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walford
11-10-2004, 03:21 AM
My interpretation: China is rhetorically preparing the region for more aggressive activities. [Text bolded by me for easier skimming]

Japan's Sabre Rattling Affronts China's Integrity (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200411/10/eng20041110_163389.html)
People's Daily (China)
China on Tuesday expressed its grave concerns over Japanese media reports fabricating the "China threat" and on the three hypotheses under which China could attack Japan.

Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said such reports are baseless and beyond understanding. China pursues a road of peaceful development and its development poses no threat to any one, she said.

"We oppose to anyone fabricating or instigating the so-called 'China threat.' The parties concerned should give up their Cold War mentality and work to promote peace and development in Asia, and the world as whole," she said.

Japan's Kyodo news agency reportedly revealed on Sunday the country's Defence Agency will revise its security strategy based upon three hypotheses under which China could attack Japan.

If war broke out across the Taiwan Straits, the mainland might attack Japan to thwart US forces positioned in Japan to aid Taiwan, the agency allegedly said.

Their main concern argued that with the territorial disputes between China and Japan increasingly sharpening, China might obtain the Diaoyu Islands by force. They also believe China might take every possible means to defend its interests in the East China Sea.

Such logic full of imaginations is clearly provocative and reveals Tokyo's Cold War mentality, said a commentary by China Daily, Nov. 10.

In essence, it is an attempt by Japan to intervene in the settlement of the Taiwan question and domestically legalize their claim of sovereignty over the Diaoyu Islands and territory in the East China Sea.

It is nothing less than an affront to China's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Taiwan's independence trumpeter enjoys a high degree of popularity among a number of Japanese rightist forces.

The island's separatists have made unremitting efforts to establish ties with Japan's new-generation of politicians, especially those in congress.

Compared with their forerunners, they attach more importance to keeping a balance across the Straits. It is their viewpoint that a US-Japan defence should include Taiwan in its scope.

They even propose Japan should upgrade its substantial ties with the island whatever attitude the Chinese mainland holds.

Japan's attempt to intervene in the Taiwan Straits not only poses uncertainties in Sino-Japanese relations but risks torpedoing peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region.

As for Japan's ownership claim on the Diaoyu Islands and the wrangling between the two over energy and territory in the East China Sea, there is overwhelming evidence to indicate the Diaoyu Islands have been part of Chinese territory since ancient times. And China's oil and gas explorations in the East China Sea are being carried out in China's indisputable coastal waters. They are within the scope of China's sovereignty.

Japan has from time to time made irresponsible statements and taken irresponsible actions. These seriously damage Sino-Japanese relations and go far to assume China as a foe rather than regional, responsible friend.

As Japan's relationship with China is already undermined by frequent visits by high-profile officials to the Yasukuni Shrine, Tokyo is hardly undertaking fence-mending efforts. Instead, it seems bent on pursuing measures in the opposite direction, concludes the commentary.

Unidentified Submarine Spotted Off Japan (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041110/D868P10O0.html)
Excite News

Japan's navy forces went on alert early Wednesday after a foreign submarine was briefly spotted in its territorial waters, the government's top spokesman said.

The sub's country of origin and other details could not immediately be determined.

A reconnaissance aircraft and destroyer were dispatched to investigate, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda said.

The aircraft confirmed the submarine had entered Japanese territorial waters near the Sakishima islands in southern Okinawa prefecture but that it later left, he said.

Defense chief Yoshinori Ono issued an alert order to the navy, Hosoda said without elaborating.

"It's extremely regrettable," Hosoda said. "We have to find out and examine the details, including its purpose and origin."

Japan has been considering ways to boost its maritime defenses after a shoot out with a suspected North Korean spy ship in December 2001.

In that incident, Japanese Coast Guard patrol boats sank the suspected spy ship in a gunbattle off southwestern Japan. The patrol vessels returned fire only after the ship, ordered to stop, opened fire with a rocket and guns.

The Sakishima islands lie in waters between the northeastern tip of Taiwan and Okinawa's main island - some 1,000 miles south of Tokyo.

The Chinese Dragon Submerges (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28740&highlight=)
Asia Times

Over the past decade China has been expanding and enhancing its maritime forces to make them blue-water capable. A major focus is submarines, the Chinese Dragon U-boat. An obvious inference is the use of subs in the narrow, shallow Taiwan Strait in a possible conflict with "renegade" Taiwan, but military analysts say submarines are virtually obsolete and would easily be killed by ships and planes in the strait.

Still, the submarine, that sleek high-tech military platform, is an important symbol of prestige for both China and Taiwan, where the Legislative Yuan is battling over the military budget. Both Beijing and Taiwan are acquiring the vessels, despite what may be the futility of their deployment in a conflict.

