Rules of Info Security and info classtifation

[ArmoredDov_D9]

There are certain bits of information that should not be published (such as the nuclear codes of the USA rofl ). Since it is international forum, it is hard to tell what is classtified or not.

For example, it is commonly agreed that publishing exact figure about quntities of soldiers and weapons that one army has is damaging and violating field confidence and information classtifation.

I hope that the forum members and the admin could form togather a guide or a rulesbook about this issue and what things should stay unpublished.

[California Joe]

opsec. It's OK. I'm cleared. Honest.

[Fargin]

I think common sense should be included in the rulebook.

[RealUltimatePower]

Yea but about troop numbers I understand if its something like number of special forces in Afghanistan then it definetly shouldn't be public knowledge. But if we're talking about something which has already been published in Time or on Department of Defense websites then its ok to talk about it here. Since it's deemed not classified or is just disinformation in which case it's all good.

[California Joe]

If it's on the net it ain't classified. If it is and it's on the net, it's someone's ass. If they can find you.

[Argyll]

What brought this on?I think there was something similar posted about OPSEC here before,and if I recall it brought some guys from SOCNET over to do a little bit of sabre rattling,and they started rouffling a few feathers.
A lot of info about current Ops comes from official DOD sites anyways,or has been spoken about publicly too.

[Gordon]

How many people who post on this website have access to information like that. The only one's who would do are serving or have served and I think it's unlikely that they're going to post anything of that nature. Most of the stuff that's posted here has been read in books or grabbed of the net and as Joe said "If it's on the net it ain't classified. If it is and it's on the net, it's someone's ass. If they can find you."

[front]

Since it is international forum, it is hard to tell what is classified or not."

If you read it here it's not Top Secret anyway... it might be "classified" bullcrap but it's not Top Secret. :-)

cheers

front

[A$$MAN]

Armored Dov is simply braggin about the Israeli spies in America, especially of the one we have in prison who handed over to Israel numerous documents including nuclear codes. We couldn't indict him on charges of treason and espinonage due to a technicality.
If Israel is such an ally, why do they insist on spying on us?

[IDFM203]

Armored Dov is simply braggin about the Israeli spies in America, especially of the one we have in prison who handed over to Israel numerous documents including nuclear codes. We couldn't indict him on charges of treason and espinonage due to a technicality.
If Israel is such an ally, why do they insist on spying on us?first of all that spy didnt spy on the U.S. no, it took information from the U.S. on its arab enemies. The nuclear codes allegation is just that…an allegation with no proof whatoever.

Israel does not spy on the U.S

Oh and the U.S. doesn’t have spies in israel and it doesn have satlites that spy on Israeli locations……hell yeah they do!!!!

Stop being a hypocrite. All nations including friendly nations spy on each other. That’s just the way the world works.

[A$$MAN]

...Israel does not spy on the U.S....Stop being a hypocrite
Read about the Israel that "...does not spy on the US". http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/11/11/tenet/index.html
Basically, the article is about how Director Tenet would offer his resignation to Clinton if he would release spy Pollard--who handed over classified information to the Israelis.

[IDFM203]

...Israel does not spy on the U.S....Stop being a hypocrite
Read about the Israel that "...does not spy on the US". http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/11/11/tenet/index.html
Basically, the article is about how Director Tenet would offer his resignation to Clinton if he would release spy Pollard--who handed over classified information to the Israelis.Yes all it says there are damage to U.S. interests. Of course the information that Israel took on those Arab countries are just some of the interests to the U.S because those arab countries are of interest to the U.S because of their oil.

No, Israel did not spy on the U.S. and it certainly didn’t endanger any U.S. lives

Besides, that is one negative incident in the thirty plus years of mostly positive relations and friendship. One negative incident does not have any factor on rather a nation is a good ally or not!!

Oh and again....stop being hypocritical for you know as well as I do that the U.S has spies that are spying on Israel.

[Apogee]

Israel does not spy on the U.S

Oh and the U.S. doesn’t have spies in israel and it doesn have satlites that spy on Israeli locations……hell yeah they do!!!!

Stop being a hypocrite. All nations including friendly nations spy on each other. That’s just the way the world works.

1st Point - Israel Doesn't Spy on the US

2nd Point - All friendly nations spy on each other

Implied Point - Israel and the US are friendly nations

Lets try not to be hypocritcal either, ok? I know you are the chosen people, (Fiddler on the Roof?) but just think before you hit the little 'Submit' button.

