Friend or Foe

[to free the oppressed]

Do you guy's think france is Friend or Foe.I think france is a Foe.

[Splinter26]

Do you guy's think france is Friend or Foe.I think france is a Foe.


Dude, don't hate French people cuz of politicians, my opinion is all politicians have a brain fart to some extent, regardless of nationality, and that includes American politicians too. Let me tell you something, my father was a truck driver for a company in Europe, he drove all over the place, including France. He said France is one of the most beautiful countries in the world, and it is, and people in countryside couldn't be more sencere to him he said. When he made his stops, he was a total stranger to people he met there, yet they treaded him like a long time friend. Don't get that "French cowards" attitude like everyone else does like it was some kind of disease, that's just stupid, don't be a part of that. There isn't one nation that has all the perfect people, not US, not England, not France, lots of different attitudes thats what it is, but just don't be hating cuz some politician said something about someone on TV and it has to become a part of you now. Screw all politicians, they care for nothing but only their asses to be in a warm bed getting breakfast and coffee handed to them while youngs are dieing, then they pretend to even care when on camera, pathetic.

[Vance]

Wow, this is one of the stupidest thread's I've seen in a long while. Go read some history books, son.

[budanski]

The arrogance of the French is only exceeded by their vindictiveness and petulence. The fact that they are cutting off their own nose in not supporting us is irrelevant when compared to their vital need to humiliate anyone they perceive as a competitor to their self-effected superiority, especially if that somebody is Germanic or Anglo.

The French are not only NOT our allies and friends now - they have ALWAYS been our enemies.

1689-1763 French and Indian Wars France uses native Americans as their tools to terrorize and intimidate Anglo-Americans on Eastern Seaboard. French Catholic forcibly convert Proestant captives purchased from Indians.

1763 - Departing beaten French incite Ponitiac's Rebellion against American settlers and British occupying forces by deliberatly lying and telling the Ottowas and their allied tribes that the Great French Father Onontio will be returning to help his red children again.

1783 - French attempt to pull a fast one on their American allies and the British by getting a treaty adopted approving the status quo, i.e. with the British maintaining control of whatever territory they hold in North America and the rest of the area being granted its freedom in an attempt to use the Americans as a tool against British interest in the next, inevitable, Anglo-French War. British don't buy it.

1791 - 1800 Quasi War with France - French privateers engage in a guerilla war at sea against American shipping as we were unwilling to help them in their war with Britain.

1864-1867 French attempt to establish an "Empire" under "Emperor" Maxilian, a dupe of theirs in Mexico, while the U.S. is tied up in its bloody Civil War, violating the Monroe Doctrine.

1917 - World War 1 The U.S. gets suckered into an unnnecessary war with the Kaiser by the British who were in turn suckered into an unnecessary war by the vengeful French, stil smarting from their just defeat by Bismarck in the Franco Prussian War

1941-1945 Vichy French traitors carry on a war against their "Liberators" by aiding the Nazi war machine. Strutting peacock DeGaulle succeeds in conning the British and Americans to give the French part of occupied Germany even though they did nothing really effective in helping us win the war.

Late 1940's France refuses to help with Berlin airlift

1950's Peacock DeGaulle asserts his Francophilic superiority by kicking NATO forces out of France.

Early 1960's France suckers U.S into involvement in Southeast Asia

1980's France refuses to allow American Aircraft to fly over France in attacking Libya, resulting in deaths of two American pilots due to long detour.

The French have been enemies of the British, Dutch, Flemings, Spanish, Italians, Germans and Austrians since time immemorial.

They are our enemies now, and always will be.

[to free the oppressed]

sorry, Vance just what to know if france is still a pain in American side.

[Vance]

sorry, Vance just what to know if france is still a pain in American side.
:roll:

[Tom.G]

The arrogance of the French is only exceeded by their vindictiveness and petulence. The fact that they are cutting off their own nose in not supporting us is irrelevant when compared to their vital need to humiliate anyone they perceive as a competitor to their self-effected superiority, especially if that somebody is Germanic or Anglo.

The French are not only NOT our allies and friends now - they have ALWAYS been our enemies.

1689-1763 French and Indian Wars France uses native Americans as their tools to terrorize and intimidate Anglo-Americans on Eastern Seaboard. French Catholic forcibly convert Proestant captives purchased from Indians.

