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Seiyuuki

09-19-2003, 12:13 AM

France threatens to expel radical Muslims
Elaine Sciolino NYT Friday, September 19, 2003

PARIS France's interior minister threatened Thursday to close any mosque in France that is considered extremist and to expel any Muslim prayer leader who preached a radical message.

In an interview in the daily Le Figaro, the minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, also pledged to deny visas to Muslim participants in conferences who did not respect the values of the French state.

"The Muslims are not above the law, but they are not below the law either," Sarkozy was quoted as saying. "Because I have reached out my hand, I can be very firm against all fundamentalist movements."

More than any other official in France's center-right government, Sarkozy has sought to set strict limits on the behavior of the country's growing Muslim community. He has spoken of creating an "official Islam for France" that will take France's second-largest religion out of the "cellars and garages" and demonstrate that most Muslims are mainstream, law-abiding citizens.

In April, he was booed and whistled at when he said at the annual conference of one of France's most important Muslim groups that Muslim women would have to go bareheaded when posing for pictures for their identity cards.

His declaration backfired. Soon afterward, the satirical weekly Le Canard enchaîné revealed that the wife of the president, Bernadette Chirac, had lobbied successfully on behalf of Sister Adalberta, a close friend and a Carmelite nun, to wear a veil for her identity-card photo.

In the interview, Sarkozy declared: "No one should expect any weakness from me. Mosques where extremist Islam is preached will be closed. Imams who give radical sermons will be expelled. And conference-goers who don't show proof of respect for republican rules will find themselves systematically denied visas to enter France."

"There are five million Muslims in France," he said. "Whether that makes people happy or not, it's still a reality."

French law dictates a strict separation of church and state, and Sarkozy's remarks come amid a fierce debate about whether to pass a law banning head scarves in public schools.

Testifying Tuesday before a governmental commission, François Fillon, minister of social affairs, said that France needed a new law to keep displays of religion out of schools.

"Personally, I favor a law banning the ostentatious wearing of all religious symbols," Fillon told members of the commission. "We must get rid of this ambiguity, otherwise all the barriers will disappear."

Under current law, the wearing of head scarves in schools is permitted as long as it is not "aggressive or proselytizing." But it has been left to individual schools to decide, and while most ban the scarves, more Muslim girls are showing up at school in head coverings.

The commission is to make recommendations to the government by the end of the year on how best to preserve secularism in French society.

Luc Ferry, minister of education, told the commission that a law banning all religious symbols "would be a very complicated process" that would "make martyrs and promote the establishment of Koranic schools."

budanski

09-19-2003, 01:02 AM

You should know better not to post such garbage... ;)

France's Islamic heartland (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2959389.stm)

Europe Grows Hostage to Its Muslims (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/7/10/160934.shtml)

"Today, the Muslim birth rate in Europe (http://www.globalpolicy.org/globaliz/politics/2003/0304muslimeu.htm) is three times higher than the non-Muslim one. If current trends continue, the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim population will shrink by 3.5 percent."

The Big Picture (http://mason.gmu.edu/~walford/talibanfrance.htm)
17-year-old Sohane Benziane rolled in agony as she vainly tried to extinguish her burning flesh. Moments before, she cowered, drenched in gasoline as a teenaged boy advanced, menacing her with a lighter. As she was set ablaze, the boy’s friends only watched. She died in a nearby hospital shortly thereafter. Young Sohane bore the consequences a woman can expect for saying no to a man who wants to possess her.

This did not happen in the Third World or the Balkan War. It happened in Vitry-sur-Seine, France in Oct. 2002. Neither was this an isolated occurrence. Taliban-like subjugation of women has become commonplace in this 1960’s-era housing project, which has become a crime-ridden North African ghetto. Any young female who dares to so much as show her face in this Parisian suburb risks taunts, threats and worse...

Mortimer

09-19-2003, 01:05 AM

well the answers simple.....kill them all.....

kutter

09-19-2003, 01:29 AM

The Big Picture (http://mason.gmu.edu/~walford/talibanfrance.htm)
17-year-old Sohane Benziane rolled in agony as she vainly tried to extinguish her burning flesh. Moments before, she cowered, drenched in gasoline as a teenaged boy advanced, menacing her with a lighter. As she was set ablaze, the boy’s friends only watched. She died in a nearby hospital shortly thereafter. Young Sohane bore the consequences a woman can expect for saying no to a man who wants to possess her.

