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Sayeret
10-24-2004, 08:35 PM
JEDDAH, 25 October 2004 — Normally it is Washington that worries about stability in Arab countries.

These days, however, there is much official nail biting in Arab capitals over the threat of instability in the United States.

“What we are witnessing in the United States is their second civil war,” says an Arab diplomat posted to Washington. “The difference is that this war is waged in the media, in churches, on the hustings, and inside many American homes.”

That next week’s presidential election is the closest in US history seems certain. What is causing concern in Arab and other capitals is that the intense passions unleashed by both sides could provoke instability and violence regardless of who wins.

Arab diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity, claim that the Democrats, many of whom believe their party was robbed of victory in 2000, are determined to fight hard to dislodge President George W. Bush from the White House.

Fears that the “American street” might explode, in the fashion often attributed to the “Arab street,” may well be exaggerated. But the possibility of US government becoming paralyzed for weeks, if not months, as a result of disputes over election results cannot be discounted.

Both President Bush and his Democrat challenger Sen. John Kerry start from a solid support base of around 40 percent of the electorate each. The remaining 20 percent consists of undecided or floating voters whose decision could affect the outcome in 12 states still up for grabs.

In the 2000 presidential election the closeness of the results in the state of Florida provoked a legal duel that was ultimately decided by the US Supreme Court. This time the experience of Florida could be repeated in many other states.

Both Republicans and Democrats have already set up legal headquarters in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Oregon, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio, West Virginia and New Hampshire. Most polls show the two candidates neck-and-neck in those states. That means the outcome could be decided by a few dozen or a few hundred votes. Some of the states have laws under which if the margin of victory is less than half of one percent a recount is automatically conducted. Others have no such laws, forcing the loser to take the matter to court on other grounds such as possible fraud.

The Florida fight in 2000 dragged on for more than a month. Similar fights in a dozen or more states could last longer. And that could put American decision-making on autopilot, so to speak.

“The prospect of the US being unable to take urgent decisions for months cannot be taken lightly,” suggests an Arab diplomat. “Such paralysis could be dangerous in our region where the situation remains volatile. The war in Iraq, the dispute over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the UN fight with Syria over Lebanon, and the Israeli plan to withdraw from Gaza cannot be put on the backburner for months.”

The calendar of events for the three months ahead is unusually full in the region.

• Three weeks after the American election Egypt will host an international conference, in Sharm al-Sheikh on the future of Iraq. A lame-duck US administration bogged down in domestic electoral disputes would lack the clout and he credibility to provide leadership.

• A few days after that the International Atomic Energy Agency will have to decide whether to refer Iran to the United Nations’ Security Council for an allegedly illegal nuclear program.

• Also in November Hamed Karzai is scheduled to be sworn in as the first directly elected president of Afghanistan, and to form a new Cabinet. Again, the US is required to play a central role in bringing the rival factions together to ensure a smooth transition to a pluralist system in Kabul.

• Early in December UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan is scheduled to report on Syria’s compliance with resolution 1559 that requires the withdrawal of foreign troops from Lebanon. Political paralysis in Washington could render action impossible, thus deepening the crisis in Lebanon.

• In January, Iraq is scheduled to hold elections for a Constituent Assembly to approve the draft of a new constitution for submission to popular vote in a referendum. The perception that the US is too pre-occupied with domestic electoral disputes to focus on Iraqi elections could encourage the forces that are fighting to disrupt the process of democratization in Baghdad.

• In February, Israel is expected to start withdrawing troops from Gaza. This would require American leadership in forming an international peacekeeping force.

If Bush wins the Democrats are certain to do all they can to delay the finalization of the results through litigation.

But even if Kerry wins, the transition might not be as smooth as in 2000. The Republicans are likely to retain control of the Senate; and that would give them the possibility of delaying the formation of a Kerry administration by vetoing his nominees for key posts.

“It may be exaggerated that we are biting our nails in worry,” says an Arab official. “But we need contingency plans to cope with a situation in which the US is busy with its domestic fights.”

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=53398&d=25&m=10&y=2004
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I thought some people might find this interesting.

mr.x
10-24-2004, 08:41 PM
The viewpoint is interesting.

Like the article pointed out, whichever way the election goes I doubt that we will see a widespread outbreak of violence > Maybe some hooligans here or there who get out of hand but not much else I hope,

Pooga
10-24-2004, 09:54 PM
First dissent is patriotism, now it's civil war?

Good Lord, we must be in a brutal total war of attrition with the French!

UkrainianAmerican
10-24-2004, 09:59 PM
"Arabs", the ones that are supposedly represented by this 'Arab' diplomat are RETARDED.

mi35d
10-24-2004, 10:26 PM
Interesting how the Arab world suddenly wants a stable and helpful United States...

rindeee
10-24-2004, 11:30 PM
"That next week’s presidential election is the closest in US history seems certain." It does? Have you talked to normal everyday people? While I may be in for a rude awakening, I maintain tha Bush will win by at least 8 points overall. While the media works overtime to portray Kerry as a worthy opponent, I just don't see it. On top of that, it seems that daily either he or his lovely bride do something to alienate their base (such as goose hunting which will win him exactly zero conservative votes and will certainly lose him a few amongst the PETA crowd). We shall see, but I think that the Arab's "fears" are unfounded. A civil war this is not.

ER

Rantanplan
10-25-2004, 12:41 AM
BS

vryhpyammoadded
10-25-2004, 12:49 AM
No civil war this time round but later maybe...

UkrainianAmerican
10-25-2004, 01:44 PM
No civil war this time round but later maybe...
Boston Red Sox fans, versus New York National guard. I am betting on the 'Guard. ;)

Phil642
10-25-2004, 02:32 PM
A new civil war?

I though the first one never ended p-)

UkrainianAmerican
10-25-2004, 03:39 PM
A new civil war?

I though the first one never ended p-)
No, us superior Northerners get along just fine with our Redneck hick countrymen.

aartamen
10-25-2004, 04:32 PM
People are getting worried over strangest things. As I said elsewhere, it will be one of the shortest civil wars on record.

[SAB]Grey
10-25-2004, 06:18 PM
People are getting worried over strangest things. As I said elsewhere, it will be one of the shortest civil wars on record.

Still not sure how you come to that conclusion. We're not having a civil war over this so it's a moot point anyway.

mi35d
10-25-2004, 11:05 PM
I remember watching a panel of foriegn reporters jabbering about how the US was being inconsiderate by having an unstable government. The Italian reporter started laughing and said, "what the hell are you talking about??? Unstable??? They're counting their votes and taking it to court. Is there fighting in the streets? Is the capital on fire? They've had ONE government for over 200 years!!! How many has France had in 200 years? How many has Italy had? Or Germany?". He reminded them that as late as the 1960's in France and 1970's in Portugal there were government overthrows in supposedly stable countries.

We're far from close to a civil war.

aartamen
10-26-2004, 02:04 PM
Grey]
Still not sure how you come to that conclusion. We're not having a civil war over this so it's a moot point anyway.

Oh, come on, it's a common joke. All the guns are on the right.


Here, a required reading on the topic -

http://www.imao.us/archives/002127.html

AFACadet
10-26-2004, 02:14 PM
They don't really have a good grasp of US history. This is one of the most stable parts of our history up to this point.