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He219
09-23-2003, 01:29 PM
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Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabiya banned from reporting for two weeks: council

It said the action was taken as a warning to the stations and other broadcasters for allegedly inciting anti-US violence, but stopped short of closing their Baghdad bureaus as announced earlier by a government spokesman.

"Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya will temporarily be excluded from any coverage of Governing Council activities or official press conferences, and correspondents of the two channels will not be allowed to enter ministries or government offices for two weeks," it said....

"For promoting political violence, promoting killing of members of the Governing Council, promoting killing of members of the U.S. coalition, putting on their screens videotapes of terrorists."


More Here (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030923/wl_nm/iraq_media_dc_2) and Here (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030923/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_media_suspend_030923141229).

See Aljazeera's (http://english.aljazeera.net/Articles/News/ArabWorld/US-backed+council+bans+Arab+TV+stations.htm) views.

spier
09-23-2003, 02:10 PM
Oh well, I wasn't expecting democracy in Iraq anyway. Bring on the puppets!

Trigger
09-23-2003, 02:36 PM
Oh well, I wasn't expecting democracy in Iraq anyway.
And you're sure not going to get it from Al Jism! Bring on the leftist babble!

spier
09-23-2003, 02:45 PM
Do you know what is considered to be one of the most important aspects of democracy? Of course you don't, you are American, but I'll tell you: Freedom of speech.

"I disagree with everything you say, but I will defend to
death your right to say it." and all that..

martinexsquaddie
09-23-2003, 02:54 PM
thats a really clever way to promote Democracy Ban Media that disagree with you :( . Next time it will be the BBC bit embarrasing banning them seeing as you have british troops on the ground :|
But then george still has'nt mastered the DARK ARTS OF pr

usa320
09-23-2003, 03:53 PM
Sheesh.... Al Jazeera?

How does that promote domocracy.


rofl

Haiw
09-23-2003, 04:02 PM
well, tho u might not agree with everything they say at Al-Jazeera its bull**** to just shut em down like that....freedom of speech and freedom of press are 2 things that are at the basis of democracy, and the only countries i can recall where those are not honoured are countries with opressed people and dictatory regimes...

jdbjdb
09-23-2003, 04:03 PM
Sheesh.... Al Jazeera?

How does that promote domocracy
It promotes state controled media

ibstolidude
09-23-2003, 04:08 PM
Do you know what is considered to be one of the most important aspects of democracy? Of course you don't, you are American, but I'll tell you: Freedom of speech.

"I disagree with everything you say, but I will defend to
death your right to say it." and all that..

Actually since many choose to use the American model as the butt of your jokes I am certain that you understand that the concept of "terroristic threatening & criminal harassement" (not related to the common usage of terrorism) is not covered by Free Speech and is actually considered a deterrant and inhibitor of other's rights...

but I'm sure you tool that into consideration when you spouted off your jokes.

spier
09-23-2003, 04:42 PM
So you consider al Jazeera and al Arabiya as "terroristic threatening"? Hm, checked http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage for some "terroristic threatening" material, first article I read:
Death and injuries in UN car bomb

Monday 22 September 2003, 10:46 Makka Time, 7:46 GMT

A car bomb has exploded in a car park near the United Nations headquarters in central Baghdad, killing the driver and at least one person.

Nearly 20 people were also wounded in the explosion which occurred near the Canal Hotel on Monday morning, a US soldier said.

Witnesses told ******* there was at least one person killed in the blast, which US military sources confirmed had been caused by a resistance fighter driving a car bomb.

The attack came a day after two American soldiers were killed in a mortar attack and a third died from a roadside bomb blast in the latest strikes against US occupation forces in Iraq.

Critically wounded

It also came on the eve of the annual United Nations General Assembly in New York, which an Iraqi delegation had been due to attend.

One of those due to represent Iraq at the assembly, Iraqi Governing Council member Akila al-Hashemi, was critically wounded on Saturday in an attack in Baghdad.

The blast happened at about 8.10am (0410 GMT), 250 metres (yards) from the United Nations headquarters, and destroyed at least six other vehicles.

