Today's Photos, Sept 19th

[He219]

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Gen. Richard B. Myers, Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, left, talks with Gen. Czeslaw Piatas, Chief of the General Staff of the Polish Army during a welcoming ceremony in Warsaw Friday Sept. 19, 2003. Myers came to Poland for talks with Polish defense officials on Iraq, the war on terrorism and NATO. (AP Photo/Alik Keplicz)


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Nice advertisement on the windshield...

American soldier Col. James Hickey, commander of the 1st brigade, 4th mechanised Infantry division, in Tikrit, Iraq, briefs the press Friday, Sept. 19, 2003 about an incident late Thursday evening, Sept. 18. Three U.S. soldiers were killed and two wounded when they engaged Saddam Hussein loyalists in Uja, Iraq, 8km (5 miles) south of Tikrit. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)


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Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf, second left, and Queen Silvia, right, arrive at the Stockholm City Hall Friday Sept.19, 2003, in Stockholm, Sweden to attend the memorial service for slain Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh. (AP Photo /Pressens Bild Pool/Jessica Gow)

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Former Gen. Sultan Hashim Ahmad, shown as the eight of hearts in the U.S. Department of Defense (news - web sites) playing card deck, Iraq (news - web sites)'s last defense minister under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), surrendered to the American general in charge of the north of the country Friday Sept. 19, 2003 after weeks of negotiations, a Kurdish mediator said. (AP Photo)

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Email this slideshow A U.S. soldier keeps watch through binoculars outside an army base in Tikrit, about 110 miles northwest of Baghdad on September 19, 2003. U.S. forces captured 40 suspected Iraqi guerrillas in a night-long battle near Tikrit after three U.S. soldiers were killed in an ambush, a U.S. commander said on September 19, 2003. Backed by attack helicopters, U.S. troops battled guerrillas until first light after the 4th Infantry Division soldiers were ambushed and killed in part of a series of coordinated attacks east and west of the Tigris river on September 18, 2003. Photo by Arko Datta/*******


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Turkish soldiers, parading here in the uniforms of the former Ottoman army. Turkey's civilian and military leaders were to convene to discuss the controversial issue of a possible Turkish troops deployment in Iraq (news - web sites).(AFP/File/Tarik Tinazay)

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U.S LT Corbin Sawyer, of the 3rd Battalion 124th Infantry Regiment of the Florida Army National Guard plays ping pong with Iraqi children at the al-Maghrib Community Centerin Baghdad Thursday Sept. 18, 2003. Until the April 9 ouster of Saddam Hussein, the center was a sleazy night spot frequented mainly by men. In May, the 3rd Battalion, 124th Regiment of the Florida National Guard heeded the call of local residents and began transforming the place into a community center. Amid rising American casualties and Iraqi discontent, authorities in charge of the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq are studying several measures to ease the burden on ordinary citizens, including shortening the curfew in Baghdad and withdrawing U.S. troops from selected cities. (AP Photo/Mstr Sgt James Bowman/Florida National Guard

[ArmoredDov_D9]

From Jenin:

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A Palestinian boys throws a petrol bomb on an Israeli tank during a military operation in the West Bank city of Jenin September 19, 2003. Israeli soldiers exchanged fire with Palestinians and demolished the family home of a Hamas suicide bomber on Friday during a house-by-house sweep for militants in a major West Bank city.*******/Saeed Dahlah

[96B]

Scrambled eggs look so much better than farts and darts IMO. :lol:

[GLax]

whats the name of that APC that is slightly on fire? looks like a 240 mounted on it but i could be wrong...

p.s. hum digity, 100 posts for me!

[ArmoredDov_D9]

It is an "Achzarit" ("Cruel Lady") and it's based on a T-54\T-55 tank chassis.

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The Achzarit armed with MAG REFAEL, a 7.62 mm machingun which can be controlled (aiming, shooting etc) from within the protected cabine of the APC.

[GLax]

thx ArmoredDov_D9, seems like a better design than an m113, much lower profile...

