Polish WWII ace died today.

[LeMat]

General Stanislaw Skalski - polish fighter pilot from WWII died today. He shoot down 22 enemy planes (or more).
He was awarded by Golden Virtutti Militari Cross - the highest polish military order. Also he received silver Virtutti Militari Cross. He was awarded by Distingiushed Flying Cross 3 times!
After the war communists sentenced him to death and he spend 6 years waiting for execution. He was relased from prison in 1956.
He died today.

Cześć Jego pamięci!

[b.scheller]

RIP

[five-five-sixer]

:( RIP

Cześć Jego pamięci!
...as above...

[Phil642]

RIP Honor of his memory!

[Mrufka]

:( RIP
Czesc jego pamieci !

[Tygryssek]

R. I. P.

Stanisław Skalski.
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[Musashi]

It was written by me on other forum:

Today died the top Polish WW II pilot, General Stanisław Skalski, aged 89.
http://ww2.tvp.pl/tvppl/images/2004/11/12/151817/img500.jpg
http://www.republika.pl/mojeksiazki/autorzy/skalski.jpg
He shot down the first German plane in WW II (Hs 126). It happened on September 1st 1939, at 5:32 AM.
He shot down six German planes and damaged three other during the Polish campaign in 1939.
Then he fought during the French campaign, the Battle of Britain, was a commander of Polish 306th, 316th, 317th Squadron, famous Skalski's Circus (in Tunesia), British 601st Squadron in Malta and Polish 133rd Air Wing. He shot down 24 German planes totally.

He returned to Poland after the war, where he was accused of espionage and treason and was sentenced to death. He was staying in the ward of death for eight years, but the judgemant was not executed.
He was rehabilitated in 1956 and decorated with the Golden Vitruti Militari Cross.


And something what you will not find out in Polish TV media.
Skalski was cheated by the people who played a role of his friends a few days ago. He lost all his money and house and found himself in an alms-house. It must have caused worsening of his health. This sad event is passed over by the Polish television.
Me and other people sent letters to Polish prime minister to do something with that a few days ago. I hope these criminals will be caught and they will be ****ed in ass in a jail not less than 10 times a day.

[Heinzi]

RIP

Salute to the veterans

[tyovan]

A true Polish hero..


RIP

[UoUo]

RIP :(

[djon]

Great Man....A Hero To All.... RIP

[garoco]

RIP :(

[Kilgor]

It seems alot of poles that fought so bravely against Hilter came back to poland only to be treated like criminals. Very sad after all the sacrifices.

[adlep]

If it is true about this fraud thing, I will be very upset...
:|

Did you know that this guy was actually a "sky knight". In '39 he landed his plane next to the nazi plane he just shoot down and personally rescued its crew?
After making sure they are all right, he returned to his machine and took off...
Talking about the respect for the enemy...

[adlep]

It is true....
Folks,
We, the Poles should be ashamed of our nation at the moment....
Hanba
:bash: <---Poland

[mack pl]

RIP

[Musashi]

If it is true about this fraud thing, I will be very upset...
:|

It is true. If you can read Polish (I hope you can) see an article here:
http://info.onet.pl/1008385,11,item.html

[Musashi]

It's my topic from other forum:

An interview with Stanisław Skalski.


Poland's Circus Master

When Stanislaw Skalski left Poland in 1939, he was its highest scoring fighter pilot. When he returned to his liberated country in 1947, he was its leading ace. In 1948, he was in prison as a suspected spy.

Interview by Jon Guttman

When the Germans launched their first blitzkrieg into Poland on September 1, 1939, they were met by a spirited but hopelessly disorganized defense that nevertheless took a sizable toll on the invaders before being overwhelmed. Afterward, thousands of Poles established an armed force in exile to fight on in France, Britain and the Soviet Union. Among them was Stanislaw Skalski, already the highest-scoring exponent of the PZL P-11c fighter, who would go on to even greater things in the Royal Air Force (RAF). In an interview with Aviation History senior editor Jon Guttman, Brig. Gen. Skalski described an aerial odyssey that took him to several fronts in the European theater--and a postwar career in the air force of a liberated Communist Poland that was anything but smooth.


Aviation History: Could you tell us something of your background prior to World War II?

Skalski: I was born in Kodyma, north of the Russian city of Odessa, on November 27, 1915. After the 1917 Russian Revolution broke out, my father sent my mother with me to Zbaraz, near Lwow, in 1918. He, too, eventually made his way to Poland and got an office position in Dubno in 1923. I lived there until 1933.

AH: What led you to seek a career in aviation?

Skalski: Since 1927, when I first saw an airplane in southern Poland, I thought I would like to learn to fly. After being a student for two years in political school, I started training on gliders in 1934, and in April 1935 I passed the course in powered aircraft. When I decided to become a military pilot, I had to try again, but I passed all the flying courses before I got into cadet school in January 1936.

AH: What was your training like?

Skalski: I and my class trained at Deblin from 1936 to October 15, 1938, when we graduated as officers. I began with the RWD-8 primary trainer. It was very easy to fly--a piece of cake. Then I switched to the PWS-14 and PWS-26, two-seat aerobatic biplanes that could be seen in aero clubs everywhere in Poland. Later on, we went through tests to determine our different personal characteristics--doctors would watch us to see who was more aggressive at sports such as boxing. Out of my class of 40, eight to 10 of us were selected for fighters, while the others became bomber or observation pilots.

AH: What was your first unit assignment?

Skalski: Before promotion, a graduating cadet could ask the authorities for an assignment. I asked my senior officer for the best fighter squadron. He said the best was the 4th Air Regiment of the III Fighter Division [the III/4 Dywyzjon, or Dyon, comprised of the 141st and 142nd eskadri, or squadrons] at Torun, which had distinguished itself for two years in competition among squadrons. So, although the 6th Regiment was closest to my family in eastern Poland, I asked for the 4th. Looking back on 50 years, I was lucky I chose it. I built up my future there. Within the regiment, I was assigned to the 142nd Eskadra, which was comprised of nine airplanes, with three in reserve.

AH: What were the PZL P-7 and P-11c fighters like to fly?

Skalski: I only flew the P-7 in advanced fighter training. Only one squadron at Krakow and one at Wilno still had P-7s at that time. When I joined the 142nd, we already had the P-11c. The PZL fighter was a very pleasant airplane. The P-11c had become obsolescent by 1939, but a more modern PZL fighter, the P.50 Jastrzab ("hawk") was being developed, which would have been built in 1941. After the North African campaign in 1943, I went to Cairo and met Brig. Gen. Ludomil Rajski, who later flew three missions from Italy over Warsaw in Consolidated Liberators during the Warsaw Uprising of August-September 1944. He told me that when the Germans occupied Poland, they found the Jastrzab's airframe and evaluated it. Their Focke Wulf Fw-190 was suspiciously similar to the P.50 in structure, with a bigger engine.

AH: What was the Polish air force's state of readiness when World War II broke out?

Skalski: When I got to the 142nd, the commanding officer (CO), Flight Captain Miroslaw Lesniewski, gave me the job of intelligence officer. I got all our intelligence regarding German units that were likely to fly against us, but I was forbidden to write anything. I gave the pilots all details from my head. On a few occasions, I shot at Dornier Do-215s that were flying clandestine photographic missions over northern Poland from March to May 1939. I flew as high as 7,000 meters trying to intercept them, but the closest I got to one of them was about 300 meters. They were as fast as our fighters--faster even. We knew the Germans had better aircraft, but we thought we could cope with it. We thought the French could help.

AH: What did you do on the first day of the war?

Skalski: In the afternoon of September 1, 1939, a Henschel Hs-126 [of Army Reconnaissance Group 21] crossed the border. That was reported to my division, and I took off with another pilot. Meanwhile, however, two pilots of the 141st Eskadra, 1st Lt. Marian Pisarek and Corporal Benedykt Mielczynski, had taken off on their second mission of the day to intercept a reported Do-17 formation at 3:21 p.m., when they spotted the Hs-126 and attacked it. After a few bursts, its engine stopped, and the plane came down in a field near Torun and flipped over on its back. I then found the plane and decided to see what maps or information it might have. I landed nearby and noticed plenty of blood in the Henschel's enclosed cockpit. The pilot, Friedrich Wimmer, was slightly wounded in the leg; his navigator, whose name was von Heymann, had nine bullets in his back and shoulder. I did what I could for them and stayed with them until 11 a.m., when an ambulance came.

AH: What became of the Germans?

Skalski: The prisoners were transferred to Warsaw. After the Soviet Union invaded Poland on September 17, they became prisoners of the Russians but were released at the end of October. When they were interrogated by the highest Luftwaffe authorities, Wimmer told them of my generosity. The Germans, who later learned that I had gone to Britain to fight on, said if I should became their prisoner I would be honored very highly. The observer, von Heymann, died in 1988. Three years later, the British air attaché and Luftwaffe archives helped me to contact Colonel Wimmer. I went to Bonn to meet him in March 1990, and the German ace Adolf Galland also came over at that time. In 1993, Polish television went with me to make a film with Wimmer. Reporters asked why I did it--why I landed and helped the people we had shot down, exposing my fighter and myself to enemy air attack. I was young, stupid and lucky. That is always my answer!

