News in Pictures : War on Terror

[ArmoredDov_D9]

September 22nd 2003, IDF bulldozer eliminates senior Hamas terrorist in Hebron

The Hamas infrastructure in Hebron got a big blow after Basal Qawasameh was killed by an IDF D9 bulldozer.

Qawasameh entered a house using gunthreats and start shooting over IDF forces. An armoured D9 bulldozer was brought to raze down the house while IDF forces returned fire. Short while after the bulldozer started the demolition the gunshots stopped. After searching through the rubbles Basal's corpse was found with a sub-machine gun by his side. He has apparently was crushed under the debris when he refused to surrender when the D9 started working. Beside Qawasameh no one was hurt.

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Israeli tank and army bulldozer demolish a house where a suspected Palestinian militant had taken shelter during a military operation in the West Bank city of Hebron, September 22, 2003. *******/Nayef Hashlamoun

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A Palestinian woman, bottom, stands by Israeli army jeeps as an Israeli army bulldozer finishes up demolishing her house in the West Bank town of Hebron, Monday, Sept. 22, 2003. The troops surrounded the house before dawn Monday and exchanged fire with a gunman holed up inside after he had entered their house and threatened the residents at gunpoint, according to them. Tanks fired several shells and a bulldozer razed the building, with the armed man still inside. Troops later pulled his body from the rubble, but his name was not immediately known. (AP Photo/Saed Shiyoukhi)

Basal Qawasameh is the 4th senior Hamas terrorist from Hebron to be killed by IDF force in the last couple of months. Preceded him his relative Abedalla Qawasameh and Hamed Bader and his assistant.

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[ibstolidude]

are you sure they aren't airsoft'ers?

:|

[ArmoredDov_D9]

They are not good riflemen but a crude butchers who send brainwashed Plestinians to blow themselve in Israeli buses. They are responsible to the death of dozens of Israelis. The 3 were involved in planning the Jerusalem Line 2 massacre on the 19.8.2003 and many other terror attacks against Israelis. Qawasameh alone was involved in terror attacks that murdered 55 Israelis, including serveral bus bombings.

[usa320]

nothing like fried terrorist in the morning...prefferably extra crispy.

:fork:

[He219]

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An Israeli tank and army jeep demolish a house where a suspected Palestinian militant had taken shelter in the West Bank city of Hebron September 22, 2003. Israeli forces killed a Palestinian militant on Monday after besieging the house. A ******* reporter saw a body pulled from the rubble with a machinegun next to it and Palestinian security sources said the dead man was a member of the militant Hamas group.

[Mortimer]

so that guy entered a house.....someone he didn't know, so they level it?
what about the people who own the house?
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its ONE guy....lol they'd rather **** someone who doesn't have anything to do with it then send in a special ops team?

good way to promote peace....stuff people who may have previously been on the israeli side....now they've probably created more terrorists

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Sorry, Mortimer, but human-life are more important than a pile of bricks.

[Chris1]

Seriously, politics aside, what happens to the owner of the house?
If they were just unlucky and this cnut chose their house to run into, would they recieve any kind of compensation?

[citizen-k]

Seriously, politics aside, what happens to the owner of the house?
If they were just unlucky and this cnut chose their house to run into, would they recieve any kind of compensation?

If they have nothing to do with the man hiding in it - YES!

If it's their son - it's their problem.

[Chris1]

righty, thanks.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Seriously, politics aside, what happens to the owner of the house?
If they were just unlucky and this cnut chose their house to run into, would they recieve any kind of compensation?

Since this family (in this case) has reported to IDF forces about the terrorist who barricaded himself in - they should get compensation from Israel as appriciation for their collaberation against terror and to encourage others to do so.

Otherwise, and this is backed by International Laws, the resonspebility of compensate those who their house was destroyed due to terrorist activity (i.e. the IDF demolished it because there were terrorists inside) lies on those who made the house a combatant stronghold (the terrorists). Or in other words, the terrorists who took over the house are the one who should compensate the house-owner.

[citizen-k]

are you sure they aren't airsoft'ers?