1763 - Departing beaten French incite Ponitiac's Rebellion against American settlers and British occupying forces by deliberatly lying and telling the Ottowas and their allied tribes that the Great French Father Onontio will be returning to help his red children again.

1783 - French attempt to pull a fast one on their American allies and the British by getting a treaty adopted approving the status quo, i.e. with the British maintaining control of whatever territory they hold in North America and the rest of the area being granted its freedom in an attempt to use the Americans as a tool against British interest in the next, inevitable, Anglo-French War. British don't buy it.

1791 - 1800 Quasi War with France - French privateers engage in a guerilla war at sea against American shipping as we were unwilling to help them in their war with Britain.

1864-1867 French attempt to establish an "Empire" under "Emperor" Maxilian, a dupe of theirs in Mexico, while the U.S. is tied up in its bloody Civil War, violating the Monroe Doctrine.

1917 - World War 1 The U.S. gets suckered into an unnnecessary war with the Kaiser by the British who were in turn suckered into an unnecessary war by the vengeful French, stil smarting from their just defeat by Bismarck in the Franco Prussian War

1941-1945 Vichy French traitors carry on a war against their "Liberators" by aiding the Nazi war machine. Strutting peacock DeGaulle succeeds in conning the British and Americans to give the French part of occupied Germany even though they did nothing really effective in helping us win the war.

Late 1940's France refuses to help with Berlin airlift

1950's Peacock DeGaulle asserts his Francophilic superiority by kicking NATO forces out of France.

Early 1960's France suckers U.S into involvement in Southeast Asia

1980's France refuses to allow American Aircraft to fly over France in attacking Libya, resulting in deaths of two American pilots due to long detour.

The French have been enemies of the British, Dutch, Flemings, Spanish, Italians, Germans and Austrians since time immemorial.

They are our enemies now, and always will be.

[Tom.G]

The arrogance of the French is only exceeded by their vindictiveness and petulence. The fact that they are cutting off their own nose in not supporting us is irrelevant when compared to their vital need to humiliate anyone they perceive as a competitor to their self-effected superiority, especially if that somebody is Germanic or Anglo.

The French are not only NOT our allies and friends now - they have ALWAYS been our enemies.

1689-1763 French and Indian Wars France uses native Americans as their tools to terrorize and intimidate Anglo-Americans on Eastern Seaboard. French Catholic forcibly convert Proestant captives purchased from Indians.

1763 - Departing beaten French incite Ponitiac's Rebellion against American settlers and British occupying forces by deliberatly lying and telling the Ottowas and their allied tribes that the Great French Father Onontio will be returning to help his red children again.

1783 - French attempt to pull a fast one on their American allies and the British by getting a treaty adopted approving the status quo, i.e. with the British maintaining control of whatever territory they hold in North America and the rest of the area being granted its freedom in an attempt to use the Americans as a tool against British interest in the next, inevitable, Anglo-French War. British don't buy it.

1791 - 1800 Quasi War with France - French privateers engage in a guerilla war at sea against American shipping as we were unwilling to help them in their war with Britain.

1864-1867 French attempt to establish an "Empire" under "Emperor" Maxilian, a dupe of theirs in Mexico, while the U.S. is tied up in its bloody Civil War, violating the Monroe Doctrine.

1917 - World War 1 The U.S. gets suckered into an unnnecessary war with the Kaiser by the British who were in turn suckered into an unnecessary war by the vengeful French, stil smarting from their just defeat by Bismarck in the Franco Prussian War

1941-1945 Vichy French traitors carry on a war against their "Liberators" by aiding the Nazi war machine. Strutting peacock DeGaulle succeeds in conning the British and Americans to give the French part of occupied Germany even though they did nothing really effective in helping us win the war.

Late 1940's France refuses to help with Berlin airlift

1950's Peacock DeGaulle asserts his Francophilic superiority by kicking NATO forces out of France.

Early 1960's France suckers U.S into involvement in Southeast Asia

1980's France refuses to allow American Aircraft to fly over France in attacking Libya, resulting in deaths of two American pilots due to long detour.

The French have been enemies of the British, Dutch, Flemings, Spanish, Italians, Germans and Austrians since time immemorial.

They are our enemies now, and always will be.

Did you know that the French suppoerted the American Revolution. Guys, go eat some freedomfries.

[Vance]

And the fact that we practically modelled our government from theirs. Oh well, guess it doesn't matter anyhow. I really thought all this crap was over. I was wrong.

