Polish troops preparing for Iraq elections in january...

[tony6]

11.22.2004-12.02.2004 exercise "grey heaven 2004"-preparation for Iraq mission (4th contingent of Polish troops):

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do you have some more of it?

[Howie Kaluha]

Refresh my memory...what rifle is that??

[perdurabo]

kbk wz96 Beryl
5,56mm NATO clone of AK

[Werewolf01]

What sidearm does the Polish military issue now? The PM?

[perdurabo]

What sidearm does the Polish military issue now? The PM?
9mm WIST 94

but also older ones like
9mm P 83 Wanad

9mm P 64

7.62 mm wz33 TT

[Werewolf01]

It looks like the WIST 94 has a built in laser on the bottom pic. Is that so? I like my TT33. I have been tinkering with the idea of buying a p64. We can get them here for $139.00.

[perdurabo]

It looks like the WIST 94 has a built in laser on the bottom pic. Is that so? I like my TT33. I have been tinkering with the idea of buying a p64. We can get them here for $139.00.
yes botom one has red dot /laser pointer but this was criticized much there should be just somekind of universal rail ...

[Werewolf01]

Doe sit have a hammer, or is it striker operated?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

7.62 mm wz33 TT


AFAIR the TT was withdrawn... We use only 9x18 (p64, p83) and 9x19 (WIST) pistols...

[perdurabo]

7.62 mm wz33 TT


AFAIR the TT was withdrawn... We use only 9x18 (p64, p83) and 9x19 (WIST) pistols...
its still on MON (MoD) site i was sure only about P83 and WIST maybe they still have them in magazines? duno, REMOV will know more about this.

[mack pl]

7.62 mm wz33 TT


AFAIR the TT was withdrawn... We use only 9x18 (p64, p83) and 9x19 (WIST) pistols...
its still on MON (MoD) site i was sure only about P83 and WIST maybe they still have them in magazines? duno, REMOV will know more about this.

dude, in our military magazines you could find even PPS43 ;)

BTW IIRC its kbs Beryl wz.96 ;) :lol:

[perdurabo]

dude, in our military magazines you could find even PPS43 ;)

BTW IIRC its kbs Beryl wz.96 ;) :lol:
prabably MoD has enough guns to give every Pole on earth one piece and few mags for it :lol:
about Beryl maybe :-)

[mack pl]

about Beryl maybe :-)

standard Beryl-kbs-karabin szturmowy

http://hem.passagen.se/dadkri/Beryl.htm

EDIT

I was wrong, THX Remov

[Herrmannek]

Doe sit have a hammer, or is it striker operated?
wist have internal striker, other as you can see have external hammers...

[Javehn]

As I understood , it operates in simular way of the glock , so it lacks the external "hammer" . About the Vist94L , yes , it has integral laser , hence the "L" , for laser .

[perdurabo]

http://www.prexer.com.pl/index_a.html
WIST manufacturer site

[Werewolf01]

Looks to be the best Polish made handgun since the VIS.

[Herrmannek]

we have also "mag 9x" , also not bad gun but full metal with external hamer and safety.. goodies for everyone :)

[mack pl]

we have also "mag 9x" , also not bad gun but full metal with external hamer and safety.. goodies for everyone :)



http://hem.passagen.se/dadkri/Mag-95.htm

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Looks to be the best Polish made handgun since the VIS.

Well I would call it average. The overall design is good, but it has some serious problems with reliability, especially in 'field' conditions...

[Herrmannek]

Looks to be the best Polish made handgun since the VIS.

Well I would call it average. The overall design is good, but it has some serious problems with reliability, especially in 'field' conditions...

AFAIK..there was no evdience of real flaws in WIST only gossips...

[REMOV]

standard Beryl-kbs-karabinek szturmowy
Mini-Beryl-kbkI'm afraid it's not true. Kbs stand for "karabin szturmowy" (literally: assault rifle), and the kbk stands for "karabinek" (literally: carbine).

[REMOV]

Doe sit have a hammer, or is it striker operated?
The trigger mechanism is similar to the one used in Glock pistols: striker-fired double-action-only (DAO). After racking the slide back and after each shot fired the striker is held semi-cocked allowing for lighter trigger pull than conventional double-action.

[Marmot1]

dude, in our military magazines you could find even PPS43 ;)

BTW IIRC its kbs Beryl wz.96 ;) :lol:
prabably MoD has enough guns to give every Pole on earth one piece and few mags for it :lol:
about Beryl maybe :-)

TT is not regular isue of our army... we do not use it any longer howewer there cam be a lot of this stuff in war-time mobilisation magasines... you know canadians still have STEN's Mk IV for that purpose so we do not look odd...

BTW nice logo for this exercise...

[thecheeto]

Man, I had heard your OMON guys were top shelf, but I must say, all the pics i have seen of the Polish troops on this site have looked squared away and good to go! I am glad we have you on our team now.

woot

[Ike]

dude, in our military magazines you could find even PPS43 ;)

BTW IIRC its kbs Beryl wz.96 ;) :lol:
prabably MoD has enough guns to give every Pole on earth one piece and few mags for it :lol:
about Beryl maybe :-)

You canot imagine what our army was pulling out from its cache deposits for national guard (civil defence), during civil war back in 1990. I was expecting catapult and stone stone spears to be introduced one day... Most popular weapon among voulontier untis was pre-WWII Thompson. Oppens quite big holes..

And dont worry about MoD.. they ll hae enough weapon for whole Europe, not just Poles..

Take care,
Ivan.