The resistance fighter drove into the UN car park and was stopped by an Iraqi security guard before reaching the parking lot's main checkpoint.

It is thought the attacker had changed his target because of the security in place around the UN building.

In August an attack on the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad killed Sergio Vieira de Mello, the UN's top envoy to Iraq, among more than 20 people who died in the bombing.

Rising toll

Rising violence has put US President George Bush under pressure at home and Washington is urging other countries to send troops to Iraq to help keep the peace after the war that toppled Saddam Hussein in April.

Since Bush declared major combat over on 1 May, 79 US soldiers have been killed in hostile incidents in Iraq. Apart from labeling the attacker as "resistance fighter" then I don't see what is so threatening about it.. :roll:

IDFM203
09-23-2003, 04:49 PM
So you consider al Jazeera and al Arabiya as "terroristic threatening"? Hm, checked http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage for some "terroristic threatening" material, first article I read: Apart from labeling the attacker as "resistance fighter" then I don't see what is so threatening about it.. :roll: Boy you really are a study for how successful the Arab propaganda is. Yes you read the English version and that’s what they want you to do. In fact that is made for western eyes like you. Now I guarantee you that what they are saying in Arabic is a whole lot different then those nice and simple characterizations that you have read in the English one.

Boy you read the English one as your proof of their innocence..rofl rofl

spier
09-23-2003, 05:06 PM
No evidence presented, except that you , the zionist, can "guarantee" me that it is a fact. How strange.

I belive this to be obligatory: Get off my internet, idiot.

IDFM203
09-23-2003, 05:23 PM
No evidence presented, except that you , the zionist, can "guarantee" me that it is a fact. How strange.. yeah here is my evidence, now go read it you moran...........http://www.aljazeera.net/


I belive this to be obligatory: Get off my internet, idiot. get off your internet?!? rofl rofl And your arguing here for free speech?!? What a true Moran you are…. rofl

Oh and again. The only idiot here is the one who brings down the English bull**** as proof of this channels innocence. What an idiot you are. :bash:

spier
09-23-2003, 05:27 PM
HOLY ****! The internet is a democracy!? :roll:

Anyway, "moran", try to present something in a language that I can read, it might help your credebility. Assuming you had any in the first place..

Trigger
09-23-2003, 05:32 PM
spier wrote:

try to present something in a language that I can read
next you'll ask us to write it for you in crayon :fork:

spier
09-23-2003, 05:36 PM
Are you serious?

??? ???? ??????????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???????
???? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????????. ??? ???? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?????Can you read that? Didn't think so, idiot. (especially hard since this forum appearantly doesn't handle arabic to well..)

Trigger
09-23-2003, 05:40 PM
yeah, it says: question mark question mark question mark spier is an idiot question mark question mark question mark...etc

IDFM203
09-23-2003, 05:45 PM
HOLY ****! The internet is a democracy!? :roll:

Anyway, "moran", try to present something in a language that I can read, it might help your credebility. Assuming you had any in the first place.. What a Moran you are......... that’s the whole point. You asked for evidence and I showed it you. Its not my fault that you cant read that evidence.

You see the whole point is that the English site was created for gullible morons such as yourself in order to read their bull**** when in actuality to their billion Muslim audience they are completely saying something radically different all while knowing that you cant read that but that being the Moran that you are, will defend them based on what you read in English which is what they intended for you to do.

Your clear stupidly is truly shining for all to see here. And your questioning my credibility rofl rofl rofl rofl

spier
09-23-2003, 05:46 PM
You see the whole point is that the English site was created for gullible morons such as yourself in order to read their bull**** when in actuality to their billion Muslim audience they are completely saying something radically different all while knowing that you cant read that but that being the Moran that you are, will defend them based on what you read in English which is what they intended for you to do.lProve it.

