The first SW-4 helicopter for Polish Army

[REMOV]

The excursion around the first mass-produced Polish SW-4 training helicopter for the Army.

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Source (http://www.pzl.swidnik.pl/AN2000/04_SW4/2116_p_sw4opis.htm)

The PZL SW-4 is a single turbine, light, multipurpose helicopter designed to carry up to 4 passengers and a pilot under day and night VFR and IFR conditions. The helicopter has a conventional rotor system and is powered by single Rolls-Royce Allison 250 C20-R/2(SP) engine with 457hp (336kW) of power. Maximum take-off weight is 1800kg. Helicopter has skid landing gear.

The helicopter has a fully articulated three blade main rotor and two blade tail rotor. All blades are of glassfibre-epoxy. The helicopter has a sliding door on each side and a hinged door panel just forward of each sliding door. Such doors arrangement without the post in-between enables convenient access to the cabin. The baggage compartment with capacity of 0,85m3 (150kg) is located in the rear fuselage section.

[Kekkonen]

Reminds me a little of the Eurocopter Fennec (which is also used for training in Australia
for example). Is there any information about the approximate unit price on one of these
SW-4´s?

http://www.pzl.swidnik.pl/AN2000/04_SW4/sw4military_700.jpg
In this version it indeed looks like the Fennec

[sp2c]

hot!

[RSK]

Not a bad little chopper!

[REMOV]

Is there any information about the approximate unit price on one of these SW-4´s?Ca. 700 000 USD.

[varsovie]

Do You see that all pictuers are making on the ground - no on the fly pictures :( . Why ? Because it can't fly rofl rofl rofl rofl ;)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Do You see that all pictuers are making on the ground - no on the fly pictures :( . Why ? Because it can't fly rofl rofl rofl rofl ;)

You, sir, are an idiot.


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[varsovie]

[quote=varsovie]Do You see that all pictuers are making on the ground - no on the fly pictures :( . Why ? Because it can't fly rofl rofl rofl rofl ;)
You, sir, are an idiot.
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it was a joke woot ~Brzeszyczykiewicz.
Look on Your mini-picture (person profile) You are better with face of leader of regim country ?

[FinnishMF]

Nice wartime arty spotter :)

[Heinzi]

Very nice looking bird. Looks perfect for training!

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

it was a joke woot ~Brzeszyczykiewicz.
Look on Your mini-picture (person profile) You are better with face of leader of regim country ?

Yeah saddam and I have one thing common: we lack the sense of humor.

[b.scheller]

Poland is moving towards modernisation, one thing for sure these little bad boys are much better then the current equipment Poland owns.

[Marmot1]

Cool... now we should pack it with electronics and use it as a survivalence/light atack copter (like Kiowa)... Did't know that polish army ordered them.... any info about numbers?

[mack pl]

... any info about numbers?

IIRC 47

[tony6]

Damn it, REMOV - You've just killed me with those photos!
I know that Army ordered about 40 SW-4s but it's first time I see it in Army camo. Nice. I wonder when are we going to adopt low-visibility version of our white/red aviation chequerboard.

[Herrmannek]

Would you believe that this bird was oryginaly meant as cheap air taxi platform? And main factor of it was to build a choper with very low price for hour of flight?

[fdt]

Lousy upholstery...

http://kaiss.wsosp.deblin.pl/sw4/sw4_36.jpg

BTW, do they come in version for smokers?

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[Kekkonen]

http://kaiss.wsosp.deblin.pl/sw4/sw4_37.jpg

What are all those buttons for?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Overall this helo is a great machine, but:
- PZL should develop a glass-cockpit version... new helo with only conventional avionics in 2004 is an anachronism to me...
- the camo is really f*ked up. I really don't see a point behind painting whole machine in a US-style low-visibility camo and then placing a giant shiny white and red chessboard on it. The chessboard should be much smaller or/and painted with the camo colours (green/black)... The current version can only work as a sign for the enemy AAA: "please aim here" .

[Maciek]

Overall this helo is a great machine, but:
- PZL should develop a glass-cockpit version... new helo with only conventional avionics in 2004 is an anachronism to me...
- the camo is really f*ked up. I really don't see a point behind painting whole machine in a US-style low-visibility camo and then placing a giant shiny white and red chessboard on it. The chessboard should be much smaller or/and painted with the camo colours (green/black)... The current version can only work as a sign for the enemy AAA: "please aim here" .

