Anyone use one of these?

[Sepper]

This (http://www.ironwolfent.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=WT-0002&category=&keywords=chest%20pouches&hits_seen=&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=&exact_match=yes) is a good price for a nice looking chest rig. I'm just wondering if these are good quality? Thanks.

[eggroll]

oh yeah all the rage..... it you like to have your gear falling apart at the most inopportune of times.

[martinexsquaddie]

Webtex basically makes cheap copies of stuff IDeal for air soft and much beloved of army cadets and there instructors and some people who spend there lives in landrovers. but if your into crawling or abusing your kit stay well away. Its cheap you get what you pay for

[Sabre]

If you want a chest rig, go to a surplus store yourself and get a 2nd hand one in good nick. Either that or look on ebay.

Only buy an issue rig or an Arktis rig. Even an old, used arktis rig will be better than that webtex pants. Also, don't pay more than £30 for one. It's not worth it (aim for £15-£20) ;)

Don't buy one new (unless it's for a collection) as it is pointless. They ask for £20 more than for a used one at least and the only difference is a few leopard crawls through some mud.

Call these guys if you want. They're a big surplus warehouse and may have some chest rigs in at very cheap prices:

http://www.milweb.net/go/johnsons/

[tenda]

well for airsoft can be ok....for other pass to an arktis,wyviern or mod issue ...!!!!!!!! :D

[Nedflanders]

I have worn them in the past. I would still wear them.........

We are not allowed as we are police........ Maybe in black...........

[tenda]

I have worn them in the past. I would still wear them.........

We are not allowed as we are police........ Maybe in black...........
..well arktis make a lot of vest for police...!! ;)

[Sepper]

I can't find anything of better quality as cheap here in the US.

[moughoun]

Russian kit, actually very good

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/product_details/Pioneer_M23_(Splav).php

[tenda]

Russian kit, actually very good

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/product_details/Pioneer_M23_(Splav).php
...this is a real good alternative ...i use to have an od one.....!! ;) ;)

[Steve Andrews]

http://www.arktisltd.co.uk/ Arktis. Nothing else.

[tenda]

http://www.arktisltd.co.uk/ Arktis. Nothing else.
for sure especially the evolved 1724 version...!!!!! ;)

[Sabre]

Sepper wrote:
I can't find anything of better quality as cheap here in the US.

Didn't know you were in the States mate, thought you were over here. (Didn't notice the $ instead of the £ !) :oops:

On ebay for $65, 3 hours left

http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/48/55/63_1.JPG


On for £5 and one day left (bit battered but ok)

http://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/ea/63/e6_1_b.JPG


£25, not sure of quality though:

http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/00/e1/2a/09_1.JPG

But definately don't get webtex.

[tenda]

...for 5 this is ok... ;)
http://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/ea/63/e6_1_b.JPG
...in alternative get the web tex.... ;)

[Sabre]

Would have sold you my issue rig, but sold it to a mate instead.

Issue rigs are well built bits of kit, and the one above will still be serviceable.

Give it a wash and it will probably be fine.

I wouldn't pay over £10-£15 for it though, considering P&P as well.

[tenda]

Would have sold you my issue rig, but sold it to a mate instead.

Issue rigs are well built bits of kit, and the one above will still be serviceable.

Give it a wash and it will probably be fine.

I wouldn't pay over £10-£15 for it though, considering P&P as well.
...absolutly agree in my collection i've got 2 plce set and two chest rig one it's the issue one... :D http://iltenda.interfree.it/foto/pagina8/urban_tend.jpg

[dr_newstead]

I have the Webtex chest rig. It's just to complete a look, and I've yet to risk going ****e in the thing. I have an Arktis chest rig should that need arise.

One thing; I'd be interested to know how many of the Webtex nay-sayers have actually field-tested the gear themselves. I don't mean this in a defensive way, I mean I'd like to hear from someone who's bought one in the last... 5 months say. Webtex have markedly improved their products (IRR-proofing for one), whilst Arktis products are being withdrawn from a lot of specialist shops due to poor quality. Maybe people are going on experiences from several years ago... Wyvern are still good though.

[tenda]

Wyvern...it's even better but in italy it's hard to find and very expensive.... :(

[dr_newstead]

Was very interested in getting one of these:

http://www.downrangesports.com/browseproducts/Arktis-1624-Norloose-Rig.HTML

Someone was discussing it on another forum though, and that's when all the gear suppliers said they'd stopped doing Arktis because customers kept returning dud items. Shame, as that was just what I was after.