IDFM203
09-23-2003, 05:49 PM
You see the whole point is that the English site was created for gullible morons such as yourself in order to read their bull**** when in actuality to their billion Muslim audience they are completely saying something radically different all while knowing that you cant read that but that being the Moran that you are, will defend them based on what you read in English which is what they intended for you to do.lProve it.yeah agian here it is http://www.aljazeera.net/ Yep it’s all there and it is definitely different from the English version.

boy you are as thick as you are stupid :bash:

spier
09-23-2003, 05:50 PM
You see the whole point is that the English site was created for gullible morons such as yourself in order to read their bull**** when in actuality to their billion Muslim audience they are completely saying something radically different all while knowing that you cant read that but that being the Moran that you are, will defend them based on what you read in English which is what they intended for you to do.lProve it.yeah agian here it is http://www.aljazeera.net/ Yep it?s all there and it is definitely different from the English version.

boy you are as thick as you are stupid :bash:In other words, you can't prove it.

Go away.

IDFM203
09-23-2003, 05:55 PM
You see the whole point is that the English site was created for gullible morons such as yourself in order to read their bull**** when in actuality to their billion Muslim audience they are completely saying something radically different all while knowing that you cant read that but that being the Moran that you are, will defend them based on what you read in English which is what they intended for you to do.lProve it.yeah agian here it is http://www.aljazeera.net/ Yep it?s all there and it is definitely different from the English version.

boy you are as thick as you are stupid :bash:In other words, you can't prove it.

Go away.What the F**k is wrong with you. Not only are you as thick as you are stupid but I see now you are as blind as well. Again here is my proof..http://www.aljazeera.net/ its all there in front of you.

Now if you don’t want to read and comprehend the proof, then it is you that should buzz off to the little hole that you came from.

spier
09-23-2003, 05:56 PM
You see the whole point is that the English site was created for gullible morons such as yourself in order to read their bull**** when in actuality to their billion Muslim audience they are completely saying something radically different all while knowing that you cant read that but that being the Moran that you are, will defend them based on what you read in English which is what they intended for you to do.lProve it.yeah agian here it is http://www.aljazeera.net/ Yep it?s all there and it is definitely different from the English version.

boy you are as thick as you are stupid :bash:In other words, you can't prove it.

Go away.What the F**k is wrong with you. Not only are you as thick as you are stupid but I see now you are as blind as well. Again here is my proof..http://www.aljazeera.net/ its all there in front of you.

Now if you don?t want to read and comprehend the proof, then it is you that should buzz off to the little hole that you came from.Can you comprehend what you are posting? If you want to convince me then all you have to do is read me the headlines. A small price to pay, no?

IDFM203
09-23-2003, 06:00 PM
You see the whole point is that the English site was created for gullible morons such as yourself in order to read their bull**** when in actuality to their billion Muslim audience they are completely saying something radically different all while knowing that you cant read that but that being the Moran that you are, will defend them based on what you read in English which is what they intended for you to do.lProve it.yeah agian here it is http://www.aljazeera.net/ Yep it?s all there and it is definitely different from the English version.

boy you are as thick as you are stupid :bash:In other words, you can't prove it.

Go away.What the F**k is wrong with you. Not only are you as thick as you are stupid but I see now you are as blind as well. Again here is my proof..http://www.aljazeera.net/ its all there in front of you.

Now if you don?t want to read and comprehend the proof, then it is you that should buzz off to the little hole that you came from.Can you comprehend what you are posting? If you want to convince me then all you have to do is read me the headlines. A small price to pay, no? No, it’s impossible convincing a Moran. I posted the evidence and you simply refute with bull**** and your simple reading of the English version. The evidence is there and you are just proving my point in not even trying in comprehending it but instead merely clinging on to what you read in their English version as your proof of this stations innocence.

Fargin
09-23-2003, 06:05 PM
I get flashbacks from the echo vally.

-Prooooove it

-ooove it

-ove it

-Same lame link

-ame lame link

-ame link

Durring the war Danish media gave AL more credit than Fox.

spier
09-23-2003, 06:10 PM
Oh well, I gave you a chance at least. I found an Arabic translator:
A George Bush and the French failure American President Jacques Chirac threw Klmteehma in front of General Assembly for United Nations after in a their disagreement settlement regarding Iraq during conversations in New York. And Chirac to Iraqi claims while Bush sees a non necessity in an identification the timed for moving table Tsraa in that with the confirmation on a help necessity countries in 'Iaaada 'L'iaamar. Bad translation, but it wasn't exactly a call to jihad.. :roll:

Here is a tool, see if you can find something to back up your conspiracy theory: http://www.1-800-translate.com/services/freecomputer/freecompwiz.asp

Good luck, although hunting for non-existant evidence usually only require a bit of creative thinking...