AH: When did you return to your airfield?

Skalski: I came back late in the afternoon, and I had to land on the road close to a forest--Torun aerodrome had been bombed already. I then gave Lt. Gen. W. Bortnowski, commander of the Pomeranian army, the maps from the Hs-126, which gave all the dispositions and attack plans of German divisions in Pomerania. He kissed me and said this was all the information his army needed.

AH: When did you score your first official victory?

Skalski: The next day, September 2, we went up to intercept Do-17s attacking Torun. Nine were circling--I made head-on attacks at the formation and got a Do-17 armed with cannons. Minutes later, I got a second Do-17.

AH: So you started your scoring with a double victory. But I seem to remember that Do-17s were not armed with cannons--Messerschmitt Me-110s were, and German records indicate that the I Gruppe of Zerstörergeschwader 1 lost an Me-110C-1 at that time. That being the case, you would also be the first pilot to shoot down one of those new twin-engine fighters.

Skalski: That is probably so, because we were completely unfamiliar with the Me-110--it had only made its combat debut the previous day. It was also on September 2 that Captain Florian Laskowski, CO of the III/4 Dyon, was killed by groundfire, after only 15 minutes in the air, following a stupid order from our regimental command to attack a panzer division with the P-11c's four 7.7mm machine guns. Captain Tadeusz Rolski took over the regiment.

AH: Do you have any comments on the two Hs-126s you downed on September 3?

Skalski: One, which Lieutenant Karol Pniak, 2nd Lt. Pavel Zenker, Corporal Zygmunt Klein and I attacked in the morning, crashed in a forest near the Vistula River. The other I got in a head-on attack during an afternoon flight. We shot at each other. When I turned again, the observer bailed out. The plane crashed near Koronowo. Our infantry was there as the observer ran toward the forest, and I flew in front of him--not to shoot him, but to try to get him to stop. Finally he stopped and put his hands up as I circled him.

AH: Did you have encounters with single-engine fighters?

Skalski: On September 4, I shot down a Junkers Ju-87B near Inowroclow and then survived a fantastic fight with three Messerschmitt Me-109s. They also attacked Flying Officer Stach Zielinski, who went down in a spin from 200 meters--he pulled up close to the ground. After September 7, we were transferred to defend Warsaw and the Lublin area. Captain Lesniewski, Lieutenant Pniak and I damaged a Do-17 on September 9, but I don't think we got him, and we had to get out because of enemy fighters.

AH: What did you do when Poland was overrun?

Skalski: From Lublin, the squadron moved to Brest-Litovsk. We got contradictory orders to go to different areas. While on patrol on September 13, I encountered a Do-215 but couldn't get him--he flew west. At that time, I was 38 kilometers from Dubno, so I took time to say goodbye to my family. Later on, we went to Brzezany, which had a fantastic airfield on top of a 500-meter-high hill. On September 16, we got orders to go to Romania to pick up Hawker Hurricanes and Morane-Saulnier MS.406s being shipped in from Britain and France. Some pilots went to Romania by air with the rest of the airplanes. My commander ordered all the ground crews to go in trucks on the evening of the 16th, driving all night to the frontier town of Smiatyn. I lost my way in the dark and ended up at Horodenka before somebody told me. I went around and got back at about 8 on the morning of September 17. As our convoy resumed its trek, I saw three tanks to our left, coming toward us. They stopped, and I saw they were Russians. Since I spoke Russian, my commander asked me to ask their CO, a captain, if they were with us or against us. I said "Good morning," and had the impression that I spoke better Russian than he did--he must have been Ukrainian. When I asked his intentions, he said, "We are going to fight the Germans." We shook hands, I gave him a box of cigarettes, and after paralleling our route a bit longer, the Russian tanks turned back for the forest. When we got to the frontier, soldiers and civilians were trying to get out. The frontier was closed, so we waited until 3 p.m. Some Me-109s flew over us but didn't shoot. Romanians took our weapons and later ordered us to go to refugee camps. Six of us went to Bucharest and stayed in a hotel. The next day we went to Costanza, on the Black Sea.

AH: A number of exiled Polish airmen fought in the French air arm. Why didn't you?

Skalski: Some 700 of us went by boat to Beirut, Lebanon. From there, we left for Marseilles. Our party was billeted at Salon, north of Marseilles. Then I found myself in a party that was to be sent to Britain and trained to fly bombers. The RAF was organizing four Polish bomber squadrons, and the British were taking only young chaps. I didn't want to go, but a friend told me, "Stanley, better go where they tell you." So I left Cherbourg on January 27, 1940. As the British became concerned with German attacks in May 1940, their thoughts changed. By June, a lot of pilots, including myself, had been trained in Hurricanes and had been transferred into RAF squadrons. Two all-Polish squadrons, 302 and 303, had just been organized.

AH: How much extra training did you need in order to become a qualified RAF fighter pilot?

Skalski: We started at Eastchurch on the Thames Estuary. We used to go to school like boys to learn English. From Eastchurch we went to Blackpool, then to different schools. I went to No. 6 OTU [operational training unit] at Sutton Bridge for just two weeks or so of Hurricane training. After training, we were posted to different RAF squadrons. I tried to get into an RAF squadron with my friend Karol Pniak, but he was sent to No. 32 Squadron while I was sent to No. 302, a Polish unit that was still being organized. They were going to make me an instructor, but I told the CO, "Thanks, but I want to be in the south with No. 11 Group, where there is fighting." For a week I waited in Blackpool, then I was sent to No. 501 (County of Gloucester) Squadron on August 27. All squadrons were short of pilots, and I was immediately flying sector reconnaissance.

AH: How did the Hurricane compare with the old PZL P-11c?

Skalski: It was a big difference. The Hurricane was one or two generations ahead of the P-11c. Besides speed, they were in different technical classes--the Hurricane's armament of eight .30-caliber guns was fantastic. In my first combat with Heinkel He-111s north of Herne Bay on August 30, I remember seeing my guns just cut off the right wing from the fuselage.

AH: On August 31 you downed your first Me-109 over Hornchurch. How would you compare the Hurricane Mk.I with the Me-109E?

Skalski: We'd been told what was different between the two types and what to do in a dogfight. The Hurricane was more maneuverable and better between 5,000 and 10,000 feet. The Me-109E was better at higher altitudes, up to 20,000 feet. Whenever I got into a dogfight I tried to get as low as I could. There, I had my advantage, which shows the difference between the two airplanes. The Me-109 was faster, but on August 31 I outmaneuvered one of them and shot it down.

AH: What was your impression of your CO, Squadron Leader Henry A.V. Hogan?

Skalski: Harry Hogan was a very good leader. I flew a lot as his No. 2. I used to switch off the radio, since I could not understand English and it just made me sick. I just flew close to Hogan's wings. He had to keep a close formation as he'd lead us against the 109s--we'd have to shoot our way through them and get to the bombers. It was really a piece of cake to shoot the bombers.

AH: What about tactics against German fighters?

Skalski: The British had no idea of tactics at first. Their squadrons used 12-plane formations, broken up into three-plane elements in line astern and in close formation--about 100 feet distance--stepped in height. You couldn't see anything. I began flying farther away, and Hogan remarked, "Are you scared of flying close?" I replied, "I want to see what's going on." I reminded him of the case of one British squadron in which the Germans shot down six planes and the leader didn't know what was happening. Hogan agreed: "Stanley is right--don't fly so close." Later, the British copied the Germans, with formations of four aircraft at different heights. The Germans' squadron leaders flew in line astern at the same level, with 200 meters distance on each side, depending on the sun. That way, they could watch and defend each other. Their double-paired "finger four" formation was more flexible.


AH: After downing two Me-109Es on September 2, you were shot down yourself on September 5. What do you recall of that combat?

Skalski: I don't remember my September 2 victories very well, except that they were in two different fights on the same mission. On September 5, I was flying in Hogan's Hurricane V6644, squadron code SD-B. I got one He-111 and two Me-109s and still had ammunition, so I went off to do some hunting by myself. I didn't know who shot me down until he made a slow roll in front of me--by then I was already on fire. He had come up from below and behind me. He hit my reserve tank, located behind the engine, but I would have been even less fortunate if he had hit my main tank. I preferred to use the main tanks first; if I used up the fuel in the reserve tank, there would be fumes left in it, and if a bullet hit it, it could have exploded and I would have been killed. As it was, I was on fire, including my tunic and other clothing. I used to fly without goggles--I put my hands over my eyes and opened the cockpit, but the pressure kept me in my seat. I used my right hand to try to get out while the plane dove from 28,000 feet at 600 mph. Once my head was out of the cockpit, the wind pulled me out. I probably collided with the right fuselage or tail. My hand is still injured--I can't play tennis--and my knee also hurts. I was probably unconscious after hitting the airplane, but a sixth sense told me not to open my parachute until the fire was out. Three years ago, I found out in a medical journal that when you are between life and death, something in your head tells you what you have to do. When I opened my eyes, I was floating 200 feet above the ground. I landed in a field, and a police car came from the bushes. The policemen asked me, "German?" "No," I said, "I'm from Poland." They took me down to a hospital with a Canadian unit. A few weeks later, I was visited by a squadron mate, Sergeant James H. "Ginger" Lacey, who would become a 28-victory ace. I asked him to fill out a report on my claims that day for the intelligence officer, which he promised to do, but for some reason the three victories I scored that day were not officially confirmed.