:|

Maybe, but now you reffer to them as "air-missiled" ;)

[ArmoredDov_D9]

are you sure they aren't airsoft'ers?

:|

Maybe, but now you reffer to them as "air-missiled" ;)

Actually, they were taken out by ground troops.

[Ichhabe]

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And no fingers on the trigger. Seems like well trained guys... :D

[Fargin]

I have a hard time telling the good from the bad in the Israel/Palestine war on terror.

[Seoulstriker]

I have a hard time telling the good from the bad in the Israel/Palestine war on terror.

Palestinian Terrorists/People want the complete destruction of Israel (genocide). Israel wants national security and to kill the people who kill Israeli civilians. Palestinians kill Israeli civilians as a "step" towards genocide.

[Loco]

Palestinian Terrorists/People want the complete destruction of Israel (genocide). Israel wants national security and to kill the people who kill Israeli civilians. Palestinians kill Israeli civilians as a "step" towards genocide.
That is plain false, so is biased the title of this subject: "The war on terror". It must be terrifying, and humiliating, living under a military force of about 4.000 soldiers who protect 400 armed fannatic settlers in the middle of a foreing city.
The meaning of genocide are acts needed to exterminate the lifes or the way of life of a whole people, and in this zone, the only people who saw their way of life finished, are palestinians, who were expelled from their lands and villages 57 years agos and still now, and their lands are occupied by people coming from Russia, Ukraine, Argentine, etc etc. XIX century finished 103 years ago.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Genocide? Are you insane? That's realy a blood libel.

[Loco]

Genocide? Are you insane? That's realy a blood libel.
Yes, I´m insane. In fact, I firmly believe palestine people are violent by nature, they have violence and crime in their veins. The good behavior is being expelled by foreings of tyour ancestor´s land and living in a cartoon hut and smile to everybody.

[Seoulstriker]

Palestinian Terrorists/People want the complete destruction of Israel (genocide). Israel wants national security and to kill the people who kill Israeli civilians. Palestinians kill Israeli civilians as a "step" towards genocide.
That is plain false, so is biased the title of this subject: "The war on terror". It must be terrifying, and humiliating, living under a military force of about 4.000 soldiers who protect 400 armed fannatic settlers in the middle of a foreing city.
The meaning of genocide are acts needed to exterminate the lifes or the way of life of a whole people, and in this zone, the only people who saw their way of life finished, are palestinians, who were expelled from their lands and villages 57 years agos and still now, and their lands are occupied by people coming from Russia, Ukraine, Argentine, etc etc. XIX century finished 103 years ago.

Loco, you are really crazy. You are living in your own little world of ignorance. Palestinian schools teach the children from a very early age that Israel has no right to exist and that the land known as "Palestine" is from their present location to the mediterranean sea.

Children from a very early age learn that the Israelis are evil and that they are oppressing the Palestinians (which is clearly not true). Israel is acting out of its desire for national security. These terrorists, who were indoctrinated with the language of hate, are doing everything in their power to kill as many Israelis, innocent Israelis, as possible. They will stop nothing short of genocide (killing every single Israeli they can).

Why do you say "the Palestinians were expelled from their lands and villages"? The Palestinians are NOMADS and they did not settle the land known as Israel. They moved back and forth inside the land.

If you recount history during the 1940s and 1950s, the Palestinians had almost no problem with the Israelis moving in. Only until the land was becoming prosperous and they were slowly being instructed to destroy Israel did they start to want their "own state".

[IDFM203]

If you recount history during the 1940s and 1950s, the Palestinians had almost no problem with the Israelis moving in. Only until the land was becoming prosperous and they were slowly being instructed to destroy Israel did they start to want their "own state".

I just have to make one correction here. First of all there were plenty Jews that were already living there from way before these dates. So it wasn’t like Jews only came in there in the 1940's

Secondly Jews were being killed there by the Arabs way before those dates as well. The 1929 massacre of around a hundred Jewish man women and children is just one example that comes quickly to mind.