[tenda]

Was very interested in getting one of these:

http://www.downrangesports.com/browseproducts/Arktis-1624-Norloose-Rig.HTML

Someone was discussing it on another forum though, and that's when all the gear suppliers said they'd stopped doing Arktis because customers kept returning dud items. Shame, as that was just what I was after.
...it happened when arktis has planted a factory i romania.... :bash:
...i've recieved some 1601 vest with very bad cordura....!!!! :cantbeli:

[Sabre]

Yeah, I'm not too keen on some of Arktis' more 'technical' kit. The more straps, clips and velcro a bit of kit has, the more can go wrong. Also, their webbing material seems flimsy, plus their pouches are not lined with the IRR liner material as in PLCE kit (which makes it stronger...double thickness)

Compared to an issue vest, their vests are over-complicated. For example:

-Clips AND zips to fasten the front,
-An internal waist belt (why?)
-A camelback pouch --> interferes with a bergen
-the side straps --> not as secure as a full mesh vest
-the 'double d-ring' attachment pouches flap around (mate i sold my chest rig to had this vest, he preffered the chest rig)
-Upper pouches not as useful as the issue 'trauma' pouches.

They seem to concentrate too much on weird and wonderful 'innovations', rather than good basic kit. The NL rig is a perfect example. It's like a hybrid of belt kit and ops vest.

IMO, the best bits of kit they ever made were the classic chest rig (a very good bit of kit still, light, hard wearing, simple, uncluttered, good range of movement) and the rear three pouch set (good idea, maximises space). Most of the other stuff isn't that useful and costs too much.

@bout Webtex

I haven't tried any of their kit as I would never buy something that looked that bad! I've seen it in stores and it just wasn't quality kit. A bloke in my old unit bought a complete set of webtex webbing (lord knows why, he got issued brand new-ish DPM PLCE kit) but it just wasn't good kit.

For webbing, PLCE is miles better than any other comercial kit as long as you sort it out properly. Use four rear pouches or two plus one big comercial US-style butt pack. Bungee and strap the lot so it doesn't bounce, then don't ever use anything out of it other than water and bullets. ;)

[tenda]

the plce rulez...especially the 90 version...!!!!! :P

[Sabre]

By US-style butt pouch, i meant a big belt pouch (bigger than PLCE utility), but not an actual butt pouch.

More like this:

http://www.sasskit.co.uk/pics/250/p17sassbeltpouch.jpg

This is to hold all your emergency rations, survival kit, med kit, emergency cooker (4 hexi blocks, matches and three nails) etc etc

If all goes well, you never need to open this pouch! ;)

[dr_newstead]

Aye, I bought the Arktis classic chestrig when I realised I might actually need to go out in my gear someday :p

[Sabre]

Yeah.

Anyway, I know people on this forum like their kit. Chest rigs are good if you'll be spending your time in a landie (or toyota hilux), and ops vests are good for patrolling the mean streets, but nothing beats belt kit. And for belt kit you can't to better than PLCE (a little augmented, of course).

Just my opinion.

[Roger Rabbit]

if you have a bayonet frog how do you attach that?

I'm quite skinny so with 2x ammo pouches, 2x waterbottle and 1x utility theres no room on the belt for a bayonet frog unless i have the ammo pouches coming round my front.

[Royal]

http://iltenda.interfree.it/foto/pagina8/urban_tend.jpg

If you're trying to look like a Brit, loose the gay gloves, shades, knee pads and roll your sleeves up a couple of turns - nice try on the hat though.

Arktis gear was the biz in the late 80's (I've still got a DPM chest rig I bought in Exeter in '88 - it's had a few patches but it's still going) never even looked at WebTex...

[Sabre]

Roger Rabbit wrote:
if you have a bayonet frog how do you attach that?

I'm quite skinny so with 2x ammo pouches, 2x waterbottle and 1x utility theres no room on the belt for a bayonet frog unless i have the ammo pouches coming round my front.

Start going to Greggs for your tea! :D

Well, i don't use a bayonet. You can fit four utility pouches on but it takes a bit of muscle. It' something of a dark art.

Use utility pouches rather than water bottle pouches as the fittings on the back are smaller and easier to work with. First, centre the two rear most pouches over 'yoke loops' on the belt. I think if you use the velcro attachment on each pouch nearest the centre of the belt (ie where your spine would be), putting the pouches as close as possible together and then thread the belt through the loop on the other side of the pouch (the other velcro thing will obstruct the yoke loops) you'll end up with two pouches fitting into the space between the yoke loops (sort of). Then just fit the next utility pouchs as close as humanly possible to the already fitted pouches. Remember to curl the belt into the shape it will be on your body and only use the velcro/plastic bar attachments as they take up less belt length. Do the same with the ammo pouches, except you can pass the belt through the front loop for added security if you wish.