AH: After six weeks in the hospital, you returned to action. Did you have any trouble after what had happened to you?

Skalski: Hogan wasn't sure if I was fit when I rejoined No. 501 Squadron on November 8. I told him, "I can fly, I'm all right," so my flight leader gave me a plane and told me to do some aerobatics. After 10 minutes, I became terrified of being on fire--I was still suffering from the shock of being shot down. Soon after I landed, however, there was a scramble and my flight leader had me fly behind him as his No. 2. Soon after we took off, we ran into 27 Me-109s coming from north to south. I radioed, "Follow me," then attacked, and in quick succession I shot down two of the Messerschmitts, which were jointly credited to me and two other pilots. I had overcome my fear and everybody bought me a beer afterward. [The Me-109Es were apparently from II Gruppe, Jagdgeschwader 26, which was conducting an offensive sweep and claimed four Supermarine Spitfires that day; in fact, they shot down two Hurricanes and forced two others to land. The only recorded loss for II/JG.26 occurred when Feldwebel Ortwin Petersen's plane was hit, though he nursed it across the Channel before crash-landing on the beach in France.]

AH: At the end of February 1941, you transferred to the all-Polish No. 306 (City of Torun) Squadron. How did that differ from No. 501 Squadron?

Skalski: My old CO of the 142nd Eskadra, Rolski, arranged to get me into his RAF squadron. He got three Skalskis at various times--Marian was killed while test-flying a captured German Me-262 and Henryk was shot down and killed over France while serving in a British squadron. Number 306 Squadron was equipped with the Supermarine Spitfire Mark IIb, armed with two 20mm cannons and four machine guns. It was a more intelligent airplane than the Hurricane, more maneuverable at higher speeds. Which of the two was best depended on the job you had to do--for defense, the Hurricane was fantastic. For offensive operations, the Spitfire was better--it could fly higher and had better armament. During the Battle of Britain, we had plenty of Spitfires on patrol and they'd get some of the Germans over the French coast before they even got to the target.

AH: How did the Spitfire Mk.IIb compare with the new model Me-109F that was then appearing over the Channel?

Skalski: We had no trouble with 109Fs. The important thing was to see the enemy at the right time. The next Me-109 I got, southwest of Gravelines on July 24, 1941, didn't see me when I jumped him. I downed an Me-109F on August 19 and another two days later.

AH: On September 17 you flew one of the new Spitfire Mark Vbs. How did that compare with the Mark IIb?

Skalski: The fuselage was the same, but the engine was more powerful. We lost Sergeant Stanislaw Wieprzkowicz, who was killed, and pilot officer Czeslaw Dazuta, taken prisoner on September 16, but I got a couple of Me-109Fs [again from JG.26] southeast of Dunkirk the next day.

AH: After a rest period, you began your second RAF tour with No. 317 "City of Wilno" Squadron in March 1942, and you started to encounter the Focke Wulf Fw-190A. How did you think the Spitfire Mk.Vb performed against the Fw-190A?

Skalski: The first time we met, of course, it was a surprise--the Fw-190 was a very good airplane, better than the Spitfire V. We met more than 20 of them. There was a big dogfight with Me-109s and Fw-190s. I didn't do much. I got an Fw-190 on April 10, which was later rerated as a "probable," after which I damaged an Me-109F on April 25 and scored another probable over an Fw-190 on May 3.

AH: In November 1942, you were made chief flying instructor of 58 OTU at Ballado Bridge. Did you find that training new pilots was satisfying?

Skalski: Orders were orders, but I was unhappy. I asked the CO of the fighter school, "Sir, can you help me? I hate this job. I'd take a loss in rank to join a British squadron in the south." They needed chaps who wanted to fight. In the meantime, Air Chief Marshal William Sholto Douglas, who took over RAF Fighter Command in November 1941, was posted to the Middle East Air Force [MEAF]. When he got to Cairo, Egypt, at the end of 1942, he sent a message to the Air Ministry saying, "I have no Poles here." In March 1943, I was placed in command of 15 pilots--10 officers and five NCOs--who were sent to North Africa without ground crews. The Polish Fighting Team, or PFT, was attached to No. 145 Squadron, commanded by an American, Squadron Leader Lance C. Wade. That squadron provided us with food and administration, and Wade arranged mechanics for us. I became very friendly with "Wildcat" Wade. We also used to fly missions with American units at that time.

AH: The PFT, also called "Skalski's Circus," was equipped with the Spitfire Mk.IX. What was your impression of that model?

Skalski: That was a super modern plane, very maneuverable and fast--it surpassed the Fw-190A.

AH: What were some of your combats over the desert?

Skalski: On March 28, Flight Lt. Eugeniusz Horbaczewski and I flew from the sea, made a deep penetration of enemy territory in Tunisia and got two Junkers Ju-88s over Sfax. They didn't expect us--it wasn't fighting, it was just exercise. We also saw an enemy column, so we went down and shot up the vehicles and plenty of Germans. I downed an Me-109 over El Hamma on April 2, and another two days later. On May 6, there was a big German resupply flight. We flew top cover for a squadron of American Curtiss P-40 Warhawks--there was a massacre and the Bay of Tunis seemed to be on fire. Later in the war, I met one German POW who had been there and who was a good swimmer--he made it to shore, but a hell of a lot of his comrades were killed. He was later sent to Silesia, and then to a panzer division in France before being captured.

AH: After Axis forces in Tunisia surrendered on May 13, the PFT was dissolved, but you became the first Pole to command a British squadron. How did you come to get that singular honor?

Skalski: The commander of the Western Desert Air Force, Air Vice-Marshal Harry Broadhurst, called in the COs for a drink. He took me aside and said: "Stanley, I would like to talk to you about the future of the PFT. I have a lot of New Zealanders, Canadians and Englishmen who need to rest after one year of being in the desert. I need flight and squadron commanders, and I know you can do it." After a few days' leave in Cairo, I was posted to Malta, but by then the war had moved on and Malta was no longer in danger. A short time later Squadron Leader John S. Taylor was killed over Sicily, and I was posted to take over No. 601 Squadron. Another of my PFT pilots, Wladyslaw "Maciek" Drecki, went to No. 152 Squadron and Horbaczewski went to No. 43 Squadron, both as flight commanders. On September 13, during the Battle of Salerno, Drecki was taking off with 90-gallon tanks on his Spitfire when a tire burst. He turned over and was killed. He was buried at Catania.

AH: In December 1943, you were put in charge of No. 131 Polish Wing at Northolt and subsequently led No. 133 Wing. What were those commands like?

Skalski: I was only with No. 131 Wing until March 1944. Number 133 Wing was re-equipping with North American Mustang Mk.IIIs. We cooperated with the U.S. Eighth Air Force, escorting Boeing B-17s and Consolidated B-24s over Germany.

AH: What was your impression of the Mustang, which was powered by the same engine as the Spitfire?

Skalski: The Mustangs were fast, long-range fighters--up to 11 hours, by God!--and capable of performing different jobs, including dive-bombing. During the Normandy landings on June 6, 1944, we used to carry two 250-pound bombs under the wings. Once, four of us flew with 500-pound bombs, but I nearly killed myself getting off the runway. We also escorted paratroopers and gliders. D-Day was unbelievable. We flew 90 kilometers between our airfield and the Normandy beachhead. All the ships were coming to one point--you couldn't touch between the ships--it was fantastic.

AH: On June 24, 1944, you were credited with your last victories--two Me-109Gs over Tilliers. What are your memories of that fight?

Skalski: We'd bombed a target and later on we were turning when I glanced to my left and saw a bunch of Germans flying very low. They didn't see us as they headed for the beaches. We attacked them, and at first they apparently thought we were another bunch of Germans. After closing to 200 feet, I was about to press the trigger button when two of the Germans saw me, turned to escape and collided in a big mass of fire. I didn't fire a single shot. I didn't claim the victory in my combat report, but Fighter Command gave it to me. We lost one pilot that day--another bunch of Germans got him.

AH: What were your last wartime assignments?

Skalski: In September 1944, I was sent to attend a course at the Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. After I graduated on January 5, 1945, I got a message from the Pentagon to proceed to Third Air Force headquarters at Tampa, Fla. The program concerned the development of fighter tactics during the war, and I expected that this lecture would be for youngsters. Instead, I met about 50 officers and compared my experiences with theirs on different fronts. This conference lasted from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Brigadier General Edmund D. Lynch, the deputy commander of the Third Air Force, then invited me to dinner in the Tampa Hotel. During our conversation he said that his chief of staff was being posted to New Guinea and asked if I could take his post. I was surprised and said, "General, I am trying to go to Okinawa, in the Far East." Besides, as far as I knew, the U.S. Constitution decreed that even an officer in the merchant marine had to be American. Lynch said, "Say yes and you will be an American tomorrow. I need you." The Polish air attaché, however, told me that I had to come back to the United Kingdom. I was supposed to go with an RAF wing to the Far East. I got back aboard the ocean liner Queen Mary in February 1945--there were 12,000 men on the ship--and was made Wing Commander Operations for No. 11 Group at Uxbridge.

