14 year old's breasts weigh in at 16 pounds

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.gif

That girl behind her is soooooo jealous
http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

[scrybe]

Woah.... I bet she's popular.

[MEGR]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.gif

That girl behind her is soooooo jealous
http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

lol

Must have been really hard for her in P.E. class, especially running...

[scm77]

I can think of other things that would be hard in PE class. ;)

rofl rofl rofl

I can think of other things that would be hard in PE class. ;)

rofl rofl rofl

:lol:

[basket of soft kittens]

I can think of other things that would be hard in PE class. ;)

rofl rofl rofl

*****'s right?...did i get it?..am i cool now?

[Khabbi]

I can think of other things that would be hard in PE class. ;)

rofl rofl rofl

*****'s right?...did i get it?..am i cool now?


101 !!! rofl

and no BOSK ! no coolnes for you :P

[Viktorin]

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.

[Haiw]

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.
She's 14...

[Viktorin]

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.
She's 14...

Doesn't matter, guys are googoo for Lexi and she's 13. :roll:

[Haiw]

What can I say; there's sick ****s everywhere but not all are THAT nasty.

[basket of soft kittens]

I can think of other things that would be hard in PE class. ;)

rofl rofl rofl

*****'s right?...did i get it?..am i cool now?


101 !!! rofl

and no BOSK ! no coolnes for you :P


aww but i wanna be cool..i wanna!! i wannna!! i wanna!!!

[Ratamacue]

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.
She's 14...
Doesn't matter, guys are googoo for Lexi and she's 13. :roll:
No, only FM and Seoul. ;)

Besides, there's a difference between wanting to do something and actually considering doing something.

[Haiw]

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.
She's 14...
Doesn't matter, guys are googoo for Lexi and she's 13. :roll:
No, only FM and Seoul. ;)

Besides, there's a difference between wanting to do something and actually considering doing something.
True but even the thought of it is a bit gross... :|

[Seiyuuki]

Though, isn't it statistically proven that in some area of Europe, girls become ******ly active at around the age of 15?

[Vance]

Yeay but they're like mountain folk up there. *Shiver*

[Hawkeye]

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.
She's 14...

I'm 14 :D

You catch my drift? p-)

[basket of soft kittens]

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.
She's 14...

I'm 14 :D

You catch my drift? p-)

you want to have ****** intercourse with her right?....am i right?...did i get it?.. am i cool now?

[Haiw]

Not cool. Go dig in garbage and try to find some bust-up Oakleys.

[Jack Mehoff]

ATTENTION ALL MALES!!! (http://www.squarefree.com/extensions/thumbs/)

[ShakesFIST]

Where the heck did you dig this bit of info at? Too bad shes only 14 though ;)

I'm sure every guy that sees her ****s want to suck on them.

yup

[stuntman]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

If she is willing to take this pic she is willing to get ****ed!

Nothing fina then a Minor!
:P

[ShakesFIST]

mmmm....forbidden *gets hands slapped* :bash:

[Scottie]

thankfully im 14 :D

[redhawk_six]

You guys are sick you know that. Maybe in 5-6 years or so, but at 14? :bash:

[EffJi]

You know, aside from that fact that she's 14...she's not very pretty. Look at her face, she looks like some kind of rodent.

I would not tap that.

[Viktorin]

The men in this thread that say they would **** her, are ****ing nasty men.

[Scottie]

too right...but i aint and adult..so..tough :P

[Haiw]

BTW has anyone thought about the fact that she's propably not that 'lucky' in a few years? She'll propably have to reduce size then or risk ****ing up her back...

[Scottie]

they might stop growing?

[Haiw]

they might stop growing?
Or they might not... few people are fully grown at 14. Besides, they might already be problematic for her back at their current size.

