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seruriermarshal
10-22-2004, 09:09 PM
A French killed in Falluja
A French citizen has been identified among insurgents killed by US forces in Iraq, a French newspaper reports.
The 19-year-old, named as Redouane, is said to have died in a US air raid on Falluja on 17 July, says Le Figaro.
He is the first French national known to have died fighting against the US-led coalition.
Tunisian-born Redouane, who belonged to an Islamic group in France, is thought to have travelled to Iraq from his home in Paris via Syria earlier this year.
His brother Boubakeur, 21, who travelled with him, was arrested by Syrian officials and remains in custody.
Le Figaro says the radical Islamic group frequented by the brothers was investigated earlier this year in the western Paris suburb of Levallois-Perret.
The paper says its sources know of two other French nationals in Falluja and believe around 10 others have travelled to Iraq. Most are thought to be men of Tunisian origin who had been living in Paris.
The city of Falluja, 50 km (31 miles) west of Baghdad, is out of the control of US or Iraqi government forces.
US warplanes have continued to bomb targets in the city, as part of a campaign against the network of wanted militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - blamed for a wave of violence in the so-called Sunni triangle and elsewhere.
France, which opposed the US-led war against Saddam Hussein, has no troops in Iraq.
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From (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3944635.stm)
usa320
10-22-2004, 09:13 PM
Who would have thought?
SocScout
10-22-2004, 09:16 PM
Who would have thought?
Was watching the news earlier while at the gym and it was being denied. I guess by France. :lol:
seruriermarshal
10-22-2004, 09:16 PM
Who would have thought?
What ?
it's the same thing as that american fighting with the taliban.
LaneNem
10-22-2004, 09:22 PM
Interesting how the first french national casualty in country is on the Islamist terrorist side.
Liberte, Egalite, Franternite = BS
Interesting how the first french national casualty in country is on the Islamist terrorist side.
Liberte, Egalite, Franternite = BS
What about those two reporters that were kidnapped? were they killed in the end?
seruriermarshal
10-22-2004, 09:29 PM
Interesting how the first french national casualty in country is on the Islamist terrorist side.
Liberte, Egalite, Franternite = BS
What about those two reporters that were kidnapped? were they killed in the end?
I don't know they killed , no messages about that .
:(
To my knowledge they're still alive despite the terrorists saying they'd be killed unless the French governement withdrew it's law regarding religious sybols in schools.
If some French muslims are killed fighting for the other side in Iraq that means exactly what?
Did Chirac send them, the French populace?
C'mon folks lets keep this in perspective.
We as Americans have had our own folks working against us at times. Other countries have the same types of people in their midst.
I no more believe that the average Frenchmen, Brit, German or what have you want our boys to die any more than we want theirs to.
Disagreements are natural but a lot of the rhetoric from all camps is really getting ridiculous.
Roktiken
10-22-2004, 11:04 PM
Wow unbelievable.
Americans show glee in their faces when a person from a country they are allied with get's killed, how pitiful.
I could start wishing death apon American soldiers in Iraq but that would make me no better than the Americans here who are spouting this crap. That and I am not that kind of person.
Vance
10-22-2004, 11:07 PM
Wow unbelievable.
Americans show glee in their faces when a person from a country they are allied with get's killed, how pitiful.
I could start wishing death apon American soldiers in Iraq but that would make me no better than the Americans here who are spouting this crap. That and I am not that kind of person.
Once he crossed over into the enemy's hands, he is considered an enemy.
Roktiken
10-22-2004, 11:15 PM
$10 if I wished death wapon walker or that goof who defected to North Korea I would get bashed by atleast two Americans on this board for some reason.
Pooga
10-23-2004, 12:07 AM
Americans show glee in their faces when a person from a country they are allied with get's killed, how pitiful.
I could start wishing death apon American soldiers in Iraq but that would make me no better than the Americans here who are spouting this crap. That and I am not that kind of person.
Ally?
Second, nobody's wishing death on French soldiers.
stephane from Paris
10-23-2004, 05:48 AM
The current situation give a good light on Chirac's way! He was right, the OIF gives more soldiers to islamists extremists !
