sigg 552

[The Patriot]

y doesnt the u.s. military use sigg-552 rifles ??? is there a problem with them ? :roll:

[AndyMUC]

Why should they use them???

The M4 is way better. Better ergonomy, more equipment, easier to handle.

[Minjin]

I think American forces like American weapons. Good enough answer for me.

[Ratamacue]

Note that American forces use the Beretta M9 (Italian), Fabrique Nationale M249 and M240 (Belgian). Not to mention that the M16A2's issued to the US Military are now produced by Fabrique Nationale.

As for the SIG55x series, what advantages does it have over the current M4/M16 system? None that I see...

[Kitsune]

It is true...any nation with a significant small arms industry wants to use homemade weapons.
Not just because of power but also because of pride. Note waht great pains the Brits take to field a british rifle. For decades they developed and worked on their SA80 rifle...
As far as the swiss rifles SiG 550/551/552 are concerned...
they are said to be simply great. Pecise, durable, versatile.
They are among the best rifles today, and its not fair that one hears so little of them. But as said, other nations rather use their own products.


p-)

[Chops]

Didnt I hear somewhere recently that CAG had ordered a heap of SIG rifles? Cant remember deignation- will have to search around for the source.

Rgds

Chops

[Mark Sman]

The Government and Colt's settled the dispute in 1997. The settlement agreement provided, among other things, that the Government would not be permitted to use the M4 TDP in a competitive procurement until the year 2011. Because of this limitation on the use of the M4 TDP, the Army subsequently awarded Colt's a sole-source contract to furnish M4 carbines.

http://www.ffhsj.com/govtcon/ffgalert/gcarch/nb981206.htm

[GearGod]

"The M4 is way better. Better ergonomy, more equipment, easier to handle"

AndyMUC: Read this and say that again: http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/21stcenturyrifle.htm

[TacoDelRio]

Personally, I'd like to use an M14, but hell, I'm not everyone, and so many people are scared of recoil.

:bash: Hooah p-)

[AndyMUC]

Sorry adambalhetchet,

I couldn't open the link but what wrote was based on personal experience and what I've heard fron other experienced Servicemen and shooters. I used a Diemaco C8 (canadian equvalent to M4) in Service and I've shot the 552 on civil basis in in Switzerland and Austria.
The 552 is an excelent weapon and if I couldn't get an M4 this would be my second choise even before the HK53 or STEYER AUG.

I think Ratamacue and kitsune are both right with their answers although you have to remember that all the weaopns Ratamacue counted are produced on licence in the US.

Personally it would surprise me if there weren't any SIGs in the somewere in the arsenals of the special Forces.

[Desert-Fox]

i dont get why so few americans use the M14

[AndyMUC]

i dont get why so few americans use the M14

Actually that is another threat.
The main reason may be that it is simply too old, too big, too heavy and you can't carry that much ammo with you.
The M14 is still in Use with the Special Forces as a tactical support weapon.


greetings


Andy

[TacoDelRio]

Most soldiers grew up not as soldiers, or knowing that they were going to be soldiers. Those who did want to be soldiers, and knew it for years, like me, grew up different. I don't mind lugging a heavy rifle or weapon around ALL day, and making DAMN sure each shot counts, because hunting does that to you, especially in the desert and low brush around here in Southern Kalifornia. I would use the old, heavy, small ammo carryable M14, because it better fits me than any small, compact, subcompact, or whatever little carbine. Plus if I have to shoot an enemy, I don't want to worry about him not dying immediatly, then getting up or shooting me in the ass.

Hooah! p-)

[rnwang]

Why does the US Armed Forces not use the SIG 552? The simple answer is because they have a well functioning, battle tested equivalent in the M16 family.

I find it funny that after 50 years there still is a debate between the Garand/M14 v. M16. But here we go again.

Combat has proven the superiority of the 5.56 round. But then again being shot at by anything is pretty bad.

If you want to shoot 7.62, the FN FAL is a far better weapon, as the US Army tests of 1952 proved.

Since we're all giving our two cents about the best combat rifle, give me the good old kalashnikov. Sure it ain't sexy like the M4, HK's and others, but it keeps on going and going and going. Do anything you want to it and it will fire and if it can fire - it can kill.

[GearGod]

What about the SR25/7.62 shooting M16? Why not use that instead of the M14? BTW Anyone got any photos of the SIG522? Does it have picatinny rails on it? Is it a small, compact weapon like the M4?

[Loke]

The new SIG SG 552 upper has an integrated picatinny rail and no rear sight:
http://www.home.no/jervno/SIG552RailDown2.jpg
The 552 itself is a pretty compact weapon (8" barrel) and should not be compared to the M4.
http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/ta/261-17.jpg


The 551 is more in the same category as an M4 carbine when comparing performance.

[Kitsune]

Yeah, it is more akin to the shortened M4 S or the HK G 36C. In essence an SMG sized assault rifle for CQ Combat or if mission profile calls for a very light and handy weapon. The advantage over real SMGs (like MP5) is the higher penetration capability because of the rifle ammo this type of weapon uses.

[GearGod]

Can an RAS/RIS/4 Side Picatinny rail be installed on the Sig??:

http://www.lightfighter.com/KAC/KAC-M4-RAS.jpg

[Jedi]

While the SIG 550, 551, and 552 are unquestionably good weapons, the question of why the US doesn't use it seems a little uneducated to me.

Lets look at all of the factors that are impacted by rifle selection:

First we have training. This is a GIANT issue. All through their training cycles, infantry are drilled on how to load, reload, clear malfunctions, and field strip their M16. It is drilled untill it becomes second nature to them, and then drilled some more.

Next we have weight. It is a simple fact that soldiers can carry more 5.56 rounds then 7.62. In a situation where bullet placement is not usually optimal (such as under the stress of live battle) reality says that more bullets is better than less.

Finally we have Pride and Economics. The Armalight series of weapons was pioneered in the United States. Not withstanding the recent use of FN manufactured M4s, almost all of the weapons used by the US military are assembled in this country, giving jobs to Americans and returning the investment of the military through taxes.

That is just my opinion though...

[Loke]

Can an RAS/RIS/4 Side Picatinny rail be installed on the Sig??

Yes, the swiss company Brügger&Thomet has just started manufacturing them for the 551 and 552 carbines:
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/maiden/bt_552.jpg