[IDFM203]

Israel does not spy on the U.S

Oh and the U.S. doesn’t have spies in israel and it doesn have satlites that spy on Israeli locations……hell yeah they do!!!!

Stop being a hypocrite. All nations including friendly nations spy on each other. That’s just the way the world works.

1st Point - Israel Doesn't Spy on the US

2nd Point - All friendly nations spy on each other

Implied Point - Israel and the US are friendly nations

Lets try not to be hypocritcal either, ok? I know you are the chosen people, (Fiddler on the Roof?) but just think before you hit the little 'Submit' button.Well based on your previous posts, I suggest that you not just think before you hit that button but as well as before you start typing any information especially when its information that you pulled out of you A** (like for example your famous, “Israel flattening villages” comment and insinuation)

Oh and according to the Jewish and Christian bible in which both believe in, god does say that we are the chosen people. Now that is strictly a religious belief, which does not carry over on our day-to-day lives as well as attitudes. It’s in the theological realm and not in our practical lives.

[Adri]

do you think they would tell us if they did realy spy? rofl

[IDFM203]

do you think they would tell us if they did realy spy? roflOf course not, but it would really be naive not to mention not having any real grasp of reality, if you were to believe that they don’t.

[Argyll]

IDFm203 wrote

Besides, that is one negative incident in the thirty plus years of mostly positive relations and friendship. One negative incident does not have any factor on rather a nation is a good ally or not!!



USS Liberty!!!!!!!!
STFU!

[IDFM203]

IDFm203 wrote

Besides, that is one negative incident in the thirty plus years of mostly positive relations and friendship. One negative incident does not have any factor on rather a nation is a good ally or not!!



USS Liberty!!!!!!!!
STFU!
a, that was before Israel and the U.S. were allies or even had any relations. The U.S. and Israel only become allies only after Israel had become powerful on its own after its victory in 1967. The U.S. had nothing to do with that and at the time of the liberty incident the U.S. was not an ally of Israel.

B, that spy ship was in middle of a war zone in middle of an all out hot war. What was it doing there?!?. Spying on Israel to its enemies perhaps?!?

Anyways both governments ruled it an accident.

But again one negative incident in thirty plus years of friendship and mutual benefits doesn’t have an effect of whether Israel is a good ally or not......get it?!? Now you go STFU!!!

[Argyll]

Then IDF you've been posting so much double standards here by saying that the US has supported Israel since 48.
Stop posting crap that suits you,everysingle post that gets made here you immediately label false and untrue,your singlemindedness is getting tiresome.
Where did you get all the aircraft from after the 48 war?
Where did you get all the military equipment from after 1948?

From the USA!!!!!!!!! if this is having no relations then you must be so ignorantly blind that it's no wonder a lot of folks are getting pissed off with this whole Israel against the world attitude!!!........

Yeah both Governments kissed each others asses.........but you ask the survivors of that attack how they felt,and how they feel today!

[IDFM203]

Then IDF you've been posting so much double standards here by saying that the US has supported Israel since 48.
Stop posting crap that suits you,everysingle post that gets made here you immediately label false and untrue,your singlemindedness is getting tiresome.
Where did you get all the aircraft from after the 48 war?
Where did you get all the military equipment from after 1948?

From the USA!!!!!!!!! if this is having no relations then you must be so ignorantly blind that it's no wonder a lot of folks are getting pissed off with this whole Israel against the world attitude!!!........

Yeah both Governments kissed each others asses.........but you ask the survivors of that attack how they felt,and how they feel today!

Wrong wrong wrong!!! I never said that the U.S. has supported Israel from 1948 for that is not true. It is from 1967 after the six day war. Again I never said that!!!!! stop lying and putting words into my mouth!!!!

israel did not get any arms from the U.S. before 1967. Israel got its arms from France and Britain.. And it also was making its own arms by the sixties already.

As for the liberty. It was in middle of an all out war and both governments claim it was an accident. You never heard of the fog of war?!? Oh and Again that was before both nations were allies.

Oh and also, again what was that ship doing there ( I mean it wasn’t spying on israel to its enemies……..nooooooo it wouldn’t do that right?!?, I mean it doesn’t at the time need to curry favour for the Arabs for their oil….right?!?.

