than he didn't carry his own game out. Not really a vote swaying observation.

Cheney knocked Kerry for buying a new jacket for the hunt. Kerry didn't have one packed with him and he has more than enough money to afford a new one so he bought one. So what.

I still don't see why the gun issue is such a big topic since both candidates support the AWB that seems to be worrying folks. I guess we are just supposed to forget that Bush said he supports the AWB? I realize that gun issues are near and dear to some of your hearts, but the issue seems like a moot point if both candidates are for banning assualt weapons and both say they won't mess with the 2nd Amendment.

I know you like to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt but he bought the hunting licence at the weekend, it wasn't as though he just suddently turned up and oops I need a jacket :cantbeli:
If Kerry is this big hunter why doesn't he belong to any hunting clubs, I know there's a big one in DC that allot of the Senator's belong to?

Aren't you somewhat surpised that with only 2wks left, Kerry's trying awful hard to convince the nation he's a hunter :| he decided to go hunting instead of being out campaigning?

Bush said he would sign the AWB if it reached his desk, it won't reach his desk so he won't have to sign it, I don't know why you're trying to make the two even on guns issues, Kerry has voted over 50 times against gun owners rights, Bush signed into law CCW in Texas and also signed off on the nationwide CCW for the Police which according to the FOP Kerry was absent for(surprise surprise) when it came to the vote, but wait Kerry's the LEO friend fighting for their rights :cantbeli:
Kerry's actions speak louder than words and his voting record tells any avid fireamr owner that he's not the slightest way interested in leaving the 2nd Am as is.




Is Bush a hunter? I've never heard anything about him personally owning or using guns.

As far as Bush goes he hunts but he doesn't have to convince anyone of that, he doesn't have to keep on telling people he's a hunter, I'm amazed as intelligent as you are you can't see through Kerry's facade?

I think you may have missed this, FOP: Police Call on Kerry to Stop Misrepresenting Their Support (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27855&highlight=) somewhat of an eye opener when you have the biggest Police organization endorsing Bush and asking Kerry to stop saying he has their support?

[cut]

everything is a facade when it comes to politics it's all photo-ops, soundbites and slogans. Saying this applies to Kerry and not Bush is rediculous.

[Hot Lips]

The issue of the coat is just petty. On one hand you dismiss him for taking a break to hunt during a campaign, but then turn around and think a coat should be at the forefront of his thoughts (most busy exec's leave details to others). I just checked and GWB has put photos of himself hunting on his website. How sinister and manipulative of him to do that!

When you say that Bush says he'll sign the AWB only because he knows it won't reach his desk you are saying that he's deceitful. I believe he would sign the AWB. I believe Kerry would sign the AWB. Moot issue.

CCW now that's interesting. Why not post something more about that instead of posting an article that just speculates without cause about whether or not Kerry picked up shotgun shells or nit picks about carrying his own game or forgetting to bring a coat. The author whining about Kerry getting to hunt on premium grounds is just sour grapes. It takes away from the greater issue and makes the author just seem petty and desperate.

[Virus]

politics....mans worst invention :p a-bombs aint got **** on it :O

[Geezah]

The issue of the coat is just petty. On one hand you dismiss him for taking a break to hunt during a campaign, but then turn around and think a coat should be at the forefront of his thoughts (most busy exec's leave details to others). I just checked and GWB has put photos of himself hunting on his website. How sinister and manipulative of him to do that!

When you say that Bush says he'll sign the AWB only because he knows it won't reach his desk you are saying that he's deceitful. I believe he would sign the AWB. I believe Kerry would sign the AWB. Moot issue.