IDFM203
09-23-2003, 06:53 PM
Oh well, I gave you a chance at least. I found an Arabic translator:
A George Bush and the French failure American President Jacques Chirac threw Klmteehma in front of General Assembly for United Nations after in a their disagreement settlement regarding Iraq during conversations in New York. And Chirac to Iraqi claims while Bush sees a non necessity in an identification the timed for moving table Tsraa in that with the confirmation on a help necessity countries in 'Iaaada 'L'iaamar. Bad translation, but it wasn't exactly a call to jihad.. :roll:

Here is a tool, see if you can find something to back up your conspiracy theory: http://www.1-800-translate.com/services/freecomputer/freecompwiz.asp

Good luck, although hunting for non-existant evidence usually only require a bit of creative thinking... first of all even in you one translation we see differences in the English version. I never said that in that one particular article there was a call for jihad. All I said was that there are major differences in the English and Arabic versions.

Listen I dont have time to go over every single statement for there are too much transcripts to go over, but here is just some of the reportings that this channel has had.

an interview with KKK leader David Duke;

• an interview with French Holocaust-denier Robert Faurisson, who testified for Nazi apologist Ernst Zundel at two of his Canadian trials;

• a statement by a Saudi cleric saying “Jews are the most despicable people… worms… all evil.”

• an interview with a mufti who said “there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holiday [sic] of Passover and Purim.”

• a statement by Sheikh Yousif Al-Karadawi of Al-Jazeera’s own Sharia and Life program that “every man has the right to blow himself up inside this [Israeli] military society.”

• an e-mail read on the Al-Jazeera program The Opposite Direction that “[Jews are] the descendants of apes and pigs [who] will not be deterred unless there is a true Holocaust that will exterminate all of them at once.”

Now all that is not merely a different and alternative view but it is rather a hate filled agenda that any reputable media organisation wouldn’t dare broadcast. No, al jazeera is a racist and provoking television station and for you to actually believe that what they say in English and in Arabic are the same is to truly not have a real grasp on reality.

Trigger
09-23-2003, 07:07 PM
This is the part where ibstolidude starts punching himself in the face.

budanski
09-23-2003, 07:31 PM
No evidence presented, except that you , the zionist, can "guarantee" me that it is a fact. How strange.

I belive this to be obligatory: Get off my internet, idiot.

Ah yes, the ever popular jew wild card :roll:

Don't waste your time with this troll

Back to the subject... Well, when you are on Saddam Hussein's payroll, their are consequences when the people of Iraq gain political power...just ask the French.

I can see why the new Iraqi government is moving to ban Al Jazeera as a propoganda source. CIA created fake mullahs (http://english.aljazeera.net/Articles/News/ArabWorld/CIA+created+fake+mullahs.htm)

jdbjdb
09-23-2003, 07:43 PM
Alot of arabs cry because America takes Israel side, and they point the finger at the American media for being biased on Israel's part, I don't recall any arab media that sides with Israel, and yes the arab media tells America one thing in english, and then tells a different story in arabic.

budanski
09-23-2003, 07:53 PM
The Islamization of Europe continues... (http://media.guardian.co.uk/iraqandthemedia/story/0,12823,921694,00.html)

Gordon
09-23-2003, 10:05 PM
The Westernization of the Middle East continues ... sorry I don't have a link but it's bloody obvious.

P.S. as budanski said, don't waste your time with spier there's far more rewarding people to waste your time with ... ;)

ibstolidude
09-23-2003, 10:13 PM
tonight I try kicking myself in the teeth.

Seiyuuki
09-24-2003, 01:58 AM
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Jack Mehoff
09-24-2003, 02:05 AM
well, tho u might not agree with everything they say at Al-Jazeera its bull**** to just shut em down like that....freedom of speech and freedom of press are 2 things that are at the basis of democracy, and the only countries i can recall where those are not honoured are countries with opressed people and dictatory regimes...