[Viktorin]

too right...but i aint and adult..so..tough :P

Including the little gay minors. :roll:

[Scottie]

too right...but i aint and adult..so..tough :P

Including the little gay minors. :roll:

:)

@Haiw...very few females have breasts weighing 16 pounds... :roll:

[Viktorin]

too right...but i aint and adult..so..tough :P

Including the little gay minors. :roll:

:)

@Haiw...very few females have breasts weighing 16 pounds... :roll:

No really? I thought it was something that hit 1 in every 6 girls. I was unblessed then, since I have mosquito bites for ****.

[Hawkeye]

thankfully im 14 :D

Hey man, **** off! I was here first! p-)

[Scottie]

too right...but i aint and adult..so..tough :P

Including the little gay minors. :roll:

:)

@Haiw...very few females have breasts weighing 16 pounds... :roll:

No really? I thought it was something that hit 1 in every 6 girls. I was unblessed then, since I have mosquito bites for ****.

Thanks...i really wanted to know :roll:


@Hawkeye
;)

[Viktorin]

too right...but i aint and adult..so..tough :P

Including the little gay minors. :roll:

:)

@Haiw...very few females have breasts weighing 16 pounds... :roll:

No really? I thought it was something that hit 1 in every 6 girls. I was unblessed then, since I have mosquito bites for ****.

Thanks...i really wanted to know :roll:


@Hawkeye
;)

Yeah, you did quite wanted to know.

[Haiw]

We want to know everything... and what color is that ****ing boathouse in Hereford?!

[Scottie]

of course :roll:

[Viktorin]

We want to know everything... and what color is that f*** boathouse in Hereford?!

Yellow. :roll:

[Viktorin]

of course :roll:

The roll eye action is mine, I'm suing you for copywrite infringement. ;)



:roll: :roll:

[Scottie]

damn u i was here first
:bash:

:roll:

[Haiw]

CopyRIGHT

Yeah...


sorry...


I'll slit my own throat thank you.

[Viktorin]

damn u i was here first
:bash:

:roll:

But I am the one who overuses it. :roll:


:hug:

[Viktorin]

CopyRIGHT

Yeah...


sorry...


I'll slit my own throat thank you.

I caught that typo right after I posted, it would have been corrected immediately, IF, the ****ing edit button wasn't taken away. And shut up you little gay Dutch ****, you spell PROBABLY wrong ALL THE ****IN' TIME. It's not "Propably" :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Scottie]

damn u i was here first
:bash:

:roll:

But I am the one who overuses it. :roll:


:hug:

only you :roll:

im off for the time being cya lter

[Haiw]

Bite me.
:roll:
;)

[Viktorin]

damn u i was here first
:bash:

:roll:

But I am the one who overuses it. :roll:


:hug:

only you :roll:

im off for the time being cya lter

Ha det bra.....

[Cassiar]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

She needs to be tasered.

[Viktorin]

Bite me.
:roll:
;)

I'll bite your **** off. ;)

[Haiw]

Well if that's the only way my **** will ever end up in a womans mouth it's a sacrifice I'll have to bring... :( :P

[Jack Mehoff]

Hey, Viktoria. How many American frat boys in your college already hitting on you? I know those horny bastards would like to nail foreign exchange students.

[Viktorin]

Hey, Viktoria. How many American frat boys in your college already hitting on you? I know those horny bastards would like to nail foreign exchange students.


Big phat 0

Oh, and....


http://img17.exs.cx/img17/7932/IMAGE24.jpg

[CQB_Operator]

OH my god look at that....face :lol: , she's Nathalie Portman little sister

[Scottie]

Hey, Viktoria. How many American frat boys in your college already hitting on you? I know those horny bastards would like to nail foreign exchange students.


Big phat 0

Oh, and....


http://img17.exs.cx/img17/7932/IMAGE24.jpg

is that sucks or suck 8? :roll:

[ash933]

Though, isn't it statistically proven that in some area of Europe, girls become ******ly active at around the age of 15?

Try 12 or 13. Council Estates and Burberry are to blame for this.

