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memphiz
10-22-2004, 01:18 PM
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YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio John Kerry went hunting here, armed with a Mossberg 12-gauge pump-action shotgun. Four geese were shot during the early-morning hunt, but the Democratic candidate was not carrying any of the birds as he emerged from a cornfield. This exchange with journalists ensued:
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"Did you shoot any geese, senator?" "Thumbs up." "You get any?" "Everybody got one. Everybody got one." "Why aren't you carrying yours?" "Too lazy." "Heavy?" "No. Still giddy over the Red Sox. It was hard to focus."
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The conversation bears some scrutiny. Kerry went hunting because in critical swing states, including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota, shooting birds and deer is a big deal. He doesn't want to repeat the mistake of Al Gore, whose vehement anti-gun positions during the 2000 campaign cost him votes in a country where tens of millions of people hunt and more than 40 percent of adults live in households with guns.
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On the other hand, Kerry has a consistent record of voting for tighter gun controls in the Senate; he doesn't want to alienate tree-huggers, animal lovers or deer-doting soccer moms who like that record.
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.
Hence the hedging on the hunt: no very dead goose in his hand for photographers, no very direct statement that he shot such goose, no hymn to the joys of goose hunting, and a not-so-subtle attempt to shift attention from limp birds to a lovely ballgame in which the Massachusetts senator's long-jinxed Boston Red Sox beat the New York Yankees to qualify for the World Series.
.
This American election is so close, and Kerry's inclination to look at both sides of questions so ****ounced, that such balancing acts are not uncommon. In a country still shaken by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and convinced it is at war, Kerry has had to find a way to question that war, at least as fought in Iraq, without angering the military, appearing soft, betraying lily-livered liberalism or looking unpatriotic.
.
.
He has had to speak of restoring shattered alliances without appearing to be in the pocket of the French or the United Nations.
.
.
He has had to promise to roll back tax cuts (for the wealthy) without lending credence to the tax-and-spend charges from the Republicans. He has had to seek ways to extend coverage to the 45 million Americans - that's a bigger population than Spain - who have no health insurance, without reinforcing the Republican-raised specter of a government takeover of health care.
.
All of this, for a reserved New Englander, a man of great affluence seeking to appear close to ordinary folk, has amounted to an intricate political maneuver. The relentless attacks of George W. Bush, bent on conjuring a preposterous picture of a Democrat too weak and wavering to defend America in its hour of need, have not made things any easier.
.
.
So Kerry tends to be careful. He shoots geese but does not carry dead geese in front of cameras.
.
.
Such nuance is precisely what a lot of Americans are looking for after the fixed certainties of Bush. "I want somebody who reads and reflects in the White House, not someone who just goes with his gut and then prays to God he's right," said Penny McConnell, a schoolteacher attending a Kerry rally in Pittsburgh. Then, gazing at Kerry, she added: "Tell me he doesn't look like a grown-up!"
.
.
Kerry certainly behaves like one. In these final days of the campaign, he appears vigorous, cogent, determined. He has worked his way at last to a clear position on Iraq: the wrong war, based on false arguments, a diversion from the real battle against terrorism, needlessly costly because of the sacrifice of allied support, and a conflict demanding new leadership if America is to extricate itself with honor.
.
"Do you want to put common sense back in the White House?" Kerry yells at a crowd of at least 20,000 in Minneapolis. "Yes!" comes the booming reply. Do you want a president who can deal with more than one issue at a time and stops "banging away trying to scare you?" Yes, these Minnesotans do.
.
But common sense is not for everyone. It can be plodding. It can look like vacillation. It can seem like a hard slog through tough issues.
