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OB Kenobi
11-12-2004, 05:48 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet. Alot of stuff going on all over Iraq.

Iraqis rush reinforcements to Mosul as police fail to maintain order, Fallujah fighters cornered
By Robert H. Reid
Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) The Iraqi government rushed reinforcements Friday to the country's third-largest city, Mosul, seeking to quell a deadly militant uprising that U.S. officials suspected may be in support of the resistance in Fallujah now said to be under 80 percent U.S. control.

Police in Mosul largely disappeared from the streets, residents reported, and gangs of armed men brandishing automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenade launchers roamed the city, 225 miles north of Baghdad. Responding to the crisis, Iraqi authorities dismissed Mosul's police chief after local officials reported that officers were abandoning their stations to militants without firing a shot.

Elsewhere, insurgents shot down a U.S. Army UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter near Taji, 12 miles north of Baghdad, wounding three crew members, the military said. It was the third downed helicopter this week after two Marine Super Cobras succumbed to ground fire in the Fallujah operation.

In Fallujah, U.S. troops pushed insurgents into a narrow corner in the southern end of the city after a four-day assault that has claimed 22 American lives and wounded about 170 others. An estimated 600 insurgents have died, according to the military.

Despite the apparent success in Fallujah, violence flared elsewhere in the volatile Sunni Muslim areas, including Mosul, where attacks Thursday killed a U.S. soldier. Another soldier was killed in Baghdad as clashes erupted Friday in at least four neighborhoods of the capital. Clashes also broke out from Hawija and Tal Afar in the north to Samarra where the police chief was also fired and Ramadi in central Iraq.

The most serious incidents took place in Mosul, a city of about 1 million people, where fighting raged for a second day. Gunmen attacked the headquarters of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan party in an hourlong battle that a party official said left six assailants dead.

Militants also assassinated the head of the city's anti-crime task force, Brig. Gen. Mowaffaq Mohammed Dahham, and set fire to his home.

''With the start of operations in Fallujah a few days ago, we expected that there would be some reaction here in Mosul,'' Brig. Gen. Carter Ham, commander of U.S. forces in the city, told CNN from Mosul.

Ham said he doubted the Mosul attackers were insurgents who fled Fallujah and said most ''were from the northern part of Iraq, in and around Mosul and the Tigris River valley that's south of the city.''

Capt. Angela Bowman, a spokeswoman at the U.S. Mosul headquarters, said ''some of these attacks are in support of the resistance in Fallujah.''

In a telephone interview with Al-Jazeera television, Saif al-Deen al-Baghdadi, an official of the insurgents' political office, urged militants to fight U.S. forces outside Fallujah.

''I call upon the scores or hundreds of the brothers from the mujahedeen ... to press the American forces outside'' Fallujah, al-Baghdadi said.

''We chose the path of armed jihad and say clearly that ridding Iraq of the occupation will not be done by ballots. Ayad Allawi's government ... represents the fundamentalist right-wing of the White House and not the Iraqi people,'' he continued a reference to the interim Iraqi prime minister, who gave to the go-ahead for the Fallujah invasion.

In addition to firing the Mosul police chief, Iraqi authorities also dispatched four battalions of the Iraqi National Guard from garrisons along the Syrian and Iranian borders.

Most of the reinforcements are ethnic Kurds who fought alongside American forces during the 2003 invasion a move which could inflame ethnic rivalries with Mosul's Sunni Arab population. Nevertheless, it appeared Iraqi authorities had no choice given the apparent failure of the city's police force to maintain order.

At a U.S. camp near Fallujah, Lt. Gen. John Sattler, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said U.S. and Iraqi forces now occupy about 80 percent of the city, and that clearing operations are continuing to find caches of weapons and ammunition.

Army and Marine units moved to tighten their security cordon around Fallujah, backed by FA-18s and AC-130 gunships.

The largest pocket of remaining resistance fighters were cornered Friday in the city's southwest as airstrikes and strafing runs continued.