[He219]

Nice pic's, D9


Some more for today:

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Palestinian youths hurl stones and other objects at an Israeli army armored personnel carrier releasing a smokescreen as it passes during clashes in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, Friday Sept. 19, 2003. Israeli troops in armored vehicles entered Jenin and the adjacent refugee camp, taking over eight homes and conducting searches for suspected militants. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)

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A Palestinian boy gestures as he shouts to Israeli soldiers in a tank to move back during clashes in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, Friday Sept. 19, 2003. Israeli troops in tanks and armored vehicles entered Jenin and the adjacent refugee camp, taking over eight homes and conducting searches for suspected militants. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)


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Former President Bill Clinton shakes hands with cheering crowds who gathered to meet him in Kosovo's capital Pristina on Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. Clinton is in Kosovo on a one-day visit. (AP Photo/Visar Kryeziu)

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Former U.S President Bill Clinton addresses U.S troops at the main U.S military base Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo on Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. (AP Photo/Visar Kryeziu)

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U.S. soldiers stand in front of a house destroyed in an explosion in Bagram, around 45 kilometers from Kabul, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. According to U.S. military, the owner of the house was trying to cut open a rocket to sell it as scrap metal when it went off, killing three people and injuring five. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)

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U.S. soldiers carry chargers for rocket propelled grenades as they collect evidence from a house destroyed in an explosion in Bagram, some 45 kilometers from Kabul, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. According to U.S. military, the owner of the house was trying to cut open a rocket to sell it as scrap metal when it went off, killing three people and injuring other five. (AP Photo/Natacha Pisarenko)


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French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, center, helped by two police officers, lays a wreath at the Memorial for the Victims of Terrorism during a ceremony at the Hotel des Invalides, Friday, Sept. 19, 2003 in Paris. Fourteen years to the day after a UTA jet bombing that killed 170 over Niger, a ceremony paid homage on Friday to all the victims of terrorism. (AP Photo/Remy de la Mauviniere)

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A Palestinian boy participates in Friday Muslim prayers in a protest tent set up to demonstrate against the construction by Israeli authorities of part of the separation fence between east Jerusalem area, and West Bank villages Friday Sept. 19, 2003. Israel says the barrier, that will seize Palestinian land and draws U.S. opposition, is necessary to keep suicide bombers from crossing over and has already completed about 150 kilometers (90 miles) of fences, trenches, razor wire and concrete walls; it could eventually run more than 600 kilometers (375 miles), depending on the final route. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)

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Palestinian youth Ahmed Abed el Ale stands looking at children playing on the rubble of his family house, which was blown up overnight by Israeli troops next to the border with Egypt, at the Rafah refugee camp, southern Gaza Strip , Monday , Sept. 15, 2003. Palestinian homes located on the border are often demolished by the army.(AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

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A Palestinian elderly walks by, as in the background the construction site by Israeli authorities of part of the separation fence between east Jerusalem area, seen in distance top left, and the West Bank village of Abu Dis, at top right, is seen Friday Sept. 19, 2003. The authorities will seize Palestinian land to build the fence, including the soccer field bottom, belonging to the Al Quds University campus.

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Palestinian youths hurl stones at a bulldozer, used in the contruction by Israeli authorities of part of the separation fence between east Jerusalem area and the West Bank village of Abu Dis, during a protest against it, Friday Sept. 19, 2003.

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Cindy Corrie, right, and husband Craig, the parents of American International Solidarity Movement activist Rachel Corrie carry two olive trees they later planted in the Rafah Refugee Camp in southern Gaza Strip Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. Their daughter was killed when an Israeli Army bulldozer crushed her during an operation in March of this year. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

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Palestinian boys train on the beach during a beach camp in Gaza Strip, September 19, 2003. The camp is organized by the militant group Hamas during traditional Friday prayers. *******/Eric Gaillard


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Indoctonation of the youth (to hate)...