This did not happen in the Third World or the Balkan War. It happened in Vitry-sur-Seine, France in Oct. 2002. Neither was this an isolated occurrence. Taliban-like subjugation of women has become commonplace in this 1960’s-era housing project, which has become a crime-ridden North African ghetto. Any young female who dares to so much as show her face in this Parisian suburb risks taunts, threats and worse...

Oh my God, that is absolutely disgusting. What happened to animals responsible? I hope they got what they deserved :fork:

Saranof

09-19-2003, 08:32 AM

Yeah, cos ya know, all muslims are like that!
An all christians are like LLA in africa, you know, the ones who cut little kiddies hands off?

ShotOver

09-19-2003, 09:43 AM

Ey, i hope you mean "Kill all the Extreme Terrorist Muslims" not every muslim... :|

walford

09-19-2003, 02:29 PM

Yeah, cos ya know, all muslims are like that!
An all christians are like LLA in africa, you know, the ones who cut little kiddies hands off?

You left out this part:

"...Western inquiry and experimentation with limited representative government traces its roots as far back as ancient Greece. The Protestant Reformation then provided the impetus for true democracy to be made real. Martin Luther’s 95 Theses had unintentionally led to a fundamental reconsideration of all authority structures, religious and political. Once the genie was out of the bottle, it was only a matter of time before kings found themselves confronted with subjects demanding their God-given rights. Landed aristocracy soon gave way to market economies.

There is simply no equivalent of this in any other culture. Even in the West, those nations that did not embrace the Reformation were left politically and economically behind.

Leftist theoreticians who brought us abortion-on-demand, unlimited immigration and cultural relativism have once again ignored the Law of Unforeseen Consequences. A population that was not raised to believe in peaceful coexistence with other cultures or ‘alternate lifestyles’ is demographically supplanting us. They despise our freedom and yet come to reap its economic fruits. The likely outcome of a continuation on this path is predictable..."

front

09-19-2003, 02:46 PM

Budanski quotes William R Alford tract "The Big Picture" and then a new user named "walford" posts another quote from that page.

William R Alfords far-right articles are available to all here:

http://mason.gmu.edu/~walford/topical-political.html

Note the refined defense of Trent Lott on that page. It is a masterful piece...

Though when a writer starts blaming "Leftist theoreticians" and throws in "abortion-on-demand" as one of the reasons for a problem I tend to tune out.

cheers

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walford

09-19-2003, 02:57 PM

Though when a writer starts blaming "Leftist theoreticians" and throws in "abortion-on-demand" as one of the reasons for a problem I tend to tune out.

cheers

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I stand by my arguments. I invite you to refute them. See if you can without degenerating into name-calling or gratuitous assertions. Already you have distorted what I have written. I did not defend Lott - I questioned the motives of his attackers. You operate in today's world 'tuned out' at your peril.

front

09-19-2003, 03:15 PM

Wow! Fast reply.

I'm not going to get into any debate on a public forum with you for any reason Mr. Walford. I refuse your invitation to refute them, and I do not "operate" in todays world at my peril.

I live in todays world It is perilous. I feel I would be in more peril however if I gave more than a rudimentary glance to your articles.

cheers

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walford

09-19-2003, 03:25 PM

I feel I would be in more peril however if I gave more than a rudimentary glance to your articles.

cheers

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What would be imperiled by reading my material would be your current perspective. Since I was a small child I have dedicated my life to telling people that the Emperor is wearing no clothes. I will leave you in your comfort zone.... for now. :hug:

ibstolidude

09-19-2003, 04:10 PM

Holy ****...

Punch myself in the face.

Jack Mehoff

09-19-2003, 04:23 PM

Do french muslim women have to take off their face covers when they take pictures for ID cards?

Miles Teg

09-20-2003, 04:55 AM

Oh my God, that is absolutely disgusting. What happened to animals responsible? I hope they got what they deserved
Sure i's disgusting. It's the start of the movment "Ni putes ni soumises" a girl metting against these too common actions.
For the punishement of the man, with the politic context : Exemplar certainly but I can't remember.