.
"Kerry is all gloom and doom," said Gary Etzel, a jeweler at a Bush rally in Iowa. "He tells me to look at his plans on the Internet. Come on! Bush stands for what he stands for and I trust him. Kerry may be a better debater, but weÂ’re not electing a debater."
.
.
Two Americas of about equal strength now stare each other in the face, each convinced it's critical that its truth prevails on Nov. 2. Kerry's world has faith in reason, believes questions may sometimes be as important as answers, mistrusts conviction so absolute it can never be questioned, distinguishes between power and leadership, and rocks to Bruce Springsteen.
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Bush's world has faith in faith, believes questioning empowers enemies, equates conviction with the strength that will spread freedom, is convinced there is no leadership without the pro jection of American power, and grooves to country music. In this world, real men carry their dead geese with pride.
.
**** Cheney, the vice president, was scathing about Kerry's hunting. He suggested the senator had bought his camouflage jacket especially for the occasion - in fact, it was borrowed - and said the whole thing amounted to an "October disguise."
.
.
Speaking of October, Kerry has taken to referring to the Red Sox victory as "the October surprise." A bigger one could be in store if rain delays play in the World Series for a couple of days. Game Seven, should the series go that long, would then be held on Election Day. If the Red Sox triumph for the first time since 1918, The Boston Globe would face a terrible dilemma as to how to lead the paper.
.
.
The Kerry campaign's hope is that the Page One headline would read: "Red Sox Triumph - Kerry, too." E-mail: rcohen@iht.com
.
YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio John Kerry went hunting here, armed with a Mossberg 12-gauge pump-action shotgun. Four geese were shot during the early-morning hunt, but the Democratic candidate was not carrying any of the birds as he emerged from a cornfield. This exchange with journalists ensued:
.
"Did you shoot any geese, senator?" "Thumbs up." "You get any?" "Everybody got one. Everybody got one." "Why aren't you carrying yours?" "Too lazy." "Heavy?" "No. Still giddy over the Red Sox. It was hard to focus."
.
.
The conversation bears some scrutiny. Kerry went hunting because in critical swing states, including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota, shooting birds and deer is a big deal. He doesn't want to repeat the mistake of Al Gore, whose vehement anti-gun positions during the 2000 campaign cost him votes in a country where tens of millions of people hunt and more than 40 percent of adults live in households with guns.
.
.
On the other hand, Kerry has a consistent record of voting for tighter gun controls in the Senate; he doesn't want to alienate tree-huggers, animal lovers or deer-doting soccer moms who like that record.
.
.
Hence the hedging on the hunt: no very dead goose in his hand for photographers, no very direct statement that he shot such goose, no hymn to the joys of goose hunting, and a not-so-subtle attempt to shift attention from limp birds to a lovely ballgame in which the Massachusetts senator's long-jinxed Boston Red Sox beat the New York Yankees to qualify for the World Series.
.
This American election is so close, and Kerry's inclination to look at both sides of questions so ****ounced, that such balancing acts are not uncommon. In a country still shaken by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and convinced it is at war, Kerry has had to find a way to question that war, at least as fought in Iraq, without angering the military, appearing soft, betraying lily-livered liberalism or looking unpatriotic.
.
.
He has had to speak of restoring shattered alliances without appearing to be in the pocket of the French or the United Nations.
.
.
He has had to promise to roll back tax cuts (for the wealthy) without lending credence to the tax-and-spend charges from the Republicans. He has had to seek ways to extend coverage to the 45 million Americans - that's a bigger population than Spain - who have no health insurance, without reinforcing the Republican-raised specter of a government takeover of health care.
.
All of this, for a reserved New Englander, a man of great affluence seeking to appear close to ordinary folk, has amounted to an intricate political maneuver. The relentless attacks of George W. Bush, bent on conjuring a preposterous picture of a Democrat too weak and wavering to defend America in its hour of need, have not made things any easier.
