What's the score with our Scandinavian members?

[Argyll]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?

I've never seen so many flamers and potential flamers come from such a region......I just don't get it....what exactly is the point being here?

Don't get me wrong there are a lot of Scandinavians who are informative and post great pics,and are generally very funny.......but there are more who seem intent on "stirring the ****"....why is this?

The good members know who they are,as do these "antagonists"

Is it just me or do the rest of you members see the same thing?

Another thing I've noticed is that the "stirrers" are using IP proxies,making it more difficult to place locations..... ;) ......track covering or a neccesity?

Same with people previously banned,who return and literally pick up where they left off........don't they get the message?Why return and continue their crap.........I just don't get it!!

Rant over...as is a bottle of Jack daniels!!

[Hawkeye]

Nope, haven't noticed. But offcourse I wouldn't notice it that quickly because I'm not American.

[Hell Viking]

I'm not anti-anything. I respect the troops overthere who serves their duty and cannot be blamed for a triggerhappy goverment

SEMPER FI

[Haiw]

I'm not anti-anything. I respect the troops overthere who serves their duty and cannot be blamed for a triggerhappy goverment

SEMPER FI
You're Norwegian, this rant isn't about you... ;)

And I believe it's something they do in the water. :P

[Stavka]

I dont think that Scandinavians as a whole hate the US and its likes, I know I certainly dont. And I disagree with the statement that Scandinavians start flame wars, from what Ive seen its the other board members responses to scandinavian posting that starts flames.

A scandinavian posting his thoughts on something on the board, those thoughts usually differring in perspective from many others here, is almost immediately pounced on by flamers.
Perhaps it is, that we as a culture, tend to be very tolerant towards outside influences?

[Rantanplan]

I said it before. To many scandinavians on this Forums!

[ShadowNeo]

*in a redneck voice*

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!

[Stavka]

I'm not anti-anything. I respect the troops overthere who serves their duty and cannot be blamed for a triggerhappy goverment

SEMPER FI
You're Norwegian, this rant isn't about you... ;)

And I believe it's something they do in the water. :P

Norwegians are scandinavians as well. You hit the hookah too much Haiw.

[Hell Viking]

I'm not anti-anything. I respect the troops overthere who serves their duty and cannot be blamed for a triggerhappy goverment

SEMPER FI
You're Norwegian, this rant isn't about you... ;)

And I believe it's something they do in the water. :P

Hehe.. ok ..
BTW: scaninavia consists of: Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark

[Haiw]

Actually I thought Scandinavia was only Norway, Sweden and Denmark, not Finland? Either way I meant that the Norwegians don't have a bad reputation on the forum yet.

[Hell Viking]

ok .. my bad then. I'm new on this whole thing so .. I work best in RL so see med then and we'll talk .. or not.. :bash:

[Marsuitor]

I like how quite a few Scandis register with norse cliche type names like it actually still matters... ;)
Btw, yeah, Scandinavia is Norway, Denmark, Sweden. While the Nordic being Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and the Faroe Islands.

[Stavka]

Actually I thought Scandinavia was only Norway, Sweden and Denmark, not Finland? Either way I meant that the Norwegians don't have a bad reputation on the forum yet.

Hmmm... Im half norwegian, does that mean only half of the forum population hates me? Or does everyone in fact hate me, but only my swedish genes...;)

[Khabbi]

Dont forget Iceland

[Argyll]

I dont think that Scandinavians as a whole hate the US and its likes, I know I certainly dont. And I disagree with the statement that Scandinavians start flame wars, from what Ive seen its the other board members responses to scandinavian posting that starts flames.

A scandinavian posting his thoughts on something on the board, those thoughts usually differring in perspective from many others here, is almost immediately pounced on by flamers.
Perhaps it is, that we as a culture, tend to be very tolerant towards outside influences?

Where in my post does it say that Scandinavians start flame wars?
I said I've never seen so many come from a Region!! ;)
you need to read between the lines here!
I also stated there are some intent on "stiring it"

maybe you missed this bit?


Don't get me wrong there are a lot of Scandinavians who are informative and post great pics

Hmmmmm maybe my geography is just pure pish,but I thought Finland was Scandinavian?

The penny should drop now?

[Nordic Fire]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq? What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?
(Disclaimer: I speak only for myself here)

Because of my profession I am fascinated by all kinds of high-tech - including military technology. Hence, I mainly come here for the great pics of such tech and not to post, as you can see from my low posting rate.

As far as anti-Americanism goes, I refute that accusation. Yes, I - and according to the polls the majority of Finns - strongly disagree with the present American foreign policy and find the Iraq campaign in particular offensive as it looks like an unsanctioned, pre-emptive assault by a superpower on a smaller nation. Not unlike to what happened to us in WWII (Winterwar). On a more personal level (on MP.net), the reeking jingoism, unabashed xenophobic intolerance as well as the ignorance of what's humane behaviour exhibited by posters like usa320 and Mobster is appalling - reading their posts without at least making one barbed remark is for me like having an itch that I have to leave unscratched. That's why my posts may look like I'm here to "stir the ****". However, as far as I can remember, I have not been sniping at anyone here just because he's an American. That would be anti-Americanism.

But if disagreeing with the US foreign politics and the opinions of the majority of posters on this board makes me an anti-American and therefore unfit to post on MP.net, so be it: do revoke my membership. Note that I'm not trying to play "a victim" or making ultimatums here: if I remember right, I can view the photos without being a member and if I don't have an account, I don't get tempted to post replies to usa320. ;) However, please add a new chapter to the Forum Rules. Advising any new members of that political dissent and criticism of US/MNF is unwelcome here saves you a lot of time. You could ban such users straight away for breaking the rules.


Another thing I've noticed is that the "stirrers" are using IP proxies,making it more difficult to place locations..... ;) ......track covering or a neccesity?
My two IPs (a static work IP and a dynamic home IP) are quite real - I don't have any need to resort to proxies. The e-mail address I used for registration is quite real and active as well. Feel free to mail me at any time.


Same with people previously banned,who return and literally pick up where they left off........don't they get the message?Why return and continue their crap.........I just don't get it!!
I have been accused of being someone called Mustamato and I really would like to clear this up. I don't know who he is, why I am being mistaken for him and if he really wrote like me. Blaming whatever he did/wrote on me is just friggin' unfair.

End of my rant.

[Haiw]

I have been accused of being someone called Mustamato and I really would like to clear this up. I don't know who he is, why I am being mistaken for him and if he really wrote like me. Blaming whatever he did/wrote on me is just friggin' unfair.
Don't know this guy NF, but I can vouch for him, because mustamato was posting under 'Kekkonen'.

[Elmo]

Hmmmmm maybe my geography is just pure pish,but I thought Finland was Scandinavian?



Nope, it isn't. Scandinavia is the mountain range running north-southish in Norway and Sweden. Calling Finland a scandinavian country is not a big deal, though.

As for ****e-stirring, it usually starts as a response to blind, appalling patriotism, glorifying of killing, rejoicing of death, and utter lack of wider perspective into conflicts.