A Palestinian child runs Friday, Sept. 19, 2003 after a bus flying Hamas flags and carrying Palestinian schoolchildren returning from an outing on the beach near Der El Balah, central Gaza Strip. The Islamic group Hamas organizes camps and outings for children through the summer. (AP Photo/jerome Delay)

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Palestinian police officer Muhammed el Sheikh, left, sits in a hospital bed as unidentified relatives look on in Gaza City, Friday Sept. 19, 2003. El Sheikh said he was beaten and kidnapped by Hamas members during clashes with police Thursday night. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

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Shahar Dvir-Zeliger, center, a Jewish settler, is escorted to the court in Jerusalem Friday Sept. 19, 2003. Dvir-Zeliger was charged Friday with stealing weapons from the Israeli military, and prosecutors said he was procuring arms for Jewish vigilantes suspected of killing eight Palestinians.(AP Photo/Baubaua, Eyal Warshavsky)

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Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer sits under a portrait of Turkey's founder Kemal Ataturk with an aide de camp standing at the left during a meeting of the National Security Council at the Cankaya presidential palace in Ankara on Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. Sezer, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, top army commanders and other members of the council met to discuss a U.S. request for troops for an international force to help stabilize Iraq, a show of force that would give Turkey a strong say in the neighboring country and help boost ties with Washington. (AP Photo/Burhan Ozbilici)


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Top Turkish commanders, from left: Chief of Staff Gen. Hilmi Ozkok, Land Forces commander Aytac Yalman, Navy Commander Ozden Ornek, Air Forces Commander Ibrahim Firtina and Paramilitary Forces Commander Sener Eruygur are seen during a meeting of the National Security Council at the Cankaya presidential palace in Ankara on Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and other member of the council met to discuss a U.S. request for troops for an international force to help stabilize Iraq, a show of force that would give Turkey a strong say in the neighboring country and help boost ties with Washington. (AP Photo/Burhan Ozbilici)

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An Iraqi man is searched at a downtown Baghdad checkpoint by U.S. forces Friday Sept. 19, 2003. (AP Photo/Kassem Abdul Kareem)

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An American soldier in Tikrit, Iraq, Friday Sept, 19, 2003 stands guard over the flag draped bodies of unidentifed soldiers who died late Thursday evening, after their squad was ambushed while on patrol. The attack against U.S. forces cost the lives of three soldiers and wounded another two. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)

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Members of an anti-terrorist squad search for evidence in a damaged building where bomb exploded in Karachi, Pakistan on Friday, Sept. 19, 2003. A bomb hidden in a trash can on the 10th floor of an office building in Karachi shattered windows and rained debris onto the street below, but there were no reports of casualties, police said. Interior Ministry spokesman Iftikhar Ahmad said they had no indication of who was behind the blast. (AP Photo/Shakil Adil)


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A military vehicle painted in camouflage is inspected on the beach in Hatteras, North Carolina September 19, 2003 after Hurricane Isabel passed through the Outer Banks late September 18. 13 people are dead, and 4.5 million homes and businesses are without power from the Carolinas to New York. *******/Joe Skipper

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Nice pics.

You saw the pictures of the kids with the tanks rumbbling on the streets and I don't understand - what the heck they're doing there and who's the neglecting parent who let them run like this in a battle zone? They can easily get themseves killed if a shootout burst suddenly or a gunmen is hiding behind them. Why they stone the tanks? The doesn't hurt or been damaged from them. Why are they looking for troubles? Because dead kid is a good photo-op in CNN?

[SOG]

Nice pics.

You saw the pictures of the kids with the tanks rumbbling on the streets and I don't understand - what the heck they're doing there and who's the neglecting parent who let them run like this in a battle zone? They can easily get themseves killed if a shootout burst suddenly or a gunmen is hiding behind them. Why they stone the tanks? The doesn't hurt or been damaged from them. Why are they looking for troubles? Because dead kid is a good photo-op in CNN?

ah cmon, your asking questions to answers you already know :)

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Nice pics.

You saw the pictures of the kids with the tanks rumbbling on the streets and I don't understand - what the heck they're doing there and who's the neglecting parent who let them run like this in a battle zone? They can easily get themseves killed if a shootout burst suddenly or a gunmen is hiding behind them. Why they stone the tanks? The doesn't hurt or been damaged from them. Why are they looking for troubles? Because dead kid is a good photo-op in CNN?

ah cmon, your asking questions to answers you already know :)

Yep, but someone gotta ask those questions. I know the answers but do others know it?
Just a food for thought...

[Mortimer]

Nice pics.

You saw the pictures of the kids with the tanks rumbbling on the streets and I don't understand - what the heck they're doing there and who's the neglecting parent who let them run like this in a battle zone? They can easily get themseves killed if a shootout burst suddenly or a gunmen is hiding behind them. Why they stone the tanks? The doesn't hurt or been damaged from them. Why are they looking for troubles? Because dead kid is a good photo-op in CNN?

ah cmon, your asking questions to answers you already know :)

Yep, but someone gotta ask those questions. I know the answers but do others know it?
Just a food for thought...

