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Uncle Sam
12-04-2004, 01:25 PM
Who's up for the challenge? woot


One Shot, One Kill (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blsniperschool.htm)

According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000.

The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.

According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle. Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).

The sniper has special abilities, training, and equipment. His job is to deliver discriminatory, highly accurate rifle fire against enemy targets that cannot be engaged successfully by the regular rifleman because of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility.

Sniping requires the development of basic infantry skills to a high degree of perfection. A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his survival on the Battlefield.

The art of sniping requires learning and repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered. A sniper must be highly trained in long range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk.

A lot of people have the misconception that to be a good sniper, you have to be a good shooter. Shooting is only 20 percent of the course at the Army Sniper School. It takes a patient person, a disciplined person, a person who is used to working alone.

In addition to marksmanship skills, the school instructs on detecting and stalking a target, and estimating the range of a target. The course also covers concealment and camouflage, as well as observation exercises.

The first U.S. Army Sniper School was initiated in 1955, right after the Korean War cease-fire. The present U.S. Army Sniper School was established at Fort Benning, Georgia, in 1987. The length of the school is 5 weeks. The Army National Guard Sniper School was established in 1993 at Camp Robinson Arkansas.

Prerequisites:

Must be 11B, 11M, 19D or CMF 18.

PFC-SFC (Grade waiverable).

Active duty, or Reserve, or National Guard, must have a good performance record with no history of alcohol, or drug abuse, must be a volunteer and be recommended by his commander.

Must be in excellent physical condition (70 percent or better in each event of the APFT).

Must have a corrected vision of 20/20

Must not have a record of disciplinary action.

Must be knowledgeable of skill level 2 tasks.

Must have a GT score of 100.

Must have qualified expert with the M16A2/M4 Carbine rifle within six months of course attendance.

Normal color vision must be annotated on SF 88, tested within six months of course attendance.

Must have a minimum of one (1) year retainability.

Must pass psychological evaluation (MMPI/CPI) conducted under the direction of a qualified psychologist.

Upon reporting to the U.S. Army Sniper School, Students are required to have the following:

1. Gillie suit complete.

2. 5 copies of all orders and amendments (NG/USAR 10 Copies)

3. Valid ID card and sets of metal ID tags with chain

4. Unit issued meal card (non-wavrable)

5. DA FORM 2-1 6. DA FORM 2A

7. Medical Records

8. Commanders Recommendation

9. DA form 3822-A

10. SF88 11. Rifle Marksmanship score card

SPECIAL INFO: The following items are also required for the USASS:

Large Alice pack w/frame, LBE/LBV complete with ammo pouch (2),
1 Qt. canteen (2)
first aid pouches, poncho w/poncho liner, water proof bag, (2)
cammo stick, calculator, padlocks, (2) (key or Commbo)
Clipboard.

Five (5) sets of BDUs, T-shirt, and black/green socks (1 set will be rendered unserviceable after training), 2 BDU caps, 2 pair of boots (combat or jungle, one pair will be rendered unserviceable after training)

2 Gray PT uniforms complete with running shoes, seasonal military attire (gortex, polypros, Etc), undergarments, toiletries, etc, as needed

2 ear-plugs w/carrier

1 lensetic compass

2 protractors, pens and mechanical pencils and

1 Boonie Hat and a Ghillie suit.

All students report to the USASS, Building 4882, Harmony church no later than 0800 hours on the reporting day (day prior to the class start date). Students arriving prior to 0800 hours on the class reporting date will report to the SDNCO, 2nd Battalion, 29th Infantry Regiment in building 74 on Main post, Fort Benning.

moughoun
12-04-2004, 02:08 PM
Who's up for the challenge? woot


One Shot, One Kill (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blsniperschool.htm)

According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000.

The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.

According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle. Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).

The sniper has special abilities, training, and equipment. His job is to deliver discriminatory, highly accurate rifle fire against enemy targets that cannot be engaged successfully by the regular rifleman because of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility.

Sniping requires the development of basic infantry skills to a high degree of perfection. A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his survival on the Battlefield.

The art of sniping requires learning and repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered. A sniper must be highly trained in long range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk.

A lot of people have the misconception that to be a good sniper, you have to be a good shooter. Shooting is only 20 percent of the course at the Army Sniper School. It takes a patient person, a disciplined person, a person who is used to working alone.

In addition to marksmanship skills, the school instructs on detecting and stalking a target, and estimating the range of a target. The course also covers concealment and camouflage, as well as observation exercises.

