Canadian Military

[Tom.G]

I would like to know what people from other countrys think of the Canadian Military.

[NcDeuce]

Canada has a military?

[Ratamacue]

I think Canada has a very well-trained and professional military that is grossly underfunded and undermanned.

[James]

I would like to know what people from other countrys think of the Canadian Military.

I have a high opinion of them. I have no personal experience with them, but I follow the news and I know a fair amount of history ;) .

[USMarine3521]

Canada has a military?

rofl rofl

i respect them and all that but they just need to upgrade their military. i mean i wouldnt mind fighting alongside the canadians.

[Tom.G]

I think Canada has a very well-trained and professional military that is grossly underfunded and undermanned.

I agree. I think we have something like 60 000 combat soldiers (Including armor, infantry etc...) We really need to upgrade, but like 80% of canadians think we don't need a military. I personnaly think its BS.

[USMarine3521]

[quote=Ratamacue]
I agree. I think we have something like 60 000 combat soldiers (Including armor, infantry etc...) We really need to upgrade, but like 80% of canadians think we don't need a military. I personnaly think its BS.

geez they are hoping somone will fight for them when they get invaded...free-loaders! lol

[BMF]

in afganistan the canadians supported U.S. troops in a number of operations. in fact a canadian sniper team with a McMillan .50 rifle saved the lives of numerous 101st troopers by taking out mortar and machine gun positions in front of the advancing americans, including what turned out to be the longest combat kill in recorded history, 2,340 meters. From my own experience, the canadian military is extremely professional, but the polititians controlling them don't really support the soldiers as they should

drive on

[EvanL]

Were a fighting country, as is any ex-british colony. Hell were a country filled with scots, the most fightinest people in history.
Its just the people in command of the government (liberal frenchies) are pacafists and hate Canada being seen as fighters. Next there gonna try banning hockey probably. good luck

[Seraphim]

I agree. I think we have something like 60 000 combat soldiers (Including armor, infantry etc...) We really need to upgrade, but like 80% of canadians think we don't need a military. I personnaly think its BS.

Canada has 19500 regulars and 15500 reservists in the army.

[hoganshero]

"I agree. I think we have something like 60 000 combat soldiers (Including armor, infantry etc...) We really need to upgrade, but like 80% of canadians think we don't need a military. I personally think its BS."

What's shocking is that we have fewer than 60 000 full time military personel... period. It is closer to 57 000. As UCT wrote we have 19500 reg force soldiers. A single division.

As to the assertion that canadian soldiers are professional. You can be as "professional" as you want but if the money is not in the training budget... Then you don't get trained. As evidenced by what happened when a Sea King helicopter slammed into the deck of the HMCS Iroquois. the operator of the firefighting system did not understand how to operate it and instead turned it on and off repeatedly for 3 min. I don't mean to run down Canaadian soldiers having been one myself. I'm certain that the members of the CF do what they can with poor support and substandard eqpt but gumption and a heart of gold can only take you so far.

What is so heartbreakgin about it all is that this is an issue that we can finally just throw money at and it will solve itself. However that money doesnt' need to be spent on the latest eqpt. It first needs to be spent on changin attitudes.... the publics, the politicians and the soldiers. Canada needs to learn to celebrate its heroes and begin to respect the Military. This will be achieved by exposure of our forces... Parliment shoudl allow the US to award our snipers the silver star(bronze?), Let regular Canadians know about the Medak pocket. Make CBC heritage moments about what happened at Kappyong. And when th epeople understand then they won't simply allow the govt to purchase good eqpt and expand the forces... they will demand it.

[Spine]

I think we have a well trained but undermanned and under-equipped force here. I really wish our military was better funded and more respected by our government as it was in the past.

Part of the problem is that we have a relatively small population, so even if our land-mass is similar to the USA, we only have 1/200th of the people to collect taxes from for funding, and to enlist.

The other part of the problem is that they keep taking money away from our armed forces, instead of giving them more $ or just the same. Since we only fight with a UN mandate though, I guess that works out OK. The last really big war we fought in was Korea.

I think WWI was our armed forces proudest hour.

[dez000]

I think Canada is in a similar situation as Belgium... Well motivated and trained army who desperatly need better equipment and more people... But since most people don't think we need a army it will take a long time before that changes...

Bloody Hippie's :bash:

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

You could say that...maybe if canada felt under threat from other countries we would have a bigger army? or maybe something like 9-11 in canada. I can say myself personally if something like that happened on my home soil I would join...but thats speaking for myself

[RealUltimatePower]

yea hate to burst your bubble but we have more like 9000 reg force infantry soldiers. the regualr army is around 19 500 total.

[NcDeuce]

The British, Australia, and Poland have better militaries.

[Tom.G]

I think we are almost on equal terms with the Aussies.

[Seraphim]

yea hate to burst your bubble but we have more like 9000 reg force infantry soldiers. the regualr army is around 19 500 total.

Can you please clarify your post.
Thanks

[EvanL]

The British, Australia, and Poland have better militaries.

I would say were on Par with the aussies, but we are definately ahead of Poland, even though they have a larger military, theirs is still far behind and havent caught up since the end of the cold war. If they keep going the eway they are going now they will be ahead of us in the next 1o years though.

[Jack Mehoff]

Canada had a good army during WW2. For a small nation they contributed a lot for the war effort, but seem like they drop off a cliff after WW2.

[EvanL]

During WW2 we had 1million people in uniform out of a population of 12million. It was after the Korean war that the government began neglecting its men and women in uniform. And when Trudeau came in, he ****ed it up even more. In the next couple of years we can only hope that the new government will put more into the military. Paul MArtin even though hes a liberal, will want to distance himself from Chretien, and one of the thigns hes planning on doing is to raise defence spending. Its a start, but we are in desperate need of a conservative government.

[seventy6er]

Their armoured troops still use old versions of the Leo1, do they?

[Joshisonfire]

"...desperate need of a conservative government"...ain't gonna happen...gotta "unite the right" first...and even then, maybe they'll win.

[EvanL]

I wasnt reffereing to the conservative party, but the form of conservativisim as a government. The Alliance is a very good chose.

[Joshisonfire]

EvanLloyd, fellow countryman, I agree.


ps. Ièm a bleeding liberal and a reservist....MORE FUNDING PAUL MARTIN.

[RealUltimatePower]

Umm ok I'll clairify, in the Canadian regular army there is only 9000 total infantry soldiers. That is the three infantry regiments in the regular army are the RCR, R22nd and the PPCLI and they total 9000 guys on the ground.

[RealUltimatePower]

Actually Evanloyd I've served witht the Poles and the Aussies and they do surpass us in militaries. They both have larger militaries. And they are as professional as we are however they have something we lack, combat experience. Sure there are a few Cdn military personel who fought in the medac pocket and now in Afghanistan. However the Poles and Aussies have been sending their forces to places for decades and racking up combat experience. Like they both are serving in Iraq right now and in Afghanistan. They also serve in the Balkans with us. And Australia has the added bonus of having served in Vietnam.

Though it all boils down to one thing. Can your forces defend your borders. Ours cannot and their can. Not that there is much of a threat to our border however that is how most people measure the worth of a military.

[EvanL]

Wish Chretien and the damn Liberals could figuire that out.

[TheBenz]

what kind of camo do the canadians use? :roll: ?

[Seraphim]

what kind of camo do the canadians use? :roll: ?

Its called CADPAT

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/080803/IS2003-2574a%20copy.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/080803/IS2003-2575a%20copy.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/080803/IS2003-2573a%20copy.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/072303/IS2003-2531a%20copy.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/073003/IS2003-2551a%20copy.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/073003/IS2003-2552a%20copy.jpg
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9016.jpg
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9018.jpg

[Tom.G]

Some of the guys on the photos have unloaded rifles. Why?

[RealUltimatePower]

Hey that guy in the bottom picture wearing the arid CADPAT is Sgt. Matheson. He's from my unit and I've worked with him on the Clothe the soldier project tests.