But again. It was before they were both allies and friends!!!!!!!!

[Argyll]

An extract from the 1956 Sinai campaign


Propeller-driven Mustangs opened the campaign by cutting Egyptian telephone wires, which hampered Egypt's communications in the Sinai. Soon afterwards, a formation of 16 Dakotas dropped paratroopers to secure the Mitla Pass, preventing the flow of reinforcements to the front. The IAF struck Egyptian convoys and took part in the land battles by giving close support along the front. Modern fighters and ancient war horses, such as the B-17 and Harvard, took part in the bombing. IAF fighters also acquitted themselves well in dogfights, downing seven enemy planes with no losses.

[IDFM203]

An extract from the 1956 Sinai campaign


Propeller-driven Mustangs opened the campaign by cutting Egyptian telephone wires, which hampered Egypt's communications in the Sinai. Soon afterwards, a formation of 16 Dakotas dropped paratroopers to secure the Mitla Pass, preventing the flow of reinforcements to the front. The IAF struck Egyptian convoys and took part in the land battles by giving close support along the front. Modern fighters and ancient war horses, such as the B-17 and Harvard, took part in the bombing. IAF fighters also acquitted themselves well in dogfights, downing seven enemy planes with no losses.


A, those armaments were not plentiful in the idf for the French and British armaments were the majority.

B, they did get those from the U.S but bought and paid for them. That is not support or anything. That is purely a business deal.

Fact…Israel and the U.S. were not allies before 1967 and did not get MOST of its arms from the U.S.

[Argyll]

:lol: but mate you said there were no relations at all!!a business deal is a relation is it not?
You also said I was wrong, it doesn't matter about the quantities,the facts are that there was US equipment bought and used by the Israeli's,prior to 67........M16 halftracks .......Shermans.......Thompson Machine Guns,BAR's.,and many more.
Actuall I read a really good article of how the IAF when it was formed proved to be very effective against the British Spitfires,good reading!

[Apogee]

Beyond that, a transaction of military goods is clearly support, whether or not the recieving country purchases or is given the equipment. We don't go around selling our equipment to any country. Only to those countries we support

And I'm getting really tired of getting lectured by some 16 year old kid who thinks he knows everything.[/i]

[IDFM203]

:lol: but mate you said there were no relations at all!!a business deal is a relation is it not?
You also said I was wrong, it doesn't matter about the quantities,the facts are that there was US equipment bought and used by the Israeli's,prior to 67........M16 halftracks .......Shermans.......Thompson Machine Guns,BAR's.,and many more.
Actuall I read a really good article of how the IAF when it was formed proved to be very effective against the British Spitfires,good reading!

No, it is clear that Israel didn’t get massive support from the U.S. buying some equipment doesn’t mean that they got support form that country.


The fact remains that MOST of Israel’s military hardwhere did NOT COME FROM THE U.S.

Again israel and the U.S. were not allies. That’s a fact!!!

[IDFM203]

And I'm getting really tired of getting lectured by some 16 year old kid who thinks he knows everything.[/i]
No I am tired of being lectured on the moralities and justifications of what I SAW and what Israel does, from some 15 year old west point wanabee.

I don’t think I know it all, but what I do know is that a lot of what’s spewed on this site about Israel and how it conducts its wars are completely false and are full of lies.

[A$$MAN]

And I'm getting really tired of getting lectured by some 16 year old kid who thinks he knows everything.[/i]
No I am tired of being lectured on the moralities and justifications of what I SAW and what Israel does, from some 15 year old west point wanabee.

GODDAMN kid, do your homework. This Cadet is the real deal. Man, has this site gone down hill.

[Argyll]

Actually this site rarely disscused the Israeli Military,other than to say it was doing a pretty good job against terrorists,until recently when the influx of Israeli members started posting one sided versions of everything,and seeing as the opposition were not here to refute your "facts" others took up their cause.

So what age are you then IDFm203?
Before you ask I'm 40 going on 12!!!!
Can you post your Military service for us all to see,then pehaps people will be a bit more respectful

[IDFM203]

And I'm getting really tired of getting lectured by some 16 year old kid who thinks he knows everything.[/i]
No I am tired of being lectured on the moralities and justifications of what I SAW and what Israel does, from some 15 year old west point wanabee.