.
.
So Kerry tends to be careful. He shoots geese but does not carry dead geese in front of cameras.
.
.
Such nuance is precisely what a lot of Americans are looking for after the fixed certainties of Bush. "I want somebody who reads and reflects in the White House, not someone who just goes with his gut and then prays to God he's right," said Penny McConnell, a schoolteacher attending a Kerry rally in Pittsburgh. Then, gazing at Kerry, she added: "Tell me he doesn't look like a grown-up!"
.
.
Kerry certainly behaves like one. In these final days of the campaign, he appears vigorous, cogent, determined. He has worked his way at last to a clear position on Iraq: the wrong war, based on false arguments, a diversion from the real battle against terrorism, needlessly costly because of the sacrifice of allied support, and a conflict demanding new leadership if America is to extricate itself with honor.
.
"Do you want to put common sense back in the White House?" Kerry yells at a crowd of at least 20,000 in Minneapolis. "Yes!" comes the booming reply. Do you want a president who can deal with more than one issue at a time and stops "banging away trying to scare you?" Yes, these Minnesotans do.
.
But common sense is not for everyone. It can be plodding. It can look like vacillation. It can seem like a hard slog through tough issues.
.
"Kerry is all gloom and doom," said Gary Etzel, a jeweler at a Bush rally in Iowa. "He tells me to look at his plans on the Internet. Come on! Bush stands for what he stands for and I trust him. Kerry may be a better debater, but weÂ’re not electing a debater."
.
.
Two Americas of about equal strength now stare each other in the face, each convinced it's critical that its truth prevails on Nov. 2. Kerry's world has faith in reason, believes questions may sometimes be as important as answers, mistrusts conviction so absolute it can never be questioned, distinguishes between power and leadership, and rocks to Bruce Springsteen.
.
Bush's world has faith in faith, believes questioning empowers enemies, equates conviction with the strength that will spread freedom, is convinced there is no leadership without the pro jection of American power, and grooves to country music. In this world, real men carry their dead geese with pride.
.
**** Cheney, the vice president, was scathing about Kerry's hunting. He suggested the senator had bought his camouflage jacket especially for the occasion - in fact, it was borrowed - and said the whole thing amounted to an "October disguise."
.
.
Speaking of October, Kerry has taken to referring to the Red Sox victory as "the October surprise." A bigger one could be in store if rain delays play in the World Series for a couple of days. Game Seven, should the series go that long, would then be held on Election Day. If the Red Sox triumph for the first time since 1918, The Boston Globe would face a terrible dilemma as to how to lead the paper.
.
.
The Kerry campaign's hope is that the Page One headline would read: "Red Sox Triumph - Kerry, too." E-mail: rcohen@iht.com
.
YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio John Kerry went hunting here, armed with a Mossberg 12-gauge pump-action shotgun. Four geese were shot during the early-morning hunt, but the Democratic candidate was not carrying any of the birds as he emerged from a cornfield. This exchange with journalists ensued:
.
"Did you shoot any geese, senator?" "Thumbs up." "You get any?" "Everybody got one. Everybody got one." "Why aren't you carrying yours?" "Too lazy." "Heavy?" "No. Still giddy over the Red Sox. It was hard to focus."
.
.
The conversation bears some scrutiny. Kerry went hunting because in critical swing states, including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota, shooting birds and deer is a big deal. He doesn't want to repeat the mistake of Al Gore, whose vehement anti-gun positions during the 2000 campaign cost him votes in a country where tens of millions of people hunt and more than 40 percent of adults live in households with guns.
.
.
On the other hand, Kerry has a consistent record of voting for tighter gun controls in the Senate; he doesn't want to alienate tree-huggers, animal lovers or deer-doting soccer moms who like that record.
.
.
Hence the hedging on the hunt: no very dead goose in his hand for photographers, no very direct statement that he shot such goose, no hymn to the joys of goose hunting, and a not-so-subtle attempt to shift attention from limp birds to a lovely ballgame in which the Massachusetts senator's long-jinxed Boston Red Sox beat the New York Yankees to qualify for the World Series.