AS for unloaded rifles, it's because they are inside the compound. Probably going to lunch or maybe a parade for something. Or perhaps they are about to clean their weapons. it isn't a high alert combat situation so there are many reasons for why you would unload your weapons while in the compound.

[TheBenz]

thanks for the pics, does anyone like the MARPAT design?

[USMarine3521]

thanks for the pics, does anyone like the MARPAT design?

i think its the best pattern around imo

[Skaman]

the pixilated pattern IS likely the best in the world. The Canadians did a great job implementing into the CF. Canada was the first nation to use it, and IMO IS the best looking and functioning uniform in the world!!!

[Ratamacue]

The only issue with CADPAT is that its colors are very limeish-green, which is great for use in Canada/Scandinavia/the like, but not so well suited to most wooded environments.

With that said, CADPAT, MARPAT, and any other digital patterns around are generally the best camouflage to date, no matter how ugly they may look.

[Skaman]

and Im assuming you now this because you have trianed using the cadpat design in the field right???? Its not lime green alos. jeeze :roll:

[Trigger]

This is the part where ducimus18 starts beating his chest and telling everyone about all his real world high speed experience which as you all know cancels out anyone else's opinion on anything even remotely military. :roll:

[Ratamacue]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/allied_canada/c_cdn07.jpg

How is the green on that not bright (aka lime). I never said that CADPAT is bad, nor did I say that the USMC 0wnz Canada or whatever, I just said that CADPAT has brighter colors that are somewhat less versatile than those in MARPAT. That's all. You don't have to be offended.

[seventy6er]

Actually Evanloyd I've served witht the Poles and the Aussies and they do surpass us in militaries. They both have larger militaries. And they are as professional as we are however they have something we lack, combat experience. Sure there are a few Cdn military personel who fought in the medac pocket and now in Afghanistan. However the Poles and Aussies have been sending their forces to places for decades and racking up combat experience.

Don't wanna be ignorant, but tell me in what large-scale conflicts did Polish troops get their combat experience? Please don't give examples where GROM was deployed to act as bodyguards for some UN-officials or sth like that. I mean deployment of regular troops. I wouldn't call the German Army combat-approved only because we've been sending soldiers to Somalia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan and so on. Get my point?

I'm just curious...

[Skaman]

alright then.

[RealUltimatePower]

Yea the uniform just fades and gets to be that colour. As for Polish military combat, they've seen it in mostly the same spots as us in Canada recently. Some firefights in the Balkans, as well as fighting in Afghanistan, now they are serving in Iraq. Probably other ones but I'm a little ignorant myself so I can't say. Perhaps we should ask some poles in here. Though just the fact they can deploy 2200 to Iraq and another few thousand to Boznia, Afghanistan shows they have higher capabilities than us who are overstreched with 1900 in Afghanistan, 1200 in Boznia and an assortment of a few hundred soldiers in the rest of the world.

[Schuster]

Well.. They have a slightly larger population than us, and i believe they use conscription. those could be contributers to the fact that they have higher capabilities than us.

[seventy6er]

Well.. They have a slightly larger population than us,

Poland's population is 30% bigger than Canadas, whereas Canadas military-budget is more than twice as high as Polands. Perhaps that should say sth. about the Polish Armed forces. Without a doubt they have some good soldiers, but it's way too early to compare them to NATO-members. Just cause they have some thousand well-equipped troops in international missions, that doesn't say anything about THE Polish Armed Forces in general...

Link about Poland's Armed Forces (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/jfq_pubs/0925.pdf)

[Deuterium]

I've been on joint operations in Petewawa, ValCartier, and in Germany with Canadian troops. They are on par with units in the US from the guys I saw.

[seventy6er]

Question to you, Deuterium. From other threads/posts, I got the impression you served (still serve) as a special forces grunt. Is that right? If so, may I ask you a question? Perhaps per PM?

[Deuterium]

Yes. Send it....

[RealUltimatePower]

Um not sure what you mean by "comparing them to NATO members," seventy6er, but Poland is a NATO member. Their population is 38 million and Canada's in 33 million. Not gonna try and figure out the percentage but 30% does not sound like the right one.
Not that I'm saying Canadian troops aren't good quality (I'm one of em so?!) but if you compare Poland and Canada and ask the question which of em can defend their borders and their citizens abroad the answer would be Poland.
Canada's forces really need to be built up because any democratic nation must be able to properly defend itself. There just aren't enough troops and there is a lack of certain capabilities in the Canadian Forces. i.e. heavy airlift, completly airborne units, land forces helicopters that aren't ****, just to name a few.
And the excuse that "well Canada doesn't have a large population" is complete bull. Australia has a smaller pop with 28 mil and it maintains a regular army of 27 000 to 28 000 troops. While we have only 19 500.

[seventy6er]

Um not sure what you mean by "comparing them to NATO members," seventy6er, but Poland is a NATO member. Their population is 38 million and Canada's in 33 million. Not gonna try and figure out the percentage but 30% does not sound like the right one.
Not that I'm saying Canadian troops aren't good quality (I'm one of em so?!)

Oops, my fault. I meant "comparing them to other NATO members".
Latest figures about population (what I found on the net) are 31 million for Canada, and 38.9 for Poland, so that's 25,5 % - ok my fault.

Comparing the defense-budget of both countries and relating them to the personnel-strength that would make military-spendings of 385.000$ per soldier in Canada against 24.500$ per soldier in Poland. <-- That's only a statistic - but I think these figures speak for themselves.
Btw, I don't mean to flame the Polish Armed Forces; I'm glad they're in NATO and are our friends.

[Schuster]

Fact is Canada has a left leaning government, That i believe feels the United states should do all the major work that is needed to be done. We could use a bigger military, but no huge, Maybe another Brigade Group and a Re-instated Airborne Special Service Force. But with this we will need new hercs and everything. We could also some heavy sealift vessels.

[Fargin]

An underfunded military can be a good thing, if you don't have to pay for your education or hospital stays.

[Seraphim]

Was wondering are there and 2RCR in A-stan?

[Schuster]

I bet there are a few 2RCR , LAV 3 Crews in afghanistan.

[RealUltimatePower]

Yea probably but I believe it's 3RCR who is the bulk of the force. They've got enough LAV 3's to use in Afghanistan but I dunno why they aren't patroling with them. Seems strange to use them in Eritrea and not in Afghanistan? Then again out Dept of Defence makes alot of strange choices. Unless it is Leslie who made that decision, in which case I'd lose alot of respect for the guy.

[[AFSOC]]

Canada had a good army during WW2. For a small nation they contributed a lot for the war effort, but seem like they drop off a cliff after WW2.

CANADA had one of BIGGEST MILITARY's in tHE WORLD from the 1900 to the 1970's...

It is not a small nation just to let you know.

[[AFSOC]]

I wasnt reffereing to the conservative party, but the form of conservativisim as a government. The Alliance is a very good chose.

Lemme tell you something about the Alliance party, the Alliance party are full red neck hicks of Canada. They full of racist bastards and a stupid leader with a stupid hair cut. The LIBERALS will forver be strong in CAnada and thats just a fact. The mistake of separating the Alliance and the PC will haunt them greatly unless they unite again.

Alliance is tooo right wing, there ideologies are too extreme....therefore they are the wrong choice. Next years election you will see the Liberals on top and the PC number 2, the Alliance is weak and filled with stupidity.

[[AFSOC]]

Fact is Canada has a left leaning government, That i believe feels the United states should do all the major work that is needed to be done. We could use a bigger military, but no huge, Maybe another Brigade Group and a Re-instated Airborne Special Service Force. But with this we will need new hercs and everything. We could also some heavy sealift vessels.

You say you could use a bigger military, but can you say that the people of Canada are willing to defend freedom and all of its glory. Canada is known for its opportunity and its diversity, over the decades many immigrants have come to this great country to settle upon its land. The fact that many immigrants have landed in this country is the reason why the military is small now. Many of these immigrants feel that they are not CANADIAN. You have to think why, people of this country are afraid to say that they are CANADIAN. Canada is too separated, the day Canada will be strong is the day when all CANADIANS UNITE.

