Solve this terrorist situation

[exoninja]

A group of terrorists has taken over a plane with over 100 hostages and the plane has landed in your country's airport. The terrorists made their demands and said that the plane has been wired up with explosives. One of them has the detonation switch in his hands, and he's hiding among the hostages. If anyone tries to storm the plane, they will blow up the entire plane, together with the 100+ hostages.

If you are the counter-terror commanding officer put in-charge, what would you do?

[mack pl]

If you are the counter-terror commanding officer put in-charge, what would you do?

pray and call Delta ;)

[ibstolidude]

Call Chuck Norris.

[sp2c]

A group of terrorists has taken over a plane with over 100 hostages and the plane has landed in your country's airport. The terrorists made their demands and said that the plane has been wired up with explosives. One of them has the detonation switch in his hands, and he's hiding among the hostages. If anyone tries to storm the plane, they will blow up the entire plane, together with the 100+ hostages.

If you are the counter-terror commanding officer put in-charge, what would you do?

seriously dude

the situation you discribed is impossible ... you can't solve it either, I'd keep talking to the bad guys untill they blow up, give up or do something stupid I can use.

[il31]

Ehud Barak, the former Israeli Prime Minister, leading Sayeret MATKAL entry team (disguised as refueling personnel) during the Sabena air plane raid, 1972. This mission, officially known as Operation Isotope, was the first successful airplane raid in history. Same as in buses' hostage rescue tactics, the airplane raid techniques developed in the 1970's and in 1980's by Sayeret MATKAL and Unit YAMAM, are used globally even today

http://www.isayeret.com/overview/images/5_small.jpg
:)

[shrek]

If the terrorist is “hiding” among the hostages then the detonator is remote. Easy enough!

Of course you would call in your finest hit team (depending on country) in US probably Hostage Rescue!

Try and get a hostage off the plane, find out through relatives if there’s a hostage with a heart condition, use this as a reason to get him/her off the plane. If terrorist have demands and plans on getting away after they’re met then even they don’t want to accidentally kill a hostage, this would bring the heat down on them and the game is over!

If you can get a hostage off then get all you can from him. It would amaze you to know the intel you can get from even a un-observant person! The lack of wires running through the plane would help verify that the detonator is remote. He wouldn’t be able to “hide” among the terrorist if there’s wires running everywhere from under his seat!

Precaution: If it is wired, determine through some means where he’s sitting, either the witness you got off the plane or other means!

If you have verified that it is remote; Plan the hit, bombard the plane with jamming (it’s actually relatively easy to thwart these things) hit the plane, a few hostages hurt or killed maybe but otherwise a success.

If you cannot verify that it is remote or you have verified that it isn’t; can you verify what seat he (or she) is in? If so, place a charge outside to detonate inward and eliminate the threat. Yes, the risks are high but in a situation where they’re probably going to blow the whole plane, worth it!

My two cents!!

If the planners don’t think any of this will work; then call in Snake Bliskin

[Digital Marine]

A group of terrorists has taken over a plane with over 100 hostages and the plane has landed in your country's airport. The terrorists made their demands and said that the plane has been wired up with explosives. One of them has the detonation switch in his hands, and he's hiding among the hostages. If anyone tries to storm the plane, they will blow up the entire plane, together with the 100+ hostages.

If you are the counter-terror commanding officer put in-charge, what would you do?

Like the GSG9 did in Somalia! p-)

[shrek]

edit: It would also be very helpful if you knew whether the detonator is a "i'm holding it down and if I let go i goes off type!" If this is the case, ne Op Plan required!

[citizen-k]

Ehud Barak, the former Israeli Prime Minister, leading Sayeret MATKAL entry team (disguised as refueling personnel) during the Sabena air plane raid, 1972. This mission, officially known as Operation Isotope, was the first successful airplane raid in history. Same as in buses' hostage rescue tactics, the airplane raid techniques developed in the 1970's and in 1980's by Sayeret MATKAL and Unit YAMAM, are used globally even today

http://www.isayeret.com/overview/images/5_small.jpg
:)

Benjamin Netanyahu, another former Israeli Prime Minister was also on the same team and he was wounded during the operation.
(got shot or shomething like that)

[il31]

כן את צודק אבל אני בשבלי גנדי אדיף

נב אני דסלקת ו לא עולה חדש

[Meph]

I would copy the plan used by the Israelis. There doesn't appear to be a way to do it without some civilian casualties.

[Meph]

I would copy the plan used by the Israelis. There doesn't appear to be a way to do it without some civilian casualties.