.
This American election is so close, and Kerry's inclination to look at both sides of questions so ****ounced, that such balancing acts are not uncommon. In a country still shaken by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and convinced it is at war, Kerry has had to find a way to question that war, at least as fought in Iraq, without angering the military, appearing soft, betraying lily-livered liberalism or looking unpatriotic.
.
.
He has had to speak of restoring shattered alliances without appearing to be in the pocket of the French or the United Nations.
.
.
He has had to promise to roll back tax cuts (for the wealthy) without lending credence to the tax-and-spend charges from the Republicans. He has had to seek ways to extend coverage to the 45 million Americans - that's a bigger population than Spain - who have no health insurance, without reinforcing the Republican-raised specter of a government takeover of health care.
.
All of this, for a reserved New Englander, a man of great affluence seeking to appear close to ordinary folk, has amounted to an intricate political maneuver. The relentless attacks of George W. Bush, bent on conjuring a preposterous picture of a Democrat too weak and wavering to defend America in its hour of need, have not made things any easier.
.
.
So Kerry tends to be careful. He shoots geese but does not carry dead geese in front of cameras.
.
.
Such nuance is precisely what a lot of Americans are looking for after the fixed certainties of Bush. "I want somebody who reads and reflects in the White House, not someone who just goes with his gut and then prays to God he's right," said Penny McConnell, a schoolteacher attending a Kerry rally in Pittsburgh. Then, gazing at Kerry, she added: "Tell me he doesn't look like a grown-up!"
.
.
Kerry certainly behaves like one. In these final days of the campaign, he appears vigorous, cogent, determined. He has worked his way at last to a clear position on Iraq: the wrong war, based on false arguments, a diversion from the real battle against terrorism, needlessly costly because of the sacrifice of allied support, and a conflict demanding new leadership if America is to extricate itself with honor.
.
"Do you want to put common sense back in the White House?" Kerry yells at a crowd of at least 20,000 in Minneapolis. "Yes!" comes the booming reply. Do you want a president who can deal with more than one issue at a time and stops "banging away trying to scare you?" Yes, these Minnesotans do.
.
But common sense is not for everyone. It can be plodding. It can look like vacillation. It can seem like a hard slog through tough issues.
.
"Kerry is all gloom and doom," said Gary Etzel, a jeweler at a Bush rally in Iowa. "He tells me to look at his plans on the Internet. Come on! Bush stands for what he stands for and I trust him. Kerry may be a better debater, but weÂ’re not electing a debater."
.
.
Two Americas of about equal strength now stare each other in the face, each convinced it's critical that its truth prevails on Nov. 2. Kerry's world has faith in reason, believes questions may sometimes be as important as answers, mistrusts conviction so absolute it can never be questioned, distinguishes between power and leadership, and rocks to Bruce Springsteen.
.
Bush's world has faith in faith, believes questioning empowers enemies, equates conviction with the strength that will spread freedom, is convinced there is no leadership without the pro jection of American power, and grooves to country music. In this world, real men carry their dead geese with pride.
.
**** Cheney, the vice president, was scathing about Kerry's hunting. He suggested the senator had bought his camouflage jacket especially for the occasion - in fact, it was borrowed - and said the whole thing amounted to an "October disguise."
.
.
Speaking of October, Kerry has taken to referring to the Red Sox victory as "the October surprise." A bigger one could be in store if rain delays play in the World Series for a couple of days. Game Seven, should the series go that long, would then be held on Election Day. If the Red Sox triumph for the first time since 1918, The Boston Globe would face a terrible dilemma as to how to lead the paper.
.
.
The Kerry campaign's hope is that the Page One headline would read: "Red Sox Triumph - Kerry, too." E-mail: rcohen@iht.com
.