In Afghanistan and chechnya they were lots of UK, France and other countries (including US and Australia) muslims who go to help their brothers against "christian/jews oppression" as they says!
Iraq is now the place where these guys will go fighting the great Evil, since Russia nearly killed the Chechnya resistance!
I thinks that we will discovers more and more foreign fighters!
US is front of 3 ennemies in Irak: foreign fighters close to AQ way, locals islamists extremists (sunnits) , nationnalists who don't wan't foreign rules!
And you have shiit islamists extremists who are waiting to take the power that their number will give to them via democratic way.
Kilgor
10-23-2004, 06:03 AM
Wow unbelievable.
Americans show glee in their faces when a person from a country they are allied with get's killed, how pitiful.
I could start wishing death apon American soldiers in Iraq but that would make me no better than the Americans here who are spouting this crap. That and I am not that kind of person.
what bs.
he turned to the other side, he got killed. Too bad.
Its like any other nationality that joints to fight with the islamist scum. Who cares of nationality, they are on the other side, and its a good day when they get wasted.
Kilgor
10-23-2004, 06:04 AM
The current situation give a good light on Chirac's way! y.
The oil for food way ? or the saddam sidekick way ?
Mr Gently Benevolent
10-23-2004, 06:28 AM
Another poke at the French, jeez grow up its not like Americans don't fight for the other side or support terrorists, more than a few Dem and GOP congressmen supported terrorist groups overseas.
henksmoeder
10-23-2004, 06:29 AM
Interesting how the first french national casualty in country is on the Islamist terrorist side.
Liberte, Egalite, Franternite = BS
Uuhm, what does that has to do with liberté, egalité and fraternité?
henksmoeder
10-23-2004, 06:31 AM
The current situation give a good light on Chirac's way! y.
The oil for food way ? or the saddam sidekick way ?
Talking about saddam's sidekick? Remember that picture of rumsfeld and saddam? Smiling?
radon
10-23-2004, 06:48 AM
Interesting how the first french national casualty in country is on the Islamist terrorist side.
Liberte, Egalite, Franternite = BS
:| Why do these posts come always from members with few or no posts.
Kilgor
10-23-2004, 07:04 AM
The current situation give a good light on Chirac's way! y.
The oil for food way ? or the saddam sidekick way ?
Talking about saddam's sidekick? Remember that picture of rumsfeld and saddam? Smiling?
about as relevant as the one with kofi and saddam.
The US at least stop dealing with saddam after the first war.
Knutsen
10-23-2004, 08:30 AM
The US is currently dealing with Saudi Arabia which in my opinion is no better than Saddam.
France dealt with Saddam, yes, but what?? Does that action by the French justify US actions? Does it make all US businesses with dictatorships a right thing to do???
IT seems if France does it is the worst thing in the world but if the US does it then it's the right thing to do.
Both the US and France as two world powers are interested in having businesses of all kind. And many of those businesses are morally doubtful, so don't accuse only one of what the other is doing too.
fantassin
10-23-2004, 09:24 AM
Good ridance.I hope they kill plenty more.
The fact he's got a French passport means jack **** as far as I am concerned. To those guys, the passport is a tool, nothing more. They don't have a motherland, they have a faith which overrides everything else.
The "what a surprise, a French killed fighting against US forces" commentaries are just plain stupid and warrant no further discussion.
Who would have thought?
Was watching the news earlier while at the gym and it was being denied. I guess by France. :lol:
Yeah... Just like the US Military always denies killing/bombing civilians :|
fantassin
10-23-2004, 12:36 PM
It was not denied in France where it made it to the national news today; they said there were another dozen such moslem who were "eagerly expected for interrogation" whenever, and if ever, they come back to France.
Phil642
10-23-2004, 01:00 PM
The US is currently dealing with Saudi Arabia which in my opinion is no better than Saddam.
France dealt with Saddam, yes, but what?? Does that action by the French justify US actions? Does it make all US businesses with dictatorships a right thing to do???
IT seems if France does it is the worst thing in the world but if the US does it then it's the right thing to do.
