No more Warlords allowed in Afghanistan !

[5jumpchump]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3981523.stm


It's about time to end the 1800's style of living and get on track rebuilding a country rather then playing cowboy over 10 ft of land in warlord squabbles . Afghanistan is heading in the right direction . What do you guys think ?

[Haiw]

Riiiiiiiight... and how exactely is mister Karzai going to do this?

[American Patriot]

Riiiiiiiight... and how exactely is mister Karzai going to do this?

Ask them nicely?

[Flagg]

So I guess Unsuccessful Presidential Candiate/Warlord Dostrum will just go quietly into retirement?

Declaring an end to warlords in Afghanistan is like declaring the end to gravity.

It could potentially take several more decades to completely attrit the current warlord system in Afghanistan.

Just my .02c

[American Patriot]

It's the next natural step for the Karzai government and for the people of Afghanistan.

[Haiw]

It's the next natural step for the Karzai government and for the people of Afghanistan.
Maybe, but chances are pretty high it'll be remembered as 'a step too far'.

[von_Moo142]

Karzai must know how difficult this would be to actually do, so this is mainly spin I suppose.

[TALOS]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|

[Haiw]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|
We're not being un-supportive, we're just being REALISTIC. Ending the warlord 'system' is like trying to take away all the US citizens guns.

[von_Moo142]

Just because people might be somewhat pessimistic about somethign doesn't always mean they don't support it or agree with it. :-)

If Karzai gets rid of a few warlords (without creating more in the process, which isn't easy), then everyone will be happy. It's difficult to see how Afghanistan will progress without doing this.

But it can't be easy to change what is a way of life for some.

[TALOS]

Just because people might be somewhat pessimistic about somethign doesn't always mean they don't support it or agree with it. :-)

If Karzai gets rid of a few warlords (without creating more in the process, which isn't easy), then everyone will be happy. It's difficult to see how Afghanistan will progress without doing this.

But it can't be easy to change what is a way of life for some.
Im sorry I jumped, its just that I see so many negative comments about every post that any person makes. Karzai HAS to try and eliminate the warlord society, it will be long hard and costly quite probably, but he has to succeed ... or he'll fail <<<sorry couldnt resist, but seriously, if he cant transform the warlord society A-stan will always be at war.

[von_Moo142]

Im sorry I jumped, its just that I see so many negative comments about every post that any person makes.

IMO, you're quite right to question as you did, since this is a discussion forum :-)

Karzai HAS to try and eliminate the warlord society, it will be long hard and costly quite probably, but he has to succeed ... or he'll fail <<<sorry couldnt resist, but seriously, if he cant transform the warlord society A-stan will always be at war.[/quote]


I totally agree: this aspect of life in Afghanistan has to change for there to be any lasting benifit to the country. I think it speaks well of Karzai that he's apparently prepared to take this problem on, rather than try and work around it.

But at the moment it's all just media hot air.

[Seiyuuki]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|
We're not being un-supportive, we're just being REALISTIC. Ending the warlord 'system' is like trying to take away all the US citizens guns.

But it all got to start somewhere.

[moughoun]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|
We're not being un-supportive, we're just being REALISTIC. Ending the warlord 'system' is like trying to take away all the US citizens guns.

But it all got to start somewhere.
taking away American's gun's!! Durandal and Geezah would kill us all....ahhhhhhhhhhhh...... :(

[Seiyuuki]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|
We're not being un-supportive, we're just being REALISTIC. Ending the warlord 'system' is like trying to take away all the US citizens guns.

But it all got to start somewhere.

taking away American's gun's!! Durandal and Geezah would kill us all....ahhhhhhhhhhhh...... :(

:petting: You'll go down fighting, I hope.

[moughoun]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|
We're not being un-supportive, we're just being REALISTIC. Ending the warlord 'system' is like trying to take away all the US citizens guns.

But it all got to start somewhere.


taking away American's gun's!! Durandal and Geezah would kill us all....ahhhhhhhhhhhh...... :(

:petting: You'll go down fighting, I hope.
if by fighting, you mean wetting myself....then yes that's a certainty

[Romulus]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|
We're not being un-supportive, we're just being REALISTIC. Ending the warlord 'system' is like trying to take away all the US citizens guns.