Somehow I feel many wannabees here have no respect for weapons, nor any knowledge of military, apart from romantizised patriotism, movies and video-games. All this plus a false feeling of superiority physically, mentally, culturally and in terms of religion sometimes tend to irritate a bit.

Even if a conflict is not personal, it is always technology vs. ragheads, or stronger and cooler looking is always perceived to be right and the rest are terrorist, who, as some member would put it "all terrorist must killed!"

And yes, I'm generalizing here but anyway.

[Argyll]

I have been accused of being someone called Mustamato and I really would like to clear this up. I don't know who he is, why I am being mistaken for him and if he really wrote like me. Blaming whatever he did/wrote on me is just friggin' unfair.
Don't know this guy NF, but I can vouch for him, because mustamato was posting under 'Kekkonen'.

Past tense!!.... ;)

Nordic.......no problems and at least you're 100% honest,Musty used to use that bloke kekkonen pics and I can see why people jump to conclusions....... ;)

Like I said there are some,but it would be well advised that this sight is very Patriotic,there are extremist views and these people have had run ins with me in the past,I show no favouritism whether they be Brits,Americans Israeli's Germans or Scandies,if they start the flaming and bring down the good work being done by others to make this site such an interesting one,then I'll clamp down.........I hate everyone so that way nobody gets preferential treatment!!! ;)

Now I don't agree with a lot of what goes on in Iraq,but I'm there and I see a hell of a lot more than what people see from small media reports,I live and breath the daily attacks,the incoming fire,the small arms attacks,the VBIED's......and it irks me sometimes when the armchair Generals and Politicians talk right out of their arse when sit in the comfort of their own homes!

I don't agree with a lot of the US Policies in Iraq,I will make the neccesary comments,and leave it at that because there is nothing that any of us can do to change it.........so consistantly going on about them draws attention to the poster,and it opens up the preverbail flaming and I get really pissed off about it.......because whilst Men and Women are dying in far off lands people still see fit to spit in their faces!!

[Raistlin]

I feel for you, Argyll. I would like to live in some scandinavian country but definately NOT because of the people there.

[Javehn]

I have been accused of being someone called Mustamato and I really would like to clear this up. I don't know who he is, why I am being mistaken for him and if he really wrote like me. Blaming whatever he did/wrote on me is just friggin' unfair.
Don't know this guy NF, but I can vouch for him, because mustamato was posting under 'Kekkonen'.

Why Musta/Kekkonen was banned ?

[Argyll]

I feel for you, Argyll. I would like to live in some scandinavian country but definately NOT because of the people there.

Don't get me wrong These countries are extremely beautiful in their own rights I believe Finalnd has some of the most beautiful women in the world,and they outnumber men 3-1......can't be that bad! ;)

I have nothing personal against any country,or it's residents,just sometimes here it looks and gets ugly because of some individuals,but there are equally the same idiots waving the Patriotic banner way too much.

Patriotism is fine,and I can accept it,but It really gets to me with a lot of the "in your face jingoism and euphoria",but I chose to ignore it,because I can assure you there is nothing euphoric about taking a life,irrespective of the circumstances,but people rise to it,and then then the insults begin to Fly and the morality of war comes out and it's fine sitting here in the comfort of your own homes,not understanding the fear anguish and terror the guys on the ground are feeling,the pressure they're under the anxiety,hunger, fatigue etc!!
War and Conflict are horrible and disgusting and it's the failure of communication between men...........Politicians start wars............. soldiers have to fight them..........there is nothing glorious about war,save that for the movies..........

I need more Jack Daniels :(

[ikurinturbiini]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

Why I'm here: what Nordic Fire said. Furthermore, I mainly check in to see the latest news, this place is a link heaven and you can stay on top of all world conflicts following just one website. Bravo!

If you read carefully, you'll find that I personally am anti-idiocy and anti-bigotry. I react to idiocy and bigotry, and a surprisingly large quantity of both are being dished out by American, Russian and Israeli members.

Many things that USA, Israel and Russia do are questionable from both intellectual and moral POV. And to an astonishing extent, their actions often don't make any sense in political or even military terms, either. And that's regardless of the fact that they produce tons of good pictures.

Iraq has been a major eye-opener. We need not look any further for the reason why so many are being "anti." In the Nordic countries we (in general, and I know I'm generalizing here) dislike extreme actions and extreme views, and we don't believe in easy, straightforward solutions for complex problems. We are boring that way. Plus, we (especially the Swedes) have a long history of being the world conscience. We speak out, even if it is not in our own best interest (short forum life expected). Maybe that's why we come across as rude, insensitive, anti and generally gay.

What we/I try to accomplish, beats the hell out of me. It's the Net. I gave up trying to change the world in the Internet maybe ten years ago, in Usenet.

Mustamato was perhaps an asshole, but he was also funny as hell. I regretted to see him go. After all, he brought Tom of Finland into Militaryphotos.net mainstream! If he crossed some line in PM, so be it, out with him. I'm not him.

I don't use a proxy. I move around in East Africa but only post from my own house. I gave up identity games a long time ago. What's the point? I don't want to get banned, but if saying what I say gets me banned, well, then it just wasn't my kind of place. I concur fully with Nordic Fire's excellent post.

My pet hate forumite, Roman, has decided to ignore me completely, and that's just swell. I did bash him intentionally, because he was acting like an idiot and a bigot. He even called me names. I wish more people could just ignore. I wish I could ignore! Many a post I delete after typing something venomous and pseudo-intellectual. I wish more people did that before posting something venomous and idiotic.

[Haiw]

I need more Jack Daniels :(
Dude...it's still afternoon. :|

[Vance]

I thought Scandanavia was a country. :lol:


oh God.

[Argyll]

You know I think I'm gonna delete this topic as there have been some very honest answers and comments made here,I like that.........I also like Jack Daniels......and I'm out :(

Haiw.........you never just have a blow out and talk shyte and speak from the heart.......even in a sort of drunken haze?

Makes you feel a bit human again.....won't tommorow right enuff! :(

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

This is not an offensive post by any means.

The way I see it. Is that generally speaking normal Americans can be quite ignorant with what goes on outside there country.

A small section from a msn conversation I had with a relative who lives in Cincinatti

Why does the world seem to hate America?

My response was simply that Americans fail to understand that what is best for America is not generally the best for other countries of the world. Wether the American Foreign Policy is right or wrong is not up for debate but it does have quite alot of negative impact in other parts of the world.

Also in Europe the feeling that America only became involved to make a nice little profit out of the two world wars doesent help either. Neither does the fact that a country barely 200 odd years old refuses to listen to countries who are over 1000 years old help matters either.

At the end of the day America is just seen as a seflish, ignorant, arrogant and a nation where the mighty dollor is more important then social responsability. Thats how the world sees America.

I will stress though, the poor feeling America is recieving now is no different to the poor feeling the British were recieving when they were the most poswerful country in the world either. It just comes with the territory of being the dominate country.

Live with it or get the **** out and stop your complaining.

;)

[Haiw]

Haiw.........you never just have a blow out and talk shyte and speak from the heart.......even in a sort of drunken haze?
Not really... and I normally consider the afternoon to be a bit too early to be in a drunken haze...