A Chinese appraisal of future naval warfare in 2001, translated by the Foreign Broadcasting International Service of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), concludes that "the prospect for using submarines is good, because of their covertness and power. Submarines are menaces existing anywhere, at any time." In the same report, another Chinese analyst affirmed that "submarines are the maritime weapons posing the greatest threat to an aircraft carrier formation. Submarines are also our navy's core force."

2Sheds_Jackson
11-10-2004, 12:36 PM
Beijing issued a statement today;
"We remain outraged at Japan's assessment of China as a military threat, and so as a result, we will increase our defense spending, already the highest in this hemisphere, by a full 10% to increase our security" :lol:

walford
11-10-2004, 02:03 PM
Apparently it is has been deemed likely that the sub is Chinese:

Chinese submarine puts Japan on Red alert (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11345676%255E663,00.html)
AFP 11nov04

JAPAN was on alert yesterday after a suspected Chinese nuclear submarine entered its territorial waters.

The submarine was detected in Japanese waters near islands disputed with China about 300km southwest of Okinawa, a southern Japanese island home to a major US military base.

A Defence Agency spokesman said Japan had, between Friday and Monday, sighted two Chinese ships near southern Japan – one designed to rescue submarines and the other to tow wrecked ships.

The Chinese ships were in international waters 1000km south of Tokyo, said the spokesman, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda.

A surveillance plane saw the submarine and was tracking the vessel on Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's orders, Mr Hosoda said.

"We are following it to determine what action it will take from now on," he said.

Japan wants the submarine to surface and show its flag, but has not given orders to attack the boat because it was in international waters.

The only other time Japan has ordered such a hunt was in March 1999, when two suspected North Korean ships were identified in the Sea of Japan. A plane dropped 12 bombs as a warning.

China voiced outrage on Wednesday after a leaked Japanese report said defence planners in Tokyo were preparing strategies in the event of a Chinese attack.

J-10
11-11-2004, 02:34 AM
Japan wants the submarine to surface and show its flag, but has not given orders to attack the boat because it was in international waters.


So that's all guesswork. Many countries have subs, why it must be Chinese? and its "it was in international waters."

walford
11-11-2004, 03:10 AM
So that's all guesswork. Many countries have subs, why it must be Chinese? and its "it was in international waters."
All of this is contained in the excerpted articles:
1. The sub was first detected in Japanese territorial waters.
2. Salvage ships flying the PLN ensign are currently near the sub.
3. China has named a dispute with Japan over a recently discovered gas field
4. China has expressed concern that Japan may help the US protect Taiwan when it finally takes the island by force [or threat of force]
5. China is on a long-range program of building armed forces capable of regional power projection, including a fleet of submarines.

J-10
11-11-2004, 04:32 AM
So that's all guesswork. Many countries have subs, why it must be Chinese? and its "it was in international waters."
All of this is contained in the excerpted articles:
1. The sub was first detected in Japanese territorial waters.
2. Salvage ships flying the PLN ensign are currently near the sub.
3. China has named a dispute with Japan over a recently discovered gas field
4. China has expressed concern that Japan may help the US protect Taiwan when it finally takes the island by force [or threat of force]
5. China is on a long-range program of building armed forces capable of regional power projection, including a fleet of submarines.


A Defence Agency spokesman said Japan had, between Friday and Monday, sighted two Chinese ships near southern Japan – one designed to rescue submarines and the other to tow wrecked ships.


What's the meaning "designed to"? Hope they could show a real pic of "rescue" and " tow" the "suspected" submarine to prove the "link" more clearly. :P

n4292936
11-11-2004, 05:19 AM
Many of the things in the article you posted are accurate reflection of Japanese SDF sentiments. Even American concerns extend to the safety of their bases in Okinowa in the event of conflict in the Taiwan straights. While Japan is not formally obligated (their constitution formerly precludes "cooperative defence") to aid America in the event of conflict with China, it would almost certainly offer logistics and transport support.

Its not so much Chinese saber rattling as it is poor handling of a sentiment that is widely held in defence communities. This is nothing new really. Since the Japanese Defence White Paper in 2000 came out identifying China as the largest looming threat (ahead of the DPRK) This proposition has been widely known in defence and intel circles. Its just another minor flare up. More will come...

n4292936
11-11-2004, 05:22 AM
Japan wants the submarine to surface and show its flag, but has not given orders to attack the boat because it was in international waters.


So that's all guesswork. Many countries have subs, why it must be Chinese? and its "it was in international waters." If I can just weigh in here for a sec... its either a DPRK, Russian, or Chinese sub. The russians aren't so active in that area nowadays, I would personally be surprised if it was a DPRK sub given recent diplomatic activity, and if it was either a ROK or US sub it wouldnt be an issue. It should not be surprising to anyone to find out that it is a Chinese Sub.

Bluezoo
11-11-2004, 02:02 PM
I'm not surprised.