AH: What did you do after the war ended?

Skalski: I went to Germany in February 1946, as operations officer in the Army of Occupation and stayed until the Polish army was disbanded in December 13, 1946. In 1947, I decided to go back to Poland. We knew about what was going on in Poland then. I was asked to stay in the RAF. I could have made it a good career. But I decided to come home. For now, I'd prefer it if the reason was still my secret.

AH: Although you rejoined the Polish air force in June 1947, you were jailed from June 1948 to April 1956, and even spent a year living under a death sentence as an accused Anglo-American spy. Were you ever able to gain acceptance and trust from the Communist government?

Skalski: They had thought me a spy because of all my previous contacts with the Western Allies. When I was finally released on April 20, 1956, I went looking for a civilian job. A friend of mine came by with a newspaper, which showed me that I had rejoined the air force. I went to General Marian Spechalski, who would later be a marshal. Nobody was in charge of the army, and he was in civilian clothes--he had no uniform yet. I showed him the article and said, "General, I've already organized myself for civilian life. I don't want to join the air force." He told me, very nicely: "You know what is going on. We ask you to help us--we have to change everything now. Please help me--and help us. Later, if you want to go, ring me up any time." Maybe it was the way he asked, but I answered, "Okay, sir."

AH: Do you now feel vindicated as a result of rejoining the Polish air force?

Skalski: Well, I was the youngest major in the Polish armed forces in 1947--before I was arrested. They promoted me to lieutenant colonel in 1958 and to colonel in 1965.

AH: Have you had occasion to meet with any of your old British or American colleagues?

Skalski: I have been to reunions in Canada and the United States. I was in San Francisco in 1988 when the Polish attaché told me that I was being promoted to general and I had to come back to Poland by October 5. I remarked--joking, of course--that I thought they were just doing it to get me back, so they could put me in prison again.

AH: Have you any additional comments on any aspects of your aviation career?

Skalski: No. These days, I'm interested more in tomorrow than in 60 years ago--to see Poland rise up from her present horrible economic and social state.
Source: http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent?file=PRcircusf

[machupichu]

RIP
one of the world greatest war heros of all time is gone, what a sad day for every human beeing!
THE GREATEST OF ALL POLES HE WAS!!

R.I.P.

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[Musashi]

YOU WILL ALWAYS BE IN OUR HEARTS!!

did you know it was him who defeated evil adolf all by himself? he flew through adolfs window and shoot him down, RIGHT BETWEEN THE EYES!!

THE GREATEST OF ALL POLES HE WAS!!


Could you ban this f-u-c-k-e-r?
He is no contribution for this forum :bash:

[machupichu]

He is no contribution for this forum :bash:
but you are, right?
rofl rofl

[Musashi]

He is no contribution for this forum :bash:
but you are, right?
rofl rofl
I don't post stupid posts for fun like you do.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

blah blah

Yeah insulting the dead man is soooo civilised...

[machupichu]

Yeah insulting the dead man is soooo civilised...
did you know that on 02/11/1943 Carl Gustaf Friederich Gustlhammer died after fierce fighting and killing of 12 polish soldiers? now lets celebrate his bravery and lets call him a ww2 ace! and dont forget all that "rip" thing..


R.I.P. C.-G.-F. Gustlhammer - a true ww2 hero

[Musashi]

Yeah insulting the dead man is soooo civilised...
did you know that on 02/11/1943 Carl Gustaf Friederich Gustlhammer died after fierce fighting and killing of 12 polish soldiers? now lets celebrate his bravery and lets call him a ww2 ace! and dont forget all that "rip" thing..


R.I.P. C.-G.-F. Gustlhammer - a true ww2 hero
Could you provide more details?

[machupichu]

Could you provide more details?
nope, because i invented that story.

the point is, 99.9999999999999999% of this forums users have never heard of that polish "ww2 ace". that is just bull****. dont pick a (maybe even brave) soldier, finetune his bio and call him a ww2 hero. thats f****ng disrespectable for all the other deads.

[mack pl]

Could you provide more details?
nope, because i invented that story.

the point is, 99.9999999999999999% of this forums users have never heard of that polish "ww2 ace". that is just bull****. dont pick a (maybe even brave) soldier, finetune his bio and call him a ww2 hero. thats f****ng disrespectable for all the other deads.

:petting:

[Musashi]

Could you provide more details?
nope, because i invented that story.

the point is, 99.9999999999999999% of this forums users have never heard of that polish "ww2 ace". that is just bull****. dont pick a (maybe even brave) soldier, finetune his bio and call him a ww2 hero. thats f****ng disrespectable for all the other deads.
It's not disrespectable. For example Adolf Galland and Hans Rudel can be German heroes. I don't see any objections.

[five-five-sixer]

Could you provide more details?
nope, because i invented that story.

the point is, 99.9999999999999999% of this forums users have never heard of that polish "ww2 ace". that is just bull****. dont pick a (maybe even brave) soldier, finetune his bio and call him a ww2 hero. thats f****ng disrespectable for all the other deads.

What a pathetic man...

[machupichu]

comparing skalskinowski to the likes of rudell? how desperate!!

we all know the poles urgently look(ed) for own war heros, but because of the given timeline, theres no hope for that project. accept it and dont invent surreal "war heros". the name "local war hero" COULD be accepted, but entitling him a "war ace" is RIDICULOUS!!!!

[mack pl]

comparing skalskinowski to the likes of rudell? how desperate!!

we all know the poles urgently look(ed) for own war heros, but because of the given timeline, theres no hope for that project. accept it and dont invent surreal "war heros". the name "local war hero" COULD be accepted, but entitling him a "war ace" is RIDICULOUS!!!!

*yawn*

[machupichu]

*yawn*
youre the *yawn* man. :roll:

[five-five-sixer]

[BS]
:slap:

[mack pl]

*yawn*
youre the *yawn* man. :roll:

hmm, ok, we both are *yawn*

[Musashi]

comparing skalskinowski to the likes of rudell? how desperate!!

we all know the poles urgently look(ed) for own war heros, but because of the given timeline, theres no hope for that project. accept it and dont invent surreal "war heros". the name "local war hero" COULD be accepted, but entitling him a "war ace" is RIDICULOUS!!!!
Yes, you are really pathetic, sehr geehrter Idiot.
Remember Polish fighter pilots having Ming-era planes (max speed 375 km/h) shot down more German planes than they had in 1939.

Besides, Polish pilots were not obliged to fight during the whole war. They had a chance to be retired. And do you think Rudel's achievements would have been the same if he had been flying on the western front instead of eastern one?
Neun, zehn schlaffengeh'n.

[machupichu]

Remember Polish fighter pilots having Ming-era planes (max speed 375 km/h) shot down more German planes than they had in 1939.
Besides, Polish pilots were not obliged to fight during the whole war. They had a chance to be retired. And do you think Rudel's achievements would have been the same if he had been flying on the western front instead of eastern one?
the need for a polish hero must be really urgent.
rofl rofl

wow, where do all those poles come from? is there a nest somewhere? someone call the vermin exterminator quick!

[mack pl]

Remember Polish fighter pilots having Ming-era planes (max speed 375 km/h) shot down more German planes than they had in 1939.
Besides, Polish pilots were not obliged to fight during the whole war. They had a chance to be retired. And do you think Rudel's achievements would have been the same if he had been flying on the western front instead of eastern one?
the need for a polish hero must be really urgent.
rofl rofl


wow, were do all those poles come from? is there a nest somewhere? someone call the vermin exterminator quick!


wow, were do all those poles come from? is there a nest somewhere? someone call the vermin exterminator quick!

doh! yeah, the poles were the best looking, most feared, best armed and most dangerous fighters and heros the world has ever seen. the "ace"-rate in polish army is at a fantastic 80% and we all knee before polish dominance.
*shiver*

dude, stop editing your posts so quickly, mkay.

and again
*yawn*

you arent funny, even If you try so hard.

[machupichu]

dude, stop editing your posts so quickly, mkay
theres no proof me editing my last post hehe ;)

oh do you know that guy who always posts those troll pics? he has your level of ingenuity (the yawn thing).

[mack pl]

dude, stop editing your posts so quickly, mkay
theres no proof me editing my last post hehe ;)

oh do you know that guy who always posts those troll pics? he has your level of ingenuity (the yawn thing).

so what? :roll:

man, you are so boring. If you think that Poles and Poland havent got any true heroes, or some worth mentioned, than ignore this topic....is that difficult?

ohh, I almost forgot

*yawn*

[machupichu]

If you think that Poles and Poland havent got any true heroes, or some worth mentioned, than ignore this topic....is that difficult?
if the topic would have been something like: "polish local hero died" i wouldnt have bothered posting here at all. but you guys seem to think that guy had some meaning for non-polish people. someone must bring you nationalism-drunken poleskis back to reality.