[Argyll]

Haiw.........you never just have a blow out and talk shyte and speak from the heart.......even in a sort of drunken haze?
Not really... and I normally consider the afternoon to be a bit too early to be in a drunken haze...

Wuss!! ;) besides it's 6.30 Iraq time!!

[Haiw]

Yeah but you started this thread at 1515 Iraqi time... ;) And it's not that I'm a wuss, it's just that I prefer drinking in the late evening / night / early morning and use the afternoon for sleeping it off. :D

[Freibier]

I need more Jack Daniels :(
Well, it's not my business but why is a Scotsman drinking this cheap **** when there is awesome scottish whisky like Laphroaig, etc?
p-)

[Argyll]

I need more Jack Daniels :(
Well, it's not my business but why is a Scotsman drinking this cheap **** when there is awesome scottish whisky like Laphroaig, etc?
p-)

rofl Scots Whisky makes me boak!!.....I discovered I liked JD and coke over in the Sandbox.....never threw back.....sorry looked back!! :(

oh and at 16 quid a bottle it ain't bloody cheap either!!

[Freibier]

OMG :P

[Viktorin]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

[Stavka]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

We like you anyway.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

Yeah, it's those damn Scandinavians having a rant again!*
While there might be persons who really believe that the US is the Great Satan™, I believe most "Anti American" people are merely questioning the US foreign policy, which isn't always very "subtle"... "either you're with us, or you're against us" :|

As for anti-Iraq; you don't think the US has been "a little" heavy handed there? I only get my information from the media, but seem to me there's not exactly a "hearts & minds" operation going on ;)

My biggest gripe for the US is the royal ****-up made after the attack-phase, dismantling the police and the army...basically, there was nobody to keep order, and I see the current situation as direct result from that.

*Luckily we Finns aren't part of it, so we can't be blamed, right? p-)



What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


You think "the UN military discussion board" would attract many visitors? :lol:



Same with people previously banned,who return and literally pick up where they left off........don't they get the message?Why return and continue their crap.........I just don't get it!!

*Makes note to self: "Don't answer ironically to people making stupid comments or you might get booted..." :roll:



Rant over...as is a bottle of Jack daniels!!

Gotcha! So that's what this is all about... Don't worry, we Finns know all about blowing out steam while drunk p-)

Btw,
Try Jameson ;)

[Argyll]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

erm I'd tell you if you were!..........besides you're more than a match for any bloke here

[Viktorin]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

erm I'd tell you if you were!..........besides you're more than a match for any bloke here

Match, what kind of a match?? A flaming burning match to light a fire, or a match for dating? :lol:

[Viktorin]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

We like you anyway.

I feel so happy, a Swede actually complimented me, that's a damn first. rofl

[Luno]

i am not Anti American and Anti Iraq :D
cheers!
Luno

[Argyll]

Dunno,maybe it's fine being Anti Iraq,but I guess if your country is losing men daily then they have the right to be a little sensitive,I'm sure if your countries Armed Services were engaged in hostile actions and suffering casualties you'd feel a bit pissed off at some of the comments that have been getting thrown around in some of the topics.

The way I see it,yep it's fine to be Anti Iraq,but you make your point,and allow the countries involved to carry on their duties ,without continiously trying to denounce every single action that goes on there.

I know exactly what it's like to be on the recieving end of incoming fire,both pysically and verbally,it's not nice because all you are doing is your job.......sure I chose to do it,but so did everyone else in the planet,and I do not criticise the way your life is run,or your office/workplace ethics or the methods in which your business is carried out........it's about high time people stopped being judgemental about what goes on in Iraq especially if they've never set foot in the place.

But remember Hood owns this site,and he's very Patriotic,I've yet to meet an American that isn't......tell a lie OB Kenobi is a seperate entity!!,most of the posters are also teenagers,with little or no concept of the death and destruction,whilst some of you Anti Iraq guys and dolls are a considerable bit more mature........so judge ye not and ye shall not be judged!!

[Phil642]

I need more Jack Daniels :(
Well, it's not my business but why is a Scotsman drinking this cheap **** when there is awesome scottish whisky like Laphroaig, etc?
p-)

That's funny, i asked him the same question on a MP an hour ago ...

Argyll does like JD, so do i but ginving up with Scotch Whisky for a Scott is quiet strange ... maybe just a physiological matter.

Have you asked a physician Argyll?

BTW JD is daaaaamn good!

[Argyll]

To be totally honest I used to be a Bacardi and coke man,or Vodka and Red Bull or Rum.......get the pic.........Whisky drove me nuts,I used to think I was the hardest bastid on the planet......and end up fighting ma way into the cells for the night,it used to send me off ma heid,so I stopped drinking it.

Then in the Argyll's I discovered Bacardi,and became a Bacardi boy(Drinkin club).........then 2 months ago I tried JD and coke and it never gave me a hangover,and never made me feel like **** the next day........the rest is history!!


Hmmm a psychologist.......went once........Gave me a snooker ball told me it was an Orange and asked me to peel it,I gave it back and said if you peel it I'll eat it!!!

[Marmot1]

http://www.winecellar.co.uk/images/products/Spirits/Jack_Daniels_-_46333.jpg

Long discusion and nobody put botle on the table yet.... p-)

As for maturity you are right Argyll there are many tenagers... and they are excited with those fancy planes cars guns etc. but as I mentioned this some time ago there is always another side of medal... pain and death... problem is that Americans seem to see only one side of medal...

What piss me personally is that Americans all the time try to link Iraqi war with 9.11 and war on terror, truth is that terror (I have terrorists on mind not state terror) came to iraq AFTER march 2003... Of course Saddam was bad but in no way connected with 9.11 (or prove me I am wrong) Current war is considered by most of the world as a private revange of GW Junior for what his father didn't have balls to do - Topling Saddam in 1991. But as we say in Poland "If you brew beer then you have to drink it" It's why I think that US should remain in Iraq and finish their job.. same with Poland we were there at the begining thus we must stay there for very end.

[Ichhabe]

Last time I was drunk was back in April 2002. I drink rarely, and even rarelier get drunk.
Can't say I like the feeling that scotch or cognac cause, but man do I love the taste.

[FDF_Hemppis]

The way I see it,yep it's fine to be Anti Iraq,but you make your point,and allow the countries involved to carry on their duties ,without continiously trying to denounce every single action that goes on there.


Agree.



But remember Hood owns this site,and he's very Patriotic,I've yet to meet an American that isn't

Being patriotic is fine, patriotism is the driving force of a nation, its what keeps 'em together through tough times. But the bad side of patriotism is, that it easily turns to fanatism/radicalism... (not saying anyone specifically is like that)

[Argyll]

Good points Hemppis

[Stormy]

Bacardi is okay. They even got Bacardi breezers and it comes in different flavors. The babes really dig the Bacardi breezers so buy them one when you at the bar or club.

http://dataflow.dnsalias.com/de-steen/images/assortiment/breezer-peach.gif Peach

http://dataflow.dnsalias.com/de-steen/images/assortiment/breezer-citrus.gif Citrus

[memphiz]

Being Canadian Im very patriotic towards my own country and the US. At hockey games when they play the US nathional anthem I get the same tingly feeling I get when I here "Oh Canada"
http://www.patchplace.com/US_Canada_Flags_066z.jpg

[Argyll]

I might be a bastid here at times,but If I ever met any of the forum members in a bar or club,I'd still buy them a drink!!

