Photo of FN SCAR-L/SOFCAR-L on Defence Review

[cold0]

Here the link:

http://defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=650

A real ugly-looking weapon...

[American Patriot]

Looking good.

[Hawkeye]

Looks nice :)

[cold0]

Ok... the important is that is the right tool for the Specops operators.

[REMOV]

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/1198/i5wscarl.jpg
5,56 mm SCAR-L(S)

[HoboWithAK]

What's up with this ugly chick fettish.

[Howie Kaluha]

Nice rifle woot

[Initiative]

Will they be for sale on the civilian market?

[ZoneOne]

highly unlikely -- atleast for a couple of years.


just be patient my grasshopper.

or if you still cant wait -- just join SF or the SEALs

[American Patriot]

The photo gives me a chubby.

[FallenAngel]

so, let me get this straight.

this fugly ass rifle is going to become SOCOM standard issue? (yes, I know looks don't have anything to do with 'does it do the job'.)

The Army is charging full speed ahead with the XM8.

The USMC is switching the the M16A4 as standard (with M4s assigned to certain units)

The USAF still uses M16A1s and CAR15s.

The USN will use the M16A2 (??) along with the USCG.

Kinda diverts from that "one rifle for all services" stuff from back in the day. But then again, I guess the picatinny rail system has made all these different rifles "universal" to an extent. (eg, the same sight can be mounted on the M16A4, SCAR and M8 top rail).

[Ratamacue]

Technically, the M14 is still the standard issue rifle for the US Navy.

[MVSpartan117]

so, let me get this straight.

this fugly ass rifle is going to become SOCOM standard issue? (yes, I know looks don't have anything to do with 'does it do the job'.)

The Army is charging full speed ahead with the XM8.

The USMC is switching the the M16A4 as standard (with M4s assigned to certain units)

The USAF still uses M16A1s and CAR15s.

The USN will use the M16A2 (??) along with the USCG.

Kinda diverts from that "one rifle for all services" stuff from back in the day. But then again, I guess the picatinny rail system has made all these different rifles "universal" to an extent. (eg, the same sight can be mounted on the M16A4, SCAR and M8 top rail).

I agree, the branches are all going they're seperate ways here lately. Different Camos, different guns, I don't like it. :|

[Ratamacue]

My X-Wing could take your Starfury any day of the week and twice on Saturday. p-) By the way, what is a Starfury?
Starfuries are human fighters from the series Babylon 5, not Star Wars. ;)

[FallenAngel]

My X-Wing could take your Starfury any day of the week and twice on Saturday. p-) By the way, what is a Starfury?
Starfuries are human fighters from the series Babylon 5, not Star Wars. ;)

thread-jacking in progress....

Starfury:
http://hyperspace.isnnews.net/ea/eafury-a_lg1.jpg

more info: Link (http://www.b5tech.com/earthalliance/earthallianceshipsandvessels/earthfighters/starfury.html)

[FallenAngel]

back to the thread...

anyone know why the XM8 and SCAR have adjustable stocks instead of folding stocks?

[Ratamacue]

back to the thread...

anyone know why the XM8 and SCAR have adjustable stocks instead of folding stocks?
The advantage of the adjustable ones is because they can fit people of different sizes and are easier to use when wearing body armor. Not sure why they don't use an adjustable stock that folds though.

[rob]

back to the thread...

anyone know why the XM8 and SCAR have adjustable stocks instead of folding stocks?
The advantage of the adjustable ones is because they can fit people of different sizes and are easier to use when wearing body armor. Not sure why they don't use an adjustable stock that folds though.

scar has a an adjustable stock which folds. i have also seen a xm8 with a stock that folds and is adjustable as well. looked the same but it had a hing and folded to the left(not to the right like the g36).

but folding stocks arent of great importance imo.

[Michael RVR]

^^ Thats what i was going to say, the stock is both adjustable and foldable, like on the G-36KV prototype we saw a while ago ;)

I think having a folding stock gives you some extra options for what you're doing, and personally if i had the option of a weapon with or without, why not take it ?

:)

[rob]

^^ Thats what i was going to say, the stock is both adjustable and foldable, like on the G-36KV prototype we saw a while ago ;)

I think having a folding stock gives you some extra options for what you're doing, and personally if i had the option of a weapon with or without, why not take it ?

:)

a folding stock wont be as stable as a fixed stock or a telescopic one which does not fold. so if you fighting out side a fixed one would be better. or in cqb if you had to beat someone with it. now if you have to work in or around vehicles a folder is desirable.

[dghost]

the truely sad thing is that this looks better than the XM8...

anywho, folding stocks are crap if you ever have to club someone with your rifle or use it in situations where excessive stress can be placed upon it. you want something sturdier.

[Roaming East]

Ive been deployed with the USAF many times and have been on many more bases and i cant say ive ever come across an M16A1....always used A2's and various GAU's....

[FallenAngel]

Ive been deployed with the USAF many times and have been on many more bases and i cant say ive ever come across an M16A1....always used A2's and various GAU's....

Sorry, that must be my mistake then. There were some pics posted here earlier in the year that showed USAF SF with M16A1s and PJs on exercise with CAR15s.

[Werewolf01]

so, let me get this straight.

this fugly ass rifle is going to become SOCOM standard issue? (yes, I know looks don't have anything to do with 'does it do the job'.)

The Army is charging full speed ahead with the XM8.

The USMC is switching the the M16A4 as standard (with M4s assigned to certain units)

The USAF still uses M16A1s and CAR15s.

The USN will use the M16A2 (??) along with the USCG.

Kinda diverts from that "one rifle for all services" stuff from back in the day. But then again, I guess the picatinny rail system has made all these different rifles "universal" to an extent. (eg, the same sight can be mounted on the M16A4, SCAR and M8 top rail).

I agree, the branches are all going they're seperate ways here lately. Different Camos, different guns, I don't like it. :|

I agree. Next it will be different calibers, etc. etc. The different camos thing is just asking for blue on blue casualties. Personally I find the concept of wearing camo on a ship seriously stupid. I would rather be wearing bright orange in case I ended up in the water. I don't think boarding parties are much of a threat anymore.

[kayaker]

(above)Damn right.

The folding stock is never as stable as its fixed counterpart. When choosing the folding option you're sacrificing accuracy.

[thatguy96]

so, let me get this straight.

this fugly ass rifle is going to become SOCOM standard issue? (yes, I know looks don't have anything to do with 'does it do the job'.)

The Army is charging full speed ahead with the XM8.

The USMC is switching the the M16A4 as standard (with M4s assigned to certain units)

The USAF still uses M16A1s and CAR15s.

The USN will use the M16A2 (??) along with the USCG.

Kinda diverts from that "one rifle for all services" stuff from back in the day. But then again, I guess the picatinny rail system has made all these different rifles "universal" to an extent. (eg, the same sight can be mounted on the M16A4, SCAR and M8 top rail).
Yeah, small arms in the last 4-5 years have really become a mess as far as the US military as a whole is concerned.

In terms of equipment issued between all four services (USAF, USN, US Army, and USCG) and the USMC we have a real mix of things just in terms of rifles, carbines, and ultra-shorts. In terms of equipment still in inventory it gets worse.

US Army: Now add to that M4/A1s, SDM-Rs and M14/M21s (which they're looking to find a replacement for). The XM8 is also making headway, and the M16A2 remains the issue weapon for a number of Guard and Reserve units.

USMC: Now add to that SAM-Rs and DMRs (also looking to be replaced).

USAF: Probably the worst, with M16A1s, A2s, GUU-5Ps, M4E1/E2s, and all sorts of Army hand-me-downs still in inventory (wouldn't be half surprised if someone went and found some GAU-5A/Bs in the back of some AF armory).

USN: I've heard that the USN has fielded M16A2s and A3s, and they have M14s and probably M4s in inventory too. The SEALs are also fielding things like the "Recon Rifle' and CQBR, along with Mk 11 Mod 0s.

USCG: Also fielding the CQBR, the USCG toyed around with the LW50 for a while before dropping it, and I'm sure they still maintain M14s in inventory.

Now as far as SOCOM is concerned, with their new rifle here, they also have Mk 12 Mod 0/1 SPRs, CQBRs, along with the previous fare of stuff.

Its getting to be the same way with machine guns too, with M60s, M60E4s, M249/E1/E3/E4s, Mk 46 Mod 0s, the new Mk 48 Mod 0, and the M240B/Gs appearing depending on the service and unit.

[JTAR7242]

I agree. Next it will be different calibers, etc. etc. The different camos thing is just asking for blue on blue casualties. Personally I find the concept of wearing camo on a ship seriously stupid. I would rather be wearing bright orange in case I ended up in the water. I don't think boarding parties are much of a threat anymore.
As far as different calibers, more power to them. The first branch that paves the way to a better round than the 5.56N (whether it is the oft touted 6.8SPC or something else) will be the pioneer on that route.

As far as different camo goes, I can agree somewhat. However, the only two branches that will be using those new cammies in the field are the UMSC and the Army, so if the Navy and Air Force want "play pretend" uniforms, who really cares? They are just working uniforms anyway. Navy personnel in theater with Marines wear MARPAT or the old style camo, and I can only imagine that forward deployed AF personnel will wear old style or perhaps the ACU.

[FallenAngel]

New question:

will this puppy be mounting the M203 or the AG36?

[D.E. Watters]

New question:

will this puppy be mounting the M203 or the AG36?

Neither. Along with the SCAR samples, companies had to submit an EGLM (Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module) along with a fire control system. The FCS and the EGLM had to have the growth capability to work with future improved 40mm munitions such as programmable airbursting grenades.

So along with the SCAR, FN won with the EGLM/FCS as well.

[DE_Six]

I don't get it. :|

What makes that junk any better than the M-4? Just put all the fancy gizmos (EGLM, optics, etc) on the M-4...

I agree on the overabundance of rifles....Jeez, soon every infantry battalion will have it's own trademark rifle...

[FallenAngel]

great....3 different rifles.....3 different grenade launchers (M16/M203, M8/AG36, SCAR/EGLM).

Typical military efficiency and bureaucracy at work.

[Michael RVR]

New question:

will this puppy be mounting the M203 or the AG36?

Neither. Along with the SCAR samples, companies had to submit an EGLM (Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module) along with a fire control system. The FCS and the EGLM had to have the growth capability to work with future improved 40mm munitions such as programmable airbursting grenades.

So along with the SCAR, FN won with the EGLM/FCS as well.

Has anyone got any info on the EGLM ?

I find it hard to believe a company could successfully design a weapons platform for rounds that haven't been finalised yet.

What you all think ?


As for the different GL issue, i think the US military is large enough so that the logistics effort of supplying different GL's, in different services, is not so much of an issue as long as the ammunition is common.
:)

[supercontra]

I don't get it. :|

What makes that junk any better than the M-4? Just put all the fancy gizmos (EGLM, optics, etc) on the M-4...
It says "Bang" every time you pull the trigger.


I agree on the overabundance of rifles....Jeez, soon every infantry battalion will have it's own trademark rifle...
Agreed

[thatguy96]

New question:

will this puppy be mounting the M203 or the AG36?

Neither. Along with the SCAR samples, companies had to submit an EGLM (Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module) along with a fire control system. The FCS and the EGLM had to have the growth capability to work with future improved 40mm munitions such as programmable airbursting grenades.

So along with the SCAR, FN won with the EGLM/FCS as well.

Has anyone got any info on the EGLM ?

I find it hard to believe a company could successfully design a weapons platform for rounds that haven't been finalised yet.

What you all think ?


As for the different GL issue, i think the US military is large enough so that the logistics effort of supplying different GL's, in different services, is not so much of an issue as long as the ammunition is common.
:)
Most people believed that the EGLM will be the XM320 (aka HK AG-C, a subvariant of the AG36 capable of being mounted on a wider array of weapons, originally designed for the AR-15/M16 family). However, I see that apparently FN won the EGLM trial too. So who knows what it will be.

Any new round would have to comform to tolerances more or less established in my opinion, and so the only issue would be length. Since the EGLM has to be a side-loading weapon, that pretty much means you can adopt an EGLM without things like the new 40x46mm thermobaric round being fully developed.