It's not Al-jazeera saying take up arms, it's Saddam and they are showing his tapes. Just like you can't get on ABC and say rise up Americans and slay the evil congress and the foul infidel president. You'd get a very interesting and lengthy meeting with the Secret Service for your troubles, and most likely a nice incarceration to boot. It's not about showing violence, it's about advocating insurrection.

Beowulf
09-24-2003, 03:20 AM
well, tho u might not agree with everything they say at Al-Jazeera its bull**** to just shut em down like that....freedom of speech and freedom of press are 2 things that are at the basis of democracy, and the only countries i can recall where those are not honoured are countries with opressed people and dictatory regimes...

It's not Al-jazeera saying take up arms, it's Saddam and they are showing his tapes. Just like you can't get on ABC and say rise up Americans and slay the evil congress and the foul infidel president. You'd get a very interesting and lengthy meeting with the Secret Service for your troubles, and most likely a nice incarceration to boot. It's not about showing violence, it's about advocating insurrection.

hear hear

martinexsquaddie
09-24-2003, 04:25 AM
Unfortunatly only a very gullable person would take a Translation From an arabic site From a member of the IDF at face value. ITs not like you'd want us to trust a Hamas translation of and IDF FIsh manual
FISH fighting in someones House :)

Fargin
09-24-2003, 07:56 AM
As long as we have CNN and FOX to guarantee a wide and neutral coverage, I can almost sleep at night.

I see trouble ahead.

IDFM203
09-24-2003, 09:29 AM
Unfortunatly only a very gullable person would take a Translation From an arabic site From a member of the IDF at face value. ITs not like you'd want us to trust a Hamas translation of and IDF FIsh manual
FISH fighting in someones House :)Oh I see now the idf and hamas are the same and have the same trust value........wow and you wonder why some of us have some trust issues with you euopeans…

First of all that is not my translation.
I mean how typical to ignore the trute of al jazeera simply because its a Jew telling it.

No al this is from documented translations by professionals that study that channel. there is no dispute that this is all true. Not even from al jazeera.....

an interview with KKK leader David Duke;

• an interview with French Holocaust-denier Robert Faurisson, who testified for Nazi apologist Ernst Zundel at two of his Canadian trials;

• a statement by a Saudi cleric saying “Jews are the most despicable people… worms… all evil.”

• an interview with a mufti who said “there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holiday [sic] of Passover and Purim.”

• a statement by Sheikh Yousif Al-Karadawi of Al-Jazeera’s own Sharia and Life program that “every man has the right to blow himself up inside this [Israeli] military society.”

• an e-mail read on the Al-Jazeera program The Opposite Direction that “[Jews are] the descendants of apes and pigs [who] will not be deterred unless there is a true Holocaust that will exterminate all of them at once.”

Now all that is not merely a different and alternative view but it is rather a hate filled agenda that any reputable media organisation wouldn’t dare broadcast. No, al jazeera is a racist and provoking television station and for you to actually believe that what they say in English and in Arabic are the same is to truly not have a real grasp on reality.


But of course you only read the English version and never saw this, sooo noooooooooooooooo al jazeera is in your eyes totally innocent.. I means again English versi..blah blah blah…..

martinexsquaddie
09-24-2003, 03:00 PM
I'm sorry if I implied that
But as probably the only arabic speaker on this site and a member of the IDF your not exactly independent.
would you take the British armys spokesmans for a view on NI or the BBC

IDFM203
09-24-2003, 03:03 PM
I'm sorry if I implied that
But as probably the only arabic speaker on this site and a member of the IDF your not exactly independent.
would you take the British armys spokesmans for a view on NI or the BBCYes I agree with you on the principle of it (of my bias which has me side with Israel)...it still doesn’t mean that what I brought down didn’t happen. No, what I brought down are factual things that have happened on that racist station.

spier
09-24-2003, 05:00 PM
first of all even in you one translation we see differences in the English version. I never said that in that one particular article there was a call for jihad. All I said was that there are major differences in the English and Arabic versions.