GODDAMN kid, do your homework. This Cadet is the real deal. Man, has this site gone down hill. Hey I am to and not some 16 year old. GODDAMN you just wont let me respond in kind!!!! :bash:

Oh and that cadet hasn’t seen a fraction and experienced a fraction of what I saw when I was in the military. Just a cadet………. rofl rofl

[IDFM203]

Actually this site rarely disscused the Israeli Military,other than to say it was doing a pretty good job against terrorists,until recently when the influx of Israeli members started posting one sided versions of everything,and seeing as the opposition were not here to refute your "facts" others took up their cause.

So what age are you then IDFm203?
Before you ask I'm 40 going on 12!!!!Idon’t want to go back and forth here.

I have mostly one responded to your (and your “soul mates”) one sided versions!!!!!

Responded ..get it?!?

geeeeeeeeez :bash: :bash:

[Argyll]

By not answering the question you are open to being questionable!!

That is incorrect,how could somebody respond to something that hadn't been written,its the facts as you put it it that were initialy posted here by the Israeli members that people responded to,and therafter you responded to these responses!!

[A$$MAN]

Hey I am to and not some 16 year old. GODDAMN you just wont let me respond in kind!!!! :bash:

Oh and that cadet hasn’t seen a fraction and experienced a fraction of what I saw when I was in the military. Just a cadet………. rofl rofl
Ahhh. Indeed, I bet you are a seasoned warrior...another mighty seasoned internet warrior.
Look hitting the X,<--,X,O,Hold+X, doesn't make you a vet.

[Trigger]

...yawn.... p-)

[Apogee]

Yeah. I'm definatly a cadet here. If you care to dispute that, come on over, I live in the barracks next to GEN Eisenhower's statue. I know that isn't much now, but its the best way (at least in my eyes) to make a difference. I'm not claiming to be some super soldier or anything like that, just throwing in my 2 cents. If you are going to have a coronary over everything said here, then leave. I'd prefer to argue and learn from people who at least have an open mind.

If you truely did serve, then why don't you enlighten us all as to your military record. From what I see, you act very immature, completely different than anyone I've know who's seen combat. And you seem to spend your entire day at your computer, sounds more like a teenagers than a veteran 20 or 30 year old. Thats all I got.

Go Army Beat Navy

[A$$MAN]

My word Argyll, do you need spellcheck.

[Scrim]

Trigger-shall I prepare the monkey poo?

[Argyll]

TYR,
Probably,I woz nevr ne good at spelin ne way,i gess it hapens wen yoo tipe too fast and dont luk at the keebord at the same tyme!!

[A$$MAN]

Now you got to go back and edit that message about four times.

And on another note, I tried very hard on that PS2 joke, but no props...I guess I have no future in stand up. DAMN!

[Argyll]

I found it very funny actually,what game were you playing?
Mind you my spellings generally not too bad,like I said, its also past midnight here too an I'm very open to excuses!!
What was miss spelt anyway that caught your eye?
Also remeber that UK/US spelling also differs..........more excuses!!! :D

[A$$MAN]

Not any words, but the series of your posts with "edit X number of times". Yes, Americans and Brits, two great nations separated by a common language. Such as spelling

ME: defenSe YOU: defenCe
ME: humor YOU: humoUr

Or ****ounciation

ME: schedule with a hard /SK/ sound YOU: /SHHed/ sounds so POSH
ME: ZEEEEEEEEEE fuc*ing ZEEEEEEEE You: ZED you say ZED. "Hey ZEDs dead."




No game in particular, just a joke.

[Argyll]

ah the edits!!
No thats me seeing someones already responded to the post,so instead of double posting,I just go back and edit it!!

[Haiw]

*gets confused*
so this is what u call thread hijack? ;)

[Andyman]

No, it is clear that Israel didn’t get massive support from the U.S. buying some equipment doesn’t mean that they got support form that country.


The fact remains that MOST of Israel’s military hardwhere did NOT COME FROM THE U.S.

Again israel and the U.S. were not allies. That’s a fact!!!

Israel gets billions of dollars of support from the US

[ibstolidude]

sharp as a brick, that man.

wow

[Andyman]

Read this article:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_israel_us_support.php

according to the web site its goal is to provide unbiased truths about Israeli/Palestinian relations. They also provide quotable sources so at least they back up what they say.