[mack pl]

If you think that Poles and Poland havent got any true heroes, or some worth mentioned, than ignore this topic....is that difficult?
if the topic would have been something like: "polish local hero died" i wouldnt have bothered posting here at all. but you guys seem to think that guy had some meaning for non-polish people. someone must bring you nationalism-drunken poleskis back to reality.

well, he wasn't "local" hero, because he fought in England, Tunesia, and even in China(he shoot down 2 japanese Zero)etc. etc.So, he was really "multinational" hero ;-)

BTW this thread has nothing to do with nationalism, or **** like that. Poles are memebrs of this forum, same as Germans, Jews, Aussies etc. etc., and all of us have law to post threads about ours soldiers, heroes, etc. etc.

ohh, maybe you should check once again all previous posts about this guy(Skalski), coz nobody of us(Poles) writed he was some super duper heroe of all nations who fought against nazis, he was called as "Polish hero"....but you didnt noticed that, didnt you?

so, I dont care if any of none Poles here are interested about this guy, there are enough Poles to write "RIP" etc., but I dont like when someone who isnt interested about him(You) trolling this thread by his BS...sorry, but your contribution to this thread is pure BS.

If you think Poles are bunch of nationalistic assholes, than its your problem, not mine. BTW you could call "nationalist" all other nations here(Israelis, Canadians,etc.etc.) coz everyone posting here some stuff about theirs war heroes.


Regards
nationalistic asshole from Poland
mack pl

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

if the topic would have been something like: "polish local hero died" i wouldnt have bothered posting here at all. but you guys seem to think that guy had some meaning for non-polish people. someone must bring you nationalism-drunken poleskis back to reality.

Man, you seem to be German nationalism-drunken, so I bring you back to reality: do you thing that anyone except Germans care about Rudel? or Wittamnn?
When you show me Rudel's monuments in Washington, London, Paris, Tokyo, Beijing or Moscow, I will admit that 'German heroes are better and more important than ours!'

[machupichu]

I bring you back to reality: do you thing that anyone except Germans care about Rudel? or Wittamnn?
When you show me Rudel's monuments in Washington, London, Paris, Tokyo, Beijing or Moscow, I will admit that 'German heroes are better and more important than ours!'
if there were german "aces", do you think they would be praised in non-axis countries for their excellency? thats totally different you stupid moron.

you will only find "kudos" for german excellency in technical literature. no public memorials. geee you are one of those idiots too. join the kindergarden gang of uouo and the polskis.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

I bring you back to reality: do you thing that anyone except Germans care about Rudel? or Wittamnn?
When you show me Rudel's monuments in Washington, London, Paris, Tokyo, Beijing or Moscow, I will admit that 'German heroes are better and more important than ours!'
if there were german "aces", do you think they would be praised in non-axis countries for their excellency? thats totally different you stupid moron.

you will only find "kudos" for german excellency in technical literature. no public memorials. geee you are one of those idiots too. join the kindergarden gang of uouo and the polskis.

So you admit that noone expect Germans praise your war heroes. And so when you're writing something about them please use the term "local German war heroes". Thank you.

[mack pl]

if there were german "aces", do you think they would be praised in non-axis countries for their excellency? thats totally different you stupid moron.

you will only find "kudos" for german excellency in technical literature. no public memorials. geee you are one of those idiots too. join the kindergarden gang of uouo and the polskis.

* Y A W N *

[Mrufka]

Kurwa mac !
Czy zawsze musi wyjsc jakas gnida z tego polskiego piekielka. :(
Nikt tu nie szuka na sile bohaterow.
Skalski byl bohaterem i kropka !

Czy Ty Panie Brzeczyszczykiewicz bylbys w stanie dokonac 1/4 tego co on ?
Watpie.
Widzialem takich mocnych w gebie jak Ty, srajacych pod siebie ze strachu pod kulami.

Wiec stul pysk i odrobine szacunku dla czlowieka, ktory dzielnie walczyl o ten kraj.

Z powazaniem
Mrufka

[Digital Marine]

RIP

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Kurwa mac !
Czy zawsze musi wyjsc jakas gnida z tego polskiego piekielka. :(
Nikt tu nie szuka na sile bohaterow.
Skalski byl bohaterem i kropka !

Czy Ty Panie Brzeczyszczykiewicz bylbys w stanie dokonac 1/4 tego co on ?
Watpie.
Widzialem takich mocnych w gebie jak Ty, srajacych pod siebie ze strachu pod kulami.

Wiec stul pysk i odrobine szacunku dla czlowieka, ktory dzielnie walczyl o ten kraj.

Z powazaniem
Mrufka

a teraz Panie Mrufka przeczytaj pan kurwa całą strone i sie zorientuj najpierw kogo kurwa wyzywać!

bez poważania
B.

[machupichu]

disri gschreibsri isri totalski hirnitotski.
wrumski durftski disri dummski polski dasri schreibski? manski solltski disri dummski polski schlachtski.
amen

[mack pl]

disri gschreibsri isri totalski hirnitotski.
wrumski durftski disri dummski polski dasri schreibski? manski solltski disri dummski polski schlachtski.
amen

I see many mistakes in typing, and you've used few not proper words.....but generally your blahblahblingski language is pretty good.

Congrats

[Mrufka]

Przepraszam ale w poprzednij mojej wypowiedzi byl wskazany nie ten user.
Z calym szacunkiem dla Mr. Brzeczyszczykiewicz przepraszam za pomylke.
Co oczywiscie nie zmienia mojego zdania.

Kurwa mac !
Czy zawsze musi wyjsc jakas gnida z tego polskiego piekielka.
Nikt tu nie szuka na sile bohaterow.
Skalski byl bohaterem i kropka !

Czy Ty Panie michuupichu bylbys w stanie dokonac 1/4 tego co on ?
Watpie.
Widzialem takich mocnych w gebie jak Ty, srajacych pod siebie ze strachu pod kulami.

Wiec stul pysk i odrobine szacunku dla czlowieka, ktory dzielnie walczyl o ten kraj.

Z powazaniem
Mrufka

[machupichu]

Trwajacy Mrufka od mack pl poniedzialku szturm na 300-tysieczna Faludze, bastion oporu sunnitow, przeksztalcil sie w zaciete walki uliczne. Amerykanscy marines wspierani przez zolnierzy nowej Mrufka gwardii irackiej tocza boje o kazdy dom.

Ja tez sobie zrobie wolne, Brzeczyszczykiewicz wtedy, mack pl kiedy bede mial zaplacic i napisze im, ze odpracuje to za tydzien, albo za miesiac i wtedy zaplace - mowil wczoraj, okolo godziny 9, mezczyzna stojacy przed zamknietymi drzwiami mack pl gmachu Urzedu Skarbowego przy ulicy Krowoderskich Zuchow 2. W ciagu kilku minut, gdy tam ...

[Herrmannek]

a moze jest...

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Przepraszam ale w poprzednij mojej wypowiedzi byl wskazany nie ten user.
Z calym szacunkiem dla Mr. Brzeczyszczykiewicz przepraszam za pomylke.
Co oczywiscie nie zmienia mojego zdania.

Kurwa mac !
Czy zawsze musi wyjsc jakas gnida z tego polskiego piekielka.
Nikt tu nie szuka na sile bohaterow.
Skalski byl bohaterem i kropka !

Czy Ty Panie michuupichu bylbys w stanie dokonac 1/4 tego co on ?
Watpie.
Widzialem takich mocnych w gebie jak Ty, srajacych pod siebie ze strachu pod kulami.

Wiec stul pysk i odrobine szacunku dla czlowieka, ktory dzielnie walczyl o ten kraj.

Z powazaniem
Mrufka

Nie ma sprawy. ja tez sie niemnaszkiem wk*rwiłem i mi nerwy pusciły ;)

ps. Zorry for Polnisch herr machupichu

[machupichu]

Nie ma sprawy. ja tez sie niemnaszkiem wk*rwiłem i mi nerwy pusciły ;)ps. Zorry for Polnisch herr machupichu
Złożona w naszym serwisie oferta kupna dotrze do szerokiego grona producentów i dostawców usług budowlanych. Poznasz ceny i terminy. Wybierzesz najkorzystniejszą ofertę.

[mack pl]

Nie ma sprawy. ja tez sie niemnaszkiem wk*rwiłem i mi nerwy pusciły ;)ps. Zorry for Polnisch herr machupichu
Złożona w naszym serwisie oferta kupna dotrze do szerokiego grona producentów i dostawców usług budowlanych. Poznasz ceny i terminy. Wybierzesz najkorzystniejszą ofertę.

ok, short message in english ;)

STFU noob

p-)

[machupichu]

ok, short message in english ;)
STFU noob
me? i wanna participate in your discussion and cause you decided to use polski i have to adept. maybe you and your poles should return to english so everyone understands.

[mack pl]

ok, short message in english ;)
STFU noob
me? i wanna participate in your discussion and cause you decided to use polski i have to adept. maybe you and your poles should return to english so everyone understands.

well, "STFU noob" was something what Mrufka have said, he should do that in english of course :lol:

anyway, for me this "discussion" is sensless, even in polish :lol:

Take care

[Mrufka]

:lol:
my writen english suks :(
& I wrote that in polish, sorry.
Regards

[Musashi]

Trwajacy Mrufka od mack pl poniedzialku szturm na 300-tysieczna Faludze, bastion oporu sunnitow, przeksztalcil sie w zaciete walki uliczne. Amerykanscy marines wspierani przez zolnierzy nowej Mrufka gwardii irackiej tocza boje o kazdy dom.