The Liberal governement does not feel the USA should do the major work, rather they feel that CAnada should always keep there distant from the USA. As a Canadian I feel it is important that my country does not become the 51st STATE.

One thing...too buddy it wasnt the SSF, the SSF was gone after WWII. It was the AIRBORNE REGIMENT you thinkin about.

[[AFSOC]]

Um not sure what you mean by "comparing them to NATO members," seventy6er, but Poland is a NATO member. Their population is 38 million and Canada's in 33 million. Not gonna try and figure out the percentage but 30% does not sound like the right one.
Not that I'm saying Canadian troops aren't good quality (I'm one of em so?!) but if you compare Poland and Canada and ask the question which of em can defend their borders and their citizens abroad the answer would be Poland.
Canada's forces really need to be built up because any democratic nation must be able to properly defend itself. There just aren't enough troops and there is a lack of certain capabilities in the Canadian Forces. i.e. heavy airlift, completly airborne units, land forces helicopters that aren't ****, just to name a few.
And the excuse that "well Canada doesn't have a large population" is complete bull. Australia has a smaller pop with 28 mil and it maintains a regular army of 27 000 to 28 000 troops. While we have only 19 500.

CAnada can bomb Poland back to the stone age if they wanted. Well just call upon our Commonwealth buddies and the motherland..;)

[Joshisonfire]

Look at what you have done, now the Polish guys are gonna flame ya... :bash:

[Skaman]

this is jeuvenile, dont talk about a poland vs. canada conflict, the notion is outlandsih and is just gonna cause tension and a flame war. I think we all know the answer to this stupid question, yet lets not add this nonsense to a worthwhile forum.

[Schuster]

One thing...too buddy it wasnt the SSF, the SSF was gone after WWII. It was the AIRBORNE REGIMENT you thinkin about.

I was always under the understanding that the Special Service Force was the Unit that Housed the Airborne Regiment, and its armoured troop/Engineers/artillery ect.

[EvanL]

Schuster you are right. Gods Son is wrong. And an idiot for that matter. Hes the type of person that makes Canada a joke in the international view. Take your hippy rhetoric and liberal clap-trap somewhere else, and kiss my red and white canadian arse ya f*ing ponce.
haha. And by the way, last time i checked. Teh Canadian Alliance was the queens loyal opposition. Why do you think the PC and Alliance didnt merge? Because the Alliance has way more members than the PC does, and they didnt want to lose people. :fork:

[[AFSOC]]

Schuster you are right. Gods Son is wrong. And an idiot for that matter. Hes the type of person that makes Canada a joke in the international view. Take your hippy rhetoric and liberal clap-trap somewhere else, and kiss my red and white canadian arse ya f*ing ponce.
haha. And by the way, last time i checked. Teh Canadian Alliance was the queens loyal opposition. Why do you think the PC and Alliance didnt merge? Because the Alliance has way more members than the PC does, and they didnt want to lose people. :fork:

Evanlyold....the ALLIANCE AND PC were once the same party, it was stupid for them to separate. By them separate means less seats for there party in Parliament, think about that for a second.

If your going to bash the Liberal government about governing this country your an igorant ass. I totally agree they should fund the Military more, but are you willing to sacrafice great health care and top notch education?

Im the type that makes CAnada look like a joke?? Dont know where you got that from but your a fool. You calling me a hippy dont make any sense at all from what i've said before.

One more thing idiot, I dont kno why you dissing the Liberal government seeing how they've basically shaped this country for the past century....hmmmmm lets seee led Canada thourgh both World Wars....created the Peacekeeping force of the UN, shaped a country of Diversity....hmm can i say n e more?

Your belief in think the Alliance can provide Canada for its needs is foolish....wake up they're filled with RACIST ideologies and extreme right wing crap....

[Schuster]

The Alliance would be a good party if they toned down the religious ****.

[[AFSOC]]

One thing...too buddy it wasnt the SSF, the SSF was gone after WWII. It was the AIRBORNE REGIMENT you thinkin about.

I was always under the understanding that the Special Service Force was the Unit that Housed the Airborne Regiment, and its armoured troop/Engineers/artillery ect.

Oh...my baddddd, i was thinking about the 1SSF "Devils Brigade"....you right

[[AFSOC]]

The Alliance would be a good party if they toned down the religious ****.

If the Alliance and PC came back together i'd have no problem with that, the Alliance is way too extreme. PC i can stand but the only beef i have with that party is that they dont care much about the middle class and poor. They privatize everything and CREATED GST!! bastards...

lol

[Joshisonfire]

What was that thing that Stockwell Day said about the age of the Earth? It's been awhile so I can't remembered what he said, but damn it was the funniest thing.

[Schuster]

He Said Dinosaurs and men walked the earth toghether :bash: .. But hes not very important anymore.

Oh and yeah.. He said something about the earth being like.. 2000 or 20000 years old.

[EvanL]

I dont remember saying how im for the Alliance. Im a PC guy.
You are right though, the alliance would be a better party if they werent so religiously oriented.

[Seraphim]

He Said Dinosaurs and men walked the earth toghether :bash: .. But hes not very important anymore.

Oh and yeah.. He said something about the earth being like.. 2000 or 20000 years old.


Ya in my law class we had a discussion about that. Apparently there were these foot prints of humans next to dinosaurs and these paleontologists destroyed them with a crowbar. Its just basicly hard core christain stuff.

[RealUltimatePower]

Religion BLOWS :fork:

[Brandon]

So, we have a population of about 33 million, but I would be surprised if 5 million people would be willing to fight for our country. Apart from immigrants, our fair land is filled with peace-loving tree-huggers that have no intrest in taking up arms for the country or the good of the world. Its pretty sad. They feel that if they are safe here in Canada, thats all that matters. Thats the majority of people that I talked to anyways.... dont wanna stereotype everyone.

Ive shot with a few of the guys from CFB Petawawa, and Im proud just to say that I know them, let alone being able to serve with them in the near future. Its all a matter of wanting to serve your country, and if the gov't asked for all healthy men to sign up to fight, she'd be a short line and youd see a lot of people runnin, around here anyways....sickening.

[EvanL]

Amen to that Brandon. You hit the nail right on the head.Very well said. A+ presentation.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

I personally would feel obligated to take up arms if canada was attacked. I doubt many people who recently moved here or are from other countries would. My grandpa was an american (he didnt like it so much) he fought along with the canadians in korea..said they were some of the most respectable soldiers on earth. We as canadians should feel an obligation to server are country when needed, I know if sept 11 happened on canadian soil I'd probably be in afghanistan somewere right now.

[Andyman]

Check out this site.

www.ploughshares.ca/CONTENT/WORKING%20PAPERS/wp031.pdf

It shows lots of info on how Canada compares to the other members in NATO. We are in the top 20% but definately not up to par. Canada spends only 1% of our GDP on military budget wheras the NATO standard is 2.5%. Canada definately needs to up the bar. Another thing about that lime uniform. I started my BMQ last week and some of the MCPL's had uniforms that did not seem to match the other MCPL's. Almost as though they were completely different shades of green. Even one guy had pants that were definately not the same colour as his shirt. I found that kinda weird. Anyone know why it would be like that.

[EvanL]

Colours fade me boy. p-)

[RealUltimatePower]

Gov't contracts different companies to make the uniform, and the materials aren't always the same. So even if they are bran new they could be very different colours.

You shoulda seen my graduation parade, each platoon looked like a multicoloured log of crap.

Though once they fade it's all good.

Oh by the way barvo Brandon, exactly my sentiment. Canadians pretend to care what goes on in the world but in reality the majority of us are ignorant assholes who couldn't give two ****s about some oppressed North Korean half a world away. I don't think I'll ever comprehend why those people don't feel the need to help those less fortunate than us. But one thing is for sure pot has something to do with it!

