I don’t understand

[mountainbear]

I don’t understand Why all these topics against France. Aren’t USA, France and Israel part of the same occidental civilisation with the same belief in Human right and freedom. France is also in war against the terrorism and has supported Israel quite a few times. I think if Israel take France for an enemy or France take Israel for an enemy, it would be exactly what the Islamic terrorist wants, breaking the links between the free world nations.

I wanted to post this in “A question to the French” but it has been locked then I was going to post it in “Fr. troops shoot …. (take 2)” and it happened the sane so not to be frustrated when I go to bed I decided to create a topic

[Javehn]

You know why ? Very easy .
Because when Israel or America does A , they are getting the same responce from Shiraque . And then they are getting the same flame retorics by French posters in the forum .

And then when France does the same A , they are getting pissed , and doesn't understand why they are getting flamed .

This is just rotten politics . And someone should answer for it , once and for all . Speening door situation like this puts France under microscope , unlike the opposite situation where France took the high horse position . To make them answer and understand that rotten politic .

[Argyll]

Then keep it in the POLITICAL RANTS AND RAVES SECTION!!!!!!!

[Javehn]

Ok , fine by me ...

Sorry .

[MEGR]

rofl

[California Joe]

So much anger, I blame rap music.....

[fantassin]

If only you'd visited this site at the beginning of 2003....this is just a quiet normal day !

Go back to around page 300 of the General Discussion...tell you what, you needed nerves to be French on these forums then.

You just need to understand that some are burning to say "we told you so". They long for a massive attack on EU soil in general and French soil in particular(forgetting that EU has suffered from terrorism, including Palestinian terrorism, as early as the beginning of the 70s).

So every time they see a glimpse of light in the darkness of their prejudice, i.e the situation in Côte d'Ivoire, they come to expand their hatred under the pretence of "trying to understand".

Problem is, on the Côte d'Ivoire thingy, both the US and UN support France. Alas....

[moughoun]

So much anger, I blame rap music.....
actually you blame me :D

[MEGR]

So much anger, I blame rap music.....

I blame DOOM.

[Gatling]

I can only speak for myself , I am a proud french citizen confident in the mission of our country in IC , and frankly do not see any remote comparison to anything in Israel or Iraq for that matter.The last person I would have to justify our actions in IC , is certainly an angry Israeli.Bottom line is we're not Israel, and IC is not the West Bank or Gaza.

[mack pl]

So much anger, I blame rap music.....
actually you blame me :D

Blame Canada !!!

"South Park"

;)

[Macs.]

I blame Mercedes-Benz.

[California Joe]

Yes moughoun, since James has abdicated his responsibilities I now blame you. ;)

I am amazed that anyone who frequents a military board would be shocked at and feel the need to point out that civilian casualties, collateral damage does occur when men in uniform from any country pull the triggers on their firearms. They do so without regard for their respective country's policies. They do so because they feel threatened and wish to protect their mates and themselves from harm. Soldiers are soldiers. Their country of origin really means little.

[ExtraT]

I can only speak for myself , I am a proud french citizen confident in the mission of our country in IC , and frankly do not see any remote comparison to anything in Israel or Iraq for that matter.The last person I would have to justify our actions in IC , is certainly an angry Israeli.Bottom line is we're not Israel, and IC is not the West Bank or Gaza.

Oh, so there you are!

So, tell me, what is your mission in IC, anyways?
And don't give me this "peacekeeping" bullcrap.

[Phil642]

I am amazed that anyone who frequents a military board would be shocked at and feel the need to point out that civilian casualties, collateral damage does occur when men in uniform from any country pull the triggers on their firearms. They do so without regard for their respective country's policies. They do so because they feel threatened and wish to protect their mates and themselves from harm. Soldiers are soldiers. Their country of origin really means little.

Damn right!

[moughoun]

I can only speak for myself , I am a proud french citizen confident in the mission of our country in IC , and frankly do not see any remote comparison to anything in Israel or Iraq for that matter.The last person I would have to justify our actions in IC , is certainly an angry Israeli.Bottom line is we're not Israel, and IC is not the West Bank or Gaza.

Oh, so there you are!

So, tell me, what is your mission in IC, anyways?
And don't give me this "peacekeeping" bullcrap.
you see, you've allready madeup your mind, why should they bother pissing on your I hate France parade

[Kilgor]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! "

[moughoun]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! "
it feel's great

[AirZone]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! " Bullseye!