[budanski]

Did you know that the French suppoerted the American Revolution. Guys, go eat some freedomfries.

France: America's crazy ex-girlfriend.


And the fact that we practically modelled our government from theirs. Oh well, guess it doesn't matter anyhow. I really thought all this crap was over. I was wrong.

Uhem, who modeled after who again?

[Vance]

Ever heard of checks and balances? Go read a US History book.

[USMarine3521]

I'm not going to answer that, I think they are between friend and foe and also fun to laugh at.

[usa320]

As a matter of fact France's government is MODELED AFTER OURS. and their revolution was MODELED AFTER OURS. and we would have won the revolution with or without france.

Someone needs to read a 6th grade history book...

[Tom.G]

As a matter of fact France's government is MODELED AFTER OURS. and their revolution was MODELED AFTER OURS. and we would have won the revolution with or without france.

Someone needs to read a 6th grade history book...

With or without France, we schooled you in 1812.

[budanski]

Ever heard of checks and balances? Go read a US History book.

Geez, I havent gotten the latest european-edition U.S. history books. As i recalled the French Revolution happened in 1789.

[waize]

the French gave you the statue of liberty, did you knew that?
It would be fun if they would reclaim it

[Vance]

As a matter of fact France's government is MODELED AFTER OURS.
ROFLMAO! And we were here before France, too! rofl

[Joshisonfire]

Desert Sloth, that was the gayest thing you've said today.

[Tom.G]

Desert Sloth, that was the gayest thing you've said today.

Man, at least I don't come from the prairies.

rofl

[mocking_loudly]

France is not our mortal enemy and I think people are taking this "with us or against us" crap to serious.

Unfortunately the world is not made up of black and white situations.

I have met many brave and honourable Frenchmen and degrading them through selective history points is rather insulting.

We could easily put up a list of why America is an "evil imperialist nation", but I through the lovely use of education know that not to be the case.

The world is a complex place - burn long friendships at ones own peril.

Yes I do like to make fun of the French too. ;)

[Ratamacue]

Budanski, to be honest, I think you're taking the anti-French piece too far, man.

[budanski]

Sure Sport...

The French are at best our competitors and at worst our enemies. We are treating them with disdain and should continue to do so.

French Friendship
Is it for real? France's behavior at the UN shows it would love to see the U.S. fail in Iraq. (http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpfra233465422sep23,0,3337656.story?coll=ny-editorials-headlines)

"French Friendship"=Oxymoron

[EvanL]

Desert Sloth, that was the gayest thing you've said today.

Man, at least I don't come from the prairies.

rofl

Atleast he doesnt come from Hog-Town ya god damn socialist. :bash:

[mocking_loudly]

This is what happens when you eat to many freedom fries!. rofl

[MEGR]

I, as an American totally disagree with France and their politics. As for the French themselves, i dont think they are bad people, but regarding the war on terror, they have acted as a foe rather than a friend. I would be happy if they acted like the Aussies or the British, but thats not the case. Hopefully, france will change their foreign policies and help rid the world of these terrorist scumbags.

God Bless
-Drake

[Tom.G]

Desert Sloth, that was the gayest thing you've said today.

Man, at least I don't come from the prairies.

rofl

Atleast he doesnt come from Hog-Town ya god damn socialist. :bash:

I'm not a ****ing Socialist!

[Fioraon]

Wow we got a bunch of history geeks in here.... NOT!!!!

[/idiots]

[Seiyuuki]

Did you know that the French suppoerted the American Revolution. Guys, go eat some freedomfries.

Ugh...since we're on the subject, add in World War 1 and 2, or at least just World War 1 to balance the "who save who in what war" equation.


And the fact that we practically modelled our government from theirs. Oh well, guess it doesn't matter anyhow. I really thought all this crap was over. I was wrong.

Ever heard of checks and balances? Go read a US History book.

As Fioraon tactfully put if:


Wow we got a bunch of history geeks in here.... NOT!!!!


1787-1788: Constitution of the United States, system of fundamental laws of the United States of America. The Constitution was drawn up by 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia during the summer of 1787 and ratified by the states in 1788. The Constitution defines distinct powers for the Congress of the United States, the president, and the federal courts. This division of authority is known as a system of checks and balances, and it ensures that none of the branches of government can dominate the others. The Constitution also establishes and limits the authority of the federal government over the states and spells out freedoms and liberties for U.S. citizens.

