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EvanL
11-04-2004, 11:57 AM
Willing to commit troops to dangerous assignments

Chris Wattie
National Post


Thursday, November 04, 2004


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Canadians are more aggressive than their own government and even most Americans when it comes to sending soldiers into harm's way, a new public opinion poll finds.

A poll conducted for the Dominion Institute and the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute suggests an overwhelming majority of Canadians are willing to commit our troops to a wide range of overseas missions, even when it means possible Canadian casualties.

"Despite our reputation as the peaceable kingdom and seeing the Americans as sort of pre-emptive warmongers, Canadians are very comfortable with a more muscular use of our military," said Rudyard Griffiths, executive director of the Dominion Institute.

"This [poll] suggests there's a bit of a disconnect between our elites' opinion of Canada's military and its role in the world ... and most Canadians' gut reaction -- that our military is there to be used."

The poll, which is to be released today, found that more than three-quarters of those surveyed supported sending the Canadian Forces abroad in five of six hypothetical situations.

An overwhelming 92% of respondents supported Canadian troops being deployed to assist a nation struck by famine; 84% said they should be sent to uphold international law; 79% said our military should be used to bring peace in a civil war; 78% supported using them to liberate hostages; and 73% favoured sending in the army to destroy a terrorist base.

Only a hypothetical mission to ensure Canada's oil supply was not supported by a majority of those polled, with 47% supporting such a mission for our military.

Canadians' opinions on the use of military force were more aggressive even than most Americans, who were asked the same questions by a U.S.-based think-tank on foreign policy in 2002.

Canadians were more likely than Americans to support sending in the troops in three of the categories (assisting in a famine, upholding international law and ending civil wars), and were tied with U.S. respondents in their willingness to use the military to free hostages.

Americans were more likely to favour military action to destroy terrorist camps (92%) and to protect oil supplies (65%).

The survey, conducted by the Toronto-based Innovative Research Group, contacted 500 people between Oct. 21 and 28, and is considered accurate within 4.38 percentage points, 19 times in 20.

The poll found Canadians were willing to commit soldiers overseas even in instances where our national interests or the lives of Canadian citizens were not at risk.

They were also undeterred by the prospect of Canadian troops suffering casualties, with a majority of respondents saying they would still support a deployment abroad even if there is the potential for soldiers to lose their lives.

"Most Canadians seem to understand what the military is for -- to put themselves in harm's way," Mr. Griffiths said. "Whether we have the [military] capability to back this up is another question. [But] maybe there are some glimmers of hope here for the military."

The federal Liberals have come under fire for starving the Canadian Forces of funds and saddling them with ageing or possibly faulty equipment.

The government has yet to sign a contract for a replacement for the 43-year-old Sea King helicopters, and a $750-million deal to buy four used British submarines has been questioned after a fire broke out on one sub, HMCS Chicoutimi, while it was sailing from its British base to Canada, killing one crew member.

Sean Maloney, a professor at Royal Military College in Kingston, Ont., said the public appears to be ahead of the government in understanding how best to use our military.

"The Canadian people seem to have a general understanding that military force is an important tool of governments ... in this increasingly dangerous world," he said. "They don't seem to be swallowing the fantasies of the 'soft power' crowd -- they have a much more realistic outlook."

Paul Martin, the Prime Minister, last month ruled out any future Canadian contribution to U.S.-led operations in Iraq, and Bill Graham, the Defence Minister, has said Canada will not take up a U.S. request that it send CF-18 fighter-bombers to provide air cover for anti-terrorist missions in Afghanistan.

Despite repeated United Nations calls for intervention in the humanitarian crisis in Sudan, the government has so far offered only two staff officers and a promise of used body armour and helmets to equip African peacekeepers.