Ok, I know you get it but still you want to play even stevens, the NRA have endorsed Bush, the NRA is the oldest civil rights and sportsmen`s group, with 4 million members, why do you think they have endorsed Bush over the oh so flamboyant hunter Kerry? Why did they choose to endorse someone that hasn't once pushed the fact hat he hunts?
The only reason Kerry has pushed this Hunter image is because Gore lost his own State in 2000 because of how anti-firearm he is, so the DNC had to change their strategy, in comes Kerry the hunter!
Now before you reply, please click on Google and do a little research :|




CCW now that's interesting. Why not post something more about that instead of posting an article that just speculates without cause about whether or not Kerry picked up shotgun shells or nit picks about carrying his own game or forgetting to bring a coat. The author whining about Kerry getting to hunt on premium grounds is just sour grapes. It takes away from the greater issue and makes the author just seem petty and desperate.

MY Aunt owns 100acres of land in Richmond, In which backs onto my Grandfather's(RIP) 10acres, they would have people all the ime asking during hunting season if they could hunt deer in the woods, this to me seems to be the norm. There is a different mentality withnin the hunting community than city slickers, so please don't try and tell me it's sour grapes :cantbeli:

On the issue of the LEO national CCW, Bush signed it into law and Kerry wasn't even there to vote on it, this is Kerry the friend of LEOs, if he's such a friend where was he?

Please click on the link provided above to learn more, in regards the FOP supporting Bush(who has been there for LEOs) with it's 318,000 members ;)

[Hot Lips]

The author said nothing profound, IMO.

Kerry got to hunt on premium land. http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/sad/mecry.gif

Kerry forgot his coat and bought a new one. http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/sad/mecry.gif

Kerry didn't train the dogs himself. http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/sad/mecry.gif

Somebody else carried his game out. http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/sad/mecry.gif

The rest is a bunch of insinuation based on nothing. Did this man find shotgun shells that Kerry failed to pick up? No. Does this man know whether or not Kerry is familiar with Ohio hunting laws? No. I see no reason why John Kerry shouldn't get to enjoy hunting, did he do anything illegal or against the constitution? No. If he didn't hunt at all they'd piss and moan about that too. It's a no win situation for him so he might as well do it anyway if it's what he likes.

It's one thing to talk about gun issues - which this guy didn't really do. It's another thing to just whine about nothing and make petty observations and try to make it sound like something.

http://www.georgewbush.com//images/gallery/sportsmen/bushsport2L.JPG
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Did he buy those new looking duds himself? I hope Laura or an aid didn't pick them up for him or anything. Its important to the author.
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2004/04/08/image610805x.jpg
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What about this get up... did he buy those himself? Did he hit the Dove? Did he carry it out himself? Did he properly clean it and dine on it? That's important to the author. I hope that's family he's hunting with cause that's important to the author too. (ps I know he says he hunts with his father)

http://www.georgewbush.com//images/gallery/sportsmen/bushsport3L.JPG
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Did he even hit anything? I read an article about him baggin quail, but the photographers didn't show it probably never happened.

http://www.georgewbush.com//images/gallery/sportsmen/bushsport1L.JPG
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Did he even fire the gun? Or did he just pose for a picture with a pretty weapon? We didn't see it, so maybe it didn't happen.

I found this article (http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040102-120042-5061r.htm), but alas there are no photos of him actually hunting only talking about hunting and killing quail and then eating beef. With luck he properly carried, cleaned, and preserved the game to consume at a later time and did so wearing clothes that he personally picked out. That's important to the author.


Honestly, I don't care about the answer to those questions. They are questions the author posed and like his article are petty and unsubstantial.

[Phil642]

Want a real hunter for president?
VOTE ELMER FUDD

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[Hot Lips]

Want a real hunter for president?

http://www.gorasini.hr/e-razglednice/albums/userpics/04710.jpg

:P Hark I hear his campaign battle cry... "I'm a wabbit swayer, a guitar pwayer, with a nasty habit... KILL DA WABBIT!" (http://www.lyricallegend.co.uk/songs.php?artist=ozzie+fudd&title=rabbit+slayer+(kill+the+wabbit))

[Geezah]

