Igla vs Mi-24

[Kingpin]

Arab merc shooting Igla on Mi-24 in Chechnya
This happened 31/08/2002 (two weeks after Mi-26 crash).

http://video.kavkazcenter.com/fight_in_chechnya/helicopter.wmv

Couple Mi-24 and one Mi-8 were on mission in southern Chechnya while one Mi-24 was shot down. Pilots tried to land on autorotation but altitude was too high. Both pilots died. :(

Later special forces found many Igla launchers slipped from Georgia in different hideouts across Chechnya.

[Claymore]

So cruel to be shot down when flying so peaceful helicopter as Mi-24. They and their jolly friends in other copters must have been flying around just to explore how beautiful the land of Chechnya is...

[Seoulstriker]

that was a difficult movie to watch. i f**king hate those mujahadeen.

[Rantanplan]

Would be there any difference if the Shooter were an regular Soldier?
War is War :(

[Kingpin]

In general i agree with Rantaplan. War is war.

The only problem i see here - it was downed not by Saudi or Turkey manufactured SAM. It was downed by russian made rocket possibly sold to Georgia or stolen from factory.

[perdurabo]

so where is the problem? in Falklands war Argentina used two sheafild(?) class frigates made in UK :D in 2World war meany underground armys used german equipment, in Warsaw upraising Polisch Civil Army menaged to counqer some german magazines with helmlets and uniforms also few german panzers were used aginst theri owners.
It's normal way of war, Ichkeria was a country russians invaded them so Chechens have to fight with them any possible ways.

[Saranof]

So cruel to be shot down when flying so peaceful helicopter as Mi-24. They and their jolly friends in other copters must have been flying around just to explore how beautiful the land of Chechnya is...

Yes, they were probly on their way to drop supplies to starving children!

[SILENT SCOPE]

I'm sure I'm not the first to think this but, you guys are ****ed up. It doesn't matter who was in the Mi24- they were still PEOPLE who are dead now. And I would be saying the same thing if the Mi24 blew the crap out of that Mujahadeen.

[warGOD]

The movie was pretty 'raw'. Watching it felt like actually being there.

What really irritated me was the constant shouting of "Allah Akbhar" after the Mi-24 was hit...

[Haiw]

The movie was pretty 'raw'. Watching it felt like actually being there.

What really irritated me was the constant shouting of "Allah Akbhar" after the Mi-24 was hit...

uch yea, that was really a bad script...the special effects and camera work also need some more work :roll:

[Trigger]

What really irritated me was the constant shouting of "Allah Akbhar" after the Mi-24 was hit...
For sure...they could at least have thrown a 'Booyah!' or two in there rofl

[HumanShield]

What does Allah Akbhar mean? I know allah is the god, but what is Akbhar?

[USMarine3521]

isnt akbhar the guy from star wars? that looks like a squid

[Trigger]

...so they're shouting 'God, that guy looks like an ugly squid!'? :D

[kutter]

What does Allah Akbhar mean? I know allah is the god, but what is Akbhar?

It means something along the lines of "God is Great".

[One?]

What really irritated me was the constant shouting of "Allah Akbhar" after the Mi-24 was hit...


Yup, but when you watch US soldeirs firing a TOW at iraqi soldeirs cheering its cool, it doesnt irritate anyone because they are only (the iraqi's) sensless, animals, un-humane things that obstruct freedom right?

I bet those Mi24s where giving a recreational flight to some of the chechen kids.

[Kingpin]

They were delivering supplies for border guards.

As for recreation... Military helos are often used to deliver ill highlanders to hospitals in cities and for similar purposes.

For those from US who found something funny in this video i'll repost later really funny pictures of dead american soldiers.

[Claymore]

From what I have learnt from "operation against terrorism" in Chechnya (tens of books and tv documents), russian military there is far from charity organisation. They are in war against chechen civilian population (and foreign wahhabite mujahideens sometimes).

[perdurabo]

Well i've seen document in Polish TV where Russian soldier tells how he recognise partisants "if he had bruises(from handling gun) on his right arm he was a partisian soldier if he had a bruise around eye he was an partisian sharp sooter" he telled a story about a guy that was cached 3times but he had no bruises on right arm but they checked his left arm and he had it so they shoot him.

[zuhrich]

wow.....speachless do you have any more videos? :|

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Well it goes to show no matter what technology your driving-flying-moving in your still vulnerable. War isnt pretty, theres plenty of **** happens thats way worse then a helicopter being shot down. Thank god that stuff isnt captured on video. p.s. i didnt think at that range the missle would have hit.

[GazB]

If it really was Russians versus Chechens then the war wouldn't have lasted very long... the reality is that it is a war with Russians and Chechens on one side and Chechens and their religious supporters from Georgia, mercs from Ukraine, Saudis, Paksitanis, and Osamas mates who didn't like what the Soviets did in Afghanistan.