Listen I dont have time to go over every single statement for there are too much transcripts to go over, but here is just some of the reportings that this channel has had.

an interview with KKK leader David Duke;

? an interview with French Holocaust-denier Robert Faurisson, who testified for Nazi apologist Ernst Zundel at two of his Canadian trials;

? a statement by a Saudi cleric saying ?Jews are the most despicable people? worms? all evil.?

? an interview with a mufti who said ?there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holiday [sic] of Passover and Purim.?

? a statement by Sheikh Yousif Al-Karadawi of Al-Jazeera?s own Sharia and Life program that ?every man has the right to blow himself up inside this [Israeli] military society.?

? an e-mail read on the Al-Jazeera program The Opposite Direction that ?[Jews are] the descendants of apes and pigs [who] will not be deterred unless there is a true Holocaust that will exterminate all of them at once.?

Now all that is not merely a different and alternative view but it is rather a hate filled agenda that any reputable media organisation wouldn?t dare broadcast. No, al jazeera is a racist and provoking television station and for you to actually believe that what they say in English and in Arabic are the same is to truly not have a real grasp on reality.Ah, now you don't want to show me any proof because it is "too much" for you. And the "quotes", or whatever they are, lack sources, making their them worth: NOTHING! (+/-) Meaning that we are back to square one, well almost back to square one, since you have now proven yourself as a true idiot.

Found this btw. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/24/israel.pilots/index.html rofl

Seoulstriker
09-24-2003, 05:08 PM
"For promoting political violence, promoting killing of members of the Governing Council, promoting killing of members of the U.S. coalition, putting on their screens videotapes of terrorists."


ummmm... some people consider that boycotting Al-Jazeera when they incite violence is the equivalent of denied freedom of speech....

Eurotrash: go **** yourselves.

spier
09-24-2003, 05:22 PM
"For promoting political violence, promoting killing of members of the Governing Council, promoting killing of members of the U.S. coalition, putting on their screens videotapes of terrorists."


ummmm... some people consider that boycotting Al-Jazeera when they incite violence is the equivalent of denied freedom of speech....

Eurotrash: go f*** yourselves.And exactly how do they "incite violence"? By airing tapes from Saddam and al Qaida 15mins before Fox news?

Bootneck
09-24-2003, 05:40 PM
[quote]Eurotrash: go f*** yourselves.

I'll second that.

It's sad to say but I'm just waiting for the day when the Euros find out that all their appeasement and 'understanding' was for naught and they get bit by their own Islamo-fascist 'freedom fighters'. Of course, they'll probably just blame the Jews...

When Spier showed up as the lead element of leftist Euro invasion it marked the beginning of the end of what was once a great web site.

I'm outta here. Thanks for what it was Hood.

spier
09-24-2003, 06:06 PM
Funny thing is, I AM NOT EVEN LEFTIST! rofl As I tried to explain earlier, I only take the opposite stand from all of you for..ehm..amusement.

Trigger
09-24-2003, 06:10 PM
sounds like you need a girlfriend :fork:

Argyll
09-24-2003, 06:10 PM
Em.................. I think you'll find that Europe has suffered from "terrorism" for a lot longer than you'd think,perhaps not from Islamic Fanatics,but terrorists none the less,we've had to deal with this long before the US had its wake up call,a terrorist is still a terrorist despite his religious beliefs!!!!!
This is not a leftist view this is fact!!

spier
09-24-2003, 06:16 PM
sounds like you need a girlfriend :fork:That's one of the weaker comebacks of the day.. :roll:

(you know, since you seem to be in the same situation..)

Not to mention that you got 2.94 posts per day, which is almost three times more than me...

Trigger
09-24-2003, 06:19 PM
Yeah I know, it's late, what can I say. ;)

IDFM203
09-25-2003, 12:07 AM
first of all even in you one translation we see differences in the English version. I never said that in that one particular article there was a call for jihad. All I said was that there are major differences in the English and Arabic versions.