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

hey man dont blame my pot :lol:
Yea I do agree that some canadians dont really give a **** about countries half the world away. Mostly because are armed forces cant really afford a deployment . Lets use afghanistan for example. We had to borrow batteries for are aircraft because we didnt have any for are fighter jets...
The fact is unfortuneatly we are very underfunded. Lets say for example canada did deploy troops to iraq. Our forces would be absolutely swamped, we cant compete with the logistics and funding that the american army has. We'd be more then happy to help sometimes..but we just cant afford it :|

[Andyman]

i was just at DENISON armoury today from 0830 to 1330 getting all my equipment for BMQ. It is quite a lot of stuff. Boots 2 pair, shirts 3 pair, pants 3 pair, t-shirts 3 pair, socks 3 pair, combat hat, helmet, toque, blah blah blah. I am quite excited now that I actually have some of the equipment even though it is the old CAMO. But it was funny cause 2 MCPL's from the Queens Own (my regiment) came and they were making sure that we got good stuff and that we had everything cause trust me you would be told that you had all the equipment but upon further investigation would find some key items missing. My Beret is way to small though and it looks rediculous. I dont know how I'm gonna get a new one.

[EvanL]

Bastard child, did it ever occur to you that for someone who is looking to go into the military, you openly discuss your use of pot on the WWW? If for ever any reason you had to go through secuity clearance and they decided to check up more on you this could come up and pose a problem for you. I suggest you delete any posts wioth references to your pot use in them. DOnt let this kill the thread, if you have any ting to say PM me.

[RealUltimatePower]

Ok for one there weren't at any time Canadian Fighter jets in Afghanistan. So I don't quite get what you are talking about. BTW it's OUR not are.

Granted though the military is underfunded and undermanned. AS I said it is. But you have to ask why our forces are in such dire straights. THe liberal government is why. They downsized the military and shut down whole units (Airborne Reg) and slashed funding. Not only Chretien did this but so did Trudeau.

If Canadians in general cared about the state of the world we could have a good military. Look at Australia, they have a smaller population than us with 28 million and they have a larger armed forces and were able to fight in Iraq.

My point about the pot thing is that any of my friends or people I've met who smoke pot have either no care about anything outside of their own little worlds, or are so confussed and pasifist that it is sad. The stuff messes with your brain so that's why I draw the parallel between that and the laziness of Canadian society.

[RealUltimatePower]

Oh yea and Evanloyd it's sad to say but the pot thing bastardchild has said wouldn't effect his getting into the military. My friend is joining my unit and he told the recruiter that he smoked it three months ago. Their policy is six months clean so he will get in in three months from now.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ya the government did really **** up the army nicely. Didnt they disband the airborne because cbc go ahold of some hazing videos were the soldiers were being puked n pissed on and dressed up as girls :lol:
well thats what they used to justify it. I do smoke for medical reasons (my stomach), although it does make you lets say "more open minded". The problem is they slowly slashed the military until we had nothing left then a light peacekeeping force. Most of this was done while most canadians had the wool over the eyes worrying about other problems.
Now we have a skeleton force of what we did have...

[[AFSOC]]

You cant just say the government fuked up the Military. Its also the people of Canada. The people of Canada feel that there is no need for a military in this Country. People arent willing to sacrafice good health care, educataion etc.

Are you?

[Brandon]

Do you guys think that if people were lining up to join the military that the Canadian gov't would drop some more cash on it?

I just think people in Canada have gotten WAY too comfortable with their lifestyle and are too selfish to want to help others out. Not everyone of course, but ya know......

[simple jumper]

I'm not big on politic but I dound this on the net and i liked it...seeing the Canadian Airborne Regiment was a big symbol for al lthe CFs. the cdn alliance wants to bring it back!!! :D
link: http://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/index-details.asp?ID=2074

[Swimmer2004]

My dad was in the Canadian Army, RCR's specifically. I have a cousin who is now in Bosnia with PPLI. I was just in the wintery north this past week and saw a clip on the news about wives of PPLI buying their husbands aftermarket handheld GPS systems. I think that largely, Canadian Citizens have been indifferent to the world situation in the last however many years. On a large scale they are also not as patriotic as some other countries have known to be. All I know is that I am glad I was born in the United States. My humble opinions.

Lee

[[AFSOC]]

I'm not big on politic but I dound this on the net and i liked it...seeing the Canadian Airborne Regiment was a big symbol for al lthe CFs. the cdn alliance wants to bring it back!!! :D
link: http://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/index-details.asp?ID=2074

Just because they want to bring back the AIRBORNE doesnt mean there a good party my friend.

[[AFSOC]]

My dad was in the Canadian Army, RCR's specifically. I have a cousin who is now in Bosnia with PPLI. I was just in the wintery north this past week and saw a clip on the news about wives of PPLI buying their husbands aftermarket handheld GPS systems. I think that largely, Canadian Citizens have been indifferent to the world situation in the last however many years. On a large scale they are also not as patriotic as some other countries have known to be. All I know is that I am glad I was born in the United States. My humble opinions.

Lee

You have to realize many CAnadians today are immigrants, so they have no feel of patriotism to Canada cause they feel its not there country. Back in the day the majority of CAnada was British and it was all about "King and Country". You understand m8?

Canada today is too separated thats the problem....in my opinion, Canada will only be strong until the people Unite.

[RealUltimatePower]

WEll I for one am willing to trade in my Canadian citizenship for a British one. I'm fed up with the lazy populace here.

[wholagun]

You have to realize many CAnadians today are immigrants, so they have no feel of patriotism to Canada cause they feel its not there country I am a Polish born Canadian, I know of many ppl including myself that feel more loyal to Canada then to thier native country, all my immigrant friends feel this way. God forbid war ever break out between Poland and Canada I know what side I'd be on (Give me a C8 and a sexy CADPART uniform and off I'll go) p-)



WEll I for one am willing to trade in my Canadian citizenship for a British one. I'm fed up with the lazy populace here. I hope your not talking about the immigrants in Canada, cause they are some of the hardest working ppl in this country. Take the example of universities all accross Canada bulk of our science students are immigrants.


WEll I for one am willing to trade in my Canadian citizenship for a British one You wanna talk about lazy, Europeans have more time off and work less on average then ppl in North America ;) You want to trade your Canadian Citizenship for a British one :bash: Let's hope that Britain will want ppl as unloyal as you.

Also, it's interesting to note that Canada the land of the immigrants is the only economy in the G7-8 that has a surplus yet again... hhmmm interesting how that one works eh.. p-)

[[AFSOC]]

I am a Polish born Canadian, I know of many ppl including myself that feel more loyal to Canada then to thier native country, all my immigrant friends feel this way. God forbid war ever break out between Poland and Canada I know what side I'd be on (Give me a C8 and a sexy CADPART uniform and off I'll go) p-)

Your talking about yourself though, you think that them indians and pakistani's, saudi's etc. Feel that this is there country? Half of them come here stinkin rich, and dont even bother to contribute to Canada.

dude first all, your not an immigrant...your A CANADIAN plain and simple. Just like me i have a filopino background but im a born CANADIAN and i have no probelm with saying that. Many immigrants and many french....people in Canada dont feel that they are Canadian. Like i said canada is too separated.

You gotta realize that today Canada has become more.....independant in ways. Back in the old days it was all about helping the mother land(Great Britain) and to defend the King/Queen. Ever since the Constituation has be repatriated we have separated most of our ties with Britain.

Honestly to all my fellow Canadians, can you tell me what it is to be a CANADIAN? What does it mean? What is the Canadian Dream?

CAn you honeslty tell me that?

CAnada is such a young country, this country needs to grow and develop[/quote]

[EvanL]

Im still for fighting for queen and country. I for one would never agree to severing our royal ties.

[wholagun]

Honestly to all my fellow Canadians, can you tell me what it is to be a CANADIAN? Dude, you can do an entire PHD thesis on this question. There is no way i can attempt to even try and define (MY) idea of what it is to be Canadian in 5 lines, notice how I said (MY) meaning everyone has their own idea of what Canadian means. I agree we are still young.