[OB Kenobi]

Ehud Barak, the former Israeli Prime Minister, leading Sayeret MATKAL entry team (disguised as refueling personnel) during the Sabena air plane raid, 1972. This mission, officially known as Operation Isotope, was the first successful airplane raid in history. Same as in buses' hostage rescue tactics, the airplane raid techniques developed in the 1970's and in 1980's by Sayeret MATKAL and Unit YAMAM, are used globally even today

http://www.isayeret.com/overview/images/5_small.jpg
:)

Are you sure there was a bomb on board? Read this:


OPERATION ISOTOPE

Israel's Sayeret Matkal vs. the Black September Organisation

The scenario was nothing short of absolute desperation. Four heavily-armed Black September Palestinian terrorists, two men and two women, held a Sabena Belgian Airlines Boeing 707 jetliner and 100 passengers hostage on the sun-baked tarmac of Tel Aviv�s Lod Airport. They demanded the release of 300 of their jailed comrades and large sums of cash. If these conditions were not met, they would begin executing their captives, one every five minutes. The authorities decided that a tactical solution was the hostages� only hope. Just before noon, men dressed as aircraft mechanics began assembling near the landing gear. Armed with Beretta 9mm automatics, they swiftly climbed up the aircraft's metal frame and poised themselves outside the main cabin door. Cocking their weapons and taking deep breaths, the men began racing through the aisles in search of the terrorists. The hostages screamed as gunfire erupted in the cabin, but followed the soldiers' orders and crawled to the exits. The male terrorists were killed in the 90-second gun battle and the female hijackers were wounded and taken into custody. Every one of the passengers was saved

[wiking]

call SAS, they invented most tactics used by Counter terrorism teams today.

But in a ****e situation like this you'd have to talk to them and see if you could get them off. Atleast get started with negotiations to keep them occupied.

[Argyll]

Not easy to wire up a whole plane to detonate,unless it was prepared prior to departure.

I'd use the aircraft's system,flood it with incapacitating agent,send in the "cleaners"..............other than that offer them a free "MacDonalds" and political Asylum.......seems to work for everyone else!!

[ZaakM433]

if we blow the plane up - it will keep the terrorists from blowing it up, and kill the terrorists! :lol:

[Zander]

as you saw with beslan incapacitating agents will not work anymore

in this situation i think its ****ed, maybe you can negociate and save kids

[Poontang_Dan]

Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. All while you gather all info and wait for them to make a mistake. And they will.

And for the hrt orders should emphasize:
"Kill all the fokers." :fork:

[Argyll]

as you saw with beslan incapacitating agents will not work anymore

in this situation i think its f***, maybe you can negociate and save kids

I wasn't aware the Russians tried to use such agents at Beslan,sure in Moscow theatre where it was a small contained building,but a plane can be sealed easily,after all it has to be for pressurisation at altitude,so sealing it on the deck is not a problem,also when the "cleaners" are in the a/c can be used to circulate clean air pretty quickly.....also they have a model to test out the strength of the mixture........so I'd say it was still perfectly feasable ;)

[Zander]

as you saw with beslan incapacitating agents will not work anymore

in this situation i think its f***, maybe you can negociate and save kids

I wasn't aware the Russians tried to use such agents at Beslan,sure in Moscow theatre where it was a small contained building,but a plane can be sealed easily,after all it has to be for pressurisation at altitude,so sealing it on the deck is not a problem,also when the "cleaners" are in the a/c can be used to circulate clean air pretty quickly.....also they have a model to test out the strength of the mixture........so I'd say it was still perfectly feasable ;)


http://img120.exs.cx/img120/1582/1526.jpg

this is what i was talking about

i guess you saw this video and like russian authorities got their message

[exoninja]

A group of terrorists has taken over a plane with over 100 hostages and the plane has landed in your country's airport. The terrorists made their demands and said that the plane has been wired up with explosives. One of them has the detonation switch in his hands, and he's hiding among the hostages. If anyone tries to storm the plane, they will blow up the entire plane, together with the 100+ hostages.

If you are the counter-terror commanding officer put in-charge, what would you do?

seriously dude

the situation you discribed is impossible ... you can't solve it either, I'd keep talking to the bad guys untill they blow up, give up or do something stupid I can use.

I'm not really posting a quiz of some sort here. I intentionally posted a situation which is quite possible and feasible, and sounds impossible for the CT to win, to see the response here. Because, if this kind of setup is a near 100% win for the terrorists, what's going to stop them from doing it?

[Khabbi]

depends on who's on the plane :D

[RomanS]

very sensitive subject and question

You not going to find a correct answer for this, especially here. But Im sure big brother is watching you now.
I'm not saying you are a terrorist, but you must remember what age we live in today. This topic, especially your question is very sensitive for today.

I'm sure many CT teams in the world have their tactics for this type of situation.

[Flagg]

Cover the plane with JP and light a match.

Release a statement saying Kaiser Zosa does not negotiate with terrorists.

OR send in the naked Judo-chopping Fembots.....