And if any of you ever get to Scotland I'd still want to meet up and have a beer or a JD!! ;)

[Haiw]

I might be a bastid here at times,but If I ever met any of the forum members in a bar or club,I'd still buy them a drink!!

And if any of you ever get to Scotland I'd still want to meet up and have a beer or a JD!! ;)
Even with mustamato? Or would you bring knuckledusters? ;)

[memphiz]

I might be a bastid here at times,but If I ever met any of the forum members in a bar or club,I'd still buy them a drink!!

And if any of you ever get to Scotland I'd still want to meet up and have a beer or a JD!! ;)
Scotland would be awsome to visit, I got alot of distant relitives there

[Stormy]

I been to Sweden, Norway and Denmark a few times I go there for the deejaying and the Scandinavians I met were very nice and friendly people. I guess you guys mean the Scandinavians people of military forums if anything. One of my good friends is from Goteborg in Sweden he is also a dj/producer and he is signed now and he is nice enough to ask me I can go on and open for him at a club if I feel, great guy. When I go I get nothing but high fives or hand shakes, nice people indeed. ;) I guess it's a militaryphotos.net thing.

[TallGuy]

On this forum, the ones that start flames are mostly Finns and Danes and sometimes Swedes.

The media in Nordic countries is bias. They tend to be anti-American, at least in my country. I think this is because Nordic countries tend to be 'social' as in the word socialism.

A lot of Icelanders(mostly young people and lefties) say Americans are stupid and President Bush is the real world terrorist etc. A lot of Icelanders were against the Iraq war but the Governement supported it. Most of the people that hate Americans are the ones that have long hair and wear second-hand clothing, the commies.

The socialists were against sending Icelandic UN peacekeepers to Afghanistan, because they said they were being used by the "warmongering" Americans.

[Argyll]

I might be a bastid here at times,but If I ever met any of the forum members in a bar or club,I'd still buy them a drink!!

And if any of you ever get to Scotland I'd still want to meet up and have a beer or a JD!! ;)
Even with mustamato? Or would you bring knuckledusters? ;)

I said Members Haiw

[TallGuy]

I forgot to say that I'm pro-American, pro-Iraq war and pro-Israeli. As a half-American, I might be a bit bias. ;)

[Marmot1]

I forgot to say that I'm pro-American, pro-Iraq war and pro-Israeli. As a half-American, I might be a bit bias. ;)

a bit or totally ;-)

[Marsuitor]

On this forum, the ones that start flames are mostly Finns and Danes and sometimes Swedes.

The media in Nordic countries is bias. They tend to be anti-American, at least in my country. I think this is because Nordic countries tend to be 'social' as in the word socialism.

A lot of Icelanders(mostly young people and lefties) say Americans are stupid and President Bush is the real world terrorist etc. A lot of Icelanders were against the Iraq war but the Governement supported it. Most of the people that hate Americans are the ones that have long hair and wear second-hand clothing, the commies.

The socialists were against sending Icelandic UN peacekeepers to Afghanistan, because they said they were being used by the "warmongering" Americans.
Read the papers in Norway and cry. They devoted two pages in the local newspaper to some woman who only got 19 fags in her 20 pack and only managed to put a small 8x8cm notice on those Israelis who got blew up on the bus. Yet, the next week Israel got their own back and ended up with some Palis collateral it was all over the shop. Go figure, makes me sick to the arse. With most of the state media working this way, it's not strange how all the smelly besserwissers are the one's who whine the loudest.

[Marsuitor]

Or are heard the most. Damn edit button!

[Phil642]

Dunno,maybe it's fine being Anti Iraq,but I guess if your country is losing men daily then they have the right to be a little sensitive,I'm sure if your countries Armed Services were engaged in hostile actions and suffering casualties you'd feel a bit pissed off at some of the comments that have been getting thrown around in some of the topics.

The way I see it,yep it's fine to be Anti Iraq,but you make your point,and allow the countries involved to carry on their duties ,without continiously trying to denounce every single action that goes on there.

I know exactly what it's like to be on the recieving end of incoming fire,both pysically and verbally,it's not nice because all you are doing is your job.......sure I chose to do it,but so did everyone else in the planet,and I do not criticise the way your life is run,or your office/workplace ethics or the methods in which your business is carried out........it's about high time people stopped being judgemental about what goes on in Iraq especially if they've never set foot in the place.

But remember Hood owns this site,and he's very Patriotic,I've yet to meet an American that isn't......tell a lie OB Kenobi is a seperate entity!!,most of the posters are also teenagers,with little or no concept of the death and destruction,whilst some of you Anti Iraq guys and dolls are a considerable bit more mature........so judge ye not and ye shall not be judged!!

That's right.

But some of the people here are not against the soldiers that are on duty in Iraq who do their job as they have to.

The problem is only politic, for instance i do not agree with the way the war in Iraq started, but i was very pleased to see Saddam's system falling down, it's a hope for the Iraqis.

BTW i'm not anti army (i'm a nostalgic of my duty time and i frequently go back in the army for exercises), otherwise i should not be on this forum.

I have a deep respect for the soldiers from any country doing their job honestly and with pride; i'm for a great fraternity toward soldiers from any country as it's what i'm searching on this forum.

For this reason i was just wondering why there was a political topic on this forum as politics has nothing to do with soldiers, politics is for f.u.c.k.i.n.g. p-) politicians and not for soldiers who are sent everywhere in the world to maintain or accomplish some private interests power of people living in comfortable living rooms, i know, this always happened in human's history, but we do not have to manage it.

Politic is politic, army is army and all what i see on this forum are flames against each others (sometimes it's funny but rarely) as we should at the contrary share same values as soldiers.

And finally, i know that many of the forum participants are very young and that they haven't the experience of war or the army but this is just the point we have to discuss about: what example have we to show to the youngest?

Flames between allies? Anti Brotherhood? ****ty political discussion that never ends? I'm sure this is a wrong way.

A soldier always undergo the politics’ decisions; the duty of a good soldier is to do his job ./

Let's just talk army, weapons, rules, gear, jokes, ... but not about &榋₩ぜはש朴ωЮRتש f.u.c.k.i.n.g politic

[Elmo]

On this forum, the ones that start flames are mostly Finns and Danes and sometimes Swedes.
.

Which was first, the chicken or the egg?

How much information is stored in a single phrase "Yes! All terrorist must be killed!" ???

I'd say it's pretty much impossible to pinpoint who starts flames. Other man's flame is another man's cheer.

So it goes.

[Stavka]

For the record, all of us scandinavians choose our sources in media very very carefully, because as Marcus said, nearly all media is biased to the left.

Mediawhores must die.

[bloddyaxe]

Just for the record I'm not anti american, anti israeli, anti russian, anti eu etc.
Each of these enteties make occasional unwise decisions which I would disagree with and the EU parliament and commities are doing tons of stupid things at the moment and have been.

Media in my country is also surprisingly ****e to use unreliable reports and even forthright lie and it is of course massively biased, but they can be both pro and anti any of the above entities.