Both the US and France as two world powers are interested in having businesses of all kind. And many of those businesses are morally doubtful, so don't accuse only one of what the other is doing too.
Right!
morlick
10-23-2004, 06:38 PM
I'm french but i don't have any pity for these "french" people, i hope that the americans soldiers will kill them all.
He219
10-23-2004, 06:56 PM
Good ridance.I hope they kill plenty more.
The fact he's got a French passport means jack **** as far as I am concerned. To those guys, the passport is a tool, nothing more. They don't have a motherland, they have a faith which overrides everything else.
The "what a surprise, a French killed fighting against US forces" commentaries are just plain stupid and warrant no further discussion.
Well said.
Zarathustra
10-23-2004, 07:16 PM
Agreed, these kind of "french" can be executed to that way, it's just a pretty job. Less terrorists...
Rantanplan
10-23-2004, 07:38 PM
Pfft, Nazis.
BlackRain
10-23-2004, 07:39 PM
Disaffected Muslims exit Europe to fight in Iraq
Craig S. Smith and Don Van Natta Jr., New York Times
October 23, 2004 FRAN1023
PARIS -- France's anti-terrorist police on Friday identified a young Frenchman killed fighting the United States in Iraq, the first confirmed case of what is believed to be a growing stream of Muslims heading from Europe to fight what they regard as a new holy war.
Redouane el-Hakim, 19, the son of Tunisian immigrants, died during a U.S. bombardment in Fallujah on July 17, according to an intelligence official close to the case.
Intelligence officials fear that for a new generation of disaffected European Muslims, Iraq could become what Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya were for European Islamic militants in past decades: a galvanizing cause that sends idealistic young men abroad, trains them and puts them in touch with a more radical global network of terrorists. In the past, many young Europeans who fought in those wars came back to Europe to plot terrorist attacks at home.
Hundreds of young militant Muslim men have left Europe to fight in Iraq, according to senior counterterrorism officials in four European countries. They have been recruited through mosques, Muslim centers and militant Web sites by several groups, including Ansar al-Islam, the Kurdish terrorist group once based in northern Iraq.
French officials stress that there is not yet evidence of a broad French network funneling fighters to Iraq, and terrorism experts say the majority of foreign fighters there come from other countries in the region. But past experience with returning fighters from other Muslim holy wars is causing anxiety in Europe.
Almost all of the major terrorists arrested in Europe in the past three years spent time in Bosnia, Afghanistan or Chechnya. "Now, the new land of jihad is Iraq," the intelligence official said. "There, they're trained, they fight and acquire a technique and the indoctrination sufficient to act on when they return."
A network of recruiters for Iraq first appeared in Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Norway within months of the U.S.-led invasion, officials said. Some officials said that the recruitment effort has now spread to other countries in Europe, including Belgium and Switzerland. The network provides forged documents, financing, training and information about infiltration routes into the country.
One senior European intelligence official said that there is evidence that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born militant believed to be operating in Fallujah, has established a sophisticated network that has helped recruit nearly 1,000 young men from the Middle East and Europe.
Little is yet known about the man recently killed in Fallujah, Hakim, other than that he left France earlier this year ostensibly to study in Syria. Intelligence officials say that he flew to Damascus with his brother, Boubaker, 21, who is wanted for questioning by French anti-terrorist police because of his association with a group suspected of terrorism-related activities in France. Boubaker was detained in Syria and is still in custody there, but Redouane el-Hakim continued on to Iraq.
Officials say they became aware of Hakim's death while questioning his family about the activities of his brother, Boubaker.
In June, the investigation in which Boubaker was named led to the arrest of a dozen people in nine locations north of Paris on suspicion of terrorist-related activities. The 12, including an Islamic cleric, were associated with a small mosque in the Parisian suburb of Levallois-Perret.
The group, identified as Irqa by Le Figaro, had taken control of the mosque and was using it to collect money and recruit volunteers for holy war, the newspaper said. The police say wiretaps picked up conversations that indicated some associates of the group were traveling through Syria to fight in Iraq.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5047872.html
Well as long as they're leaving Europe to go and die in some far away country, I think all sides can be happy about it? :lol:
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