Ja tez sobie zrobie wolne, Brzeczyszczykiewicz wtedy, mack pl kiedy bede mial zaplacic i napisze im, ze odpracuje to za tydzien, albo za miesiac i wtedy zaplace - mowil wczoraj, okolo godziny 9, mezczyzna stojacy przed zamknietymi drzwiami mack pl gmachu Urzedu Skarbowego przy ulicy Krowoderskich Zuchow 2. W ciagu kilku minut, gdy tam ...
Maczupiczka,
your Polish sucks. We don't know what you mean.
Pierdolisz bzdury jak mało który rofl :bash:

[machupichu]

Maczupiczka,your Polish sucks. We don't know what you mean. rofl
i give a **** on what you think "my polish" is like.
use english or stfu.

[Musashi]

Maczupiczka,your Polish sucks. We don't know what you mean. rofl
i give a **** on what you think "my polish" is like.
use english or stfu.
So why do you post messages in Polish as you are far to stupid to do it?

[machupichu]

So why do you post messages in Polish..
pssssss.. its a secret

[radon]

machupichu why do you contaminate this thread with this bs. Stanislaw Skalski has nothing to do with your view on Poles you revealed in the another topic. Just be quiet here , you can Pole flame somewhere else

Now Rip.

How was his money stolen? :bash:

[machupichu]

machupichu why do you contaminate this thread with this bs. Stanislaw Skalski has nothing to do with your view on Poles you revealed in the another topic. Just be quiet here , you can Pole flame somewhere else
i already explained why i posted here. its the topics fault. now if you want me to post even more, dont bother and continue machupichu flame.

[adlep]

Just a friendly reminder:
Do not feed the troll people....

[Marmot1]

does anyone know where this idiot comes from??? I am almost sure that from nonimportant ex-so-caled-superpower on the east...

[Musashi]

does anyone know where this idiot comes from??? I am almost sure that from nonimportant ex-so-caled-superpower on the east...
From Germany.

[five-five-sixer]

Maczupiczka, just 'cos you don't know where Poland is doesn't mean you've got to show your disrespect for the fallen. Buy a map instead.

[tony6]

Jesus Chrit, another thread that has become model pissing contest...
...and just to make it more civilised- thread about dead WWII pilot...
Where is this forum heading to..?

Very sad.

[machupichu]

From Germany.
hey, please dont give him my email adress, hat size and telephone number also.
rofl rofl

[LeMat]

@machupichu

What do you want man? Skalski was one of the greatest polish heroes from WWII. Children are learning about him in school. When he died all polish TV and radio stations, newspapers and internet portals written about his death. He was someone very special. So that is the reason why I made this post. I`m proud that in my country were people like general Skalski and I don`t want to hide it.
He was not only polish hero. Also english hero - was awarded by DFC 3 times, one time with DSO and 1 time with american DFC.
So he was not only a polish hero but also english and american.

He is known not only in Poland
http://www.waffenhq.de/biographien/biographien/skalski.html
http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces2/pol/pol/skalski.html
http://members.chello.be/kurt.weygantt/worldwariiaces.index.html_stanislawskalski.htm
http://www.thehistorynet.com/wwii/blgreatestaces/index2.html
http://user.tninet.se/~jzk592d/air.html
http://my.tele2.ee/airacesww2/airaces/aces/polaces/polacesr.htm

I don`t know what you wanted to show but destroying thread like that is a proof that you are person with absolutely no culture. In Poland we call people like you as "smiec".

[adlep]

From Germany.
hey, please dont give him my email adress, hat size and telephone number also.
rofl rofl
U idiot, you should appreciate the guy as a German, he risked his own life to save two German pilots at the start of the WWII...
So, that would make him the only pilot in the WWII who deserved a Polish, French, English, American, and a German medal....

[Musashi]

@machupichu


Call him "Maczupiczka" :lol:

[mack pl]

@machupichu


Call him "Maczupiczka" :lol:

dont feed a troll guys...ok ;)

[machupichu]

I don`t know what you wanted to show but destroying thread like that is a proof that you are person with absolutely no culture. In Poland we call people like you as "smiec".
tell me, why does literally noone outside of poland know mr sarkaski? i thought he was a world-wide (at least paneuropean) super hero. how come???
cant it be that you overrated your little sarkaskowitsh a bit? maybe just a tiny bit? as i said i have no problem calling him a local figure, a friend-of-poles and humanist, but NOT in global scale as you tried to make the impression.

[mack pl]

I don`t know what you wanted to show but destroying thread like that is a proof that you are person with absolutely no culture. In Poland we call people like you as "smiec".
tell me, why does literally noone outside of Poland know mr Skalski ? i thought he was a world-wide (at least paneuropean) super hero. how come???

for Christ sake, man :cantbeli: Are you blind or what? Didnt you noticed links posted by Le Mat??? They werent polish I guess. So, mr Skalski wasn't so unknown pilot in the world :roll: Anyways, even If noone on fukin world dont know him, who cares? :cantbeli: He was
Polish hero, and we(Polish members of this forum) wanted to share story about him.....is that something strange????? Some time ago we had a thread about some unknown dead NZ soldier, whos body was founded in France, or something like that...and I didnt saw any comments like yours:"
who the fuk are interested about this guy, why do you post story about him, he was only one of milions killed soldiers yada yada blah blah" :cantbeli:

man, you are German(??) and you dare to talking BS about some polish hero......wtf???....you have low self estime or what???

dude, maybe that pissed you off, and you cannot understand that, because you are too dumb for it, but he wasn't local hero like you want, but he was hero of few countries,its fact, and I dont care does anyone here have heard about him or not.....I dont care.....man, you have some serious problem with Poles, dont you? ;) :lol:

damn, I shouldn't even waste my keybord :cantbeli:


Take care man


PS. you are number 2 on my list: "YAWN people" ;)

[mack pl]

cant it be that you overrated your little SKALSKI a bit? maybe just a tiny bit? as i said i have no problem calling him a local figure, a friend-of-poles and humanist, but NOT in global scale as you tried to make the impression.

dude, he fought in England, Tunisia, China, so he wasn't local hero. But If you think he is not worth mentioning than why the fu*k you still posting in this thread? :cantbeli:

ignore this thread, mkay ;)

[mack pl]

@machupichu


Call him "Maczupiczka" :lol:

dont feed a troll guys...ok ;)

damn :cantbeli:

OMG why I did feed him :D

[machupichu]

dude, he fought in England, Tunisia, China, so he wasn't local hero. But If you think he is not worth mentioning than why the fu*k you still posting in this thread? ignore this thread, mkay ;)
"local" hero means only the local poeple see him as hero (or even know him), it doesnt mean his action were restricted to local areas.
if we can agree on that, ill immediately stop posting here. remember, its all for truths sake. the timeline and polands role in the wars refused poland to create any "globally" known hero, its that simple; no othere reason there is. but you people now trying to enforce this guy as paneuropean "war ace" is just ridiculous.

[mack pl]

dude, he fought in England, Tunisia, China, so he wasn't local hero. But If you think he is not worth mentioning than why the fu*k you still posting in this thread? ignore this thread, mkay ;)
"local" hero means only the local poeple see him as hero (or even know him), it doesnt mean his action were restricted to local areas.
not only the local people(Poles) but other nations too. He was honoured by GB and USA, they'd give him medals....but maybe you expect that some 13 yrs old kids in Manchester or some ****hole in Dakota should know him...if they dont, that means he wasnt true "multinational" hero ;-)

if we can agree on that, ill immediately stop posting here.
PLZ stop, ok

remember, its all for truths sake.
truth??I would say-semantics;-)

the timeline and polands role in the wars refused poland to create any "globally" known hero, its that simple; no othere reason there is. but you people now trying to enforce this guy as paneuropean "war ace" is just ridiculous.
dude, no need to "create" him, he was hero, one of many heros in anti nazi coalition....man, for me all American or British pilots who fought against nazis were heroes...soemthing strange with that?

sorry, but this "discussion" is pointless....

Take care

[machupichu]

...for me all American or British pilots who fought against nazis were heroes...soemthing strange with that?
i nearly expected that kind of definition from the likes of you. ok, its the bad bad semantics. rofl

[mack pl]

...for me all American or British pilots who fought against nazis were heroes...soemthing strange with that?
i nearly expected that kind of definition from the likes of you. ok, its the bad bad semantics. rofl

hehe, who cares :lol:

end of story for me

[five-five-sixer]

C'mon guys... Stop feeding him...

[Khabbi]

RIP :petting:

[Marmot1]

tell me, why does literally noone outside of poland know mr sarkaski? i thought he was a world-wide (at least paneuropean) super hero. how come???
cant it be that you overrated your little sarkaskowitsh a bit? maybe just a tiny bit? as i said i have no problem calling him a local figure, a friend-of-poles and humanist, but NOT in global scale as you tried to make the impression.