That said, I believe that my government has been so utterly massively pro american for the last 50 years it would easily make up for any opinions big part of the population has acquired, as their opinions have minimal effect.

[Steve Railsback]

Last time I was drunk was back in April 2002. I drink rarely, and even rarelier get drunk.
Can't say I like the feeling that scotch or cognac cause, but man do I love the taste.
What????? And you call your self a Norwegian!!

[radon]

But some of the people here are not against the soldiers that are on duty in Iraq who do their job as they have to.

The problem is only politic, for instance i do not agree with the way the war in Iraq started, but i was very pleased to see Saddam's system falling down, it's a hope for the Iraqis.

BTW i'm not anti army (i'm a nostalgic of my duty time and i frequently go back in the army for exercises), otherwise i should not be on this forum.

And finally, i know that many of the forum participants are very young and that they haven't the experience of war or the army but this is just the point we have to discuss about: what example have we to show to the youngest?

Flames between allies? Anti Brotherhood? ****ty political discussion that never ends? I'm sure this is a wrong way.


I agree but not completely. Here is my opinion on the development of this place. I am not in the military because of unexpected medical reasons. This might very likely not even have happened in another military. Count me as discharged :lol: I was a very short time. But I am not leaving because of that. I think I will read interesting things and sometimes even post pictures here. I dont see there as a problem with that. Most of my posts are not in topics that I can not really comment on anyway. And I will be even careful about that in the future. Think of how many pictures and military history stories would be lost because civilian people post them.

But I think the problem you mean is armchair generals and mostly new pepole who come here and start posting their "wisdoms" here. Atleast they get on my nerves.

Another thing is the political rants. I think the political section is just right. And imo more topics could be there not in gd. People can flame around in political discussions. I think Generaldiscussions could be cleaned faster from political stuff.

[ikurinturbiini]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

We like you anyway.

I feel so happy, a Swede actually complimented me, that's a damn first. rofl

You're both homos.

[Stavka]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

We like you anyway.

I feel so happy, a Swede actually complimented me, that's a damn first. rofl

Dont get all over excited. This swede is more norwegian than swedish. ;)

[Romulus]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

We like you anyway.

I feel so happy, a Swede actually complimented me, that's a damn first. rofl

You're both homos.

rofl rofl

[b.scheller]

I'm not anti-anything. I respect the troops overthere who serves their duty and cannot be blamed for a triggerhappy goverment

SEMPER FI
You're Norwegian, this rant isn't about you... ;)

And I believe it's something they do in the water. :P

Scandinavia = Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark :cantbeli:

[Luno]

I'm not anti-anything. I respect the troops overthere who serves their duty and cannot be blamed for a triggerhappy goverment

SEMPER FI
You're Norwegian, this rant isn't about you... ;)

And I believe it's something they do in the water. :P

Scandinavia = Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark :cantbeli:

and Iceland :D

[Haiw]

I'm not anti-anything. I respect the troops overthere who serves their duty and cannot be blamed for a triggerhappy goverment

SEMPER FI
You're Norwegian, this rant isn't about you... ;)

And I believe it's something they do in the water. :P

Scandinavia = Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark :cantbeli:
Read you foo'!

[djon]

What's the fuss...just give me Scandinavian chicks anyday ;)

[Viktorin]

Interesting topic, from the looks of it, I'm probably one of those **** stirring bitches. :oops:

We like you anyway.

I feel so happy, a Swede actually complimented me, that's a damn first. rofl

Dont get all over excited. This swede is more norwegian than swedish. ;)

Well, I'm 50% Norwegian and 50% Swedish. I have a Swedish mum, but a Norwegian papa, but I was born in Norway. So I guess the percentage then is 60-70% Norwegian and 40-30% Swedish. :|

[Ichhabe]

Scandinavia: Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

The Nordic countries: Denmark, Faeroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden.

[bloddyaxe]

Scandinavia: Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

The Nordic countries: Denmark, Faeroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden.

You forgot Greenland, Jan Mayen, Spitzbergen and Álandseyjar.

[Viktorin]

Scandinavia: Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

The Nordic countries: Denmark, Faeroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden.

You forgot Greenland, Jan Mayen, Spitzbergen and Álandseyjar.

Svalbard man! Get it right, Spitzbergen (Spitsbergen) is so Englishy in a way. :P


:hug:

[Scottie]

its ****ounced the same :cantbeli:

[Hullebullen]

woot Yaaaay! Our own thread...wait, no...what have you done now, Stavka? :roll: :lol:

[Viktorin]

its ****ounced the same :cantbeli:

No ****e, but just some people spell it differently than others..

Oh oh........ Here come the rollie eyes!!!























































:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Scottie]

u know, if there were more people like u, we'd have a World Crisis... :roll:























j/k

[Viktorin]

u know, if there were more people like u, we'd have a World Crisis... :roll:























j/k

More like world peace.

[Or4cle]

About Scandinavia: according to Wikipedia ------->
Scandinavia is the cultural and historic region of the Scandinavian Peninsula. The Scandinavian countries are Norway, Sweden and Denmark, which mutually recognize each other as parts of Scandinavia. The collective label "Scandinavia" reflects the cultural similarity between these countries despite their political independence. The terms Fennoscandia and Fenno-Scandinavia are sometimes used for an extended region.

The usage and meaning of the term outside Scandinavia is somewhat ambiguous:

* Finland and Iceland are many times counted as parts of Scandinavia.
* In a German mindset, Norway, Sweden and Finland are usually included, but Denmark is not.
* In a British mindset, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are usually included, often with the addition of Iceland and Finland.

:)

[Ichhabe]

Scandinavia: Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

The Nordic countries: Denmark, Faeroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden.

You forgot Greenland, Jan Mayen, Spitzbergen and Álandseyjar.

No, I did not.

[ikurinturbiini]

You forgot Åland.

They are an autonomous, demilitarized island province. The island belongs to Finland. The islanders speak Swedish.

They have their own stamps.

They also have their own flag: blue comes from the Swedish flag, red and yellow are the colours of Finland's Swedish speaking minority.

The islanders don't have to serve in Finnish army. That makes them all gay.

[ikurinturbiini]

Where the hell did the edit button go? [edit: it's back]

The map:
http://www.komhem.nu/images/karta_norden2.gif

The flag:
http://www.komhem.nu/images/flaggor.jpg

The stamp:
http://www.aland-museum.aland.fi/europa/images/06.jpg

An islander who's obviously gay:
http://www.goaland.net/gallery/Logot/Muut/01051415214364.gif

[Haiw]

More like world peace.
And no future generations. :P p-)

[Viktorin]

LOL @ Åland......... Bunch of fags, forget about them anyways.

[Ichhabe]

Did not forget about Åland either. They doesn't matter.

[Saranof]

How I see it, many (including me) scandinavians like americab culture, technology, stuff like that.
They don't agree with american policys. We're actually doing an election thing in school, which is supposed to be based on the american way of doing it. People are finding it a bit crap, because of the way you can't say "I'm not a christian, so I don't belive that our legal system should entail such things" and so on.
The point being, on the subject of "morality" and such, people here tend to have the "it's their buisness, not ours" mentality.