In the latest copy of America's First Freedom, there's an interview with George W while out hunting, not too long ago **** Cheney was presented with a rifle at one of the NRA dinners, but where is Kerry the Great White Hunter, he hunts so much and should recieve the same amount of airtime?
His voting record shows he has no interest in gun owner rights but at the end of the day Kerry is a Hunter, but wait what was it Kerry said about the NRA
"I don`t want to be the candidate of the NRA, I don`t want our party to be the party of the NRA." what's this, Kerry the Great White Hunter that believes so strongly in our 2nd Amm, why would HE not want to have anything to do with the NRA and it's 4 million members and the same NRA that continues its mission to uphold Second Amendment rights and advocates enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime.
Why is it that Kerry the Great White Hunter wants nothing to do with the NRA :cantbeli:

It seems that the outing with the press pool for a hunting photo-op suckered you in(I'm really surprised) but there are the hard-core hunters and firearm owners that know better ;)


WASHINGTON, Oct. 14 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Today Chuck Canterbury, the President of the nation's largest police labor organization, called on John Kerry to stop making misleading statements regarding his support from the law enforcement community. Both on the campaign trail and in Wednesday night's debate in Tempe, AZ, Senator Kerry has alluded that he has the support of the majority of these brave men and women.

"As the elected leader of the largest organization representing America's Federal, State and local law enforcement officers, I believe it's important to point out yet again that we do not support his candidacy for President," Canterbury said. "And to be perfectly frank, the groups which do support him actually share the same membership rolls and, taken together, probably comprise less than one-quarter of our nation's police officers."

Canterbury further noted that unlike the organizations which Senator Kerry touts, F.O.P. members as a whole decided that the Fraternal Order of Police would endorse the reelection of President George W. Bush. They based their decision, he said, on the record of the Bush Administration in supporting America's first responders-including helping to secure passage earlier this year of H.R. 218, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, the organization's top legislative priority. Bush also successfully fought to greatly enhance the benefits for the families of officers killed in the line of duty.

"While Kerry was flying around the country campaigning and leaving the actual work of the nation to his colleagues in the Senate, the President was out there working on our behalf," Canterbury said. "Senators Kerry and Edwards have missed so many crucial votes this Congress that I was beginning to believe there were only 98 members of the U.S. Senate."

Canterbury also said it was the height of irony that Kerry would use his position on the reauthorization of the assault weapons ban as a reflection of his support from police.

"First, if a police officer is killed by an AK-47, Kerry would oppose the death penalty for the killer," Canterbury said. "In addition, where was he when this issue was being discussed in the 108th Congress? Where was he when we were working to pass H.R. 218? When it came time to help push for final passage of legislation important to law enforcement, Senator Kerry was regrettably A.W.O.L."

"Given the facts, I would greatly appreciate it if Senator Kerry would refrain from making similar whimsical assertions regarding his support from the law enforcement community," Canterbury said. "The real majority of my fellow officers are standing behind President Bush, because he has been there for us."

The Fraternal Order of Police is the nation's largest law enforcement labor organization, with more than 318,000 members.

[Hot Lips]

The original article is no less petty nor more significant.




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GW did and interview while hunting - where was Kerry? I don't know. Are they supposed to hunt on the same day? This wasn't the first time Kerry was out hunting/shooting.

Cheney received a rifle - where was Kerry? I recall he was presented with a rifle at some point as well. Whoopi-do!

On one hand you mock him for hunting, but when he isn't out hunting you think he should be?

If Bush is such an NRA supporter why did he attempt to distance himself from the NRA in 2000 and repeat ”I’ve never been a member of the NRA."?

As for Kerry not wanting to be the candidate of the NRA. If it's OK for Bush, it's OK for Kerry. Either can uphold the 2nd Amendment as both have said they would without being a front man for the NRA.

The other thing I don't understand.... what does concealled carry have to do with hunting? The author of the article is from Ohioans for Concealled Carry but his whiney article is about jackets, training dogs, hunting on premium land, etc. Who is he concealing the gun from .... the dove? the quail?

If concealled carry was the issue why not talk about that. Maybe you should write for them instead, Geezah!