Listen I dont have time to go over every single statement for there are too much transcripts to go over, but here is just some of the reportings that this channel has had.

an interview with KKK leader David Duke;

? an interview with French Holocaust-denier Robert Faurisson, who testified for Nazi apologist Ernst Zundel at two of his Canadian trials;

? a statement by a Saudi cleric saying ?Jews are the most despicable people? worms? all evil.?

? an interview with a mufti who said ?there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holiday [sic] of Passover and Purim.?

? a statement by Sheikh Yousif Al-Karadawi of Al-Jazeera?s own Sharia and Life program that ?every man has the right to blow himself up inside this [Israeli] military society.?

? an e-mail read on the Al-Jazeera program The Opposite Direction that ?[Jews are] the descendants of apes and pigs [who] will not be deterred unless there is a true Holocaust that will exterminate all of them at once.?

Now all that is not merely a different and alternative view but it is rather a hate filled agenda that any reputable media organisation wouldn?t dare broadcast. No, al jazeera is a racist and provoking television station and for you to actually believe that what they say in English and in Arabic are the same is to truly not have a real grasp on reality.Ah, now you don't want to show me any proof because it is "too much" for you. And the "quotes", or whatever they are, lack sources, making their them worth: NOTHING! (+/-) Meaning that we are back to square one, well almost back to square one, since you have now proven yourself as a true idiot.

“aza tipesh”………


no, moron I showed you the original proof. You asked me for proof and I presented the original Arabic and not the English website which is not the same. Ther cant be any better proof then the original source. Now go read it moron….. Now if you don’t want to read that proof, well that’s your problem and not mine

As for what I brought down over here in English..

Since you obviously cant read the original proof then there really is no point in me bringing it down so I have it here in English for your stupid mind to understand………..get it?!?

Oh and here’s some Arabic for you..."anikak, inta sharmoot".....now go back to your 1800 translator bull**** so you can figure that proof out as well.

Gordon
09-25-2003, 02:42 AM
eh .. look mate, the thing is I don't think he can read arabic. Fairplay, i'm sure that the Al-Jazeera website doesn't say the same thing as the Al-Jazeera english website, but, as I'm sure you know, the reason he's giving you a hard time is because he can't translate the arabic ... neither can I and neither can many people on this board.

If you could translate some of it for him then maybe he would get it, or maybe he wouldn't ... who knows. The thing is you've called him a moron for not being able to speak arabic, so, you've basically said everyone who doesn't speak arabic is a moron ... you just haven't told them because they don't disagree with you.

Personally I think the removal of any media on the ground of what they say or print is against the idea of democracy and free speech. If people didn't agree with or sympathise with what was written by the "far out" press then there wouldn't be a market for it and hence it would probably cease to exist ... unless bankrolled by someone extremely rich who didn't mind making a loss, which opens up the issue that Al-Jazeera and like media are bankrolled by someone who has lots of money, for a cause.

It still comes down to the fact that people read media that reports like that because that is near to their own viewpoint. You could interpret what they write as inciting terrorism but most of the people who read it or watch it probably already have that viewpoint anyway, regardless of what they watched on last night's news or read in this morning's paper.

One?
09-25-2003, 04:03 AM
Idf203 Al-Jazeera is hated by most arab governments. They are banned from Kuwait, and many other arab countries. The reason is simple.

Al-Jazeera is the most moderate anti arab government TV Network. Most of their shows attack arab leaders and their regimes. Now if you are telling everyone to go on al-jazeera.net and to translate it why don't you do the honors of translating a small article.

Al-Jazeera is hated by the west because it shows the ugly face of war, the inocent civilians that die wether its because of friendly fire or just for the hell of it. You see things that you won't see on CNN.

Yes Al-Jazeera airs bin laden's tapes but hey he likes them for some reason so he sends all his tapes to them. What if bin laden sent his tapes to CNN? Would CNN become an anti american corporation?


Whats with all the hatered to the arabs anyways?

martinexsquaddie
09-25-2003, 04:15 AM
Unfortunatly its a nasty little precident the uk goverment tried it in the 80 s it did'nt work voiceover artists made a living though. . The media does not take kindly to being controlled your better off just sucking it up its not like a terrorist is going to go I'm not on tv i'm not going to attack anyone today.