In short, we don't like the "christian right-wing" stuff.

Otherwsie, scandinavians are pretty much fine with the us.

[Saranof]

For the record, all of us scandinavians choose our sources in media very very carefully, because as Marcus said, nearly all media is biased to the left.

Mediawhores must die.

Well, I find it real strange that it would be, seeing as 90% of all newspapers here are right wing.
"biased to the left"? Oh, you mean, they didn't kneel before Bush when he won the election? Please.
Ever thought that the fact that journalists being "leftist" means something, seeing as they see a lot more of the picture than most of you do? Might it mean that what they say might be correct?

[bloddyaxe]

Scandinavia: Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

The Nordic countries: Denmark, Faeroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden.

You forgot Greenland, Jan Mayen, Spitzbergen and Álandseyjar.

Svalbard man! Get it right, Spitzbergen (Spitsbergen) is so Englishy in a way. :P


:hug:


Actually it can be argued that Jan Mayen is Svalbarði, or at least the island that was originally called that "in the days of yore." However, you Norwegians decided to call that arctic wasteland also known as Spitsbergen, Svalbard. Better name than Jan Mayen at least. But then Jan Mayen is a funny name. But then there are more betterer names for Jan Mayen, like perhaps the "Island of a couple of crazy scientists who have been there for a century and are not complaining even if there is so much fog they cant see their toes." That, however, is probably too long name.

btw I think "spitzbergen" is originally netherlandese word!

[Hullebullen]

http://img80.exs.cx/img80/5760/rather.jpg
"This is Dan Rather. Tonight's top story; the Swedish Chef speaks out on scandinavian anti-americanism..."

"So what is it about you scandinavians and your anti-americanism?"

http://img80.exs.cx/img80/3861/chef1.jpg
"Hoole muull rä enne. Sool bee holle bolle. Menne ballo heim e dongobop."

"Thank you that was both interesting and enlightening. This is Dan Rather for CBS. Good night."

[Thor]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?


What you've probably seen is that a few forum members from Finland are very actively campaigning against the US. These guys I believe often use several different identities. Many times there writings are almost identical and they all seem to like to use the photo of the former finnish president Kekkonen (rather pro-soviet).

Scandinavia I would say is very anglofied in all sorts of ways. And when it comes to military the military guys are basically all very much to the right (as me).

When you think about it's strange that 2-4 members on a forum could change the image of an entire region.

[Haiw]

The Scandinavians are just pissed because they don't have militaries. ;)

[Thor]

For the record, all of us scandinavians choose our sources in media very very carefully, because as Marcus said, nearly all media is biased to the left.

Mediawhores must die.

Well, I find it real strange that it would be, seeing as 90% of all newspapers here are right wing.
"biased to the left"? Oh, you mean, they didn't kneel before Bush when he won the election? Please.
Papers in Sweden being right wing? Huh, your mum must have dropped you once to many or something.

Practically all media in Sweden is biased to the left. The owners are left, the journalists are left (70 percent left and 10 procent right according to an official survery). The goverment controls all major broadcasting. The same left wing government that during the eighties wanted to do as the Mullas in Iran and prohibit the use of satellite dishes! Only state controlled tv was to be allowed. DDR ended many years ago but Sweden in many ways still is a DDR-light.


Ever thought that the fact that journalists being "leftist" means something, seeing as they see a lot more of the picture than most of you do? Might it mean that what they say might be correct?
You mean as in the Soviet Union? There too all journalists were left wing nuts. Ever thought about the fact that the people voting for leftist parties have the lowest degree of education and training?

The main reason why there are so many left wing journalists is because that during the 1970's there was a great wave of left wing nuts going to journalist training. By time they went old and more moderate. But now they're bosses and only recruit new journalists with the same basic believes as themselves.

[b.scheller]

Greenland isn't Scandinavian because its populated by Inuit's and Danes. ;)

[Viktorin]

Greenland isn't Scandinavian because its populated by Inuit's and Danes. ;)

Greenland just sucks, with its funky language. (Not Danish)

[Truthsayer]

Practically all media in Sweden is biased to the left. The owners are left, the journalists are left (70 percent left and 10 procent right according to an official survery). The goverment controls all major broadcasting.

The communists complain about the media for being right-wing, the nazists complain about the media for being left-wing. It's an neverending flame-war going on in political forums every day. How you complain about the media being 'bias' is a good mirror about your own views.

Calling our biggest morning paper (Dagens Nyheter) left is ignorant (it's liberal). The second largets (Svenska Dagbladet) is right. The evening-papers is (Aftonbladet) mid-left and (Expressen) mid-right, but they have the whole "The Sun"-tabloid-issue to deal with, so I wouldn't call the newspapers. Glorified gossip-papers perhaps.

I read DN and SvD and vote right btw.



The point of this topic is...beyond me.

I started posting in this forum since a handfull of morons where posting real flaming posts about my country without no reason whatsoever. Mr Jerk-off had his general rant (for some odd reason) and handfull of jews and americans where bashing our country as a full since jews where upset with an artwork by another jew - and apperantly feelt that freedom of speech was a bad thing.

99% of the Swedish population didn't know the artwork existed before the incident, and yet we somehow get blamed for it. Go figure.

And you are asking why some posters might be anti-?

[Stavka]

For the record, all of us scandinavians choose our sources in media very very carefully, because as Marcus said, nearly all media is biased to the left.

Mediawhores must die.

Well, I find it real strange that it would be, seeing as 90% of all newspapers here are right wing.
"biased to the left"? Oh, you mean, they didn't kneel before Bush when he won the election? Please.
Ever thought that the fact that journalists being "leftist" means something, seeing as they see a lot more of the picture than most of you do? Might it mean that what they say might be correct?

In my analogy, I refer to the media I access here in stockholm. This would be SvD, DN, AB, Exp and the news on tv. The only newspaper even remotely to the right (from my p.o.v. anyway) is SvD.
Didn't kneel down before Bush? Would any media here in Sweden? Dont think so. Would I? Nope. Rant elsewhere.

[bloddyaxe]

Greenland isn't Scandinavian because its populated by Inuit's and Danes. ;)

It is certainly not on the scandinavian peninsula, but it is still a member of the Nordic council.

[DE_Six]

Many times there writings are almost identical and they all seem to like to use the photo of the former finnish president Kekkonen (rather pro-soviet).


So that's who this bald guy is...I was wondering.

Did a little research on him...president from 1956 to 1982? WTF? :|

Was he that good or do you guys just can't be bothered with elections? ;)

[ikurinturbiini]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?


What you've probably seen is that a few forum members from Finland are very actively campaigning against the US. These guys I believe often use several different identities. Many times there writings are almost identical and they all seem to like to use the photo of the former finnish president Kekkonen (rather pro-soviet).

Scandinavia I would say is very anglofied in all sorts of ways. And when it comes to military the military guys are basically all very much to the right (as me).

When you think about it's strange that 2-4 members on a forum could change the image of an entire region.

We do our best.

[Viktorin]

Greenland isn't Scandinavian because its populated by Inuit's and Danes. ;)

It is certainly not on the scandinavian peninsula, but it is still a member of the Nordic council.