CAn you honeslty tell me that? honestly I can't,


Im still for fighting for queen and country. I for one would never agree to severing our royal ties Get real, are you serious. Don't get me wrong Im happy to have the Queen as a figure head, but to fight for the Queen please get real (I ain't saying for Queen and Country and taken a bullet). Im willing to help Britain out during a war NO question about that, but to fight and die for the Queen ,,,ah uh.

[EvanL]

What are our values based on? British values. What is the heritage of more than half of this country? British. Why not keep to tradition?
Its not like were being oppressed under the Queen.

[[AFSOC]]

What are our values based on? British values. What is the heritage of more than half of this country? British. Why not keep to tradition?
Its not like were being oppressed under the Queen.

Evanlloyd the fact that half the country is from British decent dont mean we maintain british values. That totally contridicts the fact of Canada being a DIVERSE NATION.

CANADA needs to discover itself, and have CANADIAN TRADITIOn. NOT ENGLISH, NOT FRENCH. CANADIAN.

As a proud Canadian my VALUES ARE NOT BASED on BRITAIN. Thats foolish.

This country needs to stop being a follower and needs to begin to be a LEADER. Maybe during the 50's this country began to take shape.......but now i dont even know.

[EvanL]

And leave it to a bunch of frenchmen to run our country? :bash:

[[AFSOC]]

um.....

What....?

[wholagun]

Gods SoN, I believe you summed up what the majority of Canadians think and feel.

[burnt by the sun]

with things like they are they really need to focus on building a strong military. i just hope they just expect the UK and US to handle things for them in the future.

[marktigger]

yes but British values are so out of step with touchy feeley tree hugging liberal/social democratic/new labour types who run canada and most of europe. In the UK British values are being undermined the armed forces are being overwhelmed by the PC lobby. We have to recruit from Fiji and other commonwealth countries because it makes up for the fact that many of our youth aren't interested in the military or just aren't suitable. The commonwealth also helps to increase ethnic minority representation and keeps the pC lobby quiet but are we going to have a problem later if we have to internvene in Fiji or Zimbabwe?

[Brandon]

Ive always heard of Canada being described as "multi-cultural".... Isnt that special.... :roll: Even as a kid that term pissed me off. How bout in Canada, we have a CANADIAN culture. Theres an idea. What that is exactly, I dont know. For a start we should be proud to be Canadian, and thats kinda hard when half the population is hiding under bed-sheets and turbans.

Canadian culture.... where to start???

[marktigger]

the mounties are a canadian with an excellent image and core values how about that?

[Brandon]

the mounties are a canadian with an excellent image and core values how about that?


Thats what I thought too.....for about 3 seconds.

http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=L&ImageID=88942

[[AFSOC]]

Ive always heard of Canada being described as "multi-cultural".... Isnt that special.... :roll: Even as a kid that term pissed me off. How bout in Canada, we have a CANADIAN culture. Theres an idea. What that is exactly, I dont know. For a start we should be proud to be Canadian, and thats kinda hard when half the population is hiding under bed-sheets and turbans.

Canadian culture.... where to start???

dude...there's nothing wrong with saying Canada is multi cultural cause its the truth. That is also a great thing about this country....you cant say CANADIAN CULTURE....cuz like i said...WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE CANADIAN.

Just read what i wrote dude...

[Ratamacue]

Canada and the United States are probably the two most multi-cultural countries on Earth, and that's something to be very proud of.

[Skaman]

Canada and the United States are probably the two most multi-cultural countries on Earth, and that's something to be very proud of.

indeed it is. The amazing thing is we manage to pull it off without killing eachother in an ethnic civil war. Like who would have thought the former yugoslavia would end up a hot spot of Europe and Ethnic tension. They coexsisted for years without killing eachother, despite the tension.

I love how I can walk to my local campus and see and equal distribution of asians, europeons, white-canadians, middle easteners, native americans. What i never see is African Americans unfortunetely. More centrilized in the east I guess.

[EvanL]

Multiculturalism is good. But look at whats happening out west in BC. All the hindus are buying farms and only hiring hindus to work on them. Running anyone else out of a job. And buying out companies. And you cant do **** cus theyre all organized with crime.

[Schuster]

Multiculturalism is good. But look at whats happening out west in BC. All the hindus are buying farms and only hiring hindus to work on them. Running anyone else out of a job. And buying out companies. And you cant do **** cus theyre all organized with crime.

Actually.. The hindus buy farms with huge houses and move their entire family(cousins, uncles and aunts, grandparents) and thats the way it is.. and i have yet to encounter a hindu or whatever from a real gang, sure there are some rag-tag groups with sawed off winchesters and machetes but i would hardly call that organized crime.

[marktigger]

and the first maybe second generation don't integrate but as we in the UK are finding the 3rd & 4th generation kids alot of them want to be more western. The trick is to keep being Canadian from being hijacked by the extreme right Just like Britishness has been in the UK. And it then becomes more difficult to establish a true culture. Remember canada has long experience of this with the French. The picture of the mountie with a turban does the fact he is seikh change the core values of the RCMP? Does it change the RCMP's history and tradition? Over the last few years I've watched the only Royal constabulary in the UK being destroyed on an altar of Political correctness and appeasment of terrorism . Don't let the RCMP go the same way it has a history canada can be proud of it is a symbol of canada recognised across the world. It does have its core values and if ethnic recruits are joining they surley recogise and identify with thease and it is one of the strongest recruiting points for the RCMP.

[[AFSOC]]

Multiculturalism is good. But look at whats happening out west in BC. All the hindus are buying farms and only hiring hindus to work on them. Running anyone else out of a job. And buying out companies. And you cant do **** cus theyre all organized with crime.

What the hell is wrong with you?? You sound like a damn racist. FIRST OF ALL hinduism is a religion. SECOND OF ALL you say that there hiring only hindus.......honestly who CARES....if u got a beef with it deal with it, show some damn initiative seriously. The white man does this all the time and you have the nerve to critizise what they are doing?

WTF are you talkin about there all organized with crime??? Honestly...stop stereotyping people and grow up.

Dude i respected your post before...but now you just sound like a little white arrogant ass.

[Ratamacue]

What the hell is wrong with you?? You sound like a damn racist.


...but now you just sound like a little white arrogant ass

I agree with you, but anyone else see the irony?

[EvanL]

Multiculturalism is good. But look at whats happening out west in BC. All the hindus are buying farms and only hiring hindus to work on them. Running anyone else out of a job. And buying out companies. And you cant do **** cus theyre all organized with crime.

What the hell is wrong with you?? You sound like a damn racist. FIRST OF ALL hinduism is a religion. SECOND OF ALL you say that there hiring only hindus.......honestly who CARES....if u got a beef with it deal with it, show some damn initiative seriously. The white man does this all the time and you have the nerve to critizise what they are doing?

WTF are you talkin about there all organized with crime??? Honestly...stop stereotyping people and grow up.

Dude i respected your post before...but now you just sound like a little white arrogant ass.

You sound like a typical liberal crying racism at the drop of a hat. First of all if it sounded racist i didnt mean it to be. Second of all i was only stating something that i noticed, nothing that i believed. I was only trying to say that it seems like they are only hiring other east indians to work for them. Because when i was out west that was all i saw. And dont call me a racist man. I may have sounded like it that time, and that was by accident. And my sincere apologies to anybody who read this post and was offended.

[Sabre]

The Canadian Armed Forces seem to be in a similar (but worse) situation to our own in the UK.

They are both chronically underfunded and undermanned. In the UK, they are predominantly mal-funded, with much money being wasted (cough, SA80, cough)

The problem with recruitment is not that the countries are 'too PC' or that the youth are 'disinterested', it's just that they're ****. I would not serve along side the majority of the youth in this country. They are fat, lazy, apothetic, hedonistic and lack a sense of responsibility. Our army is happy attracting the people it does, the main improvement would be in keeping them.