Bungee round the outside and utility strap on the inside and you're done. Your webbing shouldn't lay out flat even when empty as the pouches are so close together. When full, the pouches should be right up aginst eachother and almost wedge shaped. As for the bayonet, fit it on top of your rear pouch, lying flat? Or shove it in between two pouches and rig something up to tie it to the belt?

[Royal]

if you have a bayonet frog how do you attach that?

I'm quite skinny so with 2x ammo pouches, 2x waterbottle and 1x utility theres no room on the belt for a bayonet frog unless i have the ammo pouches coming round my front.

Stick it in your daysack between the liner and the fabric of the sack itself. You'll never be given fix bayonets and not have time to take your daysack off...

[Roger Rabbit]

Thankyou both for your advice. I'll have another crack at my webbing and see if i can get another pouch on.

[Sabre]

I'm suprised my explaination made any sense. Reading it now, I'm not sure if i really know what I meant! :lol:

I would show you a picture of my belt kit, as a picture paints a thousand words. Unfortunately I don't have access to a digital camera, and I use a 'roller bar' cargo strap belt, not a PLCE one. Hope you can de-cypher my ramblings and get that pouch on!

;)

[tenda]

http://iltenda.interfree.it/foto/pagina8/urban_tend.jpg

If you're trying to look like a Brit, loose the gay gloves, shades, knee pads and roll your sleeves up a couple of turns - nice try on the hat though.

Arktis gear was the biz in the late 80's (I've still got a DPM chest rig I bought in Exeter in '88 - it's had a few patches but it's still going) never even looked at WebTex...
...i'm not trying to look nothing i'm just an estimator of dpm pattern....tnx's for the hat suggestion anyway ...!!!!!!! ;)

[Howie Kaluha]

http://iltenda.interfree.it/foto/pagina8/urban_tend.jpg

If you're trying to look like a Brit, loose the gay gloves, shades, knee pads and roll your sleeves up a couple of turns - nice try on the hat though.

Arktis gear was the biz in the late 80's (I've still got a DPM chest rig I bought in Exeter in '88 - it's had a few patches but it's still going) never even looked at WebTex...
...i'm not trying to nothing i'm just an estimator of dpm pattern....tnx's for the suggestion anyway ...!!!!!!! ;)

It's ok Tenda. I think you're one dead sexy Italian :D

[tenda]

http://iltenda.interfree.it/foto/pagina8/urban_tend.jpg

If you're trying to look like a Brit, loose the gay gloves, shades, knee pads and roll your sleeves up a couple of turns - nice try on the hat though.

Arktis gear was the biz in the late 80's (I've still got a DPM chest rig I bought in Exeter in '88 - it's had a few patches but it's still going) never even looked at WebTex...
...i'm not trying to nothing i'm just an estimator of dpm pattern....tnx's for the suggestion anyway ...!!!!!!! ;)

It's ok Tenda. I think you're one dead sexy Italian :D
........ohhhhh yes......!!!!! :hug:

[Sepper]

What about this one? (http://www.ironwolfent.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=1499&category=&keywords=chest&hits_seen=36&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=&exact_match=yes)- It looks good to me, but I haven't used these before. I'm no expert, just trying to find something useable. The Pioneer M23 probably won't fit my M4 mags, all I see is that it holds AK/ RPK mags, won't help much since they tend to be taller. I guess I could try to put magpuls on my mags, but I've never been a big fan of them. I'm looking for this in either OD/ US woodland/ DPM, but I prefer OD. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks mates.

[tenda]

What about this one? (http://www.ironwolfent.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=1499&category=&keywords=chest&hits_seen=36&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=&exact_match=yes)- It looks good to me, but I haven't used these before. I'm no expert, just trying to find something useable. The Pioneer M23 probably won't fit my M4 mags, all I see is that it holds AK/ RPK mags, won't help much since they tend to be taller. I guess I could try to put magpuls on my mags, but I've never been a big fan of them. I'm looking for this in either OD/ US woodland/ DPM, but I prefer OD. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks mates.
...look similar to webtex.... :roll: :roll: :roll:
well try again...!!!! ;)

[TriggerPuller]

What about this one? (http://www.ironwolfent.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=1499&category=&keywords=chest&hits_seen=36&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=&exact_match=yes)- It looks good to me, but I haven't used these before. I'm no expert, just trying to find something useable. The Pioneer M23 probably won't fit my M4 mags, all I see is that it holds AK/ RPK mags, won't help much since they tend to be taller. I guess I could try to put magpuls on my mags, but I've never been a big fan of them. I'm looking for this in either OD/ US woodland/ DPM, but I prefer OD. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks mates. I think the chest rig in your Avatar would work best for Tenda!!! I have seen a few of your gay pics before but this takes the cake!! Do you have no shame?