"Skalski's Circus"
by Ronald Wong
20" x 28" Edition size: 300 $175

http://www.brooksart.com/Skalski.jpg


Mk IX Spitfires of the Polish Fighting Team, 145 sqdn. Desert Air Force, led by Stanislaw Skalski, Poland's top Ace of WWII.
Signed by Gen. Stanislaw Skalski.

you see even outside poland he is known enought that some US painter decided to spend his time and do research to prepare this painting.......


type "Skalski circus" on google and you will find 213 results only in english... not so bad for guy who is Polish local hero... ;)


http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/decals/sp4805a.jpg

http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/decals/sp4805b.jpg

Here is even special decals kit created by CANADIANS covering Skalski's markings on his consecutive planes. So some canadinan company bothered to prepare it for unknown local polish here who never served in canadian air force nor defended canada... gues why they did it???

[machupichu]

i tell you, if someone is eager to present a "hero", he will succeed. i bet there are super-duper war heros all over the place in uhm.. lets say uzbecistan. or ask the afghans if they have some war heros around. THAT IS JUST F**** STUPID!

poor pollacks, they need a hero soooo badly ......

:bash: :roll: :roll:


if that canadian company or those painters were exclusively interested in that polski, it would be ok, but they create a whole series of allies vs axis toys/paintings what so ever, and cant have pollacks missing, so they take the poles most beloved child you goddamn idiot. :cantbeli:


p.s. mack damn you got me this time (editing my post) ;)

[mack pl]

you are stupid.

i tell you, if someone is eager to present a "hero", he will succeed. i bet there are super-duper war heros all over the place in uhm.. lets say uzbecistan. or ask the afghans if they have some war heros around. THAT IS JUST F**** STUPID!

poor pollacks, they need a hero soooo badly buaaaaaahhh buuuaaahhhh!

:bash: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:petting:

[Marmot1]

you are stupid.

i tell you, if someone is eager to present a "hero", he will succeed. i bet there are super-duper war heros all over the place in uhm.. lets say uzbecistan. or ask the afghans if they have some war heros around. THAT IS JUST F**** STUPID!

poor pollacks, they need a hero soooo much buaaaaaaahhhh buuuaaahhhhhh!

:bash: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

First of all F.U.C.K. Y.O.U.

then... little history lesson for you kindergarten kid.


Polish contribution to World War II


Beginning the World War II, Poland was invaded and occupied in the Polish September Campaign by the German forces. Poland managed to establish an exile government, an intelligence service and an army outside Poland, contributing to the side of the Allies throughout the war. Poland was also the only country that did not have a puppet government collaborating with the Nazis.


Army
After the defeat in the 1939 campaign, the Polish government in exile immediately organised a new army in France. A mountain brigade took part in the Battle of Narvik. In 1940 two divisions (First Grenadier Division and Second Infantry Fusiliers Division) took part in the defense of France, with a motorized brigade and two infantry divisions were in the process of formation. The Polish Independent Carpathian Brigade was formed in Syria (a French protectorate at that time), where many Polish soldiers had fled from Romania. The Polish air force in France consisted of eighty-six aircraft in four squadrons with one and a half squadrons fully operational, and the rest in various stages of training.

After the fall of France, a large contingent of personnel were either interned in Switzerland or died during the fighting; nevertheless Władysław Sikorski was able to evacuate many Polish soldiers to England. In 1941, after an agreement with Stalin, the Soviets released many former Polish citizens, from which a 75,000-strong army was formed in the Middle East under General Wladyslaw Anders, (the so-called Anders' Army).

The Polish army in the west numbered in total 165,000 at the end at the 1944 - including about 20,000 in Polish air forces and 3,000 in the navy. At the end of WWII, the Polish army in the west numbered 195,000 soldiers and increased to 225,000 by July 1945, most of newcomers being released prisoners of war and from labour camps. The communist government organised its own army, the Polish People's Army, which at the end of the war numbered close to 500,000 soldiers. In addition, the Armia Krajowa ("Home Army"; abbreviated "AK"), the Polish resistance forces in Poland itself, at their peak numbered around 200,000 regular soldiers and many more conspirators and sympathizers.

Polish army units on the Eastern Front included the 1st Polish Army and the 2nd Polish Army, with 10 infantry divisions and 5 armoured brigades.


Air force
Polish air forces fought in the Battle of France (133 pilots - they achieved 55 victories and lost 15 men). Later Polish pilots fought in the Battle of Britain where the Polish 303 Fighter Squadron would have the highest number of kills of any Allied squadron; the Polish Air Force fought also in Tunisia (Skalski circus), and during raids on Germany. At the end at the war there were about 14,000 Polish airmen in the RAF (15 squadrons in total) and USAAF.

Polish squadrons in Great Britain:
No. 300 "Land of Masovia" Polish Bomber Squadron (Ziemi Mazowieckiej)
No. 301 "Land of Pomerania" Polish Bomber Squadron (Ziemi Pomorskiej)
No. 302 "City of Poznań" Polish Fighter Squadron (Poznański)
No. 303 "Kosciuszko" Polish Fighter Squadron (Warszawski im. Tadeusza Kościuszki)
No. 304 "Land of Silesia" Polish Bomber Squadron (''Ziemi Śląskiej im. Ks. J zefa Poniatowskiego)
No. 305 "Land of Greater Poland" Polish Bomber Squadron (Ziemi Wielkopolskiej im. Marszałka J zefa Piłsudskiego)
No. 306 "City of Toruń" Polish Fighter Squadron (Toruński'')
No. 307 "City of Lw w" Polish Fighter Squadron (Lwowskich Puchaczy)
No. 308 "City of Krak w" Polish Fighter Squadron (Krakowski)
No. 309 "Land of Czerwień" Polish Fighter-Reconnaissance Squadron (Ziemi Czerwieńskiej)
No. 315 "City of Dęblin" Polish Fighter Squadron (Dębliński)
No. 316 "City of Warsaw" Polish Fighter Squadron (Warszawski)
No. 317 "City of Wilno" Polish Fighter Squadron (Wieleński)
No. 318 "City of Gdańsk" Polish Fighter-Reconnaissance Squadron (Gdański)
No. 663 Polish Artillery Observation Squadron
Polish Fighting Team (Skalski's Circus)


Navy
A large portion of the Polish Navy was destroyed during the September campaign. However, the majority of large ships in the Polish Navy continued to fight in cooperation with the British Fleet. At different stages of the war, it consisted of 2 cruisers and large number of smaller ships, including 3 destroyers and 2 submarines, that escaped from the Baltic Sea in 1939.
Cruisers: * ORP Dragon

* ORP Conrad
Destroyers: * ORP Blyskawica (Lightning) * ORP Grom (Thunder) * ORP Burza (Storm) * ORP Garland

* ORP Orkan

* OF Ouragan (Hurricane) * ORP Piorun (Thunderbolt)
Escort destroyers

* ORP Krakowiak

* ORP Kujawiak

* ORP Ślązak
Submarines: * ORP Orzeł (Eagle) * ORP Wilk (Wolf) * ORP Dzik (Warthog) * ORP Jastrząb (Hawk) * ORP ''Sok

ł (Falcon'') This list does not include several other minor ships, transport ships, merchant marine auxiliary vessels and reconnaissance boats.

The Polish navy fought alongside the allied navies, including fighting against the Bismarck.


Intelligence
Polish cryptographers were able to decrypt early versions of Enigma and gave the results of their work to British.

As early as 1940 Polish agents (see Witold Pilecki) have penetrated many concentration camps (including Auschwitz) and informed the rest of the world about Nazi atrocities.

Armia Krajowa intelligence was vital in localising and destroying the rocket factory at Peenemunde (on 18th August 1943), and gathering information about V-1 and V-2 rockets, including delivery of a complete V-2 rocket via an air bridge from occupied Poland, when a V-2 test rocket fired on 30th May 1944 crashed near the test facility at Sarnaki nad Bugiem and was recovered and secured by the (Polish Home Army). On the night of 25/26 July 1944 it was successfully transported to UK from occupied Poland by a RAF plane together with detailed plans of the parts that were too big to fit in the aeroplane and one of the Polish technicians who were working on the rocket (see: Operation III Most). Analysis of the captured equipment proved vital in improving the Allies anti-V-2 defences.

Polish intelligence services cooperated with the Allies in every European country and they operated one of the largest intelligence networks in Nazi Germany. Many Polish exiles also served in Allied intelligence services, one of the most famous ones being Christine Granville in the British Special Operations Executive.