Saranof
09-25-2003, 06:42 AM
Oh well, I wasn't expecting democracy in Iraq anyway.
And you're sure not going to get it from Al Jism! Bring on the leftist babble!

leftist/ commie/ poo faced falafel chomping freedomhating ragheads

You get the general picture of your level...

ComnGitMe
09-25-2003, 08:46 AM
Let me start off by saying some of you guys are idiots secondly let's get to the truth behind them banning al jazheera was to protect G.I.'s nothing less nothing more. The fact is if they are inciting unrest they have to be squelched for the time being. What people are failing to realize is that unrest in Iraq means some poor american or british 19 and 20 year old is going to die, it's true al-jazheera is brutally honest in showing the casualties of war

However, let's examine that first off how many times have british and american tv stations confirmed the dead as either insurgents or iraqi resistance and then have the people in the towns who harbor them tell al jazheera that the only people killed were innocents. Therein lies the problem stations like this have a tendency at times to allow themselves to be tools for spreading the wrong kind of message in the wrong kind of situation. Don't get me wrong I think to have banned them is rediculous and before some moron yells I am anti arab or something else stupid I do not have anything against arabs my lovely girlfriend who happens to be the mother of my son is Lebanese but lets be serious if these assholes want to shoot and kill people who were trying to help them and then run to arab television stations because they know they will not investigate and just take their word for it what are we supposed to do because remember the more propoganda people use al jazheera and like stations to promote the more idiots decide they want to be freedom fighters against the people who brought them freedom.

Hopefully the ban is only temporary and in the meantime all involved can learn a lesson especially in true freedom of speech and the responsibility of the press

IDFM203
09-25-2003, 10:43 AM
If you could translate some of it for him then maybe he would get it, or maybe he wouldn't ... who knows. The thing is you've called him a moron for not being able to speak arabic, so, you've basically said everyone who doesn't speak arabic is a moron ... you just haven't told them because they don't disagree with you.

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No, everyone who brings the English site as proof of this channels innocence is indeed a moron.
He asked for proof and the proof is only in Arabic. In truth even if I were to translate it, he would still question that translation because it came from me a Jew. All I could do is point to the proof and it is for him to decipher it.


Now Listen up guys. I am trying to show a point here. Yes I know he nor anyone else here cant read Arabic. THATS THE POINT. I wanted to show how ridicules it is to bring down the English version of the website as a defence of a channel where its billion Muslim television audience members only get their information in Arabic!!!!!!!!!

Its ridicules for it is clear that the English site is a pr move for the western world for it is not in any ways targeted to the Muslim world that relies on the Arabic television channel for its news where it gets it in Arabic. its core billion Muslim audience only watches the Arabic TV. To bring what they say in an English website as proof of their innocence is frankly absurd and ridicules not to mention insulting to ones intelligence..

secondly all the internet proof really is moot point for most of it is on TV and not on the net so for most of the Islamic world is not hooked on the net so its the TV that they watch.

Now a lot of researchers have been watching that channel and what I brought down are only some of the racist things that were viewed on that channel. There is no dispute about that. Heck call up al jazeera if you want but what I brought down was fact.

IDFM203
09-25-2003, 10:56 AM
Al-Jazeera is the most moderate anti arab government TV Network. Most of their shows attack arab leaders and their regimes the most moderate in that region does mean that a channel is moderate. The standard that you are comparing this channel to isn’t a high one indeed.



Al-Jazeera is hated by the west because it shows the ugly face of war, the inocent civilians that die wether its because of friendly fire or just for the hell of it. You see things that you won't see on CNN. no. al jazeera is hated by the west because they go past merely showing the brutalities of war to crossing the line sometimes in incitement and clear propaganda. This is all besides the overtly racist things they said about Jews and Israel.(go read what I brought down before.)



Whats with all the hatered to the arabs anyways?whow whow…….. who said anything about the hatred of Arabs here?!?. I never said no such thing. In fact its only you who brought down that phrase. I seriously hope that this isn’t a troll account, for next time you respond, try to do so with out your preconceived misconceptions that I or the Israelis here hate all Arabs. For we don’t!!!.