Anyway, I dont care what the europe peeps think because lucky them their friends hasnt been blowen up in a bus (kids from my school) or they never faced everyday terrorist attacks (like it were before IDF started to rock 'n' roll and now they are stopping 97% of the attacks)

So guys...dont waste your time...one day they will face what we faced (I hope not becuase I dont want innocent people to die even if they are french lol) and disscuss about things that really matter :roll:

anyway i think no one answered to javenh.. who are those armed rebels?

[Phil642]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! "

Maybe it happens more often with some armies and less with others ... due to specific situations ...

But this is only speculation i've no scientific stats about these ****.

[fantassin]

^^^^^

Quote Fantassin :

You just need to understand that some are burning to say "we told you so". They long for a massive attack on EU soil in general and French soil in particular(forgetting that EU has suffered from terrorism, including Palestinian terrorism, as early as the beginning of the 70s


:roll:

[Phil642]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! " Bullseye!

Anyway, I dont care what the europe peeps think because lucky them their friends hasnt been blowen up in a bus (kids from my school) or they never faced everyday terrorist attacks (like it were before IDF started to rock 'n' roll and now they are stopping 97% of the attacks)

So guys...dont waste your time...one day they will face what we faced (I hope not becuase I dont want innocent people to die even if they are french lol) and disscuss about things that really matter :roll:

Come on, we (in EU) had a lot of terrorists attacks since the 70ies, in airplanes, subways, on ships, and so on ...

The first anti terrorists squads were invented in Europe because of that.

Do not try to change the history.

[AirZone]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! " Bullseye!

Anyway, I dont care what the europe peeps think because lucky them their friends hasnt been blowen up in a bus (kids from my school) or they never faced everyday terrorist attacks (like it were before IDF started to rock 'n' roll and now they are stopping 97% of the attacks)

So guys...dont waste your time...one day they will face what we faced (I hope not becuase I dont want innocent people to die even if they are french lol) and disscuss about things that really matter :roll:

Come on, we (in EU) had a lot of terrorists attacks since the 70ies, in airplanes, subways, on ships, and so on ...

The first anti terrorists squads were invented in Europe because of that.

Do not try to change the history.


anyway i think no one answered to javenh.. who are those armed rebels? so? its not about our ***** is bigger than yours (ours is bigger ;)) or some thing like that lol im saying that you never but never had to face it DAILY for the past 4 years like we do...its some thing else than what we had used to deal with before the second intifada or europe used to or everyone else used to...

[Kilgor]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! "

Maybe it happens more often with some armies and less with others ... due to specific situations ...

But this is only speculation i've no scientific stats about these ****.

I dont think there is any concrete evidence to say Americans are more heavy handed with firepower than any other army. The problem is they are deployed if far MORE massive numbers than a euro army and these incidents are of course going to happen more. Which in turn the media and stereotypes pick up on as being "the gun ho american cowboy"

As for the Israeli's, they fight for the surivial of their homeland. I dont think many nations (especially europe) have the right to comment on how a conflict like this should be fought. Its very easy to say that Israelis are heavy handed, especially from a country that hasnt tasted warfare on home soil in the last 60 years. And especially countries that were crushed by the german army, and who could only stand there helpless.

[moughoun]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! "

Maybe it happens more often with some armies and less with others ... due to specific situations ...

But this is only speculation i've no scientific stats about these ****.

I dont think there is any concrete evidence to say Americans are more heavy handed with firepower than any other army. The problem is they are deployed if far MORE massive numbers than a euro army and these incidents are of course going to happen more. Which in turn the media and stereotypes pick up on as being "the gun ho american cowboy"

As for the Israeli's, they fight for the surivial of their homeland. I dont think many nations (especially europe) have the right to comment on how a conflict like this should be fought. Its very easy to say that Israelis are heavy handed, especially from a country that hasnt tasted warfare on home soil in the last 60 years. And especially countries that were crushed by the german army, and who could only stand there helpless.
speaking of ancient time's and tactic's, why are the marines using artillary on a city? :roll:

[AirZone]

I think its because the US and Israel are fed up to the back teeth with being called killers and slaughters of innocent people. And when a european army finally gets the same unjustified bull**** leveled at them, its a case of "hah ! see what it feels like !!! "

Maybe it happens more often with some armies and less with others ... due to specific situations ...

But this is only speculation i've no scientific stats about these ****.