- I dont think that glass-cockpit is anachronism for a small helo like SW-4, it is for sure less expensive
- Damn right with the camo

[Maciek]

some relase for old MI2
http://www.amw.com.pl/images/zos_products/zos_5_06.jpg

[YankeeDeVallecas]

Most of those aren't buttons but circuit breakers, some toggle swithches.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

- I dont think that glass-cockpit is anachronism for a small helo like SW-4, it is for sure less expensive

SW-4 will serve as a basic trainer for helicopter pilots for the next 20-30 years, and by the time all combat helos will have glass cockpit avionics.

But replacing the old avionics with the new one shouldn't be a problem, PZL- Okecie already did it with their PZL-130 Orlik (TC-III version will have the same avionics as American Texan-II)

[Marmot1]

- I dont think that glass-cockpit is anachronism for a small helo like SW-4, it is for sure less expensive

SW-4 will serve as a basic trainer for helicopter pilots for the next 20-30 years, and by the time all combat helos will have glass cockpit avionics.

But replacing the old avionics with the new one shouldn't be a problem, PZL- Okecie already did it with their PZL-130 Orlik (TC-III version will have the same avionics as American Texan-II)

But price would be not 700 000$ but 7 000 000$ if you put digital avionics and glass cockpit and remember this one is meant as basic training helo so far so it should be as cheap as possible sine we are not so rich country...

[Herrmannek]

earlier or later, but rather ealier that bird will be used as that one: with benches on side and delta on them :)
http://www.uploadimgs.com/upload/784.jpg

And i agree with marmot1, there is no need to mount glass cockpit in so small birds esspecialy you can get few ones without instead of one with, you can always add battlefield awarnes displays later as independent system...

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[lancejack]

Delta^^. There is no such unit as Delta! :D

[mack pl]

Delta^^. There is no such unit as Delta! :D

wrong thread dude ;)

[Marmot1]

What's up with those small whells??? on flight they disapear... are they mounted on ground or what?

[perdurabo]

What's up with those small whells??? on flight they disapear... are they mounted on ground or what?
its ground gear for taxing.
when helo lands ground crew to push it to hangar puts it on ... its normal practice espetially in smal helos look at Bell 206, 214... or LittleBirds....

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

What's up with those small whells??? on flight they disapear... are they mounted on ground or what?


The wheels look detachable, so the crew probably removes them before flight.

[Onyks]

I too wondered about the small wheels, what is the proceedure of putting them on? I must say I hope they are repainted with some sort of camouflage, I really do not like the plain scheme some helictopters have been painted. I agree with you Brzeczyszczykiewicz about the insignia, a subdued version would work best..

[perdurabo]

I too wondered about the small wheels, what is the proceedure of putting them on? I must say I hope they are repainted with some sort of camouflage, I really do not like the plain scheme some helictopters have been painted. I agree with you Brzeczyszczykiewicz about the insignia, a subdued version would work best..
they wont be put into combat they will be used in pilots training so why paint cammo on shool helo?
about wheels i said erlier, ground detachable gear for taxing on ground

[Onyks]

:cantbeli: You're right, about keeping the helicopter the color it is and the gear. I meant to post my reply sooner but by the time I did my questions were answered.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

they wont be put into combat they will be used in pilots training so why paint cammo on shool helo?

Well not only training I think... Mi-2s in liason squadrons need replacement as well. And we could also develop an armed recce helo (kiowa-style ;) ) on the basis of SW-4.

[perdurabo]

they wont be put into combat they will be used in pilots training so why paint cammo on shool helo?

Well not only training I think... Mi-2s in liason squadrons need replacement as well. And we could also develop an armed recce helo (kiowa-style ;) ) on the basis of SW-4.
yes but first batch goes to shool
and there is a plan to make small armoured helo from SW-4 something like little birds or Mi2URP cannons unguided rocketts, ATGMs, MANPADs etc..

[tony6]

I too wondered about the small wheels, what is the proceedure of putting them on? I must say I hope they are repainted with some sort of camouflage, I really do not like the plain scheme some helictopters have been painted. I agree with you Brzeczyszczykiewicz about the insignia, a subdued version would work best..
Dude-that kind of "plain scheme" is actually very effective and all our choppers will be painted that way (it's a new scheme).
All they need to do is put some low-vis checkerboards on (which will be done sooner or later).

[Mrufka]

First test flight in 1996
Max speed 260 km/h
Range up to 790 km or 5 h flight.

[Marmot1]

First test flight in 1996
Max speed 260 km/h
Range up to 790 km or 5 h flight.

And what is most important... MADE IN POLAND woot woot woot

[J-10]

SW-4 is a nice modern helo.