''The rout is on,'' said a 1st Cavalry Division officer. ''It won't be long now.''

Iraqi forces were charged with searching every building in Fallujah, working from north to south, the military said.

In the city's north, U.S. forces reported roving squads of three to five militants shooting small-arms fire and moving easily through narrow alleyways. Troops were finding numerous weapons caches, the military said.

Time magazine's Michael Ware, embedded with U.S. forces, said troops of the 2nd Battalion, 2nd Infantry Regiment who spearheaded the first push into the city early Monday found entire houses that were ****y-trapped.

Fighting was so fierce that, on one occasion, U.S. troops fought insurgents room to room, just a few feet away from each other in the same house.

Troops have cut off all roads and bridges leading out of Fallujah and have turned back hundreds of men trying to flee the city during the assault. Only women, children and the elderly can leave.

The military says keeping men aged 15 to 55 from leaving is key to the mission's success.

''If they're not carrying a weapon, you can't tell who's who,'' said an officer with the 1st Cavalry Division.

The Fallujah operation threatens to enflame passions within the Sunni community, not only against the American presence but against the Shiite majority, whose clerical leaders have by and large remained silent over the killings of Muslims in the city.

An audiotape purportedly made by al-Qaida-linked terror suspect Abu Musab al-Zarqawi encouraged his fighters in Fallujah and said victory was near. He accused Kurds and Shiites in the Iraqi forces of abandoning their religion and said the offensive had been blessed by ''the infidel's imam,'' Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the leading Shiite cleric in Iraq.

U.S. and Iraqi authorities launched the Fallujah operation to restore government control so that national elections can go ahead by the end of January as planned. However, hardline Sunni clerics are calling for a boycott to protest the Fallujah attacks.

In Baghdad, Iraqi security forces, backed by U.S. troops, arrested one of those clerics, Sheik Mahdi al-Sumaidaei, and about two dozen other people after a raid of his Baghdad mosque uncovered weapons and photographs of recent attacks on American troops, U.S. and Iraqi officials said.

Mosul area deputy Gov. Khissrou Gouran said gunmen tried to storm a food distribution center in the city's Yarmouk area but were forced back by National Guardsmen and security guards. The gunmen were trying to destroy election registration cards held at the center, Gouran said.

In Washington, President Bush met with his top ally in the war, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and warned that with Iraqi elections approaching, ''the desperation of the killers will grow and the violence could escalate.'' But he said victory in Iraq would be a blow to terrorists everywhere.

Fallujah militants fought Marines to a standstill last April during a three-week siege, which the Bush administration called off amid public criticism over civilian casualties.

Many, if not most, of Fallujah's 200,000-300,000 residents fled the city before the assault. It is impossible to determine how many civilians not involved in the insurgency were killed.

Commanders said they believe 1,200-3,000 insurgents were holed up in Fallujah before the offensive.

Associated Press reporters Jim Krane near Fallujah and Tini Tran, Sameer N. Yacoub, Mariam Fam, Sabah Jerges, Katarina Kratovac and Maggie Michael in Baghdad contributed to this report.

bison3255
11-12-2004, 06:56 PM
So is it just me or did the rags leave fallujah and sieze mosul?

Argyll
11-12-2004, 07:13 PM
Before I left Baghdad a few weeks ago,I was told by a friend in the know that Mosul had up to 5000 ex Republican Guard/Fedayeen sitting there just waiting,all unemployed and looking for a fight!!
The only thing that was stopping them was that nearby there was an equal amount of "Pesh" ready to counter any threat.

Mosul has seen a pretty sharp increase in activity over the last Month or so..............definately one for the watching!!

A lot of the insurgents in Mosul will also come from the Tal Afar area,it's not an influx,they were always there.......they just used the moment to make a show of strength

ZaakM433
11-12-2004, 07:22 PM
lol... did u read the article?

Argyll
11-12-2004, 07:31 PM
lol... did u read the article?