[AFSOC]
10-22-2004, 01:52 PM
cool...

Canadian Geese...there bigger then our army...

Saint
10-22-2004, 02:11 PM
No No noooooooooooo
noooooooooooooooooooooo
why!!!!!!
Noooo!!!!!!!!

b.scheller
10-22-2004, 02:20 PM
:-*$

:bash:

Picks on our geese eh...

Phil642
10-22-2004, 02:23 PM
This is the wrong forum for this topic ... ;)

vampireuk
10-22-2004, 02:27 PM
Who remembers that old woodpecker advert with the ducks? :D

Shake n Bake
10-22-2004, 02:46 PM
carrying around dead ducks is bad PR for someone whose being endorsed by every anti-hunter/anti-gun group

GrimmyRX
10-23-2004, 06:39 AM
You know.. that was probably one of the most balanced articles I've EVER seen from any newspaper in the US in a LONG frick'en time, lol. :hug:

Stavka
10-23-2004, 08:11 AM
Could this be interpreted as a declaration of war on canada? :roll:

FozzieBear
10-23-2004, 12:24 PM
that gun doesnt look like a mossberg 500 to me looks like a breach loading double barrel shotgun...

Seiyuuki
10-23-2004, 12:28 PM
Could this be interpreted as a declaration of war on canada? :roll:

All your Canadian geese are belong to us.

EvanL
10-23-2004, 01:07 PM
Its Canada Goose, not Canadian.

Beowulf
10-23-2004, 01:55 PM
Could this be interpreted as a declaration of war on canada? :roll:

All your Canadian geese are belong to us.

:P

Khabbi
10-23-2004, 02:55 PM
OMG , this must mean Kerry hates Canada and wants to invade , am I right bush fans ? :P

Saranof
10-23-2004, 03:09 PM
no, it means that he's too lazy to carry his own geese, and because he hunts lt means he got double standards, because he want's people to be able to have guns too hunt with..or wait..

Nizark
10-23-2004, 05:25 PM
how the hell did this post last this long? An article dealing with the carrying of a duck?

This election is turning into the beer at the bottom of the bottle...its the flattest, most tasteless part, and it is usually just backwash from the beginning..just makes you want to throw out the bottle and get a new one or switch drinks all together.

dez000
10-23-2004, 06:13 PM
My God the horror! He doesn't carry his own goose! What is this world coming too :roll:

Truthsayer
10-23-2004, 07:38 PM
memphiz>> To retarded to notice you posted the same crap 3 times in one post?

And this should be in the humour-section.

Johnnyringo
10-23-2004, 10:08 PM
nah, this should be in the goose hunting forum.

Milkman
10-23-2004, 10:30 PM
He aim is too ****ty to have shot that goose!

I think a Secret Service sniper in the brush got it for him.... :lol:


obvious joke

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
10-23-2004, 10:42 PM
In Canada its illegal to shoot Canadian geese, I imagine if there was over-population (which happens in some areas) or by buying a ****loads of permits and going waiste high threw government red tape you could make it possible.


Shouldve went after a deer instead :P

Howitz
10-24-2004, 12:42 AM
If I was hunting with a presidential candidate I'd probably offer to carry it for him too. This is a retarded thread. Not that im supporting Kerry or anything, but c'mon people.

b.scheller
10-24-2004, 12:49 AM
hmm...i think jean chretien and paul martin (Former and current Prime Minister of Canada) should go to the U.S.A and start hunting for bald eagles... :roll:

memphiz
10-24-2004, 01:38 AM
memphiz>> To retarded to notice you posted the same crap 3 times in one post?

And this should be in the humour-section.
Thanks Douche bag
I site I got it from had some stupid scroll function so I just went "Select all"

Truthsayer
10-24-2004, 04:43 AM
memphiz>> To retarded to notice you posted the same crap 3 times in one post?

And this should be in the humour-section.
Thanks Douche bag
I site I got it from had some stupid scroll function so I just went "Select all"

Yes, and we have proof you have no clue what your are posting then.

Next time, press 'preview'. Or don't post at all. It's an retarded thread with absolutly nothing to do about military forces.

EvanL
10-24-2004, 12:52 PM
In Canada its illegal to shoot Canadian geese, I imagine if there was over-population (which happens in some areas) or by buying a ****loads of permits and going waiste high threw government red tape you could make it possible.


Shouldve went after a deer instead :P
Its not illegal to hunt Canada Geese in Canada.

b.scheller
10-24-2004, 01:08 PM
memphiz>> To retarded to notice you posted the same crap 3 times in one post?