Many young soldiers and officers leave after a few years because overseas commitments are too great. The normal three year operational cycle is often ignored (1 year training, 1 year on ops, 1year 'rest') leading to disillusionment. This is where the main effort in terms of money is needed.

It doesn't help that the MoD is bigger than the army, needing to justify it's existance and cost. Who's going to lose out first? The squaddie of course.

Oh yeah, plus both Canada and the UK have National Health services to provide healthcare that's free on the point of use, unlike the US. If the US had one, their army would be similar to ours or Canada's. But that's their priority.

;)

[marktigger]

agree with some of what you say. I would also say that being a soldier now isn't appealing to young people because they for the most part don't know what the army is about. The time between tours is getting worse espically for support services like medics, loggies, Techs etc the guys and girls who we have invested heavily in. Then you stick them in some of the sh*te accomidation we have and don't pay them either enough or correctly. and then the heirarchy wonder why they walk. Had a chat with an RAF officer from their personell branch and she was horrified about the way our troops pay is delt with. If the RAF can manage their personell Matters so well why can't the army?

[Marxist203]

I hear the majority of what you all have to say about the Canadian Military and the population of the country being "Lazy and Unwilling" now I vote NDP guys...Im planning on Joining the Reserve as soon as I think Im ready, I dont want to go in there unless I know exactly what Im getting into.

I believe the reason people aren't willing to join the Canadian Forces is because for the most part we never see them, no real recruitment drives are in place...except for the occassional television commercial, the other day my friends attended a seminar at Centennial High School put on by the Westies (Royal New Westminster Regiment.) this got them interested, but unfortunately this is the only time we've really seen them more events need to be planned and executed to get the attention of the people. Australia did a great job of this with the whole Special Forces Demonstration they had in Sidney.

...so yeah I think Im ranting so I'll stop

P.S.

Hows it goin' Schuster?

[EvanL]

I hear the majority of what you all have to say about the Canadian Military and the population of the country being "Lazy and Unwilling" now I vote NDP guys...Im planning on Joining the Reserve as soon as I think Im ready, I dont want to go in there unless I know exactly what Im getting into.

I believe the reason people aren't willing to join the Canadian Forces is because for the most part we never see them, no real recruitment drives are in place...except for the occassional television commercial, the other day my friends attended a seminar at Centennial High School put on by the Westies (Royal New Westminster Regiment.) this got them interested, but unfortunately this is the only time we've really seen them more events need to be planned and executed to get the attention of the people. Australia did a great job of this with the whole Special Forces Demonstration they had in Sidney.

...so yeah I think Im ranting so I'll stop

P.S.

Hows it goin' Schuster?

Now coming from a person with a name like Marxist, i doubt you need to inform any of us that you vote NDP. Why dont you join right now? I mean we need the people. But keep your marxist views out of it. Or go join the PLA.

[Marxist203]

Well, my life is pretty busy right now Evan, that and I want to live my life a little before spending the next 2 and a half - 5 years in the CF...also, I need to get in shape, I can barely do 3 chin ups for god sake haha.

Whats wrong with a little Marxism? since when was Sharing and Equality a bad thing Comrade?

[EvanL]

well since equality limits everyone elses abillity to be different, and limits freedom and liberties of every person.

[Marxist203]

yeah...but when Capitalist Equality limits the rights of the Majority then I guess you've failed as well.

The "PC'ness" of society(thanks Lou Dobbs for that one) has really limited us, since when should a minority have more rights than the majority? never...everyone has the same rights, BAM!

Work Quota's are a good example, the Waterfront where Im probably going to be working at for some time has them enforced by the government...they have to hire "x" number of Ethnic minorites, no matter how under qualified they are.

Im a big fan of Equality and Social Responsibility, but not so much a fan of Dictatorship...In essence I believe in the fundamentals of Communism because really, thats what I was taught in Kindergarten.

But yeah...lets not high jack the thread Comrade.

[ArmedPacifist]

/sarcasm I wish I was from a minority group, they get bonus points ya know /sarcasm

[Andyman]

I just finished my BMQ intro to the C7 rifle. In one month I will be firing it on the ranges in Meeford. Oh yeah baby I'm pumped.

[marktigger]

there is alot to be said for equality its is what the military work on everyone enduring the same.
Marxist If you keep thinking about it you may end up never doing it sometimes its more satisfying to complete something when its been that little bit harder or when you have to sacrifice that little bit more.
But as we say in the British army Fill your boots. Even if you try it and don't like it or don't succeed you will always gain something form it.

[marktigger]

Marxism :- social resonponsibility there's a nice phrase I've not heard in a long time. One that should be taught along side Rights.

[RealUltimatePower]

Work quotas have nothing to do with capitalism. That is a policy brought in by a liberal leftist government. In my opinion it's stupid and doesn't solve the problem of making people equal. Though I certainly don't believe that going farther to the left is the answer.

[Spearin]

As a member of the Canadian Army (In the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada - Infantry Reserve Unit from Hamilton, Ontario) I must say that we do very well given the circumstances.

Yes, we do not have very many troops, nor do we have a very large budget either. But what we do have are superiorly trained soldiers, probably THE best camouflage pattern in the world, excellent personal weapons (C7A1, C9, C6), and the Coyote and LAV III.

The various past governments have somewhat screwed us...

Personally, I think that we should bring up the Canadian Airborne Regiment once again and create an Air Assault Brigade (much like the British 16th AA Brigade or US 101st AB). Have 2 Battalions of Paratroopers, 1 Infantry, and the necessary support (Arty, Engineers, etc.). They would be transported by helicopter or dropped by Hercs and be a rapid reaction force. Ideally, even get an aircraft carrier for each coast (yes, we've had them in the past) to use in event for deployment. This would mean helicopters for transport on the carriers as well....

Sorry.. I'm dreaming...

But one of my dreams that will probably come true is going over to the UK and join the A&SH there who are becoming the Infantry battalion of the 16th Air Assault Brigade.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

As a member of the Canadian Army (In the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada - Infantry Reserve Unit from Hamilton, Ontario) I must say that we do very well given the circumstances.

Yes, we do not have very many troops, nor do we have a very large budget either. But what we do have are superiorly trained soldiers, probably THE best camouflage pattern in the world, excellent personal weapons (C7A1, C9, C6), and the Coyote and LAV III.

The various past governments have somewhat screwed us...

Personally, I think that we should bring up the Canadian Airborne Regiment once again and create an Air Assault Brigade (much like the British 16th AA Brigade or US 101st AB). Have 2 Battalions of Paratroopers, 1 Infantry, and the necessary support (Arty, Engineers, etc.). They would be transported by helicopter or dropped by Hercs and be a rapid reaction force. Ideally, even get an aircraft carrier for each coast (yes, we've had them in the past) to use in event for deployment. This would mean helicopters for transport on the carriers as well....

Sorry.. I'm dreaming...

But one of my dreams that will probably come true is going over to the UK and join the A&SH there who are becoming the Infantry battalion of the 16th Air Assault Brigade.

Ya that would be nice....we are definately need an airborne regiment...maybe one day.

[marktigger]

problem with the size of your army can you afford to rerole a brigade to light abn/asslt.

According to the daily telegraph back in july august this year 16 air assualt Bde days could be numbered with the preformance of apache falling far below the 'flying tank' that was invisaged. 16AA may be reroled to airborne and airmobile (i seem to remember we once had 2 brigades who did that) and the air assualt concept scraped.
Canada could not spare the resources to form a dedicated Brigade for airborne/ air mobile role and as you don't have the necessary heavy lift helecopters (as the dutch now have them) or spare support infrastructure it is really academic.
The other thing the Telegraph was hinting at was the reroling of a UK mech bde to light role(reversing the conversion of 23 Air Mobile) But we did that to ease the overstretch in the mech bdes and created overstretch in the light role units. Hmmm Does the UK need to form a 3rd light role brigade to balance its forces methinks yes so we would have 1 armoured div, 1 mech div and 1 light div.