Yep, a typical OB headline grabber,but the main contents had little to do with the headlines!! ;)

GrimmyRX
11-13-2004, 01:35 AM
Well, in his defence, he did put "More" at the end of it, :lol:

Sayeret
11-13-2004, 01:51 AM
Why I'm I not surprised that OB posted this. Everyone please ignore him so he eventually stops posting this crap.

One?
11-13-2004, 01:58 AM
Why I'm I not surprised that OB posted this. Everyone please ignore him so he eventually stops posting this crap.

He's not getting news out of his ass. Look at his source its Associated Press. I'm sure alot of news networks out there use the same source. He might be trying to start something but that doesn't mean we have to hide such news.

OB Kenobi
11-13-2004, 02:08 AM
lol... did u read the article?

Yep, a typical OB headline grabber,but the main contents had little to do with the headlines!! ;)

You'll have to excuse Argyll, he's an optimist.

Redux
11-13-2004, 02:10 AM
i'd trust a PMC than an armchair general.

hood
11-13-2004, 02:11 AM
I'd love to see the Peshmerga take and hold Mosul. They'd probably be the least corruptable people right now which is seemingly the most important aspect of whoever is keeping the peace. Give an RPG and RPK to this little guy and set him loose. :)

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album08/173rdairborne45.jpg

Mamon
11-13-2004, 02:25 AM
damn that sucks, I have a friend right around the Mosul area, hope it all settles soon :(

OB Kenobi
11-13-2004, 02:39 AM
damn that sucks, I have a friend right around the Mosul area, hope it all settles soon :(

Maybe you should ask him what the hell is really going on over there.

Mamon
11-13-2004, 02:55 AM
I haven't spoken with him in a couple weeks and at any rate he doesn't mention any specifics in our conversations

Sayeret
11-13-2004, 02:57 AM
He's not getting news out of his ass. Look at his source its Associated Press. I'm sure alot of news networks out there use the same source. He might be trying to start something but that doesn't mean we have to hide such news.

The way he portrays the stories in such a way to push his own views on others even when it is fanciful. He called this article "Insurgents Invade Mosul, Blackhawk Downed, More" is in order to push his own political agendas. I am trying to get it that instead of people responding to OB about how stupid he, they should just ignore him since that would help a lot more.

hood
11-13-2004, 03:02 AM
To be fair, what would you have called it? Insurgents are walking the streets with impunity, a blackhawk was shot down... is that not what the article states?

Trident-za
11-13-2004, 03:11 AM
To be fair, what would you have called it? Insurgents are walking the streets with impunity, a blackhawk was shot down... is that not what the article states?

Agreed...

Sayeret
11-13-2004, 03:17 AM
To be fair, what would you have called it? Insurgents are walking the streets with impunity, a blackhawk was shot down... is that not what the article states?

If this were the first time OB did this then I wouldn't care too much but the fact that he keeps denying anything good happening in Iraq is ridiculous. Even when told facts by people who have actually been in Iraq OB ignores them. It is a lot like what Ariweiner did and that's why I am suggesting people just ignore OB. I don't agree with a lot of people on this forum but most of them can at least see some good in the War in Iraq for example. On the other hand we have OB who has gone as far to say that he supported Saddam and practically celebrates anytime a terrorist attack occurs in Iraq.

To answer your question as to what I would have called the article, I would have called it Iraqis rush reinforcements to Mosul as police fail to maintain order, Fallujah fighters cornered .

hood
11-13-2004, 03:21 AM
OB Kenobi, Sayeret brings up an interesting point. The headline of the article is clearly stated in what you posted, why did you change it when posting the article?

Charlie dont surf
11-13-2004, 03:24 AM
I was going to read this thread, but before that I read the stryker thread and read some of einsteins posts and then when I got to this thread I saw who the auther was, lol, forget that, I aint wasting my time on this dude

seruriermarshal
11-13-2004, 03:29 AM
OB Kenobi, Sayeret brings up an interesting point. The headline of the article is clearly stated in what you posted, why did you change it when posting the article?

