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OB Kenobi
11-02-2004, 12:40 PM
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Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is a group of veterans who have served since September 11th, 2001 including Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. We are committed to saving lives and ending the violence in Iraq by an immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces. We also believe that the governments that sponsored these wars are indebted to the men and women who were forced to fight them and must give their Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and Airmen the benefits that are owed to them upon their return home.

http://www.ivaw.net/

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Operation Truth is a non-profit 501(c)(4), non-partisan veterans' organization that seeks to amplify the soldiers' voice in the American public dialogue. American servicemen and women have a voice that deserves to be heard; the issues and hardships troops face merit attention. Additionally, American troops have a distinct and important perspective that can influence the American political scene in a powerful way.

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In most of the wars we’ve fought, our leaders have understood our enemies and how to take them down. But in the current shootout – a continuation of the revolutionary fervor first ignited in Algeria in the 1960s, then fanned by the Iranian Revolution, a huge Jihad victory against the Soviets in Afghanistan, Israel’s humiliating withdrawal from Lebanon and its interminable fight in Palestine culminating in 9/11 and our retaliatory invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – America’s leaders from both major parties and our military and intelligence establishments remain in deep denial and blindly continue to believe that because we’ve got the power, we shall overcome.

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HooyahCQB
11-02-2004, 01:42 PM
Yeah, uh, these guys have been going at it several months now...welcome to November 2nd, 2004

2Sheds_Jackson
11-02-2004, 02:22 PM
Yes, I understand that these folks have told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of Iraq in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

aartamen
11-02-2004, 02:39 PM
You can only save the coalition servicemen's lives by withdrawal. And even then only the ones that serve now and then go to live into Antartica.
The resulting overall loss of life will put Lebanon to shame. Though it's hard to call whether it will rival Rwanda or Congo.

RomanS
11-02-2004, 03:08 PM
UMMMMM

If they are against the war, what the fuk are they doing there?

In Russia you got no choice! In US you pick your choice!

Ekie
11-02-2004, 03:50 PM
Yes, I understand that these folks have told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of Iraq in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

Sounds like a future Senator, or maybe a Presidential candidate?

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Kinda makes you wonder if he committed similar acts of atrocities in Iraq?

expat007
11-02-2004, 05:38 PM
Looks like hes committed acts of rear echelon chair warming

VorpalDoom
11-02-2004, 06:09 PM
UMMMMM

If they are against the war, what the fuk are they doing there?

In Russia you got no choice! In US you pick your choice!


a dishonroable discharge doesnt look good on your record p-)

Sir Zach of R.
11-02-2004, 07:00 PM
This type of stuff makes me sick. :bash:

Fox2
11-02-2004, 07:48 PM
This type of stuff makes me sick. :bash:

I wouldn't go that far.

Remember that some former military folks that post here were and are against the conflict in Iraq, notably Tane Angle and XASA. Although XASA a bit more vocal about it, I think. ;)

I respect these soldiers for their service to our country and I respect their opinion, even if I disagree with it. :)