[Guttorm]

So is the canadian military based on people who volounteer or or people drafted?

[Seraphim]

100% volunteers.

[MaCV-SOG]

Paul Martin is taking over the Liberal Party soon, so maybe things will be different with him. He stresses enough to rebuild a greater relationship with our brother of the United States. Cause ever since Bush came in power our friendship has been a lil weak, compared to the past.

If he wants to create a greater friendship this will require us to have more of an effect around the world like we used to have back in teh day. Meaning were gunna need a capable Military that can be deployed whenever. Over the decade throughout the Chrietien administration as Canadians we have kinda isolated ourselves from the World.

In the past with former Liberal Leaders like, Pearson, Trudeau etc.....they had shaped Canada at the time. TOday that image has slipped away :(

During Pearson's time Canada was involved in every single UN missions. But of coarse during that time our Military was great in power and size, i believe that they were able to keep 120,000 troops in Europe. They're were also about 20,000 Special Forces in the Canadian Military... too bad its not like that today:(

[Marxist203]

Yeah, you have a point man. Im pretty much waiting to see the White paper that Martin's government puts out. If they prioritize the military a bit more...by a bit I mean alot. Im definately going to join the forces. If not, than really...there is no point. I mean, sure defending ones country is the greatest duty of all, but if the government doesn't think much of the safety of our fighting men, which is compromised by the lack of proper equipment and funding then its just not worth wasting my time in the Canadian Forces.

[Shake n Bake]

What the hell is wrong with you?? You sound like a damn racist.


...but now you just sound like a little white arrogant ass

I agree with you, but anyone else see the irony?


Yeah, What an asshole



The lack of homogeneity and assimilation is the problem here in America too..




America(Which I believe is the greatest country thats ever been fought for) Is doomed unless we put an end to all this "PC" movement thats running amok and start using our public school systems as a tool to indoctrinate people..

[MaCV-SOG]

In my opinion, the Canadian ARMY doesnt really lack much they've got what they need. The new Benz's are rolling in the Strykers are coming soo thats fine. Should keep some tanks tho.........:)

The Canadian ARmy has a decent helicopter in the Griffon, but i think its time to get some good ole Blackhawks or a G-Lynx. Well....maybe not the G-lynx ahaha

The most lacking thing in the CF is of the AIRFORCE and NAVY. The Navy is a joke and the AIRFORCE dont really do much cept for there Hercs. Its very Depressing that Canada's NAVY once was 3rd best in the world i believe and today its like not even anything.

[RealUltimatePower]

Well you're right MaCV the G-wagon and LAV 3's are very good vehicles that should last Canada for many decades. However the Griffon is not as good as some would have you believe. Out of all the NATO countries Canada is the only one to use the Griffon in a combat role. The RAF use them as trainers. Here's the problem with the Griffon, not enough power. It's a civilian pattern helicopter painted green. Oil companies use it to fly out to their rigs. It can carry an infantry section but not their kit. If you want to bring your rucksack you can only fit six passengers in it. Even then you cannot have door gunners. And there are rocket systems for the Griffon, however if you want to use them you have to basically take off with fumes. Gives you a very short flying time.
But yes of course the CF is underfunded. But for it to be more funded we need the support of the people of Canada. And you don't see them marching to Parliament to demand more money for the military. No all they care about is their homo****** rights and legalized or decriminalized pot. Buncha hippies :fork:

[Schuster]

Out of all the NATO countries Canada is the only one to use the Griffon in a combat role.

Dont the Italians use a Version made by Augusta?

[MaCV-SOG]

Some awesome Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan

3PPCLi

http://www.freepichosting.com/Images/114075/4.jpg

http://www.freepichosting.com/Images/114075/3.jpg

[EvanL]

Some awesome Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan

3PPCLi

http://www.freepichosting.com/Images/114075/4.jpg

http://www.freepichosting.com/Images/114075/3.jpg
Congratulations on posting pics already on the site woot woot woot woot woot

[MaCV-SOG]

Does anybody care?

[EvanL]

Does anybody care?
Well it makes no sense to post pics on this site, that are already ON this site.

[MaCV-SOG]

Looks like its just you buddy...

[ArmedPacifist]

Not only were these already posted in the media section. They are also in the gallery section and on the combat camera website.

[Marxist203]

Some awesome Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan

3PPCLi

http://www.freepichosting.com/Images/114075/4.jpg

http://www.freepichosting.com/Images/114075/3.jpg

A little parody on what some of our less educated American posters would say.

Dumb guy7671: "These guys look like Delta"

Stupid Fop32: "Yeah, look at the Camo, I hear Canada ripped off MARPAT and claimed they designed it in '89"

Captain Canuck: "No guys, those are Canadians...MARPAT and CADPAT were produced seperately, they are from the PPCLI. Check out www.dnd.ca to find out more."

Dumb guy7671: "Canada has an Army? Is that a M249 that guy has?"

Stupid Fop32: "Yeah, Delta replaced the M240 with it cause it was Belgian and we all know the M249 is American Made."

...that was a parody, Im not slamming anyone in particular, I've just read some stupid **** on the Gallery forums awhile back haha.

[ArmedPacifist]

heh

[MaCV-SOG]

LoL...

WOW such ignorance

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ignorance is bliss....
Hey arnt most of us Canadian boys on this site from BC??? Isnt that kinda odd? Maybe us British Columbians are just warmongers rofl

[Marxist203]

Ignorance is bliss....
Hey arnt most of us Canadian boys on this site from BC??? Isnt that kinda odd? Maybe us British Columbians are just warmongers rofl

Yeah...but guns are just so cool.

[ArmedPacifist]

Ignorance is bliss....
Hey arnt most of us Canadian boys on this site from BC???

no. Ontario bitch.

[MaCV-SOG]

Ignorance is bliss....
Hey arnt most of us Canadian boys on this site from BC???

no. Ontario bitch.

Same HERE whore!

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Eat my ass easterners hahahaha jokin
Us BC boys are generally crazy enough especially people from the Island. We are nuts with lil care about our own life/limbs...its the water I tell ya

[EvanL]

Eat my ass easterners hahahaha jokin
Us BC boys are generally crazy enough especially people from the Island. We are nuts with lil care about our own life/limbs...its the water I tell ya
try telling that to a Newfy. Theyll beat your arse till the cows come home.

[Schuster]

Can we all just be happy that we dont live in toronto?

[Schuster]

Eat my ass easterners hahahaha jokin
Us BC boys are generally crazy enough especially people from the Island. We are nuts with lil care about our own life/limbs...its the water I tell ya

That makes sense, Cause last time i was in Qualicum Beach there was a boil water advisery.

[Otsoa]

If you think coastal water can be funky, you obviously haven't tried the water in Kamloops. Man this **** is vile. Besides I don't think the water has anything to do with it...its all the mountains that surround us wherever we go. Does strange things to your mind it does.

[MaCV-SOG]

Buddy i live in Toronto....

What the fuk is wrong wit Toronto?? Buddy if say SARS then your just a fool who's bought into the MEDIA.

TORONTO is the greatest city in CANADA, no doubt.

[Marxist203]

Buddy i live in Toronto....

What the fuk is wrong wit Toronto?? Buddy if say SARS then your just a fool who's bought into the MEDIA.

TORONTO is the greatest city in CANADA, no doubt.

Dude...you obviously haven't been to Vancouver, I mean, Ive been to Toronto. Its too, Brown, and flat. The Scenery(Im talking about the women and the mountains) are just far superior. Not to mention our local beer, Kokanee is the best beer Canada has to offer and just cause Toronto has 6 million people living in it doesn't make it good...

Im mean christ! even your film industry is horrible...You can tell just by watching "Mutant X" that its filmed there man! you guys gotta shape up...cause TORONTO is the lamest cit in CANADA, no doubt.

Newfoundland Rules! woo! Coasties!