Only because fags danes force their stupid language on those poor Inuits.

[bloddyaxe]

Greenland isn't Scandinavian because its populated by Inuit's and Danes. ;)

It is certainly not on the scandinavian peninsula, but it is still a member of the Nordic council.

Only because fags danes force their stupid language on those poor Inuits.

They have also gave them alchohol, which means that they are in drunken stupor most of the time. And sweets, which meens their teeth are falling apart.

But I still think they love the Danes, mostly perhaps they are the only country in the world where whole towns can party for weeks without it affecting their livelyhood*. (except when they finish all the alchohol which had been delivered for winter and they can't get any more until next summer.)


*=free money from danmark...

[radon]

Many times there writings are almost identical and they all seem to like to use the photo of the former finnish president Kekkonen (rather pro-soviet).


So that's who this bald guy is...I was wondering.

Did a little research on him...president from 1956 to 1982? WTF? :|

Was he that good or do you guys just can't be bothered with elections? ;)

Kekkonen was before my time and this is only my opinion and understanding. And of course totally biased. :P

After independence there was discussion about getting a King or democracy. First the option was getting a Kingdom. A prince from Hessen Friedrich Karl was chosen for the job , as a price for getting help from the German Empire in the Finnish Civil war. Germans helped white side. But then Germany lost the war and entente made Friedrich Karl forgot his plans being king of Finland. As a compromise result of this the President had very many powers in Finland. Kekkonen liked to use them later. ;)
The era of Kekkonen caused a few political reforms.
From Wikipedia.

* The terms of president were limited to two
* Presidents role in cabinet building was restricted
* President is elected directly, not by an electoral college
* President may no longer dissolve the Parliament without the support of the Prime Minister
* Prime minister's role in shaping Finland's foreing policy was enhanced


Kekkonen was in 1917 on the white side. And after long in very right wing politics. He did turn more moderate in the 30s. But his appeasent began after ww2 with the cold war. Maybe he saw a chance to be President? Maybe he saw that as a necessity of the cold war in keeping Finland from becoming another East Germany ? Kekkonen was not a halfsecret communist . Kekkonen was in the agrarian party. He hindered the conservative side getting power despite good election results. He was very careful only to favour people friendly to him. Later in the end there were rumours he was getting demented and was being manipulated by his advisors. He resigned and died later .

DE6 . Many people did vote for Kekkonen , especially after him being so long in power. He was very often chosen by vote without any bs. Think one Bush and 4 Naders running for President. But no Kekkonen style would be a big no today. The presidential time in Finland is six years. Once the time of Kekkonen was made longer 4 more years with a special war. He used the fear Mosocow in being power, propably in co-operation with Moscow. Elect me or those Russians will threaten to start a war.

Later a Professor made accusations that Russians had bought a few socialdemocratic (betray also their own party!!) members of the electoral college to get Kekkonen in power in the close election in 1956. This was not the practice always, and was a sad exception. Who knows if Kekkonen knew if it was true .Kekkonen knowingly did not need to this later. I think the members of Electoral college had the right to vote anyone they want. So if this was true in 1956 it was only moral corruption. I think Kekkonen was a monster of the cold war.



Och Viktorin jag vill knulla dig.

[ikurinturbiini]

Och Viktorin jag vill knulla dig.

Bättre en rövare i Polen än en polare i röven.

[Haiw]

Och Viktorin jag vill knulla dig.

Bättre en rövare i Polen än en polare i röven.
Second line in English please? :P

[Stavka]

Och Viktorin jag vill knulla dig.

Bättre en rövare i Polen än en polare i röven.
Second line in English please? :P

The humour would be lost in translation.

[Haiw]

Try me... I'm not a humorless yank. ;)

[ikurinturbiini]

Try me... I'm not a humorless yank. ;)

It's a Scandinavian Tom of Finland thing. You wouldn't understand.

Actually it's a rhyme, a couplet where you change the places of the first sentences in some words. This one means roughly

"Better a robber in Poland than a buddy up your ass." :oops:

Well, you asked.

[usa320]

reeking jingoism, unabashed xenophobic intolerance as well as the ignorance of what's humane behaviour exhibited by posters like usa320 and Mobster is appalling


Id rather be a jingoistic summa bitch who roots for the good guys than a "tolerant", "peaceful" and "humane" terrorist supporting scum bag who cant help but play devils advocate anyday.

Since when was rooting for the good guys the wrong thing to do. This world is fukced.

:|

[Phil642]

reeking jingoism, unabashed xenophobic intolerance as well as the ignorance of what's humane behaviour exhibited by posters like usa320 and Mobster is appalling

Yes those guys are strange, i was thinking that this kind of behaviour didn't exist no more (since a very very long time) but unfortunately there are still some dinosaurs.

But usa320 is not a completely bad guy, he still has a very little spark of humanity that mobster definitively has not. :|

[mack pl]

"Better a robber in Poland than a buddy up your ass." :oops:



heh, Im sure it sounds better in Finnish :lol:

[FDF_Hemppis]

"Better a robber in Poland than a buddy up your ass." :oops:



heh, Im sure it sounds better in Finnish :lol:

Especially when it was written in Swedish p-)

[DE_Six]

Hm, thanks for the briefing, radon! :)

[Viktorin]

Many times there writings are almost identical and they all seem to like to use the photo of the former finnish president Kekkonen (rather pro-soviet).


So that's who this bald guy is...I was wondering.

Did a little research on him...president from 1956 to 1982? WTF? :|

Was he that good or do you guys just can't be bothered with elections? ;)

Kekkonen was before my time and this is only my opinion and understanding. And of course totally biased. :P

After independence there was discussion about getting a King or democracy. First the option was getting a Kingdom. A prince from Hessen Friedrich Karl was chosen for the job , as a price for getting help from the German Empire in the Finnish Civil war. Germans helped white side. But then Germany lost the war and entente made Friedrich Karl forgot his plans being king of Finland. As a compromise result of this the President had very many powers in Finland. Kekkonen liked to use them later. ;)
The era of Kekkonen caused a few political reforms.
From Wikipedia.

* The terms of president were limited to two
* Presidents role in cabinet building was restricted
* President is elected directly, not by an electoral college
* President may no longer dissolve the Parliament without the support of the Prime Minister
* Prime minister's role in shaping Finland's foreing policy was enhanced


Kekkonen was in 1917 on the white side. And after long in very right wing politics. He did turn more moderate in the 30s. But his appeasent began after ww2 with the cold war. Maybe he saw a chance to be President? Maybe he saw that as a necessity of the cold war in keeping Finland from becoming another East Germany ? Kekkonen was not a halfsecret communist . Kekkonen was in the agrarian party. He hindered the conservative side getting power despite good election results. He was very careful only to favour people friendly to him. Later in the end there were rumours he was getting demented and was being manipulated by his advisors. He resigned and died later .

DE6 . Many people did vote for Kekkonen , especially after him being so long in power. He was very often chosen by vote without any bs. Think one Bush and 4 Naders running for President. But no Kekkonen style would be a big no today. The presidential time in Finland is six years. Once the time of Kekkonen was made longer 4 more years with a special war. He used the fear Mosocow in being power, propably in co-operation with Moscow. Elect me or those Russians will threaten to start a war.