[warchild1/27scout]

theres always gonna be three stories to that conflict. isreal's story, the palistinian's story and the truth which is whatever the U.S. says. :lol:

[IDFM203]

Yeah. I'm definatly a cadet here. If you care to dispute that, come on over, I live in the barracks next to GEN Eisenhower's statue. I know that isn't much now, but its the best way (at least in my eyes) to make a difference. I'm not claiming to be some super soldier or anything like that, just throwing in my 2 cents. If you are going to have a coronary over everything said here, then leave. I'd prefer to argue and learn from people who at least have an open mind.

If you truely did serve, then why don't you enlighten us all as to your military record. From what I see, you act very immature, completely different than anyone I've know who's seen combat. And you seem to spend your entire day at your computer, sounds more like a teenagers than a veteran 20 or 30 year old. Thats all I got.

Go Army Beat NavyListen. I didn’t want this to degenerate into this. I love and respect all U.S. military personal. The problem here is that you have taken this to a low level and forced me to sink to that level. It was you who first boldly lied with your whole village and artillery statement and it was you who first called me some child (a 16 year old). I am only responding to your put-downs.

listen lets get back on track. Ok your a cadet. Great. Next time act like one. At least sound argumentative in a true intellectual way. Saying outright lies that Israel levels villages and uses artillery is not an argumentative starting point for those are clear lies that are meant to antagonize.

Next calling a fellow soldier a 16 year old is to only expect a response in kind (which is what I did). don’t call me that and I want question your age or service either. Respect is a two way street and when you falsely question my credentials I have the same right to question yours in response.

Now I have served in the military. I was a paratrooper in the NACHAL brigade. I was stationed throughout the west bank from the beginning of the war until a about a year ago. Now more then that I am not going to say over here on the net. OPSEC rules apply to me as well.

Oh now that I have told you little about my service record perhaps you can reciprocate in kind. I mean where have you seen combat?!? Or what is you job in the military?!? have you served in the middle east?!?

I am in university now so I have some more time to go on the net here. I like this site. At least what its supposed to be. I have lurked here for a while before I joined. At first it was great. But I felt the need to join when I saw a clear attack from one side mainly by some European and Canadian members on the Israeli/palastin conflict and I felt the need to respond.


I am all for an open and constructive debate. I do not always trash an opposing argument or opinion. But when it is a clear lie (like razing a whole village or concentration camps) then mere counter arguments cant work because the starting point wasn’t one of an honest intellectual disagreement but was meant to antagonize.

I hope I have made a few things more clear.

My one rule is that I will treat others as I am treated. I have followed that to the letter here on this site and I only got aggressive when I was receiving an aggressive tone

shalom!!

[IDFM203]

No, it is clear that Israel didn’t get massive support from the U.S. buying some equipment doesn’t mean that they got support form that country.


The fact remains that MOST of Israel’s military hardwhere did NOT COME FROM THE U.S.

Again israel and the U.S. were not allies. That’s a fact!!!

Israel gets billions of dollars of support from the USyeah and that money only came after 1967.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Beeeesh... And here we are OFF the topic... again...

I know some of this forum members are soldiers in active duty and therefore have access to classtified information. I just wanted to be sure that none of you will spill something in the style of:


Tomorrow our 23 Godzilla Mk X tanks are ready to invade the Liberty Square in Pulptown to arrest Annon E Moose. I hope they won't throw grenades from the rooftops on our tanks because the turret armour is really a piece of shot LOL .

Although it is extragerated a bit, it contains the things that should not be exposed:

1. Oredeal and quantities of soldiers and equipment.
2. Designed operations.
3. Weak points of gear, weapons and secret technologies.

[Apogee]

Works for me 203. No, I've never seen combat. And I hope none of my comments implied that I had. I'm straight out of high school with a little more than 2 years in here. My job in the military is just what you said, a cadet. In less than two years, I'll be an infantry officer stationed who knows where.

The only reason I doubted your expiriance was just the manner you responded to things. But no worries. Glad we got all of that cleared up.

[IDFM203]

Works for me 203. No, I've never seen combat. And I hope none of my comments implied that I had. I'm straight out of high school with a little more than 2 years in here. My job in the military is just what you said, a cadet. In less than two years, I'll be an infantry officer stationed who knows where.

The only reason I doubted your expiriance was just the manner you responded to things. But no worries. Glad we got all of that cleared up.Yes I am happy that it is cleared up and I wish you good luck at west point. An institution that has my highest respect!!