Yeah

Argyll
11-13-2004, 05:47 AM
OB Kenobi, Sayeret brings up an interesting point. The headline of the article is clearly stated in what you posted, why did you change it when posting the article?


OB posts are informative to a lot of people,I'll give him this,but he tends to highlight negative aspects,and create headliners and low and behold the contents contain one paragraph of the "headline" and the rest is the doom and gloom scenario's

As for use of words,OBKenobi is no doubt an intelligent person,but lets get a few things into perspective.....if there is an insurgency cell in Mosul,you don't "invade" your own town,every district and region has it's own cells just like NI,and they tend to stay there in their area of "local knowledge"

Fallujah on the other hand was "invaded"by the USMC..and element of the Army and the Iraqi Forces......but even then an "offensive"is probably a better description ;)

My "headline" would read "Insurgents on the offensive in Mosul............................................"

Haiw
11-13-2004, 05:56 AM
My "headline" would read "Insurgents on the offensive in Mosul............................................"
More like 'F*cking tossers stirring ****e again in Mosul!!!' ;)

Phil642
11-13-2004, 10:48 AM
My "headline" would read "Insurgents on the offensive in Mosul............................................"

If i read all what is said against Ob the most logical should be:

"Insurgents freed Mosul"

OB Kenobi
11-14-2004, 04:51 PM
OB Kenobi, Sayeret brings up an interesting point. The headline of the article is clearly stated in what you posted, why did you change it when posting the article?

I changed it because I wanted to add the part about the helicopters to follow up on how many helicopters were downed, which was being discussed in another thread at the time. Some people didn't believe ANY were downed when the first two were reported, now it turned out six were downed.

I also wanted to emphasize the effect that the attack on Fallujah was having on the rest of Iraq, because it shows that there are insurgents coordinating with the Fallujans (AKA Sunnis)... or what's left of them.

It's pretty obvious from just the photos that some bad collateral damage went on in Fallujah, and people like Sayaret will deny it ever happened. Then they will wonder why the Iraqis are mad and why the insurgency never seems to end.

hood
11-14-2004, 05:42 PM
Well, you can't prove someone wrong by using words that aren't accurate either. It just puts you in the same place you think those other people are. An 'invasion' will clearly be taken as a large scale force that's taken over a city, which didn't happen. You could accurately say that Fallujah was invaded by insurgents, but that's not the case for Mosul, and wasn't mentioned by the original author for that reason.

By the insurgents own words: ''I call upon the scores or hundreds of the brothers from the mujahedeen". Hardly comparable to the 150k troops we have over there.

Argyll
11-15-2004, 04:11 AM
I also wanted to emphasize the effect that the attack on Fallujah was having on the rest of Iraq, because it shows that there are insurgents coordinating with the Fallujans (AKA Sunnis)... or what's left of them.

And you know this because you serve in Iraq right?.........complete and utter shyte you have not got a clue to insurgency and it's movements,your blind hatred for everything the US is doing there is becoming quite sickening!!

4fox
11-15-2004, 04:53 AM
I also wanted to emphasize the effect that the attack on Fallujah was having on the rest of Iraq, because it shows that there are insurgents coordinating with the Fallujans (AKA Sunnis)... or what's left of them.

And you know this because you serve in Iraq right?.........complete and utter shyte you have not got a clue to insurgency and it's movements,your blind hatred for everything the US is doing there is becoming quite sickening!!

exactly, I lurk around here a bit and just about all the post from OB are VERY anti US Military. Whats up with that?

Argyll
11-15-2004, 05:23 AM
He can have his opinions,but bringing them here to this level consistently is designed to flame!!

He knows full well this site is Patriotic and fully supportive of the Troops in Iraq.......would you,after being invited to dinner criticise the host's culinary skills?

Your location.......genuine?