Later a Professor made accusations that Russians had bought a few socialdemocratic (betray also their own party!!) members of the electoral college to get Kekkonen in power in the close election in 1956. This was not the practice always, and was a sad exception. Who knows if Kekkonen knew if it was true .Kekkonen knowingly did not need to this later. I think the members of Electoral college had the right to vote anyone they want. So if this was true in 1956 it was only moral corruption. I think Kekkonen was a monster of the cold war.



Och Viktorin jag vill knulla dig.

^^^^^^ You are quite scary. rofl

[mack pl]

"Better a robber in Poland than a buddy up your ass." :oops:



heh, Im sure it sounds better in Finnish :lol:

Especially when it was written in Swedish p-)

LOL, Im sure you dont see difference between Polish and Czech ;)

:lol:

[bloddyaxe]

"Better a robber in Poland than a buddy up your ass." :oops:



heh, Im sure it sounds better in Finnish :lol:

Especially when it was written in Swedish p-)

LOL, Im sure you dont see difference between Polish and Czech ;)

:lol:

Except that swedish and finish aren't related, better comparison would be polish and hungarian.

[mack pl]

"Better a robber in Poland than a buddy up your ass." :oops:



heh, Im sure it sounds better in Finnish :lol:

Especially when it was written in Swedish p-)

LOL, Im sure you dont see difference between Polish and Czech ;)

:lol:



Except that swedish and finish aren't related, better comparison would be polish and hungarian.

ohh boy, anyway this joke sound better in Swedish than in English ;)

[Haiw]

Actually it was funny, especially if you already understood half of it in Swedish! :lol:

[OldRecon]

My personal reason for participating on this forum is mostly connected to interest for military history, and military videos, though I guess my first posting here must have been some comment on the idea of invading Iraq.
As for my postings here in relation to the idea of invading Iraq, as well as the actual execution of that idea, what I write in here is naturaly strongly flavoured by my impressions of the Middle East from previous service in Lebanon with UNIFIL. And those impressions tell me that the "Iraqi adventure" is an impractical dumbphuck sceme bordering on the irresponsible, thus I don't hesitate to say so.

[Claymore]

As for ****e-stirring, it usually starts as a response to blind, appalling patriotism, glorifying of killing, rejoicing of death, and utter lack of wider perspective into conflicts.

Somehow I feel many wannabees here have no respect for weapons, nor any knowledge of military, apart from romantizised patriotism, movies and video-games. All this plus a false feeling of superiority physically, mentally, culturally and in terms of religion sometimes tend to irritate a bit.




I believe most "Anti American" people are merely questioning the US foreign policy, which isn't always very "subtle"... "either you're with us, or you're against us" :|


You two said just what I think.

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Rammstein - Amerika

[twominds]

Coming from a norwegian that has lived in the states for four years, including experincing 9/11, I have to say that many Norwegians are firstly suffering under a media that has been in this case relatively one sided in their coverage. Secondly, I think people in europe in general underestimate how profoundly that day lives in the american counciousness and influences their views on this issue. That being said, I still oppose the decision to go to war. THis is based on a number of reasons. Firstly I do believe it was a unilateral decision that not only undermined the international law regime to the point of ridicule, secondly that choosing that strategy to deal with what I will be the first to achnowledge was a problem,although not necessarily as threatening as Bush claimed, has seriously undermined the legitimacy and efficiency of the operation. Thirdly, it is clear to everyone at this point that Iraq has serious and deep internal divisions that makes the creation of a democratic state profoundly more complex and difficult than assumed by the Bush administration prior to the war. I do not think anyone has a problem with the troops that are there, more the mission and those who sendt them there. This does off course not go for those committing autrocities and violations. Unfortunately, many of them, especially reservists and regular army soldiers, were not adequately prepared and trained to respond correctly in those kind of situations. A reservist from a one street little town in the mid west with little education to speak of, clearly needs to be extensively trained and educated about cultures and international law before they are even remotely prepared to deal with such a complex conflict under such scrutiny so far away from home.
I am sad to say that I believe the US and their allies forces will have to prepare for a rather long stay in Iraq. It will years, if not decades to sow the country together as a whole, creating iraqi`s rather than kurds, sunni`s and shiite`s.. and that is not a job US Army soldiers are trained nor well suited for. Just trying to give a balanced and well founded scandinavian view.

[Dalleer]

Och Viktorin jag vill knulla dig.

Oh my god.

That was so direct , that even I understood it.

[Hullebullen]

How come you people dug up this old thread again?...

[Viktorin]

Och Viktorin jag vill knulla dig.

Oh my god.

That was so direct , that even I understood it.

I think everyone saw that. :| *cries*

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Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

[Stavka]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

And let's not forget the letahl combination : Animal *** at IKEA

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Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

And let's not forget the letahl combination : Animal *** at IKEA


exunctly :D

[Hullebullen]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

And let's not forget the letahl combination : Animal *** at IKEA

Stop giving the enemy more ammunition

*Hides my Billy bookshelf and sheep sextoy*

[Stavka]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

And let's not forget the letahl combination : Animal *** at IKEA

Stop giving the enemy more ammunition

*Hides my Billy bookshelf and sheep sextoy*

Hey, everyone knows we do it.

Singalong! "You and me, baby, ain't nothin' but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery channel..."

[Viktorin]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

And let's not forget the letahl combination : Animal *** at IKEA

Stop giving the enemy more ammunition

*Hides my Billy bookshelf and sheep sextoy*

Swedes **** animals more than Norwegians.

*Points and laughs*












Fvcktards. :cantbeli:

[Stavka]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

And let's not forget the letahl combination : Animal *** at IKEA

Stop giving the enemy more ammunition

*Hides my Billy bookshelf and sheep sextoy*

Swedes f*** animals more than Norwegians.

*Points and laughs*

Fvcktards. :cantbeli:

Oh, do shut up. I had a little chat with Santa, and I'm pretty sure there's an alternate reason you wished for that pony.


Dear Santa, you ****ing gay old bitchassed homo******, make sure you get me that pony I was telling you bout, and it better have one massive schlong.

[bloddyaxe]

rofl


Apperantly, here we have one more reason why me ancestors moved from scandinavia to Iceland.... p-)

[Hullebullen]

Why is it that a lot of Scandinavian members are so Anti American and Anti Iraq?

What possess them to come to an American and indeed Patriotic site,and start to be critical of US/MNF operations across the globe?


you forget that they are also renowned masochists

And let's not forget the letahl combination : Animal *** at IKEA

Stop giving the enemy more ammunition

*Hides my Billy bookshelf and sheep sextoy*

Swedes f*** animals more than Norwegians.

*Points and laughs*

Fvcktards. :cantbeli:

Oh, do shut up. I had a little chat with Santa, and I'm pretty sure there's an alternate reason you wished for that pony.


Dear Santa, you f*** gay old bitchassed homo******, make sure you get me that pony I was telling you bout, and it better have one massive schlong.

I talked to Santa as well and he said there would be no christmas presents for Vik, she hasn't been a nice girl this year, he said...