[Shadow]

OMFG what a losy bitch, my breasts a heavier!:P p-) ;)

[FozzieBear]

shes one ugly mofo, i would definatly NOT hit that :P

[Raistlin]

She'll definately will have to get it reduced. Someone I know had to do it as well.

[Digital Marine]

woot woot

[Fenna]

Can you feel the love in this thread :lol:

[Guttorm]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

She needs to be tasered.

Agreed! :lol:

I love this thread, men wanting to hump a girl for her breasts? jeez...

I don't like brests that are big... They tend to suffocate (Don't bother with my spelling...) you when they get on top... :D

[Hawkeye]

I don't like brests that are big...

Normally I don't either but these are some good lookin' **** if you ask me p-)

[b.scheller]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.gif

That girl behind her is soooooo jealous
http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

perhaps its the shirt but they dont look that big...btw the girl in my dance class shes 15 and has one of the bigger sets... :P

[Operation Ivy]

those r some big knockers

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Gazing into my crystal ball...I see

a string of boyfriends who don't look her in the face
back problems
bras that could double as bridge supports
surgery

Hope she enjoys 'em while they're still all nice and perky. She'll need to push them around in a cart by the time she's 35. :lol:

[djon]

:lol: :lol:


Gazing into my crystal ball...I see

a string of boyfriends who don't look her in the face
back problems
bras that could double as bridge supports
surgery

Hope she enjoys 'em while they're still all nice and perky. She'll need to push them around in a cart by the time she's 35. :lol:

Bite me.
:roll:
;)

I'll bite your **** off. ;)

:lol:

[Scottie]

Gazing into my crystal ball...I see

a string of boyfriends who don't look her in the face
back problems
bras that could double as bridge supports
surgery

Hope she enjoys 'em while they're still all nice and perky. She'll need to push them around in a cart by the time she's 35. :lol:

Maybe its the bra that makes them look perky? :|

[TallGuy]

I prefer smaller breasts.

Hey Viktorin, how big are yours, a handful or mouthful? p-)

[Viktorin]

I prefer smaller breasts.

Hey Viktorin, how big are yours, a handful or mouthful? p-)


More like only Mosquito bites!!!

[Jack Mehoff]

I prefer smaller breasts.

Hey Viktorin, how big are yours, a handful or mouthful? p-)

Man, Iceland is full beautiful women. You should be hitting on them instead.

[Scottie]

mosquito bites lol..dont refer them to that...man i wouldnt refer my ***** to a twig :roll:

[TallGuy]

Man, Iceland is full beautiful women. You should be hitting on them instead.

No, they won't give me a second look..well maybe some of them but not in a good way.

[Viktorin]

mosquito bites lol..dont refer them to that...man i wouldnt refer my ***** to a twig :roll:

At least I can admit what size **** I have. You're only 14, so I expect your ***** to not be that big either. But my mother lacked breasts and I got most of her genes. So hense I have like non-existant ****s.

[Viktorin]

Man, Iceland is full beautiful women. You should be hitting on them instead.

No, they won't give me a second look..well maybe some of them but not in a good way.

That girl in your av has too much makeup on anyways, do all Icelanders look like that? The fake look?

[TallGuy]

Man, Iceland is full beautiful women. You should be hitting on them instead.

No, they won't give me a second look..well maybe some of them but not in a good way.

That girl in your av has too much makeup on anyways, do all Icelanders look like that? The fake look?

No, not all of them. A lot of Icelandic girls don't wear any make-up at all. They don't need it.

[Viktorin]

Man, Iceland is full beautiful women. You should be hitting on them instead.

No, they won't give me a second look..well maybe some of them but not in a good way.

That girl in your av has too much makeup on anyways, do all Icelanders look like that? The fake look?

No, not all of them. A lot of Icelandic girls don't wear any make-up at all. They don't need it.

Good, because I'm sick of girls wearing makeup, it's like just be yourself and show what beauty you have........ Ugly or not... Make up just hides the flaws.