1789: Crowds began to roam Paris looking for arms to fight off a royal attack. On July 14 these crowds assaulted the Bastille, a large fortress on the eastern edge of the city. They believed that it contained munitions and many prisoners of despotism, but in fact, the fortress housed only seven inmates at the time. The storming of the Bastille marked a turning point-attempts at reform had become a full-scale revolution. Faced with this insurrection, the monarchy backed down. The troops were withdrawn, and Necker was recalled.


the French gave you the statue of liberty, did you knew that?
It would be fun if they would reclaim it

"The green is not oxidize copper, it's green with envy."

[martinexsquaddie]

Vietnam it was the frances fault rofl ?
you could'nt even persuade the British to get involved with that cluster****
BUt its ok it was'nt your fault it was France's priceless rofl

[Gordon]

Wow, this is one of the stupidest thread's I've seen in a long while. Go read some history books, son.

Considering most of the bollox you post concerning history I don't think you're in any position to go and tell someone else to read some history books, son.

rofl nice one martin.

[Saranof]

AAAAAAAARGH they didn't obey Führer Bush! Burn!
ect :roll:

[Fargin]

This is getting old. Don't take politics too serious.

[Carlos]

Wow we got a bunch of history geeks in here.... NOT!!!!


1787-1788: Constitution of the United States, system of fundamental laws of the United States of America. The Constitution was drawn up by 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia during the summer of 1787 and ratified by the states in 1788. The Constitution defines distinct powers for the Congress of the United States, the president, and the federal courts. This division of authority is known as a system of checks and balances, and it ensures that none of the branches of government can dominate the others. The Constitution also establishes and limits the authority of the federal government over the states and spells out freedoms and liberties for U.S. citizens.

1789: Crowds began to roam Paris looking for arms to fight off a royal attack. On July 14 these crowds assaulted the Bastille, a large fortress on the eastern edge of the city. They believed that it contained munitions and many prisoners of despotism, but in fact, the fortress housed only seven inmates at the time. The storming of the Bastille marked a turning point-attempts at reform had become a full-scale revolution. Faced with this insurrection, the monarchy backed down. The troops were withdrawn, and Necker was recalled.



Sorry to disappoint you, but the principle of separation of legislative, executive and judicary powers was indeed formulated by Montesquieu in 1748 (look for "Spirit of the Laws" ("De l´ésprit des lois") - there is an english language edition out since 1850 ;) ).

Only after that checks an balances became what we know now, after the peparatory work of Harrington, Locke and many others...

[wulfstan]

Norman Schwarzkopf said something like;

"Going to war without the French is like going hunting without your accordian"

Fookin' great quote!

[Micke]

Blah France, buncha frog eating weirdo's, who cares. I guess when they dropped nukes down here they reckoned that was a good idea but bringing down a ****head dictator was a bad idea.: roll:

Seriously though, can you smoke freedom fries?

[Sabre]

"1783 - French attempt to pull a fast one on their American allies and the British by getting a treaty adopted approving the status quo, i.e. with the British maintaining control of whatever territory they hold in North America and the rest of the area being granted its freedom in an attempt to use the Americans as a tool against British interest in the next, inevitable, Anglo-French War. British don't buy it."


Unless you wanted to try your hand in Canada, that was the best the revolutionaries were going to get. Didn't they have a little leverage as they supplied troops and guns for the most decicive battle in the war?

"Early 1960's France suckers U.S into involvement in Southeast Asia"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh, Ha ha ha...oh dear...WOOOAAAAAAH...dear me....let me,...let me catch my breath....'suckered'...ho ho ho...christ!...

Bullsh*t! You couldn't have held your paranoid, Right-wing, interfering government back with all the wild horses in the world!

'What's this? People, in their own land, deciding to rule themselves for the first time in 500 years...and they have a LEFT WING GOVERNMENT!!!' Christ! Can't let that happen. What you need to do is get involved in a 10 year war, kill millions of people, lose around 80,000 of your own and only then leave them to do what they had wanted.

Jesus Budanski, you're a corker you. A right little Texan! "suckered", that cracks me up.

Still didn't stop you later. 'What, Grenada is building a what???....An airport!!!!.....But, but they're....LEFT WING!!!!.....We'll just have to invade....'