Yeah and did anyone ask that tank driver what hes doing in that part of town? he's likely to run over some little kid....bloody tankies never learn...heh

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Yeah and did anyone ask that tank driver what hes doing in that part of town?

Hmmmm... fighting terror?

Do you know that 2 days ago an IDF tank destroyed a 4X4 vehicle full with explosives in Jenin? That vehicle was a car-bomb supposed to be sent to an urban center and slaughter dozens. It was a "mega terror" attack that was thwart by the IDF tanks.


he's likely to run over some little kid....bloody tankies never learn...heh
Israeli tanks have never ran over children.

[thatguy96]

A Palestinian child runs Friday, Sept. 19, 2003 after a bus flying Hamas flags and carrying Palestinian schoolchildren returning from an outing on the beach near Der El Balah, central Gaza Strip. The Islamic group Hamas organizes camps and outings for children through the summer. (AP Photo/jerome Delay)
And people continue to wonder why these assholes gain support...someones offering you a free outing for the day, probably be fed, and definitly looked after...you probably don't care right away that you're being indoctrinated...

[Mortimer]

Yeah and did anyone ask that tank driver what hes doing in that part of town?

Hmmmm... fighting terror?

Do you know that 2 days ago an IDF tank destroyed a 4X4 vehicle full with explosives in Jenin? That vehicle was a car-bomb supposed to be sent to an urban center and slaughter dozens. It was a "mega terror" attack that was thwart by the IDF tanks.


he's likely to run over some little kid....bloody tankies never learn...heh
Israeli tanks have never ran over children.

And did you know over 2000 people have been killed over there in the last 12 months? and did you know how stupid that is? and did you know its your kind of apathy and one sided view on the issue that is just going to cost more lives?

please stop spreading your biased comments on this forum.

[Seiyuuki]

Mortimer, please stop spreading your biased comments on this forum.

[Seiyuuki]

(insert user name here), please stop spreading your biased comments on this forum.

[Mortimer]

Mortimer, please stop spreading your biased comments on this forum.
i fail to see what makes me biased....i have an opinion which has been formed after research and life experience, i'm not biased.

ArmoredDov_D9 and the others are Israeli.....therfore biased.

plus i have not taken a side...how can i be biased? i merely pointed out that there are two sides to this conflict, something which a lot of people here have trouble recognising.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Here's an idea.

Instead of banging with the same old theme, ie Palistinians are bad/terrorists/to blame, Israelis are good/peace loving/not to blame. Why don't you try posting a more balanced view?.

Or are you saying Israel has done nothing whatsoever to engender the feelings of hatred that the majority of Palistinians hold for it.

And before the flaming begins.........

The killing of civilians disgusts me no matter who the victims are, or what the supposed 'justification(s)' is.

I am not anti-Semetic nor anti-Islamic. But I am getting sick of people banging on pedanticly with a wholely one sided view of how THEY'VE been wronged and the OTHER side is ALL to blame.

Aw yeah, that go's for the people whining about OIF pros and cons as well. Try walking a mile in another mans shoes before you start shooting from the hip/lip.

Just give me a sec while I don my Nomex undies.........

[Spine]

The whole Israeli / Palestinian thing has been done to death in these forums lately.

[citizen-k]

Yeah and did anyone ask that tank driver what hes doing in that part of town? he's likely to run over some little kid....bloody tankies never learn...heh

Those tanks are after your friends who try to kill Jews, and as a Jewish army the IDF is trying to prevent that - go figure!

I guess you didn't know that when Arafat canceled the peace agreement and started this war 99% of Palestinian citizens were governed by the PA?
(which means they didn't have IDF tank in their streets at all)

But we know your point of view is not based on facts, so I guess you don't REALLY care...

[Haiw]

this forum was so much better without the senseless everlasting israeli-palestinian rumble :|

[Mortimer]

this forum was so much better without the senseless everlasting israeli-palestinian rumble :|

i get the feeling they are trying to convince us of something......don't know exactly what yet...