[tony6]

Man, I had heard your OMON guys were top shelf, but I must say, all the pics i have seen of the Polish troops on this site have looked squared away and good to go! I am glad we have you on our team now.
OMON you say..?
Hmmm...I'm Polish and I have never heard of any OMON unit in our army.
:D

[mack pl]

Man, I had heard your OMON guys were top shelf, but I must say, all the pics i have seen of the Polish troops on this site have looked squared away and good to go! I am glad we have you on our team now.
OMON you say..?
Hmmm...I'm Polish and I have never heard of any OMON unit in our army.
:D

maybe he meant ORMO ;) :lol:

[tony6]

maybe he meant ORMO

..or ZOMO
;)

[Marmot1]

Man, I had heard your OMON guys were top shelf, but I must say, all the pics i have seen of the Polish troops on this site have looked squared away and good to go! I am glad we have you on our team now.
OMON you say..?
Hmmm...I'm Polish and I have never heard of any OMON unit in our army.
:D

maybe he meant ORMO ;) :lol:

He had probably GROM on mind ;-)

[mack pl]

Man, I had heard your OMON guys were top shelf, but I must say, all the pics i have seen of the Polish troops on this site have looked squared away and good to go! I am glad we have you on our team now.
OMON you say..?
Hmmm...I'm Polish and I have never heard of any OMON unit in our army.
:D

maybe he meant ORMO ;) :lol:

He had probably GROM on mind ;-)

no **** :lol:

[perdurabo]

dude, in our military magazines you could find even PPS43 ;)

BTW IIRC its kbs Beryl wz.96 ;) :lol:
prabably MoD has enough guns to give every Pole on earth one piece and few mags for it :lol:
about Beryl maybe :-)

You canot imagine what our army was pulling out from its cache deposits for national guard (civil defence), during civil war back in 1990. I was expecting catapult and stone stone spears to be introduced one day... Most popular weapon among voulontier untis was pre-WWII Thompson. Oppens quite big holes..

And dont worry about MoD.. they ll hae enough weapon for whole Europe, not just Poles..

Take care,
Ivan.
our MoD has still lots of PPS and PPSh also Diegtarievs and other goodies from WWII if it can shoot it is good when your country is in war everything is good.

[RSK]

Cool pics!

Thanks!

[thecheeto]

Man, I had heard your OMON guys were top shelf, but I must say, all the pics i have seen of the Polish troops on this site have looked squared away and good to go! I am glad we have you on our team now.
OMON you say..?
Hmmm...I'm Polish and I have never heard of any OMON unit in our army.
:D

Yea sorry, thats what I get for posting after writing a 20 page paper at nearly 3 am... I did indeed mean GROM. Nice way to come on the boards for me lol. thanks for not rippin on me too much guys...

[Catch22]

We're not that bad after all... are we? :roll: :)
However mistaking OMON for JW2305 (formal name of GROM) was more than funny :D

[tony6]

Another picture from this exercise:

[Herrmannek]

Just tell me one thing... why some uniforms or it parts are made from brown-green camo and some are from green-green one?? or maybe its some lightening issue or maye extended washing.... On pics in the topic i see only green-green version, but hell i'm sure i saw that brown-green shade of camo..

[wholagun]

Just tell me one thing... why some uniforms or it parts are made from brown-green camo and some are from green-green one?? or maybe its some lightening issue or maye extended washing.... On pics in the topic i see only green-green version, but hell i'm sure i saw that brown-green shade of camo..

man i have been wondering that my self my years. If you go back and look at old pics of Polish troops they cammo is even more different.

[Werewolf01]

dude, in our military magazines you could find even PPS43 ;)

BTW IIRC its kbs Beryl wz.96 ;) :lol:
prabably MoD has enough guns to give every Pole on earth one piece and few mags for it :lol:
about Beryl maybe :-)

You canot imagine what our army was pulling out from its cache deposits for national guard (civil defence), during civil war back in 1990. I was expecting catapult and stone stone spears to be introduced one day... Most popular weapon among voulontier untis was pre-WWII Thompson. Oppens quite big holes..

And dont worry about MoD.. they ll hae enough weapon for whole Europe, not just Poles..

Take care,
Ivan.


Well, believe it or not, many US National Guard armories still have BARs, the very original M16s, and in some cases M1s in the arms locker. They don't use them, but they still have them. Many of the US National Guard units only dumped their basically WWII era small arms sometime in the early 1980s. A lot of them still have some of that TOE remaining.

[Onyks]

Just tell me one thing... why some uniforms or it parts are made from brown-green camo and some are from green-green one?? or maybe its some lightening issue or maye extended washing.... On pics in the topic i see only green-green version, but hell i'm sure i saw that brown-green shade of camo..

man i have been wondering that my self my years. If you go back and look at old pics of Polish troops they cammo is even more different.

From what I have noticed I think it may just be lighting issue. Under some lighting, the camo appears brown-green, while under others it does appear green-green. I don't know if this is only because of lighting or because of the colors being different on some uniforms.. :|

[wholagun]

dude, in our military magazines you could find even PPS43 ;)

BTW IIRC its kbs Beryl wz.96 ;) :lol:
prabably MoD has enough guns to give every Pole on earth one piece and few mags for it :lol:
about Beryl maybe :-)

You canot imagine what our army was pulling out from its cache deposits for national guard (civil defence), during civil war back in 1990. I was expecting catapult and stone stone spears to be introduced one day... Most popular weapon among voulontier untis was pre-WWII Thompson. Oppens quite big holes..

And dont worry about MoD.. they ll hae enough weapon for whole Europe, not just Poles..

Take care,
Ivan.


Well, believe it or not, many US National Guard armories still have BARs, the very original M16s, and in some cases M1s in the arms locker. They don't use them, but they still have them. Many of the US National Guard units only dumped their basically WWII era small arms sometime in the early 1980s. A lot of them still have some of that TOE remaining.

You Yanks don't need to store guns, the people do that for you. Most Americas have guns any how. :)

[ckabusk]

Go Poland!