BTW, watch 'Heartbreak Ridge' with Clint Eastwood, you'll probably like that tripe.

It seems that some of our friends accross the water need to read some sixth YEAR history books. Here's a hint, ours are the ones that start before Jesus. ;)

"1980's France refuses to allow American Aircraft to fly over France in attacking Libya, resulting in deaths of two American pilots due to long detour." :roll:

HINT: Don't attack Lybia next time, maybe that was the more direct cause of you're two aircrew's deaths. N'est-ce pas?

Au revoir mon ami, j'attends avec intérêt plus de vos ravings
pro-américains!

:)

[b00n]

Well the last time i had contact with a french guy was on a counter-strike server. it was a ~11-12year old guy with a squeaking voice, it drove me nearly insane. damn if it would have been possible i'd kill him, beating him to death with a old baguette :fork:

[Deuterium]

Four words........ Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.

[Miles Teg]

"Going to war without the French is like going hunting without your accordian"
I like this quote too.


Well the last time i had contact with a french guy was on a counter-strike server. it was a ~11-12year old guy with a squeaking voice, it drove me nearly insane. damn if it would have been possible i'd kill him, beating him to death with a old baguette
I'm totaly agree with you, but I'm enough lucky too be a great admin on the two main server I'm using, so... he would be BANNED :D

I vote friend. No comments.

[NcDeuce]

French helped us a lot in the American Revolution...I will admit that.

But we saved their tails in WW2, for sure!

So we're even. But c'mon...not supporting the war on an evil dictator who tortures innocent people, kills off those who oppose him, etc. France, shame on you.

[USMarine3521]

miles tag: USA, friend or foe?

[warchild1/27scout]

ok. we could disagree on kyoto or social *** laws or death penalty or even to go into iraq but when the french go to other countries and bribe them and scare them(scared eastern europian nations denial into eu) into building a coalition to twart the united states it's not like a little deal. they want to form a group of nations to balance the power of the u.s. and control the u.s. if you think that is a friend then you are either stupid or terribly nieve. choose your position. and that is clearly black and white.

[Gordon]

Has anyone noticed that France (the French government) happens to agree with and support US policy where Iran is concerned. They don't just disagree with everything the US says to piss them of, or try to control them, granted there may be some jealousy at the distibution of power as it is and the fact that the US can pretty much do what it wants when it wants but there's far more to it than that.


the french go to other countries and bribe them and scare them(scared eastern europian nations denial into eu) into building a coalition to twart the united states it's not like a little deal

They wouldn't be the first country who's tried to form a coalition, by bribing or scaring them, to realise that country's own ambitions. I'm pretty sure that a majority of countries have done it at some point including the UK, US, Russia ... etc ... etc.

[Argyll]

Hmm what about the US deals involving Turkey when they refused permission to use it as a Jump off point,I'm pretty sure there was a significant Financial package withdrawn by Colin Powell because of this,is this not the same as the French tactics on the Eastern european countries?

[Miles Teg]

USA : Friend


So we're even. But c'mon...not supporting the war on an evil dictator who tortures innocent people, kills off those who oppose him, etc. France, shame on you.
The us government didn't present this operation like that. We don't disagree the action but the manner.
Why always saying "Strike on Irak they have massive weapon".

Why they didn't say only that we wait enough time againt the sadam regim and that UN sanctions were not efficient?

I saw again this sketch in ONU when Powell shown a glass can of biological powder and proving during 80 min the existence or "The possibility they will be able to produce" of massive weapon.
This is considering us as stupid.

Sadam = bad guys, will be good enough

I've a nice double page from one special edition of our best national newspaper.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/miles.nest/chasse1.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/miles.nest/chasse2.jpg

Nice job (personnaly, Chemical Ali will not miss me)
Sure with this the world is more safe.

[Seraphim]

The 8 of hearts have been captured.

[Miles Teg]

This was published on the beginning of september


The 8 of hearts have been captured.

Good news

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

either or your going to have to live with them...france is like an aquaintance...you may not like them...you may not be the best of friends...but your going to have to deal with them. The sooner relations become become smoother the better for everyone

[Vance]

My anti-Frenchness has been cut in half by reasons not to be disclosed at this point and time. p-)

[budanski]

Go easy on the French-tickler man, it'll fall off.

[96B]

France is officially a friend but behind our backs is a foe and should be terminated.