[Seoulstriker]

If you recount history during the 1940s and 1950s, the Palestinians had almost no problem with the Israelis moving in. Only until the land was becoming prosperous and they were slowly being instructed to destroy Israel did they start to want their "own state".

I just have to make one correction here. First of all there were plenty Jews that were already living there from way before these dates. So it wasn’t like Jews only came in there in the 1940's

Secondly Jews were being killed there by the Arabs way before those dates as well. The 1929 massacre of around a hundred Jewish man women and children is just one example that comes quickly to mind.


my bad. I should have said that the creation of the Israeli state was not immediately a 'big' problem for the palestinians. Only later did they initiate the intifada.

[Loco]

Yes, I´m an ignorant living in a little world of ingnorants. Only I can´t ignore the fact the most of palestinians were peasents living in houses, not in tents, and even if they were nomads this is not and valid argument for expelling of their lands, is a valid argument for the afrikaans or the white men of XIX. You can continue with this endless talk. Hundred thousands of palestinians were expelled by your parents of their home 50 years ago.

[IDFM203]

Yes, I´m an ignorant living in a little world of ingnorants. Only I can´t ignore the fact the most of palestinians were peasents living in houses, not in tents, and even if they were nomads this is not and valid argument for expelling of their lands, is a valid argument for the afrikaans or the white men of XIX. You can continue with this endless talk. Hundred thousands of palestinians were expelled by your parents of their home 50 years ago.
No they fled on their own after a defeat of a war that they and their brethren started in order to wipe out all the Jews.

I will just repost here what I posted in another thread.


The total number of those who fled in 1948 is estimated to have been about 650,000. Now the number who wish to return has swollen to almost five million!
How did this exodus come about? In 1948, on the day of the proclamation of the State of Israel, five Arab armies invaded the new country from all sides. In frightful radio broadcasts, they urged the Arabs living there to leave, so that the invading armies could operate without interference. They could return after the expected quick victory in that "holy war," get their property back -- and that of the Jews. Things turned out differently. The invading armies were defeated. Those who had left became refugees -- people without a country. Those who stayed, and their children, are full-fledged citizens of the State of Israel.
These so-called "Palestinian refugees" have not been allowed to settle in the "indivisible Arab nation." They have been supported in camps since 1948. So far, close to $1.8 billion has been spent on their maintenance. No end is in sight. Who pays for that? You guessed it: Through UNWRA Relief, the United States contributes more than 60% of the total cost.
The Arab countries, among them some of the richest in the world who fritter away their enormous fortunes on undreamed luxuries, are satisfied to leave their Arab brethren in those miserable camps. They have never contributed a penny to their maintenance.
Oh and there is Another side of the "refugee" story. Little is heard of the 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who fled those countries to settle in the newly formed Jewish State of Israel. Every one of these refugees was immediately accepted, resettled, taken care of, and given full citizenship by the fledgling, impoverished, and embattled Jewish State. There never has been, and there certainly is not now, a Jewish "refugee" camp in Israel or anywhere else.
The Arab "refugees" who fled Israel left little wealth and little history, since most of them had not come to "Palestine" until Jewish settlers opened economic opportunities in what had been a desolate country for centuries. But the Jews of Arab lands have a history going back thousands of years. When forced to flee, they left behind land, wealth, and a long history. They arrived in Israel, quite literally only "with their shirts on their backs." They now make up almost 60% of the vibrant and productive population of Israel. What have the Arabs, the richest people in the world, done with their "refugees" in more than 50 years? They have kept them in misery, on the dole of the world, and have taught their hopeless youth the "skills" of suicide missions and of slaughtering defenseless and unarmed men, women, and children.

[Loco]

Too many words for such a short question. I don´t know why you give the responsability of feeding palestinians to irak, egiptian or saudies people. A palestinian must live in his land, not in the land you decide to live. But I´m only an ignorant and believer in rules valids for everywhere.