[MEGR]

Gazing into my crystal ball...I see

a string of boyfriends who don't look her in the face
back problems
bras that could double as bridge supports
surgery

Hope she enjoys 'em while they're still all nice and perky. She'll need to push them around in a cart by the time she's 35. :lol:

Exactly what I was thinking.

[djon]

pawned :lol:


mosquito bites lol..dont refer them to that...man i wouldnt refer my ***** to a twig :roll:

At least I can admit what size **** I have. You're only 14, so I expect your ***** to not be that big either.

[Scottie]

mosquito bites lol..dont refer them to that...man i wouldnt refer my ***** to a twig :roll:

At least I can admit what size **** I have. You're only 14, so I expect your ***** to not be that big either. But my mother lacked breasts and I got most of her genes. So hense I have like non-existant ****s.


*NO COMMENT* :roll:

[Haiw]

That's a yes... :lol:

[MEGR]

mosquito bites lol..dont refer them to that...man i wouldnt refer my ***** to a twig :roll:

At least I can admit what size **** I have. You're only 14, so I expect your ***** to not be that big either. But my mother lacked breasts and I got most of her genes. So hense I have like non-existant ****s.


*NO COMMENT* :roll:

rofl

[Scottie]

Thats a im not gonna make u guys think im some ****o star coz if got such a large ***** or not... :roll:

[Viktorin]

Thats a im not gonna make u guys think im some ****o star coz if got such a large ***** or not... :roll:


:lol: rofl

[Sayeret]

crazy

[Scottie]

Thats a im not gonna make u guys think im some ****o star coz if got such a large ***** or not... :roll:


:lol: rofl

I hope ur laughing that you were wrong about my ***** size... :roll:

[Freibier]

Thats a im not gonna make u guys think im some ****o star coz if got such a large ***** or not... :roll:


:lol: rofl

I hope ur laughing that you were wrong about my ***** size... :roll:
rofl rofl rofl

[Hawkeye]

Thats a im not gonna make u guys think im some ****o star coz if got such a large ***** or not... :roll:


:lol: rofl

I hope ur laughing that you were wrong about my ***** size... :roll:
rofl rofl rofl


rofl rofl rofl

It's ok you don't have to be embaressed...
Or is it that bad? :P

[Scottie]

You guys are the ones who are gonna be embarresed, coz i can bet u, u are all wrong ;)

[Haiw]

Yay, we're winding down into a full-fledged *****-measuring contest... w00t

[Freibier]

We really don't give a **** but its funny to see how much you care about it rofl rofl

[Ria]

I feel bad for her if she NEVER gets surgery. My friend wants to have a breast-reduction because she has problems with her back, and her ****s aren't as big as that girl's...I'd hate to see what those things look like once she takes the bra off. Stretch marks galore, anyone? :|

[Scottie]

^^Thats what u wished ;)

and dude...if u think that having a large ***** is good..think again..(or maybe ask a female about that :roll: )

[Haiw]

^^Thats what u wished ;)

and dude...if u think that having a large ***** is good..think again..(or maybe ask a female about that :roll: )
Don't tell me you've been playing with your little sister...

[Scottie]

:roll:

Dont think even a "sick" man like me would ever come up with that..ask digital marine :roll:

[Viktorin]

rofl rofl

[Scottie]

why is everyone making fun of me? :(

[Viktorin]

why is everyone making fun of me? :(

Nah, just playing with ya kid. :D

[Scottie]

so u take advantage of me because im younger than you? :|

[Scottie]

i dont go around tormenting u... :(

[Viktorin]

i dont go around tormenting u... :(

Its a JOKE, get over it please..... I mean no harm.......

[ZaakM433]

i dont go around tormenting u... :(

proove it!




oh, and yeah... i put blue whales to shame!

[Viktorin]

If you're talking about your ***** size, PROVE IT!

[Lexi]

This thread almost makes me sick.

[Viktorin]

This thread almost makes me sick.