[Vlad]

GazB is right. Besides, another reason to continue the war is to keep the drug route open, from Asia to Russia and the rest of Europe. Right now, during a state of war, there is too much mess going on to try to track down a single truck which is possibly carrying drugs.

[Saranof]

They were delivering supplies for border guards.

As for recreation... Military helos are often used to deliver ill highlanders to hospitals in cities and for similar purposes.

For those from US who found something funny in this video i'll repost later really funny pictures of dead american soldiers.

Yes, and they are more often used to bomb the crap out of villages.

While you're at it, find some pictures of dead chechneyan kids.

[zuhrich]

you have lost the plot..... :backhand:

[Sabre]

The point is that the russian pilots who were killed either joined to serve their country or were conscripted. Just like US troops in Vietnam etc. The mujahadeen are loopy fundamentalists who are responsible for millions of people living in **** conditions under repressive idologic regiems that disrespect women, the underprivaleged and anyone who thinks differently to them.

The war in Chechnya is not about the Russians 'blood lust' for chechen babies (someone belongs in the McCarthy-ist 1950's methinks), but rather it's about the russians taking measures to deal with an enemy (recruited and financed by the drug/oil/mafia ganglords, wanting control of the drug routes and oil wealth in chechnya) who are experts in using their own people remorselessly to acheive their aims. As with any terrorists, they will make it difficult and 'messy' (in terms of civillian deaths) for the Russians to get them, knowing full well the effect it will have on the Russian government.

It is also true that the Russians haven't handled it very well. But the US kind of cocked-up Vietnam, didn't they? Also a US general in the 90's commented that the US would struggle to fight that war with any fewer casualties.


So, if they found a recording of a 'live' feed to the 9/11 terrorists on board the planes, would you defend the same peoples' yelping in delight because the people they killed were part of large multinational companies that repress the developing world? ( in many cases, responsible for far more homeless people and deaths than the war in Chechnya)
Or would you condemn them because their victims were honest, hard-working, God-fearing americans who just happened to work there?

[Kingpin]

As for Saranof, his e-mail is usama_rocks@hotmail.com.
And that's why i think we can exclude him from any following discussions.

As for killed civilians... I consider this question always comparing one case with others.
US killed about 6000-9000 civilians during last war (and i don't count how much were killed years before). And for you this is ok because they "fought tyrany, bringing freedom..." and so on so on so on.

From this point of view collateral damage while fighting terrorists, extremists, vahabis and all other guerrilas in Chechnya - is also OK because i don't see any difference between Taliban and Chechen warlords. And between Saddam and Baraev.

[Dmitri]

Yes, and they are more often used to bomb the crap out of villages.

While you're at it, find some pictures of dead chechneyan kids.

Wow, very smart, you must have frozen your brains of up there...Ok, there are thousands pics of Iraqi kids and civilians killed and crippled... For some reason there are no comments here about "US Agression", and I can't believe some of you are happy russians got killed...
If russia wanted to bomb the hell out of the chechnya and kill all the civilians, it wouldn't take long... It's much harder to find a small group of mercenaries who have probably more firepower than a whole platoon and hide in the woods just waiting for a moment to attack something or someone. Another fact is that there was a recent poll in which 78% chechens voted that they want to stay as part of russia.

I believe US had enough trouble already in Iraq and Afganistan for people to say that a civilian killed or bombed means that is the whole purpose of the war. There is just too much confusion and dangers when guerillas are fighting against a big army.

[Claymore]

"As for recreation... Military helos are often used to deliver ill highlanders to hospitals in cities and for similar purposes."


If you mean chechen civilians with "highlanders", it sounds like greetings from kreml.



"As for killed civilians... I consider this question always comparing one case with others.
US killed about 6000-9000 civilians during last war (and i don't count how much were killed years before). And for you this is ok because they "fought tyrany, bringing freedom..." and so on so on so on."


Please reveal your source of those numbers of killed civilians in Op IF. Can't believe that kind of numbers.

Lot of civilians must have been killed by american forces and thats not acceptable. But we have seen that oil is more important than human lives to leading country of "civilized" world.
At the same time, another big country does the same in Chechnya. When americans hunt for shooters of their soldiers with "human" way, russians are more used to inhuman way. Killing, raping and kidnapping people for ransom or just for fun isn't human. And that happens all the time. No matter is person male, female, young or old...or even guilty/not guilty...because "they all are guerillas anyway".



"Another fact is that there was a recent poll in which 78% chechens voted that they want to stay as part of russia."


Unfortunately I can't remember was it 99,9% or 100% of iraqis that voted Saddam for president last time...

I'm not american, chechen or arab...or don't even know any arab. I'm just sick of that **** that happens every day in Chechnya by "western" and "civilized" Mother Russia.