[MaCV-SOG]

um..ok there buddy

Toronto is the most develop and most DIVERSE. WHICH IS THE BEST thing. The west has no culture at all ya'll need to shape up and grab more tourist cuz we be makin all the money's.

You need to shove your VanCity gayness and pack it up your dad's ass....cuz you soo ignorant

[Marxist203]

Ignorant? I just dont like Toronto buddy, lets not turn this into a pissing match because Vancouver and the surrounding cities are not only the best place in Canada to live in...but the entire world, so really, I think that makes Vancouver better.

You know, a comedian said it best..."Montreal and Toronto are like two brothers. Ones a drunken ladies man, the other an accountant." Canada got that lame guy rep, cause Toronto is boring! boring as hell! Im sure Regina is more entertaining...probably cause all the gas huffing.

But yeah...this conversation is over cause, you are most obviously just some punk kid.

[MaCV-SOG]

Punk Kid?? LoL Ok there....

Go skiiing and dont bad mouth Toronto again

[Seraphim]

Tell me again where the olympics are going to be held? :cantbeli:

[Vance]

MacV-SOG - My Canadian freind is telling you to shut the hell up until you have lived in Nova Scotia for 16 years.

[Schuster]

um..ok there buddy

Toronto is the most develop and most DIVERSE. WHICH IS THE BEST thing. The west has no culture at all ya'll need to shape up and grab more tourist cuz we be makin all the money's.

You need to shove your VanCity gayness and pack it up your dad's ass....cuz you soo ignorant

The Reason i dont like toronto, is because the people are rude and they think thier city is the center of the mother****ing universe. and no culture.. we have more asians, east indians, persians(or whatever) than we have white people almost.

[Schuster]

Tell me again where the olympics are going to be held? :cantbeli:

The 2010 Winter olympics will be held in Vancouver and Whistler, British Columbia, Canada. And we(Vancouver) were voted the most liveable city in the world by the UN a few years ago. But who really cares about the UN anymore.

[ArmedPacifist]

Tell me again where the olympics are going to be held? :cantbeli:

Italy?

[pAt]

Toronto is a ok city.. too much traffic and immigrants

[Schuster]

Tell me again where the olympics are going to be held? :cantbeli:

Italy?

04 Summer games are in Greece i think

[MaCV-SOG]

WOW....TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND TOO MANY IMMIGRANTs...

TORONTO= MOST DEVELOPED

TORONTO= MULTI-CULTURAL

Toronto is ranked the most multi-cultural city in CAnada. Buddy if you have a problem with immigrants GET THE FUK out of CANAda. Cause unless your a fukkin Native who are you to critisize immigrants. Seeing how the whole fukkin country was built on Immigration dumbass.

Schuster if you think people are rude in TORONTO goto NEW YORK CITY or BOSTON, CHICAGO, L.A, PHILLY, MIAMI see how they treat you there.

Then come back and tell me how you dont like Toronto....

[Marxist203]

WOW....TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND TOO MANY IMMIGRANTs...

TORONTO= MOST DEVELOPED

TORONTO= MULTI-CULTURAL

Toronto is ranked the most multi-cultural city in CAnada. Buddy if you have a problem with immigrants GET THE FUK out of CANAda. Cause unless your a fukkin Native who are you to critisize immigrants. Seeing how the whole fukkin country was built on Immigration dumbass.

Schuster if you think people are rude in TORONTO goto NEW YORK CITY or BOSTON, CHICAGO, L.A, PHILLY, MIAMI see how they treat you there.

Then come back and tell me how you dont like Toronto....

Buddy, look. You're the one who turned this into a "what city is better" discussion. But Im gonna look back at an ignorant comment you made a while back.

"Where do you think all the money is made?! Toronto baby!" so really, I suppose the Oil Fields in Alberta dont make cash, or the ports and forests of BC or the Shipyards in Halifax? there is enough grain in Saskatchewan to feed 22 times the population of Canada, so I take it thats also a worthless contribution to the nation?

Toronto sucks, honestly, because of the crime, the high living rates and other assorted crap. I dont like Toronto because I live in Vancouver...the greatest city in the World!

[Skaman]

Im a vancouver fan myself. Born in Calgary, I live in the B.C interior.

[Schuster]

WOW....TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND TOO MANY IMMIGRANTs...

TORONTO= MOST DEVELOPED

TORONTO= MULTI-CULTURAL

Toronto is ranked the most multi-cultural city in CAnada. Buddy if you have a problem with immigrants GET THE FUK out of CANAda. Cause unless your a fukkin Native who are you to critisize immigrants. Seeing how the whole fukkin country was built on Immigration dumbass.

Schuster if you think people are rude in TORONTO goto NEW YORK CITY or BOSTON, CHICAGO, L.A, PHILLY, MIAMI see how they treat you there.

Then come back and tell me how you dont like Toronto....

I've been to LA and I got the same atmosphere i did from Toronto. I didnt care for the smog either.

[Schuster]

:bash: <--Me for Double Post

[MaCV-SOG]

I was the one who made this thread on "which city is better"??


Dude...you obviously haven't been to Vancouver, I mean, Ive been to Toronto. Its too, Brown, and flat. The Scenery(Im talking about the women and the mountains) are just far superior. Not to mention our local beer, Kokanee is the best beer Canada has to offer and just cause Toronto has 6 million people living in it doesn't make it good...

Im mean christ! even your film industry is horrible...You can tell just by watching "Mutant X" that its filmed there man! you guys gotta shape up...cause TORONTO is the lamest cit in CANADA, no doubt.

Newfoundland Rules! woo! Coasties!


Grow up

[Falco]

What was this thread about again? ...

From my point of view, the canadian military is more what you would call a niche military since we have a lot of specialized units for reconnaissance, sniping and so on and so forth.

By the way Montreal is better ;)

[USMarine3521]

uhh Toronto is cool, but only because I'm a Vince Carter fan who plays for the Toronto Raptors. :D

[[AFSOC]]

What was this thread about again? ...

From my point of view, the canadian military is more what you would call a niche military since we have a lot of specialized units for reconnaissance, sniping and so on and so forth.

By the way Montreal is better ;)

Montreal is cool no doubt

[pAt]

i love st.catherins street lol

[[AFSOC]]

Toronto has Jane and Finch............Lol

[EvanL]

Toronto has Jane and Finch............Lol
Yeh just dont go visiting it. haha

[ArmedPacifist]

Toronto has Jane and Finch............Lol
Yeh just dont go visiting it. haha

Good advice.....

Take it from someone who thought it would be funny to check it out, avoid it.

[[AFSOC]]

Its a good place for tourist though;)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ya montreal has alot (I mean alot) of hot ladies, Im not a big city guy myself but I do love the island because thats were im born and raised (and maybe die who knows ;) )
But anyways we do need to get some different helicopters besides the griffons. The only thing military about those is the guys inside of them flying them, and the green paint. I know we cant afford blackhawks, but does anyone else know what a suitable replacement would be :P

[EvanL]

Ya montreal has alot (I mean alot) of hot ladies, Im not a big city guy myself but I do love the island because thats were im born and raised (and maybe die who knows ;) )
But anyways we do need to get some different helicopters besides the griffons. The only thing military about those is the guys inside of them flying them, and the green paint. I know we cant afford blackhawks, but does anyone else know what a suitable replacement would be :P
The yanks offered us the blackhawks that the aussies have now a while back but the liberals refused them in order to buy the griffon to create canadian jobs.

[Whistler]

Ya... inferior helicopter, jobs for Quebec. What a great trade off :( :(.

I've also heard stories from guys I know in the CF about how the US has offered us free Humvees, surplus M1A1s, and other equipment from time to time but it is also always refused by the Liberals. Same goes for an apparent surplus Leopard 2 offer from the Germans.

(keep in mind those are just things I've heard, but the guys I heard it from are people who know their sh*t)

[Falco]

It's like the seakings, the Tories ordered the replacements but when the libs came into power they cancelled the deal now they're ordering new helos once again :cantbeli: [sigh] polititians sometime ...