Canada sent only a small contingent to Haiti last year after that Caribbean nation threatened to descend into anarchy and did not replace the troops when they left after six months.

ex1cdo
11-04-2004, 01:13 PM
Willing to commit troops to dangerous assignments

Chris Wattie
National Post


Thursday, November 04, 2004


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Canadians are more aggressive than their own government and even most Americans when it comes to sending soldiers into harm's way, a new public opinion poll finds.


If the major wars of the last century are anything to go by, we're a nasty bloodthirsty lot.

That being said, with a major influx of non-European immigrants since WWII, most living in urban areas, it is surprising that (according to this survey) people in this country still want to embark on military adventurism.

I guess so long as it's someone else's son or daughter that is at the sharp end, the urban elites don't mind.

(Just an observation from an old (my people came here from Scotland in 1843 and every generation has served this country, the Empire, or other Commonwealth nations) Ontarian.)

Yeoman
11-04-2004, 03:28 PM
it doesn't really supirse me that a survery would come out with results like that. ALOT of people want to see a larger role for our military. but when it comes down to it, we don't want to sacrifice our health care in order to have a stronger military.
personally I'm just waiting for the word that were going to somewhere in Africa, or even possibly Iraq.
Greg

Spearin
11-04-2004, 06:54 PM
I'm willing to go. That's why I volunteered. The gov't doesn't want to sacrifice anything for the CF. There should be a restructure of the entire CF in order to be more effective and efficient with the current events and possible future conflicts. Doubt it will happen though... until I'm CDS :P (which won't happen, I don't even want to receive a commission).

Bartok5
11-05-2004, 07:55 PM
So, "Spearin",

You are "willing to go". Fine. But what are you doing to make yourself eligible for deployment? Are you in the Regular Army? Or are you a Reservist hoping to be picked up as an augmentee for a secondary supporting task? Because if your situation is the latter, then your chances of "doing the business" are slim to none. You will be a supporting player, relegated to the sidelines.

My humble suggestion is that if you truly want to "do the business", then join the Regular Army Combat Arms. Preferably (with a view to deployment) in the Infantry, Combat Engineers, Armour, or Artillery (in that likelihood of deployment). To do otherwise, is to wait, hope, and settle for an "Defence and Security" tasking at some "Middle Eastern" base with zero threat nor action. Yes, you can apply for "HUMINT" or "CIMIC", but that is not the same as doing the infantry business. Not by a long, long stretch.

If you want to talk the talk, then walk the walk. Otherwise, sum up and relegate yourself to a supporting role. If you choose the latter, then you have nothing to trumpet about.

Just my $.02 worth.....

Hoplite_V
11-05-2004, 08:16 PM
The reserves going on 'that D&S posting with the zero threat level' aren't too shy about patting themselves on the back braging to anyone who will listen that they are going into the ****. They seem to love telling their girlfriends and parents how dangerous it is with a view i guess to make them cry or something. Losers if you ask me. I agree with what Bartok5 said, if you want to be a soldier and serve over seas, join the Regular Force Infantry.

Unfortinuatly for most healthy checked out people getting into the regular force infantry either from civilian street or through the reserves is about as easy as entering into the US of A with
"Mr Binladdin, Osama" on your passport.

Spearin
11-05-2004, 08:30 PM
I'm in the Reserves; Infantry trained. I would go as a supporting role, that's just as important. I am only 18 right now (19 in January) and once I finish school heading to either the Reg Force (RCR preferable) or the British Army (already been over there to a Recruiting Office).

I did get the papers for ROTO 4 in Afghanistan, but decided against it since I need to finish up my schooling first before deployment.

I've wanted to be a soldier since I have been young. I wouldn't consider myself as being very 'gung ho' or a 'super soldier' like some Reservists are... I can't recite scenes from Band of Brothers. I do a lot of reading of first hand accounts of operations and other books (modern warfare mostly).

I want to go on deployment or else would see my service as somewhat of a waste of resources by the CF.

P.S. No real need to put quotations around Spearin, that's my surname.

Hoplite_V
11-05-2004, 08:47 PM
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