The first U.S. Army Sniper School was initiated in 1955, right after the Korean War cease-fire. The present U.S. Army Sniper School was established at Fort Benning, Georgia, in 1987. The length of the school is 5 weeks. The Army National Guard Sniper School was established in 1993 at Camp Robinson Arkansas.

Prerequisites:

Must be 11B, 11M, 19D or CMF 18.

PFC-SFC (Grade waiverable).

Active duty, or Reserve, or National Guard, must have a good performance record with no history of alcohol, or drug abuse, must be a volunteer and be recommended by his commander.

Must be in excellent physical condition (70 percent or better in each event of the APFT).

Must have a corrected vision of 20/20

Must not have a record of disciplinary action.

Must be knowledgeable of skill level 2 tasks.

Must have a GT score of 100.

Must have qualified expert with the M16A2/M4 Carbine rifle within six months of course attendance.

Normal color vision must be annotated on SF 88, tested within six months of course attendance.

Must have a minimum of one (1) year retainability.

Must pass psychological evaluation (MMPI/CPI) conducted under the direction of a qualified psychologist.

Upon reporting to the U.S. Army Sniper School, Students are required to have the following:

1. Gillie suit complete.

2. 5 copies of all orders and amendments (NG/USAR 10 Copies)

3. Valid ID card and sets of metal ID tags with chain

4. Unit issued meal card (non-wavrable)

5. DA FORM 2-1 6. DA FORM 2A

7. Medical Records

8. Commanders Recommendation

9. DA form 3822-A

10. SF88 11. Rifle Marksmanship score card

SPECIAL INFO: The following items are also required for the USASS:

Large Alice pack w/frame, LBE/LBV complete with ammo pouch (2),
1 Qt. canteen (2)
first aid pouches, poncho w/poncho liner, water proof bag, (2)
cammo stick, calculator, padlocks, (2) (key or Commbo)
Clipboard.

Five (5) sets of BDUs, T-shirt, and black/green socks (1 set will be rendered unserviceable after training), 2 BDU caps, 2 pair of boots (combat or jungle, one pair will be rendered unserviceable after training)

2 Gray PT uniforms complete with running shoes, seasonal military attire (gortex, polypros, Etc), undergarments, toiletries, etc, as needed

2 ear-plugs w/carrier

1 lensetic compass

2 protractors, pens and mechanical pencils and

1 Boonie Hat and a Ghillie suit.

All students report to the USASS, Building 4882, Harmony church no later than 0800 hours on the reporting day (day prior to the class start date). Students arriving prior to 0800 hours on the class reporting date will report to the SDNCO, 2nd Battalion, 29th Infantry Regiment in building 74 on Main post, Fort Benning.
already done....next!!! ;)

Uncle Sam
12-04-2004, 07:15 PM
Who's up for the challenge? woot


One Shot, One Kill (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blsniperschool.htm)

According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000.

The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.

According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle. Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).

The sniper has special abilities, training, and equipment. His job is to deliver discriminatory, highly accurate rifle fire against enemy targets that cannot be engaged successfully by the regular rifleman because of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility.

Sniping requires the development of basic infantry skills to a high degree of perfection. A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his survival on the Battlefield.

The art of sniping requires learning and repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered. A sniper must be highly trained in long range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk.

A lot of people have the misconception that to be a good sniper, you have to be a good shooter. Shooting is only 20 percent of the course at the Army Sniper School. It takes a patient person, a disciplined person, a person who is used to working alone.

In addition to marksmanship skills, the school instructs on detecting and stalking a target, and estimating the range of a target. The course also covers concealment and camouflage, as well as observation exercises.

The first U.S. Army Sniper School was initiated in 1955, right after the Korean War cease-fire. The present U.S. Army Sniper School was established at Fort Benning, Georgia, in 1987. The length of the school is 5 weeks. The Army National Guard Sniper School was established in 1993 at Camp Robinson Arkansas.

Prerequisites:

Must be 11B, 11M, 19D or CMF 18.

PFC-SFC (Grade waiverable).

Active duty, or Reserve, or National Guard, must have a good performance record with no history of alcohol, or drug abuse, must be a volunteer and be recommended by his commander.

Must be in excellent physical condition (70 percent or better in each event of the APFT).

Must have a corrected vision of 20/20

Must not have a record of disciplinary action.

Must be knowledgeable of skill level 2 tasks.

Must have a GT score of 100.

Must have qualified expert with the M16A2/M4 Carbine rifle within six months of course attendance.

Normal color vision must be annotated on SF 88, tested within six months of course attendance.

Must have a minimum of one (1) year retainability.

Must pass psychological evaluation (MMPI/CPI) conducted under the direction of a qualified psychologist.