But it all got to start somewhere.


taking away American's gun's!! Durandal and Geezah would kill us all....ahhhhhhhhhhhh...... :(

:petting: You'll go down fighting, I hope.
if by fighting, you mean wetting myself....then yes that's a certainty

rofl rofl

Classic. woot

[ibstolidude]

Why cant people ever support efforts to make things better in A-stan or Iraq
"o it cant be done" :roll:
I guess he should say "its too tough I will just sit on my ass like other useless politicians have done, why try to create some semblance of law and order"
He's trying, he needs support, I sure hope that the leaders of the countries represented in here dont have the same apathetic attitude. :|
We're not being un-supportive, we're just being REALISTIC. Ending the warlord 'system' is like trying to take away all the US citizens guns.
and yet efforts are underway and have been met with relative success. The strongest, richest and largest equiped warlord has already been removed.

[Flagg]

Would that be Dostrum?

If so, really?

He got 10% of the presidential vote.....and I don't think it was because of his sparkling personality.


If not Dostrum, then who?

[ibstolidude]

Would that be Dostrum?

If so, really?

He got 10% of the presidential vote.....and I don't think it was because of his sparkling personality.


If not Dostrum, then who?
IDostum - he may have held a great deal of power but look further west. Ismael Khan's removal from the gov position was not with out struggle however it happened. Where it goes from here is not yet completely determined. Their removal is needed, will happen and hopefully the warlords will be incorporated into the Kabul gov't in some manner.

[moughoun]

Would that be Dostrum?

If so, really?

He got 10% of the presidential vote.....and I don't think it was because of his sparkling personality.


If not Dostrum, then who?
IDostum - he may have held a great deal of power but look further west. Ismael Khan's removal from the gov position was not with out struggle however it happened. Where it goes from here is not yet completely determined. Their removal is needed, will happen and hopefully the warlords will be incorporated into the Kabul gov't in some manner.
preferably a jail cell

[ibstolidude]

Would that be Dostrum?

If so, really?

He got 10% of the presidential vote.....and I don't think it was because of his sparkling personality.


If not Dostrum, then who?
IDostum - he may have held a great deal of power but look further west. Ismael Khan's removal from the gov position was not with out struggle however it happened. Where it goes from here is not yet completely determined. Their removal is needed, will happen and hopefully the warlords will be incorporated into the Kabul gov't in some manner.
preferably a jail cell

too radical - it would draw too much criticism and ensure other warlords duke it out with gov't troops or worse. Besides IK jumped jail atleast twice - once w/the Taliban and once w/Soviet backed LBG's - I believe Dostum jumped once.

[Flagg]

Would that be Dostrum?

If so, really?

He got 10% of the presidential vote.....and I don't think it was because of his sparkling personality.


If not Dostrum, then who?
IDostum - he may have held a great deal of power but look further west. Ismael Khan's removal from the gov position was not with out struggle however it happened. Where it goes from here is not yet completely determined. Their removal is needed, will happen and hopefully the warlords will be incorporated into the Kabul gov't in some manner.
preferably a jail cell

too radical - it would draw too much criticism and ensure other warlords duke it out with gov't troops or worse. Besides IK jumped jail atleast twice - once w/the Taliban and once w/Soviet backed LBG's - I believe Dostum jumped once.

I guess you're damned if you do include those of Dostrum's ilk in sharing power(likely by Western media), and damned if you don't by the countless stumbling blocks warlords could erect to hinder the legitimate government's success and credibility.

I wonder if it's possible to play to the ego of people like the warlords.....erect some statues, stage some photo ops, give them important titles, even give them all the credit just for staying on the sidelines.....cause at the end of the day....it's the results that matter...not necessarily how you get there.

Afghanistan sounds like an extremely complex TV soap opera, except with lots of AK47s and RPGs.

[dacanadianbomb]

Its great to hear , one down ten more to go.
I think that the problem is compounded by the fact that some warlords are not only military power represenatives, but they feel or are seen as representing a certain " minority group " . Many of the outlying provinces of afghan. will never fully trust the Kabul government as long as there is not a member of their "tribe" leading it. And who is to blame them after so many years of fighting each other and the russians.

I figure it will take a generation or more, maybe the children being born right now, will be lucky enough to see a afghanistan that is independant in its actions where the tribal way of thinking will be a thing of the past. But a generation is probably too soon.

edit] just my 2 uninformed cents[/edit]