[IDFM203]

Too many words for such a short question. I don´t know why you give the responsability of feeding palestinians to irak, egiptian or saudies people. A palestinian must live in his land, not in the land you decide to live. But I´m only an ignorant and believer in rules valids for everywhere. Well it’s not for me to say whose responsible for them but I sure as hell know it’s not Israel who should be responsible. I mean Israel is not responsible for them leaving on their own after the false promises of their brethren were not to be true. Israel is not the one who started a war. Israel is not the one who wanted to see all Jews killed. Israel is not the one who told the Palestinians living there that they should leave for they will be victories.

No it was their Arab brethren who said all this so now the responsibility should be on them. But of course they neglect them, so now the world is taking care of what their Arab brethren should have been doing


And why you are calling yourself ignorant without anyone accusing you of that I will never know. I guess you know more about yourself better then anyone of us.

[Loco]

And why you are calling yourself ignorant without anyone accusing you of that I will never know. I guess you know more about yourself better then anyone of us.
Seoulstriker accused me of that, it seems I read more than you. No tengo nada más que decir. Baltasar Gracian dixit: "Lo bueno, si breve 2 veces bueno". Bye.

[IDFM203]

And why you are calling yourself ignorant without anyone accusing you of that I will never know. I guess you know more about yourself better then anyone of us.
Seoulstriker accused me of that, it seems I read more than you. No tengo nada más que decir. Baltasar Gracian dixit: "Lo bueno, si breve 2 veces bueno". Bye. Well I didn’t accuse you of anything and you said the same thing to me.

Now I don’t know what you just said and I can only guess it is some insult or personal attack. (Its come to that on this site where the benefit of the doubt lies that it is a personal attack)

But the fact that you cant answer what I write where instead you just spew your Spanish here only tells me how weak you arguments were.


Ok bye…… woot

[Seoulstriker]

Right on IDFM!!!

[Loco]

Well I didn’t accuse you of anything and you said the same thing to me.

Now I don’t know what you just said and I can only guess it is some insult or personal attack. (Its come to that on this site where the benefit of the doubt lies that it is a personal attack)

But the fact that you cant answer what I write where instead you just spew your Spanish here only tells me how weak you arguments were.


Ok bye…… woot
If you don´t know what I´m saying, all what you must do is shuting your mouth, it´s you the one insulting to other people. I don´t spew spanish, I talk spanish, but if you spew in hebrew and you want to teach me, I´m ready to learn, but you don´t think every body is like you. You must not insult other people with other point of view and you must not say what you wouldn´t say face to face. Boy, you really must be paid for enemies of Isreal, you don´t do good propaganda of that country.
And to Seoulstriker, you go on applauding with your ears.

[IDFM203]

If you don´t know what I´m saying, all what you must do is shuting your mouth, .of course I don’t know what your saying becouse you spoke Spanish on an English web forum. Get that English language forum!!! if you can’t write English then it is you that should not be here (on an English language forum). It is not for me to understand your Spanish here.



it´s you the one insulting to other people. . I didnt insult you anywhere. Where did I insult you?!? In fact is was you who had insulted me albeit a small one with the lame, “I read more then you” insult.

Again what did you say in Spanish that you wrote directed towards me. Like I said before. The benefit of the doubt lies in that what you wrote in Spanish was an insult.
To clear it up, how about you translate if for me here. Ok?!?


You must not insult other people with other point of view and you must not say what you wouldn´t say face to face. . first of all I dont go out insulting people. No, if there have been any insults in my posts they have been in response to ones being thrown at me. I mean I do have the right to respond in kind.


Boy, you really must be paid for enemies of Isreal, you don´t do good propaganda of that country. no I don’t do propaganda. Everything I have brought down are facts or that of what I have experienced and seen or what my fellow Israelis have seen and experienced.

No, propaganda is what you and some of your soul mates here do.

Oh and whether I am doing a good job in defending Israel or not is not really up for me to say. I mean besides the numerous emails and IM’s I get in support, all I can say is that I am posting what I know is to be the truth and its that truth that I will stick by no matter if you like it or not.

Oh and I have yet to have heard a counter argument to what I have posted before. All you have done is to avoid that issue and in fact I thought that you had said goodbye?!? If you are back then please respond to the counter argument that I had brought down in response to you original post.