Upon reporting to the U.S. Army Sniper School, Students are required to have the following:

1. Gillie suit complete.

2. 5 copies of all orders and amendments (NG/USAR 10 Copies)

3. Valid ID card and sets of metal ID tags with chain

4. Unit issued meal card (non-wavrable)

5. DA FORM 2-1 6. DA FORM 2A

7. Medical Records

8. Commanders Recommendation

9. DA form 3822-A

10. SF88 11. Rifle Marksmanship score card

SPECIAL INFO: The following items are also required for the USASS:

Large Alice pack w/frame, LBE/LBV complete with ammo pouch (2),
1 Qt. canteen (2)
first aid pouches, poncho w/poncho liner, water proof bag, (2)
cammo stick, calculator, padlocks, (2) (key or Commbo)
Clipboard.

Five (5) sets of BDUs, T-shirt, and black/green socks (1 set will be rendered unserviceable after training), 2 BDU caps, 2 pair of boots (combat or jungle, one pair will be rendered unserviceable after training)

2 Gray PT uniforms complete with running shoes, seasonal military attire (gortex, polypros, Etc), undergarments, toiletries, etc, as needed

2 ear-plugs w/carrier

1 lensetic compass

2 protractors, pens and mechanical pencils and

1 Boonie Hat and a Ghillie suit.

All students report to the USASS, Building 4882, Harmony church no later than 0800 hours on the reporting day (day prior to the class start date). Students arriving prior to 0800 hours on the class reporting date will report to the SDNCO, 2nd Battalion, 29th Infantry Regiment in building 74 on Main post, Fort Benning.
already done....next!!! ;)

Next is WATER PURIFICATION SPECIALIST... :lol:

Hoplite_V
12-04-2004, 08:40 PM
According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000.

The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.

I'm in love with snipers as much as the next guy but this is a flawed number.
Officers in vietnam were pressured to produce "kills on paper" so it wasn't uncommon to report inaccurate enemy KIA.

The total number of reported enemy KIA in vietnam was actually something like 3 times the total population of the country.

This is one of the reasons our current day military tries not to walk down the 'war of attricion' road.

I'm still a fan of snipers and think they are an amazing force multiplier and "thanks" to iraq 2 (for lack of a better word) our military is really starting to treat snipers with the respect that they deserve. I think all infantrymen should be sniper qualified or atleast trained and exposed to it.
Seeing infantry soldiers fail a weapons test involving laying ****e and hitting a target 100 meters away is scarry.

Tributal
12-04-2004, 08:59 PM
I'll be the asshole then - what is this thread doing in the Equipment and Gear section? :bash:

shorty
12-05-2004, 03:11 AM
Who's up for the challenge? woot


One Shot, One Kill (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blsniperschool.htm)

According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000.

The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.

According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle. Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).

The sniper has special abilities, training, and equipment. His job is to deliver discriminatory, highly accurate rifle fire against enemy targets that cannot be engaged successfully by the regular rifleman because of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility.

Sniping requires the development of basic infantry skills to a high degree of perfection. A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his survival on the Battlefield.

The art of sniping requires learning and repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered. A sniper must be highly trained in long range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk.

A lot of people have the misconception that to be a good sniper, you have to be a good shooter. Shooting is only 20 percent of the course at the Army Sniper School. It takes a patient person, a disciplined person, a person who is used to working alone.

In addition to marksmanship skills, the school instructs on detecting and stalking a target, and estimating the range of a target. The course also covers concealment and camouflage, as well as observation exercises.

The first U.S. Army Sniper School was initiated in 1955, right after the Korean War cease-fire. The present U.S. Army Sniper School was established at Fort Benning, Georgia, in 1987. The length of the school is 5 weeks. The Army National Guard Sniper School was established in 1993 at Camp Robinson Arkansas.

Prerequisites:

Must be 11B, 11M, 19D or CMF 18.

PFC-SFC (Grade waiverable).

Active duty, or Reserve, or National Guard, must have a good performance record with no history of alcohol, or drug abuse, must be a volunteer and be recommended by his commander.

Must be in excellent physical condition (70 percent or better in each event of the APFT).

Must have a corrected vision of 20/20

Must not have a record of disciplinary action.

Must be knowledgeable of skill level 2 tasks.

Must have a GT score of 100.

Must have qualified expert with the M16A2/M4 Carbine rifle within six months of course attendance.

Normal color vision must be annotated on SF 88, tested within six months of course attendance.

Must have a minimum of one (1) year retainability.

Must pass psychological evaluation (MMPI/CPI) conducted under the direction of a qualified psychologist.