TP

[tenda]

What about this one? (http://www.ironwolfent.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=1499&category=&keywords=chest&hits_seen=36&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=&exact_match=yes)- It looks good to me, but I haven't used these before. I'm no expert, just trying to find something useable. The Pioneer M23 probably won't fit my M4 mags, all I see is that it holds AK/ RPK mags, won't help much since they tend to be taller. I guess I could try to put magpuls on my mags, but I've never been a big fan of them. I'm looking for this in either OD/ US woodland/ DPM, but I prefer OD. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks mates. I think the chest rig in your Avatar would work best for Tenda!!! I have seen a few of your gay pics before but this takes the cake!! Do you have no shame?

TP
....no...but i've big sense of humor..!!!!!! ;)

[Sepper]

What?

[tenda]

What?
....forget it...!!! ;)
anyway nice avatar...!!!!! :P http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/151703154041a7e4cc466a9.jpg

[Sabre]

@ Sepper:

Mate, reference my post on the first page, you can get the 'ranger' rig on ebay as a 'buy it now' item for $25.

It looks like one of those webtex style ones though.

I think this one looks ok, thinner material than a UK issue, but looks like typical US issue material, so not that bad for $65:

http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/48/55/63_1.JPG

[Sepper]

@ Sepper:

Mate, reference my post on the first page, you can get the 'ranger' rig on ebay as a 'buy it now' item for $25.

It looks like one of those webtex style ones though.

I think this one looks ok, thinner material than a UK issue, but looks like typical US issue material, so not that bad for $65:

http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/48/55/63_1.JPG

Where did you see that one for $65? Direct link if you can. Thanks mate.

[Sabre]

Sorry mate, can't find it. Think it was from 'Military Griffin' but I can't find it there. I think there were several, so it may be they will be back in stock, or I've just been looking in the wrong place. Try searching for 'chest rig'.

[Sepper]

I found one on ebay for about $65. But I'll probably buy the one I want, for around $100. I wish it was cheaper, but I don't think I can find them cheaper than that, unless I can find one used, and I'm just not seeing that. OpTactical has the Blackhawk Commando for about $98... I don't want to have ****ty gear that falls apart, so this might be the way to go. I'm sure Arktis is great, but they're not easily found here in America for surplus prices (to my limited knowledge...) Thanks mates.

[Sabre]

Found it mate. It's listed on ebay now.

It is from Military Griffin, and it's called:

"Commando Trooper Chest Rig US Woodland Camo"

$65

http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/48/55/63_1.JPG

[Sepper]

Good deal, just kinda wish it wasn't camo. I need it in Olive Green/ Olive Drab... May just have to settle with camo. We'll see.

[TriggerPuller]

What about this one? (http://www.ironwolfent.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=1499&category=&keywords=chest&hits_seen=36&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=&exact_match=yes)- It looks good to me, but I haven't used these before. I'm no expert, just trying to find something useable. The Pioneer M23 probably won't fit my M4 mags, all I see is that it holds AK/ RPK mags, won't help much since they tend to be taller. I guess I could try to put magpuls on my mags, but I've never been a big fan of them. I'm looking for this in either OD/ US woodland/ DPM, but I prefer OD. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks mates. I think the chest rig in your Avatar would work best for Tenda!!! I have seen a few of your gay pics before but this takes the cake!! Do you have no shame?

TP


....no...but i've big sense of humor..!!!!!! ;) Me too just messin with ya bro! take care.

TP

[tenda]

What about this one? (http://www.ironwolfent.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=1499&category=&keywords=chest&hits_seen=36&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=&exact_match=yes)- It looks good to me, but I haven't used these before. I'm no expert, just trying to find something useable. The Pioneer M23 probably won't fit my M4 mags, all I see is that it holds AK/ RPK mags, won't help much since they tend to be taller. I guess I could try to put magpuls on my mags, but I've never been a big fan of them. I'm looking for this in either OD/ US woodland/ DPM, but I prefer OD. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks mates. I think the chest rig in your Avatar would work best for Tenda!!! I have seen a few of your gay pics before but this takes the cake!! Do you have no shame?

TP


....no...but i've big sense of humor..!!!!!! ;) Me too just messin with ya bro! take care.

TP
...no problem...i'm always take it easy....!!!!!! ;)