Underground
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Polish Underground State
Armia Krajowa aka Home Army * sabotage and intelligence tasks

* Operation Tempest * * Wilno Uprising * * Lwow Uprising * * Warsaw Uprising
Polish Intelligence See also: History of Poland (1939-1945), 27th Home Army Infantry Division


Battles
Major battles and campaigns in which Polish regular soldiers fought:
Polish September Campaign * Battle of Bzura * Battle of Tomasz w Lubelski

* Battle of Kock * Battle of Warsaw
British campaign in Norway (Battle of Narvik)
Campaign in France
Battle of Britain
Battle of the Atlantic (1940)
Battle of Tobruk
Operation Jubilee (The Battle of Dieppe)
Battle of Lenino
Battle of Normandy (D-Day)
Battle of Monte Cassino
Battle of Falaise
Operation Market Garden (Battle of Arnhem)
Battle of Ancona
Battle of Bologna
Battle of Berlin


Technical inventions
A replica of the Enigma ciphering machine was created by a group of Polish mathematicians (Jerzy R

życki, Marian Rejewski and Henryk Zygalski) and handed over to the Allies in 1939. The cryptanalysts also invented the bomba (cryptography) and the technique of perforated sheets, both devices for breaking the Enigma.
J zef Kosacki invented the Polish mine detector which was used throughout the war by Allied armies.
The Vickers Tank Periscope MK.IV was invented by engineer Rudolf Gundlach and patented in 1936 as Gundlach Peryskop obrotowy. It was then copied by the British and used in most tanks of WWII, including the Soviet T-34, British Crusader, Churchill, Valentine, Cromwell and American M4 Sherman. The main advantage of this periscope was that the tank commander no longer had to turn his head in order to look backwards. The design was also later copied and used extensively in the armies of Germany.
A bomb hatches system was invented by Wladyslaw Swiatecki in the 1930s and was used, among others, in the Polish PZL P.37 Elk bomber. In 1940 Swiatecki handed over the plans of his invention to the British authorities, who used it in most British bombers of WWII. In 1943 a modernized version was created by Jerzy Rudlicki for the American B-17 Flying Fortress.
A rubber windscreen wiper was invented by Polish pianist J zef Hofman.
Henryk Magnuski, a Polish engineer working for Motorola, invented in 1940 the SCR-3 radio, the first small radio receiver/transmitter to have manually-set frequencies. It was used extensively in the American Army and was nick-named the walkie-talkie.


References
Wladyslaw Anders: An Army in Exile: The Story of the Second Polish Corps, 1981, ASIN 0898390435
Margaret Brodniewicz-Stawicki: For Your Freedom and Ours: The Polish Armed Forces in the Second World War, Vanwell Publishing, 1999, ISBN 1551250357
Tadeusz B r-Komorowski: Secret Army, Battery Press, 1984, ISBN 0898390826
Jerzy B. Cynk: The Polish Air Force at War: The Official History, 1939-1943, Schiffer Publishing, 1998, ISBN 076430559X
Jerzy B. Cynk: The Polish Air Force at War: The Official History, 1943-1945, Schiffer Publishing, 1998, ISBN 0764305603
Norman Davies: Rising '44: The Battle for Warsaw, Viking Books, 2004, ISBN 0670032840
Lynne Olson, Stanley Cloud: A Question of Honor: The Kosciuszko Squadron: Forgotten Heroes of World War II, Knopf, 2003, ISBN 0375411976
J zef Garliński: Poland in the Second World War, Hippocrene Books, 1987, ASIN 0870523724
Jan Karski: Story of a Secret State, Simon Publications, 2001, ISBN 1931541396
Stefan Korboński, Zofia Korbońska, F. B. Czarnomski: Fighting Warsaw: The Story of the Polish Underground State, 1939-1945, Hippocrene Books, 2004, ISBN 0781810353
Władysław Kozaczuk, Jerzy Straszak: Enigma: How the Poles Broke the Nazi Code, Hippocrene Books; February 1, 2004, ISBN 078180941X
Harvey Sarner: Anders and the Soldiers of the Second Polish Corps, Brunswick Press, 1998, ISBN 1888521139
Stanisław Sosabowski: Freely I Served, Battery Press Inc, 1982, ISBN 0898390613
E. Thomas Wood, Stanislaw M. Jankowski: Karski: How One Man Tried to Stop the Holocaust, Wiley, 1996, ISBN 0471145734
Steven J. Zaloga: The Polish Army 1939-1945, Osprey Publishing, 1982, ISBN 0850454174
Adam Zamoyski: The Forgotten Few: The Polish Air Force in the Second World War, Pen & Sword Books, 2004, ISBN 1844150909

[machupichu]

WOW!
you have some awesome infos there! those numbers are nearly scaring me!!
but hmm... strange.. until this moment i thought that noone on this earth could have even roughly exact numbers about the polish refugees in foreign armies, especially in france, because of the total chaos and non existing accounting. but your numbers prove me wrong. those references seem to know it all! those must be all super uber uber sources. and they are all poles too! the coincidence!!

hey, i have some facts too, they say: Poles Dont Write Good Books.
heres the Reference so you must believe me:
Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf

rofl rofl rofl rofl


btw, do you even know why there was no "puppet government" in poland? no accident it was. maybe look up your smart books haha ;)

[Marmot1]

brb

maybe you will contribute something worth to this site except offending ppl and then editing posts...?

[machupichu]

maybe you will contribute something worth to this site except offending ppl and then editing posts...?
im VERY sorry for offending you! even more because your are so timid and bland yourself!
:backhand:

[Marmot1]

WOW!
you have some awesome infos there! those numbers are nearly scaring me!!
but hmm... strange.. until this moment i thought that noone on this earth could have even roughly exact numbers about the polish refugees in foreign armies, especially in france, because of the total chaos and non existing accounting. but your numbers prove me wrong. those references seem to know it all! those must be all super uber uber sources. and they are all poles too! the coincidence!!

hey, i have some facts too, they say: Poles Dont Write Good Books.
heres the Reference so you must believe me:
Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf

rofl rofl rofl rofl


btw, do you even know why there was no "puppet government" in poland? no accident it was. maybe look up your smart books haha ;)

so now your reference is Adolf Hitler??? certanly reliable source... once again you edited your post kid....

[machupichu]

so now your reference is Adolf Hitler??? certanly reliable source... once again you edited your post kid....
i edited so you feel less offended, thats in your own interest as you complained about me beeing ruuuude to you poor marmot :oops: :oops:

yep, my non-existent facts are proven by unreliable adolf hitlers book. see the paradoxon? see the connection?

[Marmot1]

so now your reference is Adolf Hitler??? certanly reliable source... once again you edited your post kid....
i edited so you dont feel less offended, thats in your own interest poor marmot!

yep, my non-existent facts are proven by unreliable adolf hitlers book. see the paradoxon? see the connection?

I'm not sure if refering to "Mein Kampf" is considered cool on this site...

if you are enaught immature to be unable to refer to some relable source then STFU those guys who I refered are historians, or like Anders well known and distinguished officers....

But it seems that you are unable to read with understanding or even type anything useful poor kid.

[machupichu]

you better stop insulting me or i will start offending you again rofl

fact is: there are no numbers of polish soldiers in foreign armies, especially not in france. now you come and present several polish (lol) sources telling us exactly who, where, when, what happened in what extend - that is just bull****. the text even starts nonserious! : "..an army outside Poland.." and "..did not have a puppet government..", thats just dumb to say the least. those three factors alone disqualify that whole article. its so silly how you think you posted the ultimate truth . :lol:

we all know the poles are not good at self-criticism, but transfigurating&overstating to that extent is pathetic.

[Musashi]

Trzeba zgłosić ten topik do admina, żeby z tą piczką coś zrobił, IMHO :) Chodźcie narobimy mu koło dupy.

[machupichu]

Trzeba zgłosić ten topik do admina, żeby z tą piczką coś zrobił, IMHO :) Chodźcie narobimy mu koło dupy.
Dowody na to, że palenie zwiększa ryzyko osteoporozy były kontrowersyjne, ze sprzecznymi rezultatami z serii małych badań. Największe jak dotąd badanie przechyla szalę na korzyść związków z ryzykiem.
W wystąpieniu ustnym, i członek zarządu IOF opisał rezultaty meta-analizy ponad przypadków pochodzących z prospektywnych kohortowych badań na świecie.
Kanis i współautorzy odkryli, że palenie – niezależnie czy w przeszłości czy obecnie – było związane z wyższym ryzykiem złamania. „Palenie może dołączyć do listy czynników ryzyka, które mają na celu identyfikację pacjentów z wysokim ryzykiem i którzy powinni otrzymać leczenie redukujące to ryzyko” powiedział.
Do pewnego stopnia palenie wydaje się wywierać swój negatywny efekt poprzez pomoc w obniżaniu gęstości mineralnej kości. Jednakże to nie wszystko. Palenie zdaje się również mieć inne skutki, które zwiększają ryzyko złamań. Te mogą dotyczyć zwiększonego ryzyka upadku poprzez zmniejszenie siły mięśni, a także redukcję fizycznej aktywności, przypuszczalnie w związku z innymi chorobami skojarzonymi z paleniem.[/b]

[Kitsune]

@machupichu:

Was ziehst du hier eigentlich für eine Nummer ab? Versuchst du im Alleingang die deutsch-polnischen Beziehungen zu Grunde zurichten? Gegen den Thread ist doch gar nichts zu sagen. Und wenn dir Skalski zu unwichtig erscheint, dann ignorier doch seine Todesmeldung einfach.

Musstest du eigentlich unbedingt den Leuten hier verraten, daß du Deutscher bist? Wär mir lieber du erzählst von jetzt an jedem, der dich nach deiner Nationalität fragt, du seist Peruaner...