And this should be in the humour-section.
Thanks Douche bag
I site I got it from had some stupid scroll function so I just went "Select all"

Yes, and we have proof you have no clue what your are posting then.

Next time, press 'preview'. Or don't post at all. It's an retarded thread with absolutly nothing to do about military forces.

My name is..J-Joe...Joe Mama...

memphiz
10-24-2004, 02:23 PM
memphiz>> To retarded to notice you posted the same crap 3 times in one post?

And this should be in the humour-section.
Thanks Douche bag
I site I got it from had some stupid scroll function so I just went "Select all"

Yes, and we have proof you have no clue what your are posting then.

Next time, press 'preview'. Or don't post at all. It's an retarded thread with absolutly nothing to do about military forces.
Actually I did read this article in the paper, So I felt no need to preview it or read it over. Everyone else understood it fine.

ANd yes I know it has nothing to do with military forces, ,I simply posted it becouse I know would piss off some dumb ass imbred hick...Like yourself :D

aartamen
10-24-2004, 04:19 PM
As everything with Kerry this goose hunt appears to be a lot more than meets the eye - http://www.radioblogger.com/#000161

The jist of the story - Kerry said that each hunter shot one bird, yet there are obviously not enough geese to go around in all the shots. Some of his defenders said that he shot a goose at 40 feet (was that duel with flintlocks?). Also if you shoot a bird you can't let another man carry it for you b4 you attach a tag. There are no tags in the picture. The mother lied again.

Hot Lips
10-24-2004, 04:22 PM
For all the hunts that I've read Bush has been on the only pictures I can find of him are of him in spiffy new looking duds holding a new looking weapon.... but not holding any of the doves or quails he supposedly kills.... or of anyone else carrying them for that matter. Maybe he doesn't really hunt at all. Maybe he just plays dress up and poses for pictures? I doubt it - but can't anyone else see how this whole outburst over Kerry hunting, what he wore, and why he didn't carry his own goose is just petty and silly.

aartamen
10-24-2004, 04:26 PM
I had no idea Bush hunted. Way to go, Mr. President!

Deuterium
10-24-2004, 05:12 PM
The only thing I find silly is the notion that two weeks before THE election of his lifetime he wants us to believe he is just taking some time off to relax. BALONEY!!!! If this doesn't tell you the true merit of the man then, in my opinion, you are hopeless. This is pandering, pure and simple. The man doesn't give a rats-ass about hunters. He only wants their vote. Mark my word, if he gets elected it will be a dark day for hunters and gun owners.

Root
10-24-2004, 05:19 PM
Who is this "lazy", and why was he selected to carry it?


Anyway, I find it funny that we're debating the morals of Kerry's hunting trip. It wouldn't have been a topic (pandering or not) had not our ****ty media covered it.

Hot Lips
10-24-2004, 07:05 PM
The only thing I find silly is the notion that two weeks before THE election of his lifetime he wants us to believe he is just taking some time off to relax. BALONEY!!!! If this doesn't tell you the true merit of the man then, in my opinion, you are hopeless. This is pandering, pure and simple. The man doesn't give a rats-ass about hunters. He only wants their vote. Mark my word, if he gets elected it will be a dark day for hunters and gun owners.


In the latest copy of America's First Freedom, there's an interview with George W while out hunting,

Hmmm hunting /publishing the interview just prior an election... (exclusive?) interview in an NRA publication. Not pandering?

California Joe
10-24-2004, 07:26 PM
He should have been out at a ***** bar getting a lap dance. Cause everyone knows once you're the Prez that **** ain't allowed anymore.

GrimReaper
10-24-2004, 07:36 PM
He should have been out at a ***** bar getting a lap dance. Cause everyone knows once you're the Prez that **** ain't allowed anymore.
He knows he'll have enough chances to do so considering... p-)

ROY H
10-24-2004, 07:46 PM
Whatever you believe, I do too - KERRY 2004

aartamen
10-24-2004, 10:23 PM
You just keep on waiting.