Upon reporting to the U.S. Army Sniper School, Students are required to have the following:

1. Gillie suit complete.

2. 5 copies of all orders and amendments (NG/USAR 10 Copies)

3. Valid ID card and sets of metal ID tags with chain

4. Unit issued meal card (non-wavrable)

5. DA FORM 2-1 6. DA FORM 2A

7. Medical Records

8. Commanders Recommendation

9. DA form 3822-A

10. SF88 11. Rifle Marksmanship score card

SPECIAL INFO: The following items are also required for the USASS:

Large Alice pack w/frame, LBE/LBV complete with ammo pouch (2),
1 Qt. canteen (2)
first aid pouches, poncho w/poncho liner, water proof bag, (2)
cammo stick, calculator, padlocks, (2) (key or Commbo)
Clipboard.

Five (5) sets of BDUs, T-shirt, and black/green socks (1 set will be rendered unserviceable after training), 2 BDU caps, 2 pair of boots (combat or jungle, one pair will be rendered unserviceable after training)

2 Gray PT uniforms complete with running shoes, seasonal military attire (gortex, polypros, Etc), undergarments, toiletries, etc, as needed

2 ear-plugs w/carrier

1 lensetic compass

2 protractors, pens and mechanical pencils and

1 Boonie Hat and a Ghillie suit.

All students report to the USASS, Building 4882, Harmony church no later than 0800 hours on the reporting day (day prior to the class start date). Students arriving prior to 0800 hours on the class reporting date will report to the SDNCO, 2nd Battalion, 29th Infantry Regiment in building 74 on Main post, Fort Benning.
already done....next!!! ;)

Next is WATER PURIFICATION SPECIALIST... :lol: Well if we ever go into war what are they gonna send us in with? Uh...Water balloons! rofl

Uncle Sam
12-05-2004, 03:31 AM
I'll be the asshole then - what is this thread doing in the Equipment and Gear section? :bash:

is there rally a section for this...mr tributal dumbass

hereas a section for you...the go **** yourself sectiomn!

James
12-05-2004, 05:00 AM
Seeing infantry soldiers fail a weapons test involving laying ****e and hitting a target 100 meters away is scarry.

I don't know how things work now, but in USMC boot camp 11 years ago we shot out to 500m with iron sights. If a recruit didn't qualify, he was rolled back to another platoon. As far as I know, every single person who graduates from USMC boot camp is qualified. I have no idea what the U.S> Army does, though.

Tributal
12-05-2004, 09:42 AM
I'll be the asshole then - what is this thread doing in the Equipment and Gear section? :bash:

is there rally a section for this...mr tributal dumbass

hereas a section for you...the go f*** yourself sectiomn!There REALLY is a section where this would fit better - the GENERAL section.

memphiz
12-06-2004, 12:08 AM
I'll be the asshole then - what is this thread doing in the Equipment and Gear section? :bash:

is there rally a section for this...mr tributal dumbass

hereas a section for you...the go f*** yourself sectiomn!
T3h ownpd

TacoDelRio
12-06-2004, 12:20 AM
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Hooah.

Michael RVR
12-06-2004, 12:31 AM
According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle. Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).


Is it just me, or is that figure pathetic?

*declares himself better than the average american soldier*

p-)

digrar
12-06-2004, 12:46 AM
You're not a average soldier though. You are an Infantryman and should be hitting targets at 300m at least 90% of the time, even if you are a chocko. :P

Duty First.

TacoDelRio
12-06-2004, 02:12 AM
"According to MilitaryPhotos.net, the average posting member hits idiocy on 90% of his posts at 100 meters."

I kid, I kid.

Uncle Sam, is that from 2/29th IN, or is it a bit older before it was over near whatsit called range near the 11M TOW range?

A fun place. Cool to find .50 caliber bullets (not cases) intact in the ground.

Good post.

Uncle Sam
12-06-2004, 11:23 AM
According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle. Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).


Is it just me, or is that figure pathetic?

*declares himself better than the average american soldier*

p-)

It is Pathetic, but you must understand a few things about the U.S. Army...

You have to take in to account what "Average" soldier means.

The "average" soldier to me, are the soldiers who are cooks, supply, pencil pushers, etc.... I can can understand why these troops only hit their targets 10% of the time, because they qualified with their weapons during Boot Camp, and have not touched one since, It's pathetic really.

Now, go to an Infantry (Combat Arms) unit and those numbers will be in the 90% +or- 5. And if you've been in an Infantry (Combat Arms) unit, you know that Range time and live fires are a common occurrance.

The U.S. Army has not learned that all soldiers can become a fighter at the drop of a hat, just like what happened with the 509th. Only now are they making these people go through BRM again to get them up to par, and probably will have to qualify once a year or something close to that.