I dont think there is any concrete evidence to say Americans are more heavy handed with firepower than any other army. The problem is they are deployed if far MORE massive numbers than a euro army and these incidents are of course going to happen more. Which in turn the media and stereotypes pick up on as being "the gun ho american cowboy"

As for the Israeli's, they fight for the surivial of their homeland. I dont think many nations (especially europe) have the right to comment on how a conflict like this should be fought. Its very easy to say that Israelis are heavy handed, especially from a country that hasnt tasted warfare on home soil in the last 60 years. And especially countries that were crushed by the german army, and who could only stand there helpless.
speaking of ancient time's and tactic's, why are the marines using artillary on a city? :roll: One word - Marines, dont f00k with them...

p.s
it's still a city? lol

[California Joe]

Cause there aren't enough snipers. Duh.

[Kilgor]

speaking of ancient time's and tactic's, why are the marines using artillary on a city? :roll:

Im no expert on war, but maybe the soldiers here could help out. But from what ive read, Artillery is one of the most important things to have on your side.

[moughoun]

Cause there aren't enough snipers. Duh.
I'm free for 2 more week's if your desperate.....bad shoulder and all :(

[Argyll]

Cause there aren't enough snipers. Duh.
I'm free for 2 more week's if your desperate.....bad shoulder and all :(

A good sniper should be able to shoot from both shoulders.........wussy!! ;)

[moughoun]

speaking of ancient time's and tactic's, why are the marines using artillary on a city? :roll:

Im no expert on war, but maybe the soldiers here could help out. But from what ive read, Artillery is one of the most important things to have on your side.
yes, but their using 155mm field howitzer's in an urban setting, they had better be uber accurate with the call down's or it's a big boo boo

[moughoun]

Cause there aren't enough snipers. Duh.
I'm free for 2 more week's if your desperate.....bad shoulder and all :(

A good sniper should be able to shoot from both shoulders.........wussy!! ;)
If you want to see a grown man cry like a school girl.......you're going the right way to it :oops:

[Kilgor]

Lets put or troops at more of a disadvantage and not use artillery.

Hell, why not use rubber bullets in case some civilians might get shot. :hug:

[Argyll]

Why don't we just use water pistols?

[moughoun]

Lets put or troops at more of a disadvantage and not use artillery.

Hell, why not use rubber bullets in case some civilians might get shot. :hug:
jelly bean launcher's would be better, oh and cream pie machine gun's....yum

[Kilgor]

Why don't we just use water pistols?

seriously though, whats your opinion of artillery in urban combat ?

[Argyll]

Why don't we just use water pistols?

seriously though, whats your opinion of artillery in urban combat ?

Dunno I never had to carry one!!

[Macs.]

Another "best-joke-eva"-Award... :roll: rofl rofl

[moughoun]

, smash bash kill crunh....good

Why don't we just use water pistols?

seriously though, whats your opinion of artillery in urban combat ?
well gunner's are generally considered dumb smash bash crunch kill smush.........good p-)

[Argyll]

Seriously,Artillery has been used in Urban combat since ww1 if I'm not mistaken.

1.A good team and a good FOO will be able to drop rounds with pin point accuracy.......we used to call them Long range snipers!!
2.Psychologically the sound of shells coming in from miles away is pretty feckin scary.........
3.Are they any different from other IDF(Indirect Fire)systems such as Mortars and FROG rockets?
I can tell you that being in the greenzone back at the begining of August was pretty hairy hearing the thump of mortars incoming,and the whistling of rockets going overhead.....so I'd say no 2. is very noteworthy!!

[Zander]

I don’t understand Why all these topics against France. Aren’t USA, France and Israel part of the same occidental civilisation with the same belief in Human right and freedom. France is also in war against the terrorism and has supported Israel quite a few times. I think if Israel take France for an enemy or France take Israel for an enemy, it would be exactly what the Islamic terrorist wants, breaking the links between the free world nations.

I wanted to post this in “A question to the French” but it has been locked then I was going to post it in “Fr. troops shoot …. (take 2)” and it happened the sane so not to be frustrated when I go to bed I decided to create a topic

israel part of occidental civilisation?

beleif of israel in human right and freedom?

is this post a joke?


french government is a supporter of israel for 100%
france has economic interests in the arab world that's all, they dont give a **** about arab!

[mountainbear]

So Zander sorry to post my answer this late.
Yes Israel is an occidental and democratic country, what is not the case of most other middle-east countries, yes they do believe in human rights and freedom, finally no this post wasn’t a joke.


french government is a supporter of israel for 100%
france has economic interests in the arab world that's all, they dont give a **** about arab!

I am happy to hear that from an Algerian/ French. It makes me more confident in future.