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Dennis G
09-28-2003, 12:41 AM
What is the russian president Putin like. I mean things like his policies and where would you place him is he conservative-liberal what party does he belong to(what partys are in russian) things like that? I am asking becouse
I dont know that musch about him.
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Bush, Putin Urge Countries Against Nukes
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By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

CAMP DAVID, Md. - President Bush (news - web sites) and Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) on Saturday urged Iran and North Korea (news - web sites) to abandon suspected nuclear-weapons programs, although Putin refused to stop plans to build a power plant in Iran and declined to pledge any postwar help for Iraq (news - web sites).


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Putin said any Russian contribution to Iraq's reconstruction would depend on a U.N. resolution sought by the United States to encourage other countries to offer money and peacekeeping troops. Along with France and Germany, Russia is demanding a greater role for the United Nations (news - web sites) in Iraq and a speedier timetable for ending the U.S. occupation.


Despite their differences, Bush and Putin stressed their personal friendship and the great strides in U.S.-Russian relations since the Cold War.


"I like him. He's a good fellow to spend quality time with," Bush said, standing in the warm sun of Camp David after two days of talks.


The invitation to the presidential retreat in Maryland's Catoctin Mountains was intended to underscore their close ties, after meetings earlier during Bush's administration at the White House and the president's ranch in Texas.


Their show of harmony notwithstanding, Putin gave no indication he was willing to pull back from an $800 million deal to build a power plant in southern Iran. Bush has pressed Putin for two years to abandon the project, and the International Atomic Energy Agency said last week it had found new evidence that Iran is enriching uranium.


Putin said Russia would "give a clear but respectful signal to Iran about the necessity to continue and expand its cooperation" with international inspectors.


He said Russia "has no desire and no plans to contribute in any way to the development of weapons of mass destruction, either in Iran or any other country in the world."


Emphasizing agreement, Bush said, "We share a goal and that is to make sure Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon, or a nuclear weapons program."


Putin made no concessions on Iran in private, either, a senior administration official said on condition of anonymity. But the official said the Russians' willingness to nudge Iran toward IAEA cooperation is part of a pattern of small steps toward progress.


Bush said the United States and Russia jointly urged North Korea to "completely, verifiably and irreversibly end its nuclear programs." But, again, there was disagreement.


Putin said that in exchange for North Korea's dismantling of its nuclear program, the United States should give the communist country a guarantee of its security. Bush has been unwilling to make that concession.


Bush and Putin did not mask their differences on Iraq, and the Russian leader hedged any offer of postwar help on the outcome of the U.N. resolution being negotiated.


"We had differences over Iraq in terms of the practical way of how to resolve this problem," Putin said. "But we had understanding on the essence of the problem."


As for reconstruction help, Putin said, "The degree and the extent and the level of Russian participation ... will be determined after we see the resolution."


While Putin insisted that the transition to Iraqi self-rule happen "as soon as possible," he pleased Bush by acknowledging the American position — that Iraqis need time to build the necessary institutions. The process "should go ahead stage by stage," Putin said.


Bush declared himself happy with cooperation from other countries, even though he came away empty-handed from two days of diplomatic talks last week in New York.





The United States hopes to assemble an international division of 10,000 to 15,000 peacekeeping troops from India, Pakistan, Turkey, South Korea (news - web sites) and other countries.

Bush said that he and Putin had "some very frank discussions about Iraq." The Russian president strongly opposed the war and has said that the turbulent aftermath proves he was right.

"Because we've got a trustworthy relationship, we're able to move beyond any disagreement over a single issue," Bush said.

In his weekly radio address Saturday, Bush urged all countries to help Iraq.

"All nations must join in confronting this threat where it arises, before the terrorists can inflict even greater harm and suffering," he said.

Bush gave Putin support on his crackdown in Chechnya (news - web sites), a sensitive issue for the Russia because of international criticism about alleged human rights violations.

Russia and the United States have been targets of terrorists, Bush said.

"No cause justifies terror," Bush added. "Terrorists must be opposed wherever they spread chaos and destruction, including Chechnya." But Bush went on to say, "A lasting solution to that conflict will require an end to terror, respect for human rights and a political settlement that leads to free and fair elections."

Bush also defended tough U.S. visa policies that Putin complained were impeding legitimate travel by journalists, business people, artists and educators.

"Our intention is not to slow down visits," Bush said. "Our intention is to make sure that visitors who come are reasonable people" and not terrorists. He said the system was still be worked out.

Efforts to increase cooperation on affordable housing, banking reform and foreign investment in Russia and on Russia's rising oil exports won praise.

StarvingStudent47
09-28-2003, 12:53 AM
I'm not sure where Putin stands on the "liberal-conservative" spectrum in the United States. The most important thing, though, is that he stands in the middle of the wider spectrum which has fascism at one end, communism at the other, and decent countries at the middle. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia has had far more problems with right-wing nationalists (like Vladimir Zhirinovsky) and Communist hardliners than most Western European or North American countries. It's taken a real strongman approach by Russian leaders (first Yeltsin, now Putin) to keep Russia a democracy.

