Question: Do you feel that ....

[Herrmannek]

Just wanted to know if that only me or others feel the same :)

Edited title fell->feel

[Micke]

I thought I was a loner on this one too. :)
Not that it bothers me, but its pretty much the truth.

[Gringo]

Where's the "I don't give a ****" option? Coz I don't really give a **** :D
No offence meant by that.

[Ichhabe]

Totally agree on that herrmannek.

It is okay with some posts, but now they cluther up the whole forum.

[Saranof]

Yeeh, they pretty much do...

[Vance]

Well, this was an all-foreign thread until I intervened. :)


I don't really care. But I have seen alot of Isrealis joining up in the past months...

[Adri]

wow look at the results !

didn`t think this would happend !

[Jack Mehoff]

Do you think that this forum became Israeli propaganda tube.

Yes

[Operation Ivy]

yup

[IDFM203]

Well perhaps we have made our presence felt and known. But none of what I brought down was propaganda. No, most of the times I am responding to the propaganda that is brought down against Israel and I have every right to respond to it.

It is very hypocritical for a polish person to bring this question here for it is clear that there are a huge amount of polish people here and they are just as vocal about their views (which are in fact a lot of times propaganda against Israel)as we are with ours.

Shalom!!!

[Herrmannek]

I'm not hypocrite, or try to not be :). And if Poles did some propaganda here tell us what do you have on mind, especialy if this was something against Israel.

[Argyll]

I wouldn't get carried away only 23 votes

[Bootneck]

Suprise, suprise. The Euros have a problem with the Israelis.

There wouldn't be half the Israel-oriented posts if you guys didn't pile on every time anything even close to the subject comes up. And correct me if I'm wrong but I'd say there many more topics started that are critical of the Israelis than there are actually started by the Israeli members of this forum.

You can't blame them for defending themselves. Oops, I forgot who I was talking to - you do.

[IDFM203]

Suprise, suprise. The Euros have a problem with the Israelis.

There wouldn't be half the Israel-oriented posts if you guys didn't pile on every time anything even close to the subject comes up. And correct me if I'm wrong but I'd say there many more topics started that are critical of the Israelis than there are actually started by the Israeli members of this forum.

You can't blame them for defending themselves. Oops, I forgot who I was talking to - you do.amen!! right on.......(but of course they are blind to that reality) :|

[perdurabo]

ekhm Euros? what is it?

[96B]

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[Argyll]

could the same not be said from The Israeli point of view?


Suprise, suprise. The Israeli's have a problem with the Euro's.

[Fargin]

ekhm Euros? what is it?

Please don't turn this into a discussion about currencies.

[Seraphim]

This forum will get back to normal...just like when the SOCNET guys invaded our forum for a bit. At least its better than a digighost/adam thingy magigy.

[Herrmannek]

I'm not critical about Israelis here or enywhere, exlcuding few things you can read in topic about Jews,Poles and Holocaust. But back to topic.

This question was about feelings not about facts, we can't go to Palestina or Israel and check what realy happenig there, in US or European news we often can hear oposite statements from both sites, jurnalists reports give us clue that both sites haven't clean hands, we know that there is much politics involved on both sides of the conflict and least but no last there is "war" going-on now (and answer me honestly did you seen war without propaganda :) ) add to that recent events with those pilots and previous grunts protests.
This all and yours "unquestionable" statements almost provoking flame wars pushes me to think that some of them can be just propaganda probably unintentionaly repeted from your news or from your gov.

And I know you didn't started most of those topics, and I understand you have right to protect your opinions and wiev point so SHALOM to all of us.

[Fargin]

It's takes two parts to continue a flamewar. I you don't like a post ignore it.

[Bootneck]

At least its better than a digighost/adam thingy magigy.

That's for damn sure!

[Herrmannek]

At least its better than a digighost/adam thingy magigy.

That's for damn sure!

If I missed something :)

[IDFM203]

This all and yours "unquestionable" statements almost provoking flame wars pushes me to think that some of them can be just propaganda probably unintentionaly repeted from your news or from your gov.

And I know you didn't started most of those topics , and I understand you have right to protect your opinions and wiev point so SHALOM to all of us.

What I highlighted in red is key. For we don’t start them and its the propaganda that was started by others that we are responding to.

If you were being intellectually honest here you would ask the question "do you think this forum has become an anti Israel propaganda tool".

Here’s the difference. Most of what I say or my fellow Israelis say is based on what we saw and experienced either when we were in the army or in our day to day lives .
Now on the other hand most of what you are saying about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is based mostly on what you read somewhere or saw on television, with all the inherent biases that come with those mediums.

In general, what one bases on what he experienced firsthand and what he actually saw, it is much better then what one reads or sees on television.

Anyways you wished me shalom so I wish it back to you.

Shalom!!!!

[Herrmannek]

IdfM203 You were in the midle of it I appreciate this very much, but you must also remember that being in the midle usualy gives you frogs perspective.
I belive you when you say about being nice to Palestinians, or yours efforts to do no harm to inocents at soldier/squad level, but I'm not sure that politicians and big fishes keep in minds the same priorities b/c they have personaly much to loose in changing current state of matters(this is true for both Palestinians and Israelis big fishes).

[IDFM203]

IdfM203 You were in the midle of it I appreciate this very much, but you must also remember that being in the midle usualy gives you frogs perspective.
I belive you when you say about being nice to Palestinians, or yours efforts to do no harm to inocents at soldier/squad level, but I'm not sure that politicians and big fishes keep in minds the same priorities b/c they have personaly much to loose in changing current state of matters(this is true for both Palestinians and Israelis big fishes).Well interesting point you make here except for one key thing. Unlike the big fishes from the Palestinian side (they arent elected), Israeli big fishes are elected and they are doing the will of the people and most of the people have seen and experienced the same things what I experienced and seen and they support the government when it is acting tuff for they know the realities first hand of the situation. In fact if there is any criticism of late, it is for the government not acting tuff enough or quickly enough due to its appeasement attitudes to the worlds negative opinions..


Now I appreciate the new tone in attitude and this is what I am talking about in what is and can be constructive debate.

Keep it up!!! :D

[warchild1/27scout]

duh! most people on this site are for the war on terror and palistinians are terrorists. and don't say i'm steriotyping. the palistinian people have had many opportunities to get an anti-terrorist gov't and they made thier choice to stick with the most famous terrorist in history. there will never be peace in palistine until the people who have a contience rise up and slaughter the terrorists in the west bank and gaza. the only hope i see is that i think it will happen in our lives but it will take awhile

[perdurabo]

Please not again not on this thread!:( PEACE PEACE PLS!!
let's do special thread where every body can flame whatever he want's to

[Herrmannek]

Well interesting point you make here except for one key thing. Unlike the big fishes from the Palestinian side (they arent elected), Israeli big fishes are elected and they are doing the will of the people and most of the people have seen and experienced the same things what I experienced and seen and they support the government when it is acting tuff for they know the realities first hand of the situation. In fact if there is any criticism of late, it is for the government not acting tuff enough or quickly enough due to its appeasement attitudes to the worlds negative opinions....



Democracy don't guarante that bad guys wouldn't be elected. And you and me must remeber that harmed people don't think globally and all their demands are made in context of the harm, this can be used by bad guys for their goals. Current need of harmed people in Israel is understandable need for fulfillment for their pains and fear before next attacks, but not a need for long lasting solutions(at least this have lower priority). Some guys can use this feel as sure source of political support for them, such people haven't bussines in peace, but have buissnes in pretending that they trying to make peace to satisfied others. You can meet such guys everywere in world but there is a question if they are in Israeli gov.