*Comforts Lexi* :P

[NcDeuce]

:slap: How Jack found this info is kinda peculiar...

The girl is 14, Jack is...?

[Vance]

Poor Kammie...

[Falco]

This thread wan an interesting read :lol:

[Scottie]

If you're talking about your ***** size, PROVE IT!

Hvis du va på msn sååå :P

[Viktorin]

If you're talking about your ***** size, PROVE IT!

Hvis du va på msn sååå :P

I was actually talking to zaak, but I already told you to remove my name from MSN, that is not me that signs into it anymore, a hacker took over my username.

[Scottie]

iv never seen anyone sign in, plus i dont know ur address :roll:

[Viktorin]

iv never seen anyone sign in, plus i dont know ur address :roll:

Hmm, I swore I gave you my username, but whatever... Right back at ya ---------> :roll:
















:hug:

[Scottie]

iv never seen anyone sign in, plus i dont know ur address :roll:

Hmm, I swore I gave you my username, but whatever... Right back at ya ---------> :roll:
















:hug:

ks651@comcast.net

was that it?

well n e way..


:hug: :)

[US MAN]

Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net

:lol: ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

Any thread with **** and ass will have 100+ posts. This thread is a confidence booster for all the girls here. :lol:

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

i would hit it....

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

i would hit it....

word

[Operation Ivy]

those r some big knockers

[b.scheller]

Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net
Mailing **** to: ks651@comcast.net

:lol: ;)

your an idiot

[Jack Mehoff]

I don't like her teeth. I have a fetish for smiles and teeth (smile/teeth > ****s). But she's still a baby and very illegal.

[ShakesFIST]

If the field has grass, play ball :slap:

[eckslax]

She's only three years younger than me. ;)

[pAt]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

i would hit it....

word

i think hes talkin about the chick in the blue :P

[Viktorin]

iv never seen anyone sign in, plus i dont know ur address :roll:

Hmm, I swore I gave you my username, but whatever... Right back at ya ---------> :roll:
















:hug:

ks651@comcast.net

was that it?

well n e way..


:hug: :)

Yeah that was my address, dingleberry!!! thx FOR ****ING posting it on this FORUM as well. Stupid ass!

[Stormy]

Damn, Those are some heavy knockers.





Yeah that was my address, dingleberry!!! thx FOR f*** posting it on this FORUM as well. Stupid ass!


LMAO..Hostile

[Viktorin]

Damn, Those are some heavy knockers.





Yeah that was my address, dingleberry!!! thx FOR f*** posting it on this FORUM as well. Stupid ass!


LMAO..Hostile

Yeah, well that's the reason why I don't have my E-MAIL visible to the forum for obviously reasons of what US MAN said above, I do not feel like getting ****ing **** and junk **** in my mail mox, I am now forced to change it.

[Musashi]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

What is her name?
Do you have more photos of her? woot p-)

[memphiz]

Jesus their effing huge

[Dmitri47]

She's only three years younger than me. ;)

ha, shes 6 years younger than me, but if i had met this girl and she told me she was 18, i'd believe it

i know girls over 21 that could pass for 14, i guess its just different for everybody. and i really cant disagree with the 18yr old age of consent law, it probably keeps alot of 40yr old guys from hanging out at highskools

but hey, if she lies to you, and you cant honestly tell how old she is, oh well

[Steve Railsback]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

uh......must touch *starts drooling, and runs downstairs for glass of milk*

[Hullebullen]

Well, as one gentleman on this forum so eloquently put it: "If there's grass in the field then it's time to play cricket!"... :lol:

[usa320]

Her face isnt that nice, but if i was 14, or when she turns 20....


I too am usually not a big fan of massive knockers, reason being they are often fake, droopy or flabby. I prefer the really fit, round smaller sets... but this rack is indeed top notch... just the right shape from the looks of it.