Putin is far better than Yeltsin in my opinion, not because of policy differences, but because of personal character. Yeltsin was an alcoholic, and near the end of his presidency, he seemed an over-medicated zombie with a huge laundry list of health problems. Putin, on the other hand, is intelligent, clear minded, and one of the craftiest politicians on the planet. If politics is one big chess game, Vladimir Putin is Boris Kasparov.

I'm actually not a great fan of post-Soviet Russia's international policies (including their opposition to the removal of both Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein), but I can't help but admire what an intelligent diplomat Vladimir Putin is. He never misspeaks; he never puts his foot in his mouth; he never gets rattled.

GazB
09-28-2003, 06:38 AM
"but I can't help but admire what an intelligent diplomat Vladimir Putin is. He never misspeaks; he never puts his foot in his mouth; he never gets rattled."

He is probably one of the smartest presidents they have had in a while. I saw a program on him recently where he was supporting a leader in an organisation. All the members in the heirarcy of that org had pledged to leave their positions if their leader lost his post... when he did lose his post only Putin resigned. Yeltsen noticed. I think he has integrity, which is rare in a politician... but don't underestimate him... he was the head of the KGB for a while... I doubt he is a goody two shoes.

"I'm actually not a great fan of post-Soviet Russia's international policies (including their opposition to the removal of both Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein), "

The Serbs share the same orthodox christian beliefs of Russians... there is a kinship there that is thicker than water. Regarding support for saddam that was commercial... Iraq owed Russia over 7 billion dollars for arms delivered in the 70s and 80s. Money it could use to clear its own debts with other countries.

Saranof
09-28-2003, 08:12 AM
Putin scares me a bit, he just seems a bit..you know, too intelligent :|
ex KGB guy ya know

Schiller
09-28-2003, 10:04 AM
Yeah. He's a little like Hu Jintao, never clearly showing his intentions, and always carefully choosing his words and making complex calculations. A guy doesn't get to be a director of the KGB(now FSB) for nothing.

Btw, his nickname's kinda funny. "Dobby".

budanski
09-28-2003, 10:08 AM
Bush has them all beat.

Have we all forgotten? It was the zionist war piggie Adolf Bush that set up 9/11 to take over the world's resources....

Saranof
09-28-2003, 10:49 AM
Yeah. He's a little like Hu Jintao, never clearly showing his intentions, and always carefully choosing his words and making complex calculations. A guy doesn't get to be a director of the KGB(now FSB) for nothing.

Btw, his nickname's kinda funny. "Dobby".

"Dobby"... :|

to free the oppressed
09-29-2003, 12:20 AM
[quote]It was the zionist war piggie Adolf Bush that set up 9/11 to take over the world's resources....[quote]
Hey, Mr.I CAN'T fu*k on first date :lol: guy I hope your not talking about Bush.

to free the oppressed
09-29-2003, 12:24 AM
It was the zionist war piggie Adolf Bush that set up 9/11 to take over the world's resources....
Hey, Mr.I CAN'T fu*k on first date I hope your not talking about Bush.

StarvingStudent47
09-29-2003, 02:22 AM
Hey, Mr.I CAN'T fu*k on first date I hope your not talking about Bush.

I think you missed the dripping sarcasm in Budanski's post ;) His views are precisely what you would expect from someone residing in the "Republic of Texas" (I don't mean that as an insult at all, just a statement of fact).

Nizark
09-29-2003, 02:38 AM
I really think we need to make Russia one of our closest allies. They have pull with damn near every 3rd world country..Iran, etc. As well as they have china in their pocket. China always votes with Russia and never seems to have an opposing opinion on a russian idea, unless Putin called for all former Spetznaz to attack Bejing and sold the Northern Fleet to taiwan for 10 yen. And that little thing with having a BIGGGGGG funking nuke arsenal on a 'good guys' side, is alot better than having generals losing or selling suticase nukes. We also both have muslim problems in which we can turn a blind eye to things we may do in the middle east and what they do in chechnya or anything they 'sanction' in the cacusus's. They basically have asia in their pocket, and we have most of the western world with us.
And ****, imagine some of them old fashioned, cold war-era KGB-GRU/CIA-NSA spooks getting together and whipping up some interesting anti-islamists recipes.
I would just love to see the day that US and Russian forces together on the same mission kickin some major ass, then with a Russian and American flag, crisscrossed over each other at a press conference announcing a 'don't **** with us' policy,' putting the whole world on notice.
Will it ever happen, some version of it im sure..just when is the question. And these days we are making alliances with whomever will give us a airbase.
It's better to deal with the devil you know, the the devil you don't.