[GrimmyRX]

*Sings a song*

I don't know but I've been told
Carpet bombing is mighty bold

*sings a song*

:lol:

[sp2c]

I'm not really posting a quiz of some sort here. I intentionally posted a situation which is quite possible and feasible, and sounds impossible for the CT to win, to see the response here. Because, if this kind of setup is a near 100% win for the terrorists, what's going to stop them from doing it?
because you're talking about a whole lot of explosives that needs to get on that plane ... it will be difficult on most airports the say the least.

a small amount of explosives can take an aircraft out in the air but you need a whole lot more to blow up 100 hostages.

That's why I do not think it's a feasible or indeed posible scenario .. but if it does happen then there's no way out except negotiations I wouldn't even risk my highly trained special forces on a suicide mission like that.

I say talk untill they give in, blow up or do something stupid (like removing the explosives).

[dacanadianbomb]

I like that idea Shrek had with the explosives underneath his seat :-) Take it up the.
The Gas thing is pretty good as well, in a sealed enviroment, it would act a lot stronger, yet you would have the hostages breath in a crap load of it too.

I am with stoli on this one, Chuck Norris all the way. To increase efficiency, I say you include Dolph Lundgren and Jean claude van damme,l as you knwo they can work in a team as in universal soldier.

[sp2c]

I'd have to go with sam fisher

he has a 3 bright shining lights on his face and still he manages to be invicible ... he's the man for the job woot

http://www.nators.com/Sam%20Fisher.jpg

[exoninja]

I'm not really posting a quiz of some sort here. I intentionally posted a situation which is quite possible and feasible, and sounds impossible for the CT to win, to see the response here. Because, if this kind of setup is a near 100% win for the terrorists, what's going to stop them from doing it?
because you're talking about a whole lot of explosives that needs to get on that plane ... it will be difficult on most airports the say the least.

a small amount of explosives can take an aircraft out in the air but you need a whole lot more to blow up 100 hostages.

That's why I do not think it's a feasible or indeed posible scenario .. but if it does happen then there's no way out except negotiations I wouldn't even risk my highly trained special forces on a suicide mission like that.

I say talk untill they give in, blow up or do something stupid (like removing the explosives).

Perhaps it's a plane from a Middle East country. For all you know, the customs guy may be playing "Allah Akbar" with the terrorists too.

Even if a large amount of explosives doesn't seems feasible, at least something enough to kill half the hostages would be possible?

[sp2c]

anyways even if they can kill 20 or 25 of them instantly I don't think you should risk assaulting them untill they made a mistake.

I'd start with clearing out the press so the people inside can't see what's happening outside live on tv, then aproach from a blind angle make a hole somewhere and get some guys inside ... then wait for the mistake

[RFSU]

What a stupid question. Do you honestly expect anyone with knowladge of such tactics to give you an answer?

Call superman :roll:

[Raistlin]

Perhaps it's a plane from a Middle East country.
If it's from Iraq, Syria, Iran and such then, seriously, who cares?

[Fliptape]

would a EMP directed at the plane dissable the electronics that set of the bomb, anyone know?

[havz]

I was actually going to say the same thing. EMP

[Zander]

would a EMP directed at the plane dissable the electronics that set of the bomb, anyone know?

if they use remote controle yes

if they use wires to detonate explosives no

[Zander]

I'm not really posting a quiz of some sort here. I intentionally posted a situation which is quite possible and feasible, and sounds impossible for the CT to win, to see the response here. Because, if this kind of setup is a near 100% win for the terrorists, what's going to stop them from doing it?
because you're talking about a whole lot of explosives that needs to get on that plane ... it will be difficult on most airports the say the least.

a small amount of explosives can take an aircraft out in the air but you need a whole lot more to blow up 100 hostages.

That's why I do not think it's a feasible or indeed posible scenario .. but if it does happen then there's no way out except negotiations I wouldn't even risk my highly trained special forces on a suicide mission like that.

I say talk untill they give in, blow up or do something stupid (like removing the explosives).


they can use the fuel in the plane, then they dont need so much explosive

they just have to mine the cockpit, doors, access panels
and put some explosives on fuel tanks

[Fliptape]

will an emp wave kill a battery? if so, where will the power to set of a EOD come from?

[Pooga]

Give 'em what they want and then kill 'em. Baddabingbaddaboom.

Or, design planes with ejection seats for every seat. If there's a problem passenger, hit a button and out they go.

[demotivater]

Or, design planes with ejection seats for every seat. If there's a problem passenger, hit a button and out they go.

:P

[RSK]

I think exoninja is a terrorist and is looking for some situations that he can expect to see if he does go through with his plans!

[martinexsquaddie]

give them assylum and a council flat worked last time :roll: :(

[Raistlin]

Just do it in Europe and you'll for sure succeed p-)

[Zander]

will an emp wave kill a battery? if so, where will the power to set of a EOD come from?

faraday cage + hardened wires

you can also use chemical reaction to detonate the bomb

anyway detonate a emp bomb above an airport is not very realistic