[Raistlin]

Did you mean golf by chance?

feel sorry for the boys in her class, always get distracted

[Pandy]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

Look at the girl in the background, she looks like she was going to beat the **** out of her or laugh her ass off. What ya think?

[Vance]

I dunno but she's ugly as hell

[basket of soft kittens]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

Look at the girl in the background, she looks like she was going to beat the **** out of her or laugh her ass off. What ya think?

can we say wrist-cutter...

[pAt]

paper bag material

[scm77]

http://www.noboo****.com/pics/8grade****s.jpg

Look at the girl in the background, she looks like she was going to beat the **** out of her or laugh her ass off. What ya think?

can we say wrist-cutter...

rofl rofl

[US MAN]

Damn, Those are some heavy knockers.





Yeah that was my address, dingleberry!!! thx FOR f*** posting it on this FORUM as well. Stupid ass!


LMAO..Hostile

Yeah, well that's the reason why I don't have my E-MAIL visible to the forum for obviously reasons of what US MAN said above, I do not feel like getting f*** **** and junk **** in my mail mox, I am now forced to change it.

lol don't worry, I'm not gonna send anything... but I remember when somebody posted my email addy on a website, I was not happy lol... and it didn't take but 5 minutes for the $hit to start appearing in my inbox.

[Dennis G]

Come on people she is 14 years old.

[Viktorin]

Damn, Those are some heavy knockers.





Yeah that was my address, dingleberry!!! thx FOR f*** posting it on this FORUM as well. Stupid ass!


LMAO..Hostile

Yeah, well that's the reason why I don't have my E-MAIL visible to the forum for obviously reasons of what US MAN said above, I do not feel like getting f*** **** and junk **** in my mail mox, I am now forced to change it.

lol don't worry, I'm not gonna send anything... but I remember when somebody posted my email addy on a website, I was not happy lol... and it didn't take but 5 minutes for the $hit to start appearing in my inbox.

Doesn't matter if you do now or not, yoú'll just get an e-mail back that says user does not exist, with my ISP I'm actually able to change my primary username (or any username) by typing a new username in a box and just click update........ Pretty simple.....

[Steve Railsback]

Damn, Those are some heavy knockers.





Yeah that was my address, dingleberry!!! thx FOR f*** posting it on this FORUM as well. Stupid ass!


LMAO..Hostile

Yeah, well that's the reason why I don't have my E-MAIL visible to the forum for obviously reasons of what US MAN said above, I do not feel like getting f*** **** and junk **** in my mail mox, I am now forced to change it.

lol don't worry, I'm not gonna send anything... but I remember when somebody posted my email addy on a website, I was not happy lol... and it didn't take but 5 minutes for the $hit to start appearing in my inbox.

Doesn't matter if you do now or not, yoú'll just get an e-mail back that says user does not exist, with my ISP I'm actually able to change my primary username (or any username) by typing a new username in a box and just click update........ Pretty simple.....

good for you :|

[Midav]

She's got a future in playboy...

[Dmitri47]

Come on people she is 14 years old.

haha, you know you'd hit it...


well, this is no less disturbing than all the 40yr old men that jump on the chance to get added to a 16yr old girls Myspace site.

or all these old guys who've been waiting for the olsen twins to turn 18. i still think they're ugly

its entertaining though. she wouldnt bang any of us anyways

[Scottie]

iv never seen anyone sign in, plus i dont know ur address :roll:

Hmm, I swore I gave you my username, but whatever... Right back at ya ---------> :roll:

















:hug:

ks651@comcast.net

was that it?

well n e way..


:hug: :)

Yeah that was my address, dingleberry!!! thx FOR f*** posting it on this FORUM as well. Stupid ass!

You said that it wasnt active!!! :bash: WTF is wrong with you woman!
:bash: :bash:

Get your priorities right!

[uspdude]

Come on people she is 14 years old.

its entertaining though. she wouldnt bang any of us anyways

lol... true true... :D
oh by the way Jack..how d u know that she's only 14?...she doesn't looks 14 to me...