Ho!! and in this case, nothing religious. No connects with muslim. This is just the result of huge stupidity and machism. Don't misunderstand.

walford

09-20-2003, 02:38 PM

[quote=
Sure i's disgusting. It's the start of the movment "Ni putes ni soumises" ...in this case, nothing religious. No connects with muslim. This is just the result of huge stupidity and machism. Don't misunderstand.[/quote]

I'm not sure if it is the religion, but it is the culture where these people come from. A couple of generations ago a woman who was raped in the West would find herself on trial if she was silly enough to press charges. 'How was she dressed, what was her ****** history, etc.' We had gotten past that culturally for the most part.

In the Mid-East, a woman is considered little more than livestock. Now that Western women are more likely to abort their children than have them, people from places that do not embrace tolerance for other cultures are being brought in to make up the difference. They are not expected to assimilate and adapt to us, we are expected to adapt to them:

http://www.weblog.nohair.net/archives/steyn.html

"Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country's rapes were committed by "non-Western" immigrants -- a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim. A professor at the University of Oslo explained that one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands "rape is scarcely punished" because it is generally believed that "it is women who are responsible for rape."

So Muslim immigrants to Norway should be made aware that things are a little different in Scandinavia? Not at all! Rather, the professor insisted, "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

They expect us to go their way, not the other way around when they live amongst us:

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/00/chap049.htm

"Making Judgment of people keeping in view their evident actions and leaving their hidden Actions to Allah (swt)

Allah, the Exalted, says:

"But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-As-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.'' (9:5)

390. `Abdullah bin `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "I have been commanded (by Allah) to fight people until they testify that there is no true god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform Salat and pay Zakat. If they do so, they will have protection of their blood and property from me except when justified by Islam, and then account is left to Allah".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: This Hadith brings out the following three points:

1. The objective of Jihad. This objective warrants that one must struggle against Kufr (disbelief) and Shirk (polytheism) and the worship of falsehood in all its forms. Jihad has to continue until this objective is achieved."

Adri

09-20-2003, 02:46 PM

So Muslim immigrants to Norway should be made aware that things are a little different in Scandinavia? Not at all! Rather, the professor insisted, "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it

I am sorry to hear that but can say that he was getting flamed the day afther...

we are now teaching imigrants who to live afther western standars woot

and its not in the religion, its in the culture....

Jack Mehoff

09-20-2003, 02:50 PM

Well, if you live in another country other than your own then you better obey their cultures, laws, taboos, and so on so on.

walford

09-20-2003, 04:35 PM

Well, if you live in another country other than your own then you better obey their cultures, laws, taboos, and so on so on.

That's not how they see it...

http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/jjokunen/shahed.jpg

citizen-k

09-20-2003, 05:57 PM

cut

09-20-2003, 06:22 PM

Adri

09-20-2003, 07:43 PM

I am sorry to hear that but can say that he was getting flamed the day afther...

we are now teaching imigrants who to live afther western standars woot

and its not in the religion, its in the culture....

Arab culture is like a Norwagian sirocco...

what the fu** is a sirocco ????

that worst ting is that I dont know if you insult me or not rofl ......

usa320

09-20-2003, 11:45 PM

France threatens to expel radical Muslims

rofl

Just like Yasser Arafat promised to crackdown on militans, no?

Seoulstriker

09-20-2003, 11:49 PM

SOG

09-21-2003, 12:12 AM

Do french muslim women have to take off their face covers when they take pictures for ID cards?

there was a big hoo haa about this in the US when some islam lady wouldnt bare all (face) or remove her head hood. freakin A. they told her ass to take a bus after she got some lawyer wanting publicity put up a narrow and short fight in court. people should have a compatibility chart to see if thier religion lets them live here. whadda ya know, none should! eh, my religion says to kill white satans and shoot doctors, oh wait, neither religions say that, just headcases believe it.

front

09-21-2003, 04:45 AM

citizen-k

09-21-2003, 06:28 AM

what the fu** is a sirocco ????

that worst ting is that I dont know if you insult me or not rofl ......

Sirocco is a very hot weather... got my point? rofl

Luxembourger

09-21-2003, 06:47 AM

citizen-k

09-21-2003, 06:58 AM

France threatens to expel radical Muslims

I don t think so FRance will expel radical muslims because that would be a thousands to be expelled. FRance has 6 milion muslims most are moderate but there is still a large very large group that is non moderate and that attacks Police and firefighters in their neighbourhoods.

I think one important reason why France was against the war in IRaq was that FRance was afraid of being drawn into a civilwar between non moderate muslims and France christians citizens.
THe muslim community would not have liked it if France had joined the coalition during OIF .[/quote]

France invested a lot of money in Iraq and due to the war they lost most of it (No Iraqi government to pay them back) and that is the main reason they were against it.

That is also the reason why they are against any action in Iran or Syria - the funny thing is they are helping this kind of countries and then cry about human rights (while in between they kill some south africans or whoever else they are ripping off now days)

budanski

09-21-2003, 10:51 AM

walford

09-22-2003, 12:04 PM

Do not allow Mr. Walford to hijack any thread on this board. As he has by the point of "budankski"...

His articles, to which I presented such an "indexed" page and a link to his articles above, have seeped into our military photograph forum...

Read his articles... I will not and can not present any arguments against his confused mix of statements, and questions.

cheers

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1. I am not budanski. I found this forum, because it came up as I was analyzing my web stats. It came up as a referring site, so I checked it out.

2. "I will not and can not present any arguments against his confused mix of statements, and questions." That is because you have no rational answer. I defy you to show what is 'confused' about any of my arguments.

3. As a Leftist, your position is based upon emotion, rather than reason. All you can do is become hysterical and use personal attacks to stop others from considering an alternative point of view.

4. Don't start none, won't be none.

:cantbeli:

front

09-27-2003, 03:41 AM

Budanski?

"Hood" can "run" an "IP" check on me anytime. For whatever reason I do not know.

"walford" is a person who has based a confused mix of statements, opinions, and questions on his student website with the justification of publication on the Accuracy In Media 'forum'.

Let me open up this board to "Accuracy In Media":

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/25/173/40630

A history of that "fair and balanced" institution is examined in that post.

You have it good too though "budanski". Your attempt to achieve your arguments through ribald humour with your dime store joke avatar across each post does not impress me.

I will not debate with either of you. Just know that each time "walford" blames the state of the world on "abortion-on-demand" I'll be there to remind people of his right wing affiliation.

And you "budanski"? You make a lot of comments on this board. Start putting sources to them... I do to my posts. You don't.

Moreso I am not a "leftist" walford... do not even begin to label me with your juvenile catchphrase to anyone who dissents against your ridiculous essays.

cheers

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budanski

09-27-2003, 09:40 AM

The ip check was to reply to your accusations that walford and I were one in the same.

You have it good too though "budanski". Your attempt to achieve your arguments through ribald humour with your dime store joke avatar across each post does not impress me.
Check my membership date again. Yes, thats 2002 of September. Lets have a little fun. Now for cross reference, check Hood's membership. Now, lets compare that to yours. I wasnt aware of it at the time, but yes, I guess joined to impress jackasses like you.

And you "budanski"? You make a lot of comments on this board. Start putting sources to them... I do to my posts. You don't.
Learn to use the search tool or go to my profile and select view all posts.
Next thing your going tell me to include the signature ...."just some thoughts" (©2003 Tane) too?

California Joe

09-27-2003, 10:04 AM

I find your avatar offensive. It reeks of tomfoolery.

budanski

09-27-2003, 10:16 AM

Don't hate, congratulate.

One?

09-27-2003, 02:34 PM

well the answers simple.....kill them all.....

Well what do you know another racist amongst us. Is the board infested with these freaks?

walford

09-27-2003, 04:06 PM

Budanski?

"Hood" can "run" an "IP" check on me anytime. For whatever reason I do not know. [A comparison of budanski's and my IP address will show that we are different people. You don't grasp this, yet you choose to attack anyway.]

"walford" is a person who has based a confused [prove it] mix of statements, opinions, and questions on his student website with the justification of publication on the Accuracy In Media 'forum' [I am indeed a college student [middle aged] and I am a writer for AIM and Accuracy in Academia http://www.academia.org as well. Unlike many journalists and commentators, I am not going to stand pat with my education. I am in a constant learning process that will continue until I keel over at my keyboard. I'm supposed to be ashamed of being a student? Let's talk about your poor command of the English language... ]

Let me open up this board to "Accuracy In Media":

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/25/173/40630

A history of that "fair and balanced" institution is examined in that post.

[This article that you posted refers to interpretations of AIM by FAIR, which is in it's own words:
http://www.fair.org/whats-fair.html
"As a PROGRESSIVE [my emphasis] group, FAIR believes that structural reform is ultimately needed to break up the dominant media conglomerates, establish independent public broadcasting and promote strong non-profit sources of information."

In other words FAIR is against privately owned media, or would like to have the government have considerably more control of any small private media that it is willing to tolerate.

FAIR goes on to say "Accuracy in Media emerges as belonging to one of the mysterious sectors of society that perpetuates this mythology of "liberal media" with a straight face. "

Offering no evidence to the contrary, FAIR simply sneers at the mere thought that the news is biased. AIM dispassionately offers plenty of evidence that it is biased, and not through "sarcastic jokes and biting satire" as FAIR alleges. We cite specific examples and have data to back up our assertions. see for yourself http://www.aim.org]

You have it good too though "budanski". Your attempt to achieve your arguments through ribald humour with your dime store joke avatar across each post does not impress me.

I will not debate with either of you [but you are - we're just not supposed to respond right? You don't want to debate with me? Then let me be, because I'm not going to let you sucker punch me :bash: with such gross mischaracterizations without a response. That's the way that it's supposed to work in your little world isn't it? You slime me, and I'm just supposed to take it? No way. Bring it on. I'll take on all comers.]. Just know that each time "walford" blames the state of the world [I did no such thing, read on] on "abortion-on-demand" [I argued in an earlier post: "Now that Western women are more likely to abort their children than have them, people from places that do not embrace tolerance for other cultures are being brought in to make up the difference."] I'll be there to remind people of his right wing affiliation [rather than considering that argument just dismiss it with a stop-thought label. Classic Leftist technique.].

And you "budanski"? You make a lot of comments on this board. Start putting sources to them... I do to[on]my posts. You don't.

Moreso [moreover] I am not a "leftist" walford... do not even begin to label me with your juvenile catchphrase [what about 'far-right' and 'right-wing'] to anyone who dissents against your ridiculous [quote any 'ridiculous' passage and explain why it is as you characterize] essays.

cheers

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Like I said, DON'T START NONE, WON'T BE NONE.

p-)

miserables

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Trigger

09-28-2003, 04:24 PM

walford got game! :D

martinexsquaddie

09-29-2003, 05:14 AM

Err Birthrates tend to fall in rich countries as People discover there are better things to do than raise a huge brood of kids and that said children survive. It happens regardless of belief System as the latest predictions on population growth tend to belive earths population will Stabilise around 10 billion.
AIM rofl
Milosvitch defending the brave serbs and the west from islamic Terrorists yes sheberniza was a wellknown islamic Terrorist training camp you muppet. another right wing nut. YOu know why these guys are against abortion because it gives them less potential targets to shoot when the secret messages from the UN force them to attack a daycare centre with an UZI. Because if the women were decent they'd be at home baking apple pie with there kids. not OUT WORKING AS SATANS WHORES rofl

walford

09-30-2003, 04:36 PM

Err Birthrates tend to fall in rich countries as People discover there are better things to do than raise a huge brood of kids and that said children survive. [Yes, these birthrates are now falling below replacement levels. http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/wpp2000/highlights.pdf (see p. v note 2)
Immigration from the Third world is necessary to make up the difference. Otherwise the health care system and the general economy will retrogress if there is an overload proportion of old to young. With 2 pregnancies terminated for every child born, Russia stands to lose more people than it did in WWII. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,416541,00.html Economic collapse looms.]

It happens regardless of belief System as the latest predictions on population growth tend to belive[sic]
earths population will Stabilise around 10 billion. [When this population 'stabilizes,' what type of people will be left? The most prolific are from Third World dictatorships, authoritarian and patrimonial regimes. Will you still have your freedom and prosperity when the population stabilizes?]

AIM rofl [Once again, rather than deal with any ideas we don't agree with, let's just characterize and dismiss.]

Milosvitch defending the brave serbs [Hey, it was the Europeans who should have put a stop to that; all they did was sit back and wring their hands while the slaughter took place. Even our lame Clinton finally said, 'enough.' Unfortunately, he was lame about handling the problem.]
and the west from islamic Terrorists yes sheberniza was a wellknown islamic Terrorist training camp you muppet. [ Name-calling rather than reasoning just exemplifies how weak you yourself think your position is.]
another right wing nut. [Milosevic is the founder and the President of the Socialist Party of Serbia, but if he's bad, just label him right-wing. It's not as if there have been any Left-wing mass-murdering dictators (except Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. etc.)]
YOu know why these guys are against abortion because it gives them less potential targets to shoot when the secret messages from the UN force them to attack a daycare centre with an UZI.
Because if the women were decent they'd be at home baking apple pie with there [their]
kids. [As it is now, there is a stigma attached to Westerners who choose to raise families. Doing so is, as you characterize, some sort of oppression. Are there no Western women who are having babies and pursuing careers? Don't worry, others are being brought in to make up for the babies we don't have.]
not OUT WORKING AS SATANS WHORES rofl[You are simply reinforcing my case that it is not possible for a Leftist to present a point of view without resorting to name-calling and gratuitous assertions. It is not possible to be both a clear-thinking, rational person AND be a Leftist.]

Say, how are things in the UK these days, what your women being liberated from childbirth and leaving it to immigration to fill the gaps?

UK whites will be minority by 2100

http://www.guardian.co.uk/racism/Story/0,2763,363777,00.html

Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century. Analysis of official figures indicate that, at current fertility rates and levels of immigration, there will be more non-whites than whites by 2100.

It would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease. Whites will be a minority in London by 2010.

In the early 1950s there were only a few tens of thousands of non-whites in the UK. By 1991 that had risen to 3 million - 6 per cent of the population. The population of ethnic minorities has been growing at between 2 and 4 per cent a year. Net immigration has been running at record levels, with 185,000 newcomers last year.

Government forecasts suggest that immigration on its own will be responsible for half the growth of the British population over the next couple of decades.

New immigrants, who are on average younger than the population at large, also tend to have higher fertility rates. In contrast, the population of white British citizens is static. Their fertility rate is very low - at under 2 children per woman - and there is overall emigration of British citizens.

The analysis of the figures showed that if the population of ethnic minorities grows at 4 per cent a year, whites will become a minority before 2100. The demographer who made the calculation wished to remain anonymous for fear of accusations of racism

The poor scientist, using valid data and provable conclusions has to remain anonymous for telling the truth. [u]What's important about this demographic change is not skin color. People of color have joined Western societies over the past generations and made valuable contributions. That is because they came in manageble numbers and were incorporated into the greater culture contributing their words, values, food, ideas, sweat, bloodlines, etc. -enriching the whole. Not today. Immigrants settle into enclaves, having no desire to become a part of their host country. With each passing year, Westerners proportionally shrink in their own nations. Politically, economically and socially, the West is bound to be transformed.

Transformed into what?

Al Qaeda’s British Connection: London has long been home to Arab extremists waging revolution. Did authorities protect them?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/919734.asp?0cv=KB10&cp1=1#BODY

...Here in England’s green and pleasant land, we were a long way from Arabia’s oppressive physical, political and intellectual desert. Yet a combination of Britain’s hospitality to asylum seekers, traditions of free speech and the wonders of modern technology have made this, as much as any place in the world, the heartland of Islamic revolution.

That’s why French officials talk about “Londonistan.” To hear Arab and Continental spymasters talk, you’d think England should be the next target in the war on terror. The governments of Jordan, Algeria and Egypt, as well as Saudi Arabia, have all complained often and bitterly that the Sceptered Isle protects their most dangerous political enemies. And from personal experience, I can tell you that at least until 1998, the northern suburbs of London were where you went to set up visits with Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri in their Afghan hideouts.

Have the British been very negligent? Or very smart?

On the one hand, they’ve provided an outlet for people like Al-Fagih who give voice to the politically voiceless in their home countries, and may even release some of the pressure in those societies. But it’s not always easy to tell the difference between talkers and bombers these days.

Arab officials, always leery of conspiracy, note that British soil has rarely if ever been the scene of Qaeda-type terrorist attacks. They suggest the bombers are reluctant to strike so close to their ideological refuge. Of course London passionately denies any such thing. But one alleged preacher-recruiter for the organization, Abu Qatada, operated blatantly in Britain for so long that many foreign intelligence services suspected the spooks of MI-5 or MI-6 had cut